[02:18] <Zetanor> Howdy
[02:18] <Zetanor> So this is my first time running Ubuntu and the computer locks if I start X without a network connection
[02:19] <Zetanor> I'm assuming that it's not a common issue?
[02:21] <stlsaint> Zetanor: start x?? meaning you are booting into command line or.....??
[02:23] <Zetanor> Well when I boot with any kind of WM, if my ethernet cable isn't plugged in, the computer completely locks up
[02:24] <stlsaint> Zetanor: no that is not common, do you have some startup application that requires interenet or something?
[02:25] <Zetanor> It's a clean install. I've tried both Ubuntu and XUbuntu
[02:25] <stlsaint> Zetanor: what are the system specs?
[02:29] <Zetanor> stlsaint: Toshiba laptop with an E-350 cpu, Atheros AR8152 ethernet, Realtek RTL8188CE wlan card, an unidentified "HD Vision" graphics card
[02:30] <stlsaint> Zetanor: does wireless work
[02:32] <Zetanor> stlsaint: Haven't tried, give me a second
[02:52] <Zetanor> Well it works but it still crashes when I disconnect the ethernet cable, no matter what
[02:53] <stlsaint> Zetanor: so when you reboot the computer with the ethernet cable in it works but as soon as you remove the cable the system freezes?
[02:54] <Zetanor> It takes a short while. The disconnection notice appears and the freeze happens a few seconds later
[02:54] <stlsaint> that sounds more like faulty hardware
[02:54] <Zetanor> Could it be driver related?
[02:54] <Zetanor> The computer works perfectly well on Windows and Arch
[02:55] <stlsaint> Zetanor: possibly driver or even kernel, what version of ubuntu are you using?
[02:56] <Zetanor> I've tried 32 and 64 bit Ubuntu, version 11.04
[02:57] <stlsaint> Zetanor: i would suggest giving 10.04 a shot as it is the latest lts, if it still doesnt work than the option to play around with drivers is there but could make things worse
[02:59] <Zetanor> stlsaint: What kind of worse are we talking about?
[03:00] <stlsaint> Zetanor: nothing fatal to the system, just the nic performance could be worse in the installed OS
[03:02] <Zetanor> stlsaint: Well I'm not familiar with Linux drivers at all so I'll do as you suggested and try the latest LTS version
[03:04] <Zetanor> Oh and thanks for your time!
[03:04] <stlsaint> Zetanor: no prob
[05:21] <philipballew> if i have mutiple computers on my network can i be logged into irc in all of them?
[05:22] <holstein> philipballew: nah
[05:23] <holstein> thats got nothing to do with the network though
[05:23] <holstein> you can if you have multiple nicks
[05:23] <holstein> i do that with screen
[05:23] <holstein> irssi in scree
[05:23] <holstein> n
[05:23] <philipballew> well i have philipballew and philipballew_ but people dont want that in the chanel probably
[05:24] <holstein> i can ssh into my server from multiple locations and connect
[05:25] <holstein> the terminal size can be a little odd, but do-able
[05:26] <philipballew> i set up ssh a few weeks ago. the shiz-niz it has become i must say holstein
[05:27] <philipballew> it is the cats meow maybe is a batter thing to say...
[05:27] <holstein> yeah, i started a few commandline only things as learning projects... irssi in screen was one of those.
[05:27] <philipballew> last cli learning project i did was aircrack-ng
[05:28] <philipballew> heard of it?
[05:28] <holstein> i have
[05:28] <holstein> we had a presentation at our LUG... a really good one on cracking WEP
[05:28] <holstein> a white hat kind of thing
[05:29] <philipballew> wep is so innsecure
[05:29] <philipballew> its crazy how easy i could find my password
[05:29] <holstein> i should change my WPA pass more often
[05:30] <philipballew> i need to buy a new router. here its currently the att modem+ router combo
[05:31] <holstein> im trying *not* to buy http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833162033
[05:31] <holstein> i dont need it, but what a great deal
[05:32] <philipballew> i have a few routers with ddwrt but need to get a modem so i can hook them up
[05:32] <philipballew> it looks really powerful
[05:33] <philipballew> i need to get a pouter with a powerful antenna sometime. what kind do you have now?
[05:34] <holstein> an early n linksys
[05:34] <philipballew> mine is still  g
[05:34] <philipballew> haha
[05:34] <holstein> eh, i only use the G anyways
[05:34] <philipballew> why is that?
[05:35] <holstein> its a wrt 150 or 160 n
[05:35] <holstein> i forget...
[05:35] <holstein> philipballew: i dont have any N adapters anywhere
[05:35] <philipballew> i bought a alfa a few months back
[05:35] <holstein> the n helps with the range i find though
[05:36] <philipballew> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-AWUS051NH-802-11a-Wireless-9dBi/dp/B002BFO490 this is my new toy
[05:37] <holstein> interesting
[05:37] <holstein> does the job?
[05:40] <philipballew> yeah, it piicks up wifi for a few hundret feet
[05:40] <philipballew> *hundred
[05:41] <philipballew> then bought this http://www.buy.com/prod/trendnet-12dbi-outdoor-omni-directional-antenna-12-dbi-1-x-n-type/q/loc/101/207552271.html
[05:41] <philipballew> about 6 feet high. it was on sale and used, the one i bought
[05:41] <philipballew> i put it in my car, haha
[05:42] <holstein> lol... stay out of my neighborhood ;)
[05:43] <philipballew> haha, gives me something to do when i live in san diego
[07:04] <steve_____> hello
[07:04] <steve_____> can anyone help guide me in the right direction?
[07:04] <philipballew> steve_____,  go for it
[07:05] <philipballew> i can try
[07:05] <steve_____> I want to change a setting on my desktop - lets say the kickoff application launcher - then I want to make a copy that is distributable  amongst friends and have the setting remain how it was in the new .iso
[07:06] <philipballew> so what you really wanna do is make a iso with your own few custom settings?
[07:07] <steve_____> right! but I don't want any of the previous user settings to remain
[07:07] <steve_____> I am using remastersys
[07:07] <steve_____> I just don't know where to look
[07:08] <steve_____> I feel like there is a script somewhere that has the defaults in it
[07:08] <steve_____> and I just need to change the location of a png in that script
[07:08] <steve_____> but I don't know where
[07:08] <philipballew> Remastersys should do it. what setting are you trying to change?
[07:09] <steve_____> lets say the background and the kick start application icon
[07:09] <steve_____> if I change them normally as a user
[07:09] <steve_____> using the gui's
[07:09] <steve_____> and then choose the "make distributable amongst friends option"     it reverts to defaults
[07:09] <steve_____> the problem is that if I make a full back up, it will include all of my user settings
[07:09] <steve_____> and personal infomration
[07:09] <philipballew> Unit193, you see what this guy is saying? any ideas from your end?
[07:10] <philipballew> can you make a seperete install for this purpose?
[07:10] <steve_____> philipballew: is that at me?
[07:11] <steve_____> philipballew: I know it is possible, i just need to figure out where that default script is (if it exists)
[07:11] <philipballew> no, i was asking someone else for his opinion
[07:12] <steve_____> philipballew: my bad
[07:12] <philipballew> remasterys probably has an irc channel as well
[07:12] <philipballew> lets try here first though
[07:12] <Unit193> philipballew: Eh? How did I get into this? I was just about to go to sleep.
[07:12] <steve_____> philipballew:  lol
[07:12] <philipballew> then go to sleep Unit193 :)
[07:12]  * philipballew needs to find a better sleep scheadule
[07:13] <Unit193> philipballew: Almost sounds like he wants a custom ISO
[07:13] <philipballew> thats what i told him, i just figured you might have more knowlege on this then me.
[07:14] <philipballew> i was gonna give him i link on how to make one
[07:14] <steve_____> hm... I want one using kde :)
[07:15] <philipballew> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/22145/how-to-create-your-own-customized-ubuntu-live-cd/ use this maybe, but for ubuntu
[07:15] <Unit193> That would be Kubuntu (Or build your own)
[07:15] <philipballew> or kubuntu if you want kde
[07:15] <philipballew> www.kubuntu.org
[07:15] <steve_____> kubuntu is actually causing all sorts of problems
[07:15] <steve_____> lol
[07:16] <Omsniffiscent> Having major sound issues both in and out of wine. Mostly on VLC and my videogames through wine. I have no idea where to even start.
[07:16] <philipballew> the wine irc channel Omsniffiscent maybe
[07:16] <philipballew> we can here maybe to
[07:16] <philipballew> steve_____, try 10.04
[07:17] <steve_____> that is what I am trying right now :)
[07:17] <steve_____> I just dled it
[07:17] <steve_____> then deleted gnome
[07:17] <Omsniffiscent> Well as I was saying it's not just wine.
[07:17] <steve_____> and installed kde
[07:17] <philipballew> i would recomend installing kubuntu fresh if it was me
[07:17] <philipballew> Omsniffiscent, what all is it?
[07:18] <Omsniffiscent> system sounds seem to be ok but VLC is just awful. Movie Player's sound is fine, though.
[07:18] <philipballew> bad install of vlc?
[07:19] <Unit193> steve_____: Take a look here too (Not the easy way) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[07:32] <Omsniffiscent> Well it did work at one time.
[07:32] <philipballew> Omsniffiscent, maybe an update
[07:32] <Omsniffiscent> You think I have two separate sound issues? one with VLC and one with wine?
[07:32] <philipballew> makes more sence to me.
[11:44] <kristian-work> hi all
[11:44] <kristian-work> holstein: you use weird methods now and then... ever tried installing anything on Compact Flash?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> hey, does anyone have the new macbook pro 8,2 model
[13:39] <holstein> shadeslayer: i saw one.... didnt get to play with it though
[13:40] <holstein> kristian-work: i have installed only to flash media like USB and SD cards, should be the same idea though
[13:40] <holstein> i can get you talking to someone who has a CF card in a netbook if you need
[13:40] <holstein> CF drive**
[13:49] <kristian-work> holstein: I have about a zillion i/o errors
[13:49] <kristian-work> this is in the adaptor
[13:50] <kristian-work> (as to "make it into" a 2.5 IDE hdd)
[13:54] <holstein> kristian-work: those things go bad
[13:54] <kristian-work> holstein: my plan so far is to test it in a Win box
[13:54] <kristian-work> they
[13:54] <kristian-work> 're new
[13:55] <holstein> if you have several brand new ones acting the same.... otherwise, even a new one could be bad
[13:55] <holstein> i had a blueray drive that i was sure was either bad, or not supported in linux
[13:56] <holstein> turned out to be something with the SATA controller card on my test/repair machine where i was trying it out
[13:59] <kristian-work> holstein: I have two boxen and several adapters... *nothing* works
[14:00] <kristian-work> but, I was being a bit rough with them, due to a misunderstanding of what I should do... I may have wrecked them
[14:40] <shadeslayer> holstein: well ... i still have a couple of issues with mine, like the CD ROM isn't detected in kubuntu
[14:40] <shadeslayer> except for wireless and the CD ROM everything is working
[14:41] <holstein> shadeslayer: i have an older one... maybe 1,2?
[14:41] <holstein> white one, not the macbook pro
[14:41] <holstein> i just gave up on it... it would run decent for about 4 or 5 days, then it would hard lock
[14:41] <holstein> that was ubuntu 10.04
[14:42] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:42] <shadeslayer> i'm on oneiric tho
[14:43] <holstein> i tried something live... maybe 10.10, and that seemed worse as far as hardware support
[14:44] <shadeslayer> yeah, apparently you need to burn a CD as well as a USB drive, and then boot the CD, the cd doesn't boot and falls back to the USB which boots
[14:44] <shadeslayer> funky stuff
[14:45] <holstein> eh... it was a free machine for me, so i bought snow leopard
[14:46] <holstein> it wont come up for me that often
[15:01] <kristian-work> gotta go, see ya
[15:28] <Mike_lb> Hi, I installed Lubuntu and selected the option to encrypt /home. As I understand, my /home is now encrypted with ecryptfs and I read that it encrypts the files but you could still read the filenames. So I booted from a live cd and tried to look at my /home but it's empty, why is it?
[15:31] <nlsthzn> Mike_lb: hey... I never encrypt so I may be wrong but I am assuming due to the fact that the live disc hasn't decrypted the partition is can't really read it (but I may be wrong)
[15:34] <Mike_lb> I'm not sure, but I think ecryptfs doesn't encrypt the partition, just each file
[15:34] <Mike_lb> so theorically you could boot from another distro and see those files encrypted
[15:35] <nlsthzn> ... guess we have to wait for someone more knowledgable ... :)
[15:36] <Sidewinder1> Mike_lb, I've never used encryption but perhaps the "fs" in encryptfs stands for "file system" which might mean the entire filesystem?
[15:36] <Sidewinder1> Just a WAG, on my part. :-)
[15:37] <Mike_lb> I will have to investigate more
[15:38] <Sidewinder1> Mike_lb, You may wish to ask in #ubuntu.
[15:38] <Mike_lb> thanks
[15:39] <Sidewinder1> NP
[18:52] <tester> I need help setting up iptables can you help ?
[18:53] <nlsthzn> bobweaver: the closest I get to that is using ufw :p
[19:59] <bobweaver> thanks nlsthzn
[19:59] <nlsthzn> bobweaver: sorry I wasn't of more help :)
[20:06] <bobweaver> !iptables
[20:06] <ubot2> Ubuntu, like any other Linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'ufw' command - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW | An alternative to ufw is the 'iptables' command - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo | GUI frontends such as Gufw (GNOME) and Guarddog (KDE Lucid and Maverick) also exist.
[20:06] <holstein> bobweaver: what are you trying to accomplish?
[20:06] <holstein> maybe that'll help someone have an idea
[20:14] <stlsaint> oooooo iptables :D
[20:41] <kristian-aalborg> looks like I have to be a Win user in the near future :(
[20:41] <kristian-aalborg> can I run the thing virtually?
[20:41] <kristian-aalborg> not really install it... in a "garden" of sorts?
[20:42] <nlsthzn> kristian-aalborg: virtualbox
[20:42] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: what are you referring to?
[20:42] <kristian-aalborg> http://www.virtualbox.org/attachment/wiki/Screenshots/gnome.png
[20:43] <kristian-aalborg> nlsthzn, yes, that's what I was thinking
[20:43]  * nlsthzn loves Virtualbox
[20:43] <kristian-aalborg> a more proper phrasing would be "will it work, or is it a toy/ developer thing"?
[20:44] <kristian-aalborg> what I will need is MS Office stuff... mainly .docs and perhaps the odd spreadsheet
[20:44] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: yea just run M$ in a vm
[20:44] <kristian-aalborg> and it should really, really, work... not "almost" or "practically" like Google Docs or OOffice
[20:44] <kristian-aalborg> stlsaint, I hope you're right
[20:45] <nlsthzn> when you run a OS in virtualbox it is really running :)
[20:45] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: i have never had a problem with it
[20:45] <kristian-aalborg> cool
[20:45] <kristian-aalborg> stlsaint, using it for the kind of stuff I'm talking about
[20:45] <nlsthzn> the OS thinks it is on a phusical machine
[20:45] <kristian-aalborg> perhaps I could have both XP and Win 7
[20:45] <nlsthzn> *physical
[20:45] <kristian-aalborg> be some kind of OS Messiah
[20:47] <nlsthzn> with my distro hopping I have had a lot of different OS's on my one system at the same time :) (not all ruunning at once, my poor notebook can't handle that)
[20:49] <kristian-aalborg> this is fairly easy to do?
[20:51] <nlsthzn> Very very easy
[20:51] <nlsthzn> kristian-aalborg: everything is wizard driven
[20:51] <bioterror> with virtualbox you're not using real hardware
[20:51] <bioterror> just some generic stuff
[20:51] <nlsthzn> you choose what OS, how many ram to dedicate, how big the virtual harddrive should be... mount the ISO and boot the image... install and use
[20:52] <bioterror> it's not really the same as real computers
[20:54] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: for instance as to what bioterror was saying, you wont have a true video driver in virtualbox
[20:54] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: IE: You wont be running fedra with gnome=shell ;)
[20:57] <kristian-aalborg> that's okay... I only need it for the Office stuff
[20:57] <kristian-aalborg> and Skype, but that's a secret ;)
[20:58] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: you need windows for skype?
[20:58] <nlsthzn> yes you can run gnome shell
[20:58] <nlsthzn> Virtualbox 4.1.x works very well with Gnome-shell and AFAIK also Unity now... but I haven't tried unity...
[20:58] <kristian-aalborg> stlsaint, I was joking (more or less)
[20:59] <kristian-aalborg> I run Fluxbox
[20:59] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: oh sorry yea i was referring to the parallels beta testing when i tried fedora
[20:59] <nlsthzn> np :)
[20:59] <nlsthzn> don't expext to play games on Windows if you use VBox...
[20:59] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: i have not tried vbox yet (though i am downloading it now cause my parallels install expired :| )
[20:59] <nlsthzn> :)
[21:00] <nlsthzn> VBox has become better and better with every release...
[21:00] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: i see
[21:00] <nlsthzn> I always install it... even if I don't plan on using it :)
[21:00] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: i usually do but then i got the parallels beta download, last time i went with vbox was back in the 3.x series lol
[21:02] <nlsthzn> I have found that most Linux distro's now don't even need the Guest addition add-ons to be installed for full screen etc. to work, and mouse integration means you don't need to capture the mouse or keyboard anymore... it is very cool...
[21:04] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: very nice, looks like im back on track with package manager development :D
[21:05] <stlsaint> W00t VBOX!
[21:05] <nlsthzn> It is nice, you like :)
[21:05] <stlsaint> still downloading....20 mins left
[21:09] <nlsthzn> stlsaint: you are getting the latest version from the Virtualbox site correct?
[21:10] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: yes
[21:10] <nlsthzn> ah cool... just making sure... the Ubuntu PPA is always to far behind :)
[21:10] <stlsaint> i never go with vbox from repo
[21:11] <stlsaint> yea especially since im running 10.04 right now
[21:11] <nlsthzn> ouch... yes, that would have been a bad idea :)
[21:33] <kristian-aalborg> stlsaint, Lucid ftw ;)
[21:34] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: yes yes yes
[21:37]  * nlsthzn strokes his natty install... then again in a few hours he is replacing him with a Geeko again :p
[23:04] <earthling_> Anyone use mozplugger?
[23:05] <earthling_> wonder if its lighter and more stable than Adobe acrobat plugin
[23:10] <philipballew> my desktop will not shut off. has anyone ever seen this?
[23:14] <nlsthzn> philipballew: maybe it has decided you haven't done enough work for the day
[23:14] <nlsthzn> philipballew: in terminal type sudo init 0
[23:14] <nlsthzn> that should shut it down... or restart it... can't remember :p
[23:14] <philipballew> whats that gonna do?
[23:15]  * philipballew needs to remember terminal comands better
[23:15]  * nlsthzn also
[23:15] <philipballew> the few times it does shut down, it hangs on the good buy xubuntu screen
[23:15] <nlsthzn> philipballew: so this has happened before
[23:16] <philipballew> yes. its been happening since i installed 10.10 a few days ago
[23:16] <philipballew> 11.04 was freezing on me
[23:16] <nlsthzn> hmm... pretty sure there will be a log that can be checked ... curse me for not having the knowledge required :p
[23:17] <earthling_> #$^%! you don't you have the knowledge required
[23:17] <earthling_> :P
[23:18] <nlsthzn> earthling_: hehe, thanks (I think)
[23:18] <philipballew> nlsthzn, im gonna type sudo reboot and see what i get
[23:18] <nlsthzn> sure... I just always find it looks so much more leet going the init route :D
[23:18] <CLF1> need a hand...my samba4 is broken and I can't repair it any ideas how I can work this out
[23:20] <ray_> How do I cd into a directory that has a space or spaces in it's name?
[23:22] <r4y> Why do I have to login to view the Ubuntu forums?, That stinks, O well.
[23:23] <nlsthzn> r4y: not sure... have you tried putting the directory in " " quotation marks?
[23:23] <earthling_> I guess they want to reduce spam
[23:24] <r4y> I will try that out, but did find this link:
[23:24] <earthling_> search is quicker with login, you don't have to answer questions about corn or ears heh
[23:24] <r4y> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=397977
[23:25] <philipballew> sudo reboot works but clicking reboot does not
[23:25] <philipballew> ... odd
[23:25] <r4y> Thank you that double quotes worked. I see then single quotes is different, as single quotes opens instead
[23:26] <r4y> into the GUI that is
[23:26] <r4y> TY bye.
[23:26] <nlsthzn> cool
[23:27] <nlsthzn> philipballew: maybe give it a day or two just using the CLI to reboot/shutdown... just to reproduce the error...
[23:28] <philipballew> thats what was odd to me. no error was show. i could just look in my xorg logs