[08:12] <bambee> morning
[08:37] <Quintasan> morning
[09:02] <agateau> hey, I just noticed kdevelop fails to start on oneiric if kate is not installed. I guess there is a missing dependency on katepart. Is this a known problem?
[09:11] <jussi> apachelogger: ping!!
[09:48] <yofel> agateau: yes it is, although it seems current katepart isn't quite enough either without kate, haven't debugged it enough yet
[09:48] <agateau> yofel: ok, good to know you are on it
[10:35] <ryanakca> I don't have access to an oneiric box at the moment, would someone be willing to merge/sync bangarang 2.0.1-1 from Debian unstable?
[10:52] <jussi> where is apachelogger!!!? :(
[10:54] <Quintasan> durrrr
[10:55] <Quintasan> cheapest accomodation in Berlin looks promising, but when you convert euros to zloty then you go DURRRRRRRRRR
[11:03] <jussi> Quintasan: awww
[11:03] <Quintasan> When you need money, you don't have, when you don't really need it you have a fuckton of it
[11:05] <nigelb> Quintasan: are you headed to DS?
[11:05] <nigelb> jussi: ^
[11:05] <jussi> no
[11:05] <Quintasan> nigelb: looking at accomodation
[11:05] <Quintasan> derpy prices are derpy
[11:05]  * jussi is not going to any conferences or summits anymore this year
[11:05] <nigelb> jussi: UDS?
[11:05] <jussi> nigelb: no
[11:05] <nigelb> jussi: oh :(
[11:06] <nigelb> jussi: work? family?
[11:06] <jussi> nigelb: I have a heavily pregnant wife ;)
[11:06] <nigelb> jussi: Congrats :)
[11:06] <jussi> nigelb: you are _so_ behind the times
[11:06] <nigelb> jussi: Yeah :(
[11:06] <nigelb> I ended up missing thsi channel on my auto-join list.
[11:07] <nigelb> Besides, we tend to talk when you want to test voice calls :P
[11:07] <jussi> lol
[11:10] <ScottK> Nightrose: Good luck finding someone reasonable to talk to about the Systemsetting thing.
[11:10] <Nightrose> ScottK: heh thx - let's see who pops up...
[12:06] <yofel> agateau: the problem seems to have been that the katepart.desktop file got left in kate, should work once the 4.7 packages are up
[12:06] <agateau> yofel: great, thanks!
[12:10] <ScottK> didrocks: I have a proposal I'd like to discuss with you when you have a moment.
[12:10] <didrocks> ScottK: sure, is in 15 minutes ok?
[12:10] <ScottK> Yes
[13:13] <didrocks> ScottK: sorry for the delay, are you available now?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> so, i have this patch against kstars right now : http://cl.ly/40342U3Y2c3y2Z3R1L2L
[14:49] <shadeslayer> could someone review it ^^
[14:49] <shadeslayer> before i send it off to upstream
[14:58] <Riddell> packaging guide KDE chapter for review https://code.launchpad.net/~jr/ubuntu-packaging-guide/kde/+merge/69097
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: "If they have not check if" -> "If they don't, check if"  ... or something like that
[15:04] <Riddell> done
[15:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: line 84, missing a 'to' at the end
[15:05] <shadeslayer> or rather 'need to be reuploaded'
[15:05] <Riddell> reads ok to me
[15:06] <Riddell> but ok, changed
[15:07] <shadeslayer> really up to your discretion, but looks fine apart from that :D
[15:09] <debfx> Riddell: "dh --with=kde" should be "dh $@ --with=kde"
[15:09] <Riddell> oh aye, fixed
[15:11] <debfx> and my guess is that maybe 1/10 of our patches comply with that patching policy ;)
[15:21] <Riddell> oh I don't think so, if you discount the ones from Debian
[15:28] <ScottK> didrocks: I'm back.
[15:28] <didrocks> ScottK: wb :)
[15:29] <ScottK> didrocks: I'm working on Kubuntu CD size and currently we are shipping gtk2 and gtk3 due to appmenu.  See http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/kubuntu.oneiric/desktop
[15:30] <didrocks> ScottK: argh, indeed… hum, why do you ship appmenu btw?
[15:30] <ScottK> We are shipping appmenu-gkt/3 so that it will just work for gtk apps that users install.
[15:30] <didrocks> right, but you don't ship the indicator by default to strip the menu, isn't it?
[15:30] <ScottK> Actually I think it would be good for Ubuntu desktop to do the same for the Qt appmenu
[15:30] <ScottK> We do for netbooks
[15:31] <didrocks> ah ok, makes sense then
[15:31] <ScottK> What I'd like to do though is have those packages drop their dependency on gtk/gtk3.
[15:31] <didrocks> hum, I think we ship qt appmenu, I never checked, but I did it for sni-qt
[15:31] <ScottK> OK
[15:31] <ScottK> I did this recently for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines-oxygen/
[15:32] <ScottK> The reason why I think it's reasonable is that appmenu won't ever do anything if some other application that uses gtk/gtk3 doesn't get installed and pull it in that way.
[15:32] <ScottK> My goal is to get one or both of gtk2/3 off our CD.
[15:34] <didrocks> ScottK: I think it's reasonable to assume that, we can still put it as suggest, but avoiding having it brough by shibs totally makes sense
[15:34] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:34] <didrocks> let me talk with ken, one sec
[15:34] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:35] <ScottK> didrocks: I just checked and you're right, you do have dbusmenu-qt seeded for ubuntu-desktop.
[15:36] <didrocks> ScottK: but we don't have your issue as we now have Qt by default :-)
[15:36] <ScottK> Right.
[15:37] <ScottK> If you didn't, then I would do the same for dbusmenu-qt.
[15:37] <ScottK> err appmenu-qt
[15:38] <didrocks> ScottK: maybe that can be useful for other flavors? let's imagine xubuntu, if they are interested some day?
[15:38] <ScottK> Good point.
[15:38] <didrocks> ok, ken is ok, I'll do it :)
[15:39] <ScottK> I'll do appmenu-qt. 
[15:39] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:39] <didrocks> excellent, thanks!
[15:50] <didrocks> ok, appmenu-gtk2/3 done, doing the same with dbusmenu now
[15:53] <jussi> sigh... still no apachelogger? :(
[15:55] <shadeslayer> jussi: ssup :)
[15:55] <jussi> shadeslayer: hi, I need an apachelogger!!!
[15:55] <jussi> *grumble*
[15:55]  * shadeslayer fetches his lasso
[16:02] <ScottK> appmenu-qt done.
[16:03] <ScottK> For a moment there I thought shadeslayer said he was going to fetch a mango lassi.
[16:03] <shadeslayer> unfourtunately the season of mangoes is long gone :(
[16:06] <didrocks> peaches are nice though, and it's the season! :-)
[16:30] <muntiKubu> noticed the back button is gone in kmenu>applications?
[16:30] <muntiKubu> is this a feature?
[16:31] <muntiKubu> for 4.7?
[16:33] <yofel> feature afaik
[16:34] <muntiKubu> it's bad for me if you are just browsing. 
[16:34] <yofel> there's a dolphin like navigation bar at the top now
[16:34] <yofel> you can go back there
[16:35] <muntiKubu> oh.. didn't see that.. thanks
[16:35] <jussi> <3 lancelot ;)
[16:35] <yofel> <3 krunner ;)
[16:37] <muntiKubu> kinda small fonts and looks greyed out to me :(
[16:37] <yofel> grey here too, but I'm using product as plasma theme which is dark
[16:37] <yofel> *produkt
[16:37] <muntiKubu> been used to that 'rev-arrow' on the left sidebar..hehe
[16:38] <apachelogger> jussi: oggy oggy oggy
[16:38] <yofel> I only know it since someone else mentioned it. I don't use kickoff enough ^^
[16:40] <muntiKubu> am I missing something nice other than kmenu?
[16:42] <muntiKubu> is there 'kubuntu exclusive' launcher to set it apart from other kde-distro?
[16:43] <apachelogger> sure, ours is not broken by patches :P
[16:43] <yofel> heh, there's the kubuntu logo in kickoff, but that should be all
[16:44] <debfx> we also have kubuntu_19_always_show_kickoff_subtext.diff and kubuntu_93_fix_username_icon_alignment.diff
[16:51] <apachelogger> debfx: latter actually is a fix, which reminds me
[16:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: why is that not upstreamed exactly?
[16:51] <apachelogger> I know you had a review request for it at some point
[16:52] <yofel> apachelogger: was looking - the review got forgotten https://svn.reviewboard.kde.org/r/870/
[16:52] <shadeslayer> ugh svn
[16:53] <yofel> shadeslayer: that's 2 years old 
[16:56] <apachelogger> arent we supposed to do patch reviews :P
[17:02] <yofel> talking about misalignment, the search bar is totally misaligned here (looks so at least) http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/koff.png
[17:03] <apachelogger> must be a sizepolicy issue
[17:52] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: ping
[17:52] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: consider I could create a constant stream of QImages - how difficult would it be to create a video out of it?
[17:56] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: qpainter.drawImage(qimg)
[17:56] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: why qimage though?
[17:57] <mgraesslin> because I have no idea about multimedia :-P
[17:57] <mgraesslin> what I can get is a GL Texture and I want to get a video out of it
[17:57] <apachelogger> gltexture owns qimage any time
[17:58] <mgraesslin> and how do I convert a stream of textures into a video?
[17:58] <apachelogger> the thing is, particularly with qtquick2 and the qt scene graph one would want a gltexture rather than a qimage
[17:58] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: as in encoding to file?
[17:58] <mgraesslin> yes
[17:59] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: depends on the library you use for encoding
[17:59] <mgraesslin> ok, what options do I have there?
[18:00] <apachelogger> gstreamer and ffmpeg would be the most obvious choices
[18:00] <mgraesslin> and I can feed them a GL texture?
[18:00] <apachelogger> no idea how you'd do that with ffmpeg but with gst you'd have to implement a pipeline source, to feed the texture into the pipeline
[18:01] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: gstreamer you can, it will try to negotiate a pipeline which can use your input data most efficiently
[18:02] <mgraesslin> ok, consider I will present you a stub at desktop summit, will you do the multimedia parts to get a screencast effect in kwin?
[18:03] <apachelogger> guess so
[18:03] <apachelogger> that said, phonon might take care of the encoding as we have encoding functionality on the todo
[18:03] <apachelogger> should be sufficient for what is necessary for screencasts
[18:07] <mgraesslin> ok, got to go
[18:26]  * afiestas just applied to UDS orlando, hope to see you there :)
[18:27] <afiestas> if not, I will have to follow via irc/streaming :p
[18:28] <yofel> hm, when's the deadline for applying?
[18:29] <nigelb> yofel: aug 15th I think
[18:29]  * nigelb hasn't decided whether to apply or not yet.
[18:33] <yofel> hm, August 24th, at least some time left...
[19:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[20:13] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Y U NO PONG?
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: for always show subtext at least, aseigo unilaterally rejected it even though it had seele's backing.
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> probably some old mail thread on plasma-devel about that
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> both patches are seele-approved-but-not-upstreamed-due-to-philosophical-issues, I think
[21:13] <JontheEchidna> well, maybe just nitpickiness on the alignment one
[21:21]  * ScottK wonders what posseses Google+ to think Miguel de Icaza and I should be sharing with each other?
[21:30] <nigelb> ScottK: lol
[22:52] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, I'm still alive. :P
[22:53] <negaduck> Not for long... Duck
[22:53] <negaduck> Lets Get Dangerous
[22:53] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[22:55] <DarkwingDuck> The worse part of being unemployed is having to decide what bills to pay and what ones to default on.
[23:02] <negaduck> hi bigbrovar
[23:02] <negaduck> DarkwingDuck: can you control the bills?
[23:02] <bigbrovar> negaduck: hi
[23:03] <DarkwingDuck> I don't have money to pay for all of them each month.
[23:03] <DarkwingDuck> So, my 3 kids come first.
[23:09] <negaduck> Well those are properly earned bills :)
[23:10] <negaduck> Just saying some things that may be nice stuff like Television diversity could be dispensed with ?