[00:08] <Unit193> "Sorry, the program "lightdm-example-gtk-greeter" closed unexpectedly" Would this be something to report? I didn't notice any issues, but I dunno
[00:09] <Unit193> (Sorry for the incessant buggering)
[00:16] <charlie-tca> it's already reported
[00:17] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/811909
[00:17] <charlie-tca> keep buggering
[00:17] <charlie-tca> if it helps get these bugs reported, it will help
[00:17]  * Unit193 is and idiot and needs to remember to search BEFORE asking :facepalms:
[00:17] <charlie-tca> kind of a cryptic name, though
[02:31] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Jockey-gtk is supposed to be in the System menu, right? (And on boot?)
[02:32] <charlie-tca> in the system menu as "Additional Drivers
[02:32] <Unit193> (Guess it doesn't matter as long as it's installed
[02:32] <Unit193> Not on this install
[02:32] <Unit193> This is Desktop 32 entire
[02:32] <charlie-tca> moved it
[02:33] <charlie-tca> look in Menu -> Settings -> Additional Drivers, but don't go to settings manager
[02:34] <Unit193> I think it was in a different place on the last install :/ I guess I could have been wrong on that too
[02:34] <charlie-tca> yup, where ever the Unity guys decide to move things, we get to dig to find them
[02:35] <charlie-tca> Did you find it?
[02:36] <Unit193> Yeah, I just thought it was different on my last install (Same day, different CD)
[02:36] <charlie-tca> might have been
[02:36] <Unit193> I guess this just isn't my day for helping myself
[02:36] <charlie-tca> heh, some days are like that
[02:39] <charlie-tca> been there, done that
[02:39] <charlie-tca> I have had days where I had to ask where something so easy as terminal is, every install
[02:39] <Unit193> Should I remove OEM since that might have been user error?
[02:40] <charlie-tca> no, leave it there. It shows someone tried to do it, at least
[02:41] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: we have menu entries Menu -> System -> Xterm and UXterm now in a fresh oneiric install.
[03:28] <charlie-tca> Okay, I am going get some rest tonight now.
[03:28] <charlie-tca> Have fun.
[19:52] <jarnos> Did you get my email to the mailing list?
[19:53] <Unit193> Graphics software (Was: Replacing GIMP) ? Why subject change?
[19:54] <jarnos> Unit193, well, neither rawstudio nor geeqie in not a replacement for Gimp.
[19:55] <jarnos> They are meant to do different things at least partly.
[19:57] <jarnos> I couldn't find any image viewer in Xubuntu 11.04. And image viewer changed in many releases before.
[19:57] <Unit193> Risotto (or something almost close to that) is what it uses
[20:00] <jarnos> Unit193, oh, you are correct. I had removed it and did not notice it since xubuntu-desktop meta-package was still installes.
[20:00] <jarnos> ^installed.
[20:01] <jarnos> It is ristretto
[20:02] <jarnos> Risotto is food.
[20:02] <knome> interesting discussion
[20:03] <Unit193> Well, I'm a little hungry
[20:03] <Unit193> I would have thought people wouldn't want to remove GIMP
[20:04] <knome> i think keeping gimp was kinf of a "response" for ubuntu losing it.
[20:04] <knome> it is a good image editor, but it's true that it might not fit the xubuntu ideology
[20:05] <knome> on the other hand, we have thunderbird as default mail client and not something else...
[20:05] <Unit193> Thunderbird and Firefox are the best for default IMO
[20:06] <knome> but TB *is* heavy and it's not the best for everybody. same goes for gimp
[20:08] <Unit193> If Postler gets an update, it's a simple little client (annoying as it may be)
[20:10] <knome> i don't know about that. it's not for me.
[20:11] <Unit193> Quite true, I'm going to stick with alpine and gmail (And a little thunderbird)
[20:12] <jarnos> If xubuntu has image editor by default, why not also video editor?
[20:15] <knome> jarnos, image editing is far more common than video editing.
[20:15] <knome> jarnos, if xubuntu has a file manager, why don't have a comic strip collection manager as well?
[20:17] <jarnos> knome, you can manage a comic strip collection by a file manager and/or image viewer.
[20:17] <knome> jarnos, you can edit videos with a image editor (newest photoshop)
[20:36] <jarnos> knome, image viewing is more common than image editing. Same goes for audio and video. 
[20:36] <knome> sure. i do think that an os should include an image editor by default.
[20:40] <jarnos> knome, what kind of image editor?
[20:41] <knome> gimp is okay for me
[20:52] <jarnos> BTW they use CinePaint to retouch frames of commercial movies. Xubuntu is featured in its old website: http://www.cinepaint.org/more/
[20:53] <knome> "featured" well yeah.. :)
[20:56] <jarnos> knome, nowdays ubuntu does not feature cinepaint; I mean it is unavailabe in repositories.
[20:57] <knome> has it ever done it?
[20:58] <knome> is cinepaint active, is the question i think
[20:58] <knome> iirc it was a bit less actibe for a while at least
[20:58] <jarnos> yes, it was in dapper.
[20:58] <knome> dapper...
[20:59] <jarnos> Maybe it will be back later: http://www.cinepaint.org/more/download.html
[20:59] <jarnos> Some activity last year: http://www.cinepaint.org/
[20:59] <knome> meh
[21:21] <jarnos> As for those who want advanced image, audio and video editors, next Ubuntu Studio may be an attractive choice, and it will use Xfce as well: http://www.techworld.com.au/article/386600/ubuntu_studio_says_no_unity_adopts_xfce/
[21:23] <knome> are you trying to advertise other os'es in the xubuntu developer channel? :)
[21:23] <knome> anyway, why use ubuntu studio, since you can just install the same software in xubuntu... ta-dah!
[21:33] <jarnos> Ubuntu Studio project lead is interested in developing working relations with the Xubuntu team: http://dullass.blogspot.com/2011/05/ubuntu-studio-moving-to-xfce.html
[21:35] <jarnos> Unit193, for some reason, I have not got the email I sent to the list, or it is just not shown in gmail inbox.
[21:48] <jarnos> knome, yes, you can install  ubuntustudio-graphics on Xubuntu. That includes Gimp.