[02:35] <snadge> i got my oneiric box working again.. yay..  by apt-get install unity-2d ;)
[02:35] <snadge> good show old chaps!
[02:36] <snadge> im starting to realise that neither compiz nor metacity is a suitable solution going into the future
[02:36] <snadge> they're old ideas, being bludgeoned into doing new things
[02:37] <snadge> linux desktop needs a way of disabling desktop compositing, when an application grabs the gl context in a window
[02:37] <snadge> similar to how windows does it ;)
[02:37] <snadge> im assuming this and probably a million other things im not aware of, is what has motivated wayland
[03:11] <bjsnider> wayland requires things the proprietary drivers don't have and may never have
[03:11] <bjsnider> so if you use wayland you have to use the most unstable and feature-lacking graphics drivers
[03:12] <rww> meh, radeon's more stable for me than fglrx :P
[03:12] <rww> but in general, indeed.
[03:53] <snadge> my oneiric box is working with unity-2d now.. so im just going to leave it like that
[03:54] <snadge> i think that works better with xbmc anyway.. compiz just gets in the way
[04:55] <Viper550> Okay, just for fun, I threw Oneric in a VM
[05:00] <Viper550> Its looking nice, though the switch to Gnome 3 has crippled thing
[05:00] <Viper550> s
[09:50] <timClicks> i upgraded to oneiric, however the gnome-appearance-properties executable isn't on the system
[09:51] <bazhang> !info gnome-appearance-properties
[09:52] <bazhang> gnome-control-center   <---- in that timClicks
[09:53] <timClicks> bazhang, ty.. the "appearances" menu is missing...
[09:54] <bazhang> capplets-data  <---- timClicks what about that
[09:55] <timClicks> from bash?
[09:57] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install capplets-data
[10:17] <robin0800> bazhang, if i use that command it says its been replaced by gnome control centre
[10:39] <antihero> Argh, Musicbrainz Picard utterly destabilises my system in Oneiric
[10:39] <antihero> I'm not even sure how, even killing the process doesn't help that much
[12:09] <gunni_> I just upgraded to oneiric and now my desktop does not start. When starting in recovery console mounting of root partition fails and gets mounted readonly. When trying to remount it fails with "cannot change data mode on remount" Any Ideas?
[12:16] <jamesbond2> gunni_: are you getting black screen?
[12:18] <Stoken> *klopf klopf*
[12:20] <Stoken> wenn ich mit firefox surfe, kann ich keine anderen Anwendungen daraus öffnen. Da die programmliste nicht angezeigt wird beim surfen
[12:23] <head_victim> !de | Stoken
[12:23] <gunni_> jamesbond2: When booting normal monitor gets black, as it gets switched of at some time. pressing ctrl+Alt+F1 turns it on again, but still stays black. On ctrl+Alt+F7 i get the kubuntu boot splash screen
[12:25] <jamesbond2> there is a bug with mountall https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/mountall/+bug/807306
[12:26] <penguin42> gunni_: When you say the splash screen is on f7 - do you mean the boot splash or do you mean the login (kdm) screen ?
[12:30] <Stoken> hey guys whats going on, iǘe one question?
[12:30] <Stoken> does exist an offtopic ubuntu channel in english, can some one give me add ?
[12:32] <gunni_> penguin42: The boot splash, it does not get to kdm
[12:33] <penguin42> gunni_: OK, then I don't think it's 807306 - that normally gets to kdm and doesn't let you do anything
[12:34] <penguin42> gunni_: Can you go back to what's happening in your recovery console
[12:35] <gunni_> pengui42: Sorry i dont understand your question.
[12:35] <Stoken> iǘe got ubuntu 10.10 on my netbook, if i opened firefox, i can´t use my menulist for opening other apps? can someone helps?
[12:35] <penguin42> gunni_: You said when you try recovery that you get a problem with not mounting your filesystem
[12:36] <penguin42> Stoken: This channel is for discussion of 11.10 only, try #ubuntu for older versions please
[12:37] <Stoken> hmm, okay i know, i understand, i think i update ubuntu, and came back with new and other problems, okay?
[12:37] <penguin42> Stoken: If you have problems in 11.10 please come back - but it's alpha and many things break
[12:38] <Stoken> hmmm thats not good, but i think netbooks are dead technologie, better is tablet for this kind of using, mobile Devices!
[12:39]  * penguin42 likes his netbook
[12:42] <Stoken> ^^
[12:42] <gunni_> penguin42: Yes, it at some point stops saying ... ahh wait, i got into fstab with a live cd, deleted the options data=writeback and discard, and now at least the recovery kernel boots ... i now check and bb in few minutes
[12:43] <Stoken> cu dudes, hava nice day,or night, whatever
[12:46] <gunni_> penguin42: So it still does not boot in normal mode, black screen, but i can ssh into it
[12:46] <penguin42> gunni_: OK, which graphics card?
[12:46] <gunni_> nvidia
[12:47] <gunni_> before upgrade with nvidia-blob
[12:47]  * penguin42 doesn't do nvidia himself - I remember yofel saying something about a clash between nouveu and the nvidia driver
[12:48] <penguin42> any other nvidia users about to help gunni_ ?
[12:49] <gunni_> penguin42: But its a good hint. I see errors in Xorg.log, so i will check that.
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:55] <dr_willis> installing the nvidia driver normally blacklists the nouveu driver i think
[12:56] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, really ?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> I reinstalled the nvidia-current driver from the tty yesterday and there was a list of messages saying the novuveau missing something or other
[12:58] <BluesKaj> was missing something
[13:01] <BluesKaj> I think yofel mentioned thathe blacklisted the nouveau and reinstall,ed the nvidia-current because it has priority ...my nvidia driver isn't installed despite my efforts
[13:02] <BluesKaj> nvidia-current , that is
[13:04] <gunni_> pengui42: You gave a good hint. I now uninstalled nvidia-current removed xorg.conf, and can at least log in again. Now i can go on. Still dont know what was causing the mount problem.
[13:08] <dr_willis> nvidia drives shouldent be affecting mounting of devices at all.
[13:08] <dr_willis> magic? :)
[13:10] <dr_willis> i had issues with older versions of nvidia drivers for an older kernel fighting with the newer versions for a different kernel - yesterday..  still not sure why it did it.
[13:12] <gunni_> dr_willis: No, i think that was a second problem not depending on the other.
[13:21] <gunni_> Does anybody has a hint on getting the nvidia-current to work. After installing nvidia-current oneiric still loads nouvea module, and so nvidia gives errors
[13:41] <root_> exit
[13:44] <yofel> if someone sees the folks with nvidia issues again tell them to file a bug, my bug 811701 is supposedly fixed and I personally don't have any issues here anymore.
[13:47] <root_> yofel , here do I blacklist the nouveau driver ?/etc/modules/somefile ?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> forgot that irssi doesn't auto assign your nick at login
[13:51] <yofel> someone added it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[13:51] <yofel> try that
[13:52] <BluesKaj> yofel , thanks ..will try
[14:20] <BluesKaj> ok , nvidia-current is in full use , including desktop effects . I blacklisted the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau driver...thanks yofel :)
[14:21] <yofel> :D
[14:22] <BluesKaj> wonder why the blacklist is required tho...is there a bug filed on this?
[14:25] <yofel> well, mine was duped, file a new one
[14:27] <BluesKaj> yofel, what about just filing the workaround on the same bug
[14:27] <Daekdroom> I think it's the nvidia-current driver that should blacklist nouveau
[14:28] <Daekdroom> Or Xorg should try to load them in a proper order.
[14:28] <yofel> BluesKaj: mine's *closed*, so no point in doing that
[14:28] <BluesKaj> ok yofel
[14:28] <yofel> Daekdroom: it does, but that for some reason isn't picked up
[14:28] <yofel> (maybe because the blacklist file is a symlink)
[15:33] <David12> Is kernel 3 available in any Ubuntu flavour ?
[15:36] <Ian_Corne> yes
[15:37] <BluesKaj> David12,  this one
[15:38] <BluesKaj> David12, correction 3.0 was released a day or 2 ago , officailly
[15:38] <David12> it comes with alpha 2
[15:38] <David12> it's all good.
[15:40] <_gunni_> The acutal kernel in Ubuntu 11.10 is 3.0-rc7, so its nearly 3.0
[15:43] <David12> which is still 3 so don't be so pedantic
[15:44] <BluesKaj> we always have correction trolls hanging around
[15:44] <David12> uhm
[15:44] <David12> i think we call those the sterotypical linux users
[15:45] <David12> you know much about developing for android under linix ?
[15:45] <David12> linbux*\
[15:45] <David12> fffuuuu
[15:45] <BluesKaj> nope , these guys don't help much , they sit there waiting to jump on some trivial mistake
[15:46] <David12> uhmm
[15:46] <David12> i'm looking to buy a laptop
[15:46] <BluesKaj> I don't mind being corrected for a meaningful mistake
[15:46] <David12> totally baffled on what to buy
[15:47] <BluesKaj> David12, make sure the wifi and graphics are ubuntu friendly , like broadcom and nvidia. stay away fro intel peripheral hardware
[15:48] <David12> It's going to be running Gentoo
[15:48] <BluesKaj> ok, well if you like hair shirts :)
[15:49] <David12> GFX dont concern me much
[15:49] <David12> WIFI does though, needs to be linux friendlu
[15:49] <David12> friendlz
[15:49] <David12> omg.
[15:49] <BluesKaj> this isn't a gentoo support channel..go ask them
[15:50] <David12> who asked for Gentoo support ?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> uhm ..
[16:00] <_gunni_> Hey, i am no "correction troll" .. just wanted to help, as i for example depend on a fix that got into the kernel after 3.0-rc7, but it seems stereotypical for linux users to insult people ...
[16:07] <BluesKaj> _gunni_, don't be insulted , most ppl don't go into that much detail (hence my comment and I've been called worse names myself)) ...anyway 3.0 is officially released so the problem should be fixed by now
[18:56] <vince> im installing some packages from apt-get and from source tgz's
[18:56] <vince> is this dangerous in the long run?
[18:58] <penguin42> vince: Depends what source tgz's - things can get a bit confused if you overwrite bits of the apt packages with stuff you build from source
[19:04] <vince> im trying to do ruby on rails install, and the tut says it would prefer to use a more recent version of ruby
[19:05] <penguin42> vince: Look to see if there is a backport
[19:06] <yofel> as long as you remember what you used from what it's ok, things installed in /usr/local will override stuff installed in /usr - even if /usr/local has an older version than the system
[19:10] <vince> ok im just concerned that the source install wont be recognized by the package manager and maybe things could get ugly
[19:11] <gnomefreak> is anyone else having fglrx issues? not working at all kind of issues
[19:12] <gnomefreak> also looks as if zeitgeist-daemon is still crashing
[19:14] <gnomefreak> if anyone has ideas on ati 3d drivers other than fglrx please let me know
[19:22] <utusan> looks like not all apps are showing up and even search shows none.  I installed clementine and there is a clementine.desktop
[19:22] <utusan> how do you refresh this list? which file is this search looking at?
[19:27] <gnomefreak> anyone see this? http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2011/05/ubuntu-1110-will-provide-post-release.html
[19:30] <gnomefreak> utusan: not sure in unity in gnome2.x you could refresh menus IIRC
[19:30] <gnomefreak> brb smoke and think
[19:31] <utusan> applications I have removed are still showing up so I know it didn't refresh
[19:31] <utusan> gnomefreak, do you which file/folder it looks at?
[19:32] <utusan> *know
[19:34] <coz_> where are we today with nvidia  ?
[19:35] <yofel> WFM, but people still get issues with it it seems
[19:35] <coz_> yofel,  oh ok,, darn,, no unexpected I suppose,, I can wait :)
[19:35] <coz_> sorry
[19:36] <chat4life> yeah having problems wit ubuntu 11.04 so what's up with ubuntu 11.10
[19:36] <coz_> yofel,  thought you were speaking to me
[19:36] <chat4life> with
[19:36] <yofel> coz_: I was actually ^^
[19:36] <coz_> yofel,  ah ok then my statement stands :)
[19:38] <gnomefreak> utusan: no sorry
[19:39] <gnomefreak> yofel: any chance you know where i can get working fglrx drivers? either of the X PPAs have it manybe
[19:39] <coz_> chat4life,  well being alpha 2,, Iw ould expect problems at this point
[19:39] <yofel> gnomefreak: I did hear about the driver discussion around UDS, like this we can at least get bugfixes for the drivers in
[19:40] <gnomefreak> yofel: about the upgradable drivers after release?
[19:40] <yofel> yes
[19:40]  * gnomefreak needs working fglrx drivers now though
[19:40] <yofel> from my general channel observation you're not the only one with fglrx issues
[19:41] <gnomefreak> it looks like fglrx brings in the Radeon drivers. so for 3d fglrx is the only choice
[19:44] <gnomefreak> is it me or does everyone have a blank "startup apps" window?
[19:44] <nit-wit> gnomefreak, it is till you add stuff
[19:45] <nit-wit> gnomefreak, sorry wrong answer.
[19:45] <nit-wit> thought I was on #windows. Doh
[19:48] <gnomefreak> it used to have items in it that you were able to disable/enable but looks like being blanks enables everything and from the window there doesnt see a way to disable an app just add them or edit the command you used
[19:52] <trism> gnomefreak: lp 803917
[19:53] <gnomefreak> trism: thanks
[19:55] <gnomefreak> crap unity crashed now i have no window controls :( i guess ill be back soon
[19:58] <gnomefreak> i lost the reboot option from the shutdown menu
[19:59] <coz_> are we going onto gnome3 this coming release?
[20:01] <gnomefreak> we started trasition in natty
[20:01] <gnomefreak> unity == gnome3
[20:01] <chat4life> hate ubity & gnome 3
[20:01] <gnomefreak> well sort of anyway
[20:01] <chat4life> unity
[20:02] <coz_> gnomefreak,  ah ok
[20:03] <gnomefreak> ok i lost restart option i lost my name in the upper panel and i gained a battery icon that i dont need on a desktop
[20:03] <gnomefreak> simple little things i miss
[20:19] <rww> nice. I booted a Kubuntu daily ISO and the first thing I see is "We are sorry, Kwin closed unexpectedly..."
[20:22]  * gnomefreak cant find greasemonkey in the archives :(
[20:23] <rww> I'd imagine it got removed in the Great Mozilla Plugins Purge
[20:24] <rww> yup, looks like
[20:24] <gnomefreak> hmmmm i should have been emailed about that
[20:24] <rww> happened back in January
[20:24] <gnomefreak> oh  thanks
[20:36] <coz_> apparently on gnome3  ctrl+alt+delete no longer brings up t he shutdown dialog UI  but rather the log off   dialog ui,, any keybinding/ command to bring that up?
[20:51] <gnomefreak> hit it 2x and it will reboot system
[21:10] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:19] <gnomefreak> wth
[21:22] <BUGabundo> hey hey gnomefreak
[21:22] <gnomefreak> hi BUGabundo  ill be back a bit later
[21:47] <jakemp> When I add an external 1920x1200 monitor to my 1600x900 laptop, I get a black bar along the top third of my laptop screen.
[21:47] <jakemp> using HD3000 graphics on a Lenovo T420
[21:54] <dr_willis> seeing a dead zone? of 1920-1600 pixles tall? (320 pixles?)
[21:54] <dr_willis> You could try the monitors tool and see if you can aligh the 2 monitors at the top.
[22:03] <jakemp> They are aligned at the top, I can always see all of the menus and use them
[22:03] <jakemp> I can see the cursor
[22:04] <jakemp> but when i move a window to the black space or the second monitor, It goes behind the black
[22:12] <dr_willis> sounds like a dead zone.. but ive never had it do that befor. I only use Nvidia cards however.
[22:12] <dr_willis> the black zone is on the smaller of the 2 monitors also?
[22:13] <jakemp> yes
[22:14] <dr_willis> if you drag a window to the black space.. does it go behind the black also?
[22:15] <jakemp> yes
[22:15] <jakemp> but the cursor is always visible
[22:16] <dr_willis> sounds like some program/window may be actually 'on top' of the others...
[22:16] <dr_willis> want to try a more radical test? :)
[22:16] <jakemp> might it crash my machine?
[22:17] <dr_willis> install a totally different window manager like 'icewm' and see if it has teh same issue with icewm, or try some other window managers. It may be a driver bug. in which case it should affect them all the same..
[22:17] <trism> jakemp: possibly related to lp 808685 I see the same thing when I change monitors in unity lately, it doesn't affect unity-2d or the various gnome sessions here though
[22:17] <dr_willis> You are running  alpha software.. it can crash at any time. :)
[22:17] <dr_willis> trism:  so it seems to be a Unity specific issue then?
[22:18] <trism> dr_willis: unity or compiz would be my guess
[22:18] <dr_willis> that was the point of my tests. to try to narrow it down to being a unity issue.
[22:21] <jakemp> gonna try a new WM
[22:21] <jakemp> but I moved to the alpha mostly because it was more stable than 11.04 was
[22:22] <dr_willis> i noticed that also.. :) sort of scary
[22:23] <trism> jakemp: lp 810971 seems to have a similar issue too, and more lively discussion
[22:24] <jakemp> Also, clicking on a link/or right clicking->open in browser doesn't work in XChat
[22:27] <jakemp> It works in unity 2D
[22:27] <jakemp> no bar, second screen is fully usable.
[22:33] <dr_willis> Hmm. if i fullscreen firefox here. it goes all white.
[22:33] <jakemp> Okay, back to unity 3D, I had the second monitor plugged in when I logged out and back in, now everything works.
[22:38] <jakemp> dr_willis, I had a similar issue on my old nvidia laptop, but with all of my applications
[22:38] <dr_willis> Just a quick Q. is the default firefox theme like all pale and washed out looking to you? Seems rather Ugly here. I thought im using the defaults..
[22:39] <nit-wit> how about a screenshot
[22:42] <dr_willis> Hmm - when i fullscreen other apps now - they go all white on me also..
[22:42] <dr_willis> screenshot comming up.
[22:42] <dr_willis> !screenshot
[22:43] <dr_willis> http://imagebin.org/164707
[22:47] <nit-wit> I removed the onerirc yesterday I had but I use the silvermel addon most of the time, does look funky.
[22:47] <dr_willis> even the gnome file manager looks weird..
[22:47] <dr_willis> http://imagebin.org/164708
[22:48] <dr_willis> been exploring dark themes for firefox to make it even readable in the menus and stuff. but the web sites evebn look washed out/fonts all grey on white
[23:09] <jakemp> My screenshot doesn't look like the screenshots of lp 810971 or lp 808685 http://imagebin.org/164713
[23:09] <jakemp> should I make a post it on the one that looks closest to mine?