[00:08] "Sorry, the program "lightdm-example-gtk-greeter" closed unexpectedly" Would this be something to report? I didn't notice any issues, but I dunno [00:09] (Sorry for the incessant buggering) [00:16] it's already reported [00:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/811909 [00:17] Ubuntu bug 811909 in lightdm (Ubuntu Oneiric) "lightdm-example-gtk-greeter crashed with SIGSEGV in _start()" [High,Confirmed] [00:17] keep buggering [00:17] if it helps get these bugs reported, it will help [00:17] * Unit193 is and idiot and needs to remember to search BEFORE asking :facepalms: [00:17] kind of a cryptic name, though [02:31] charlie-tca: Jockey-gtk is supposed to be in the System menu, right? (And on boot?) [02:32] in the system menu as "Additional Drivers [02:32] (Guess it doesn't matter as long as it's installed [02:32] Not on this install [02:32] This is Desktop 32 entire [02:32] moved it [02:33] look in Menu -> Settings -> Additional Drivers, but don't go to settings manager [02:34] I think it was in a different place on the last install :/ I guess I could have been wrong on that too [02:34] yup, where ever the Unity guys decide to move things, we get to dig to find them [02:35] Did you find it? [02:36] Yeah, I just thought it was different on my last install (Same day, different CD) [02:36] might have been [02:36] I guess this just isn't my day for helping myself [02:36] heh, some days are like that [02:39] been there, done that [02:39] I have had days where I had to ask where something so easy as terminal is, every install [02:39] Should I remove OEM since that might have been user error? [02:40] no, leave it there. It shows someone tried to do it, at least [02:41] mr_pouit: we have menu entries Menu -> System -> Xterm and UXterm now in a fresh oneiric install. [03:28] Okay, I am going get some rest tonight now. [03:28] Have fun. [19:52] Did you get my email to the mailing list? [19:53] Graphics software (Was: Replacing GIMP) ? Why subject change? [19:54] Unit193, well, neither rawstudio nor geeqie in not a replacement for Gimp. [19:55] They are meant to do different things at least partly. [19:57] I couldn't find any image viewer in Xubuntu 11.04. And image viewer changed in many releases before. [19:57] Risotto (or something almost close to that) is what it uses [20:00] Unit193, oh, you are correct. I had removed it and did not notice it since xubuntu-desktop meta-package was still installes. [20:00] ^installed. [20:01] It is ristretto [20:02] Risotto is food. [20:02] interesting discussion [20:03] Well, I'm a little hungry [20:03] I would have thought people wouldn't want to remove GIMP [20:04] i think keeping gimp was kinf of a "response" for ubuntu losing it. [20:04] it is a good image editor, but it's true that it might not fit the xubuntu ideology [20:05] on the other hand, we have thunderbird as default mail client and not something else... [20:05] Thunderbird and Firefox are the best for default IMO [20:06] but TB *is* heavy and it's not the best for everybody. same goes for gimp [20:08] If Postler gets an update, it's a simple little client (annoying as it may be) [20:10] i don't know about that. it's not for me. [20:11] Quite true, I'm going to stick with alpine and gmail (And a little thunderbird) [20:12] If xubuntu has image editor by default, why not also video editor? [20:15] jarnos, image editing is far more common than video editing. [20:15] jarnos, if xubuntu has a file manager, why don't have a comic strip collection manager as well? [20:17] knome, you can manage a comic strip collection by a file manager and/or image viewer. [20:17] jarnos, you can edit videos with a image editor (newest photoshop) [20:36] knome, image viewing is more common than image editing. Same goes for audio and video. [20:36] sure. i do think that an os should include an image editor by default. [20:40] knome, what kind of image editor? [20:41] gimp is okay for me [20:52] BTW they use CinePaint to retouch frames of commercial movies. Xubuntu is featured in its old website: http://www.cinepaint.org/more/ [20:53] "featured" well yeah.. :) [20:56] knome, nowdays ubuntu does not feature cinepaint; I mean it is unavailabe in repositories. [20:57] has it ever done it? [20:58] is cinepaint active, is the question i think [20:58] iirc it was a bit less actibe for a while at least [20:58] yes, it was in dapper. [20:58] dapper... [20:59] Maybe it will be back later: http://www.cinepaint.org/more/download.html [20:59] Some activity last year: http://www.cinepaint.org/ [20:59] meh [21:21] As for those who want advanced image, audio and video editors, next Ubuntu Studio may be an attractive choice, and it will use Xfce as well: http://www.techworld.com.au/article/386600/ubuntu_studio_says_no_unity_adopts_xfce/ [21:23] are you trying to advertise other os'es in the xubuntu developer channel? :) [21:23] anyway, why use ubuntu studio, since you can just install the same software in xubuntu... ta-dah! [21:33] Ubuntu Studio project lead is interested in developing working relations with the Xubuntu team: http://dullass.blogspot.com/2011/05/ubuntu-studio-moving-to-xfce.html [21:35] Unit193, for some reason, I have not got the email I sent to the list, or it is just not shown in gmail inbox. [21:48] knome, yes, you can install ubuntustudio-graphics on Xubuntu. That includes Gimp. === _Hyper__ is now known as _Hyper_