[19:43] <kroq-gar78>  hello all.Why is Launchpad building service giving me an error? It talks about ca-certificates-java failing to install (or something like that, don't remember the package name). I'm trying to package my Java game that I made. Here is the link to the buildlog: https://code.launchpad.net/~kroq-gar78/+archive/ppa/+recipebuild/64264
[20:20] <jo-erlend> I've created a PPA on launchpad, and now I'm trying to package and make the software available. I haven't put anything in the PPA yet, and I wanted to add it on my development machine. I used "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:joerlend.schinstad/testing". That gives me the following error: «Error: can't find signing_key_fingerprint at https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~joerlend.schinstad/+archive/testing»
[20:20] <jo-erlend> what have I done wrong?
[20:20] <lifeless> we don't generate and publish the key files until the first upload
[20:21] <jo-erlend> ah, ok.
[20:21] <lifeless> something like 2/3rds of PPAs never get an upload, so this saves putting unused things into the global keyring
[20:21] <jo-erlend> just need to figure out how to package and upload then.
[20:21] <jo-erlend> lifeless, sounds reasonable. Perhaps it should be mentioned in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/InstallingSoftware?
[20:21] <lifeless> perhaps
[20:21] <lifeless> perhaps we should change it, it seems to cause regular confusion
[20:22] <jo-erlend> or perhaps even better, the error message could mention that.
[20:22] <ScottK> wgrant: I was wondering if you could take a look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/teeworlds/0.6.0-2~natty1/+build/2623702 . It's currently depwait on bam (>= 0.4), but it looks to me like that should be available.
[20:23] <lifeless> jo-erlend: thats a reasonable thing to report as a bug
[20:23] <jo-erlend> ok. :)
[20:23] <lifeless> jo-erlend: on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-software-properties
[20:24] <lifeless> bah
[20:24] <lifeless> jo-erlend: on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-software-properties
[20:24] <jo-erlend> that doesn't exist?
[20:24] <lifeless> bah, binary package
[20:24] <lifeless> one sec
[20:25] <lifeless> jo-erlend: on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties
[20:29] <jo-erlend> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/815562
[20:30] <jo-erlend> lifeless, thanks. :)
[20:49] <jo-erlend> I'm working on Quickly Widgets and now I would like to package and upload it to my PPA so I can test that applications that depend on it really does work, etc. I already have python-quickly.widgets installed from universe and I wish my package to replace that. What do I need to consider? Sorry if this is the wrong channel for that question.
[21:15] <lifeless> jo-erlend: #ubuntu-packaging may be better
[21:16] <jo-erlend> thanks. I need to learn this stuff quickly. It's really boring to program without being able to actually see the results. :)
[21:23] <KombuchaKip> For project todo list type functionality, what is the suggested way to use with Launchpad? Just use the bug tracker?
[21:25] <lifeless> KombuchaKip: sure
[21:26] <KombuchaKip> lifeless: Thanks.
[21:26] <KombuchaKip> lifeless: Maybe it would be useful if they added another bug type as "todo" since "wishlist" implies that some things might not be necessary.
[21:28] <lifeless> KombuchaKip: actuallym we want to revamp things quite a bit
[21:28] <KombuchaKip> lifeless: Cool.
[21:28] <lifeless> KombuchaKip: get to a more evidence based model; wishlist doesn't really fit in the same dimension as the others
[21:28] <KombuchaKip> lifeless: Yup
[21:28] <lifeless> and the others are both too granular for some, and not granular enough for others
[21:34] <KombuchaKip> lifeless: Right.
[21:46] <kroq-gar78> KombuchaKip: blueprints?
[21:47] <KombuchaKip> kroq-gar78: Close, but I think it's too much work to create a blueprint every time some functionality not completed yet hasn't been done in a program or some such.
[21:48] <kroq-gar78> KumbuchaKip: or you could just create a TODO file in the master branch
[21:49] <kroq-gar78> and add it to bzr
[21:49] <KombuchaKip> kroq-gar78: Could, but it's not very friendly to non-developers working on the project (e.g. artwork).
[21:50] <kroq-gar78> KombuchaKip: OH! you mean others suggesting ideas. There are really only 3 ways: blueprints, bugs/wishlist bugs, TODO file
[21:50] <kroq-gar78> only ones that I can come up with
[21:52] <KombuchaKip> kroq-gar78: I think the bugs method seems to be the best way at present, but Launchpad really should have a TODO list as well.
[21:52] <kroq-gar78> yeah I agree. I think that's what they were trying to to with blueprints
[21:52] <kroq-gar78> I think they should make a list and THEN have them LINK to blueprints
[21:57] <lifeless> kroq-gar78: what would a separate list feature add?
[21:57] <lifeless> kroq-gar78: I mean: what could you do with it that you couldn't with bugs / blueprints, or why would it be better?
[22:01] <KombuchaKip> lifeless: Well, just as there is an Overview, Code, Bugs, Blueprints, Translations, Answers, there might be a ToDo section as well. Just a simple list of things to do.
[22:01] <KombuchaKip> Is there any way to assign a bug to multiple assignees?
[22:01] <lifeless> https://dev.launchpad.net/IssueTracker
[22:02] <lifeless> we are combining Bugs and Blueprints
[22:02] <lifeless> so those being different tabs today is not a reason for adding a ToDo tab
[22:03] <lifeless> KombuchaKip: a single task can only be assigned to a single person-or-team at a time
[22:04] <KombuchaKip> lifeless: Fair enough.
[23:19] <andreas__> how can I nominate a bug for a specific release of ubuntu? https://bugs.launchpad.net/landscape-client/+bug/813477
[23:19] <andreas__> I'm trying "also affects distribution" but it won't let me say it affects ubuntu
[23:19] <andreas__> it was fixed in oneiric, that's why it is "released", but now I want to add a task for lucid
[23:20] <tumbleweed> ahasenack: normal approach is to ask in #ubuntu-devel. core-devs can nominate main packages
[23:20] <lifeless> ahasenack: only bug supervisors can nominate for prior releases
[23:21] <lifeless> (which suggests we probably want to remove nominations as a misfeature)
[23:21] <micahg> tumbleweed: bug control can nominate, core-dev or PPU can approve
[23:21] <ahasenack> I used to be able to do it
[23:21] <ahasenack> hmm
[23:21] <tumbleweed> micahg: I don't seem to be able to nominate on that one
[23:21] <micahg> tumbleweed: you need to focus on the Ubuntu task
[23:21] <ahasenack> I vaguely remember a message from LP to me about something about to expire
[23:21] <ahasenack> probably my membership in that group
[23:21] <lifeless> ahasenack: it got changed, because it was drowning - approx every user was nominating their pet bug
[23:22] <ahasenack> I can see that happening
[23:22] <tumbleweed> micahg: uh, duh, is there any way to do that without editing the URL?
[23:23] <micahg> the three click solution (if you have the greasemonkey script installed), click on the source name on the task, click fix released bugs, click the bug you want
[23:26] <ahasenack> so is one of you doing it or should I ask in #ubuntu-devel?
[23:38] <DNS777> uhm i need more space in a ppa can some1 help here too? :]
[23:38] <DNS777> please
[23:43] <wgrant> ScottK: Oh dear. It's probably NoAutomatic...
[23:46] <micahg> DNS777: you can file a request on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad