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| didrocks | good morning | 05:19 |
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| RAOF | Hey didrocks. Good morning! | 05:20 |
| didrocks | hey RAOF! | 05:22 |
| RAOF | My internal clock's all off. pitti hasn't clocked on, so I don't know what time it is! | 05:22 |
| didrocks | heh :-) | 05:26 |
| jbicha | howdy | 05:29 |
| jbicha | I got my first patch into Gnome today so I'm happy | 05:29 |
| didrocks | jbicha: nice! | 05:30 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: afaicr pitti is off for 2 weeks, as evident by him not actually being on IRC. :) | 05:50 |
| RAOF | Yeah, I know. | 05:50 |
| bschaefer | didrocks: Good morning for you, I am pretty sure this new patch is done. I just need to add some more test and do some more | 05:50 |
| RAOF | But his lack is all messing up my regular schedule :) | 05:50 |
| didrocks | bschaefer: excellent news! do you have any interaction with the debian maintainer? as he's upstream, I think he should be the contact point, and then, we "just" sync :) | 05:51 |
| TheMuso | awwwww | 05:51 |
| jbicha | I've got this ready for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/transmission/transmission-2.33/+merge/68936 | 05:52 |
| bschaefer | didrocks: Yup, I am pretty sure I handled everything he wanted changed | 05:52 |
| bschaefer | didrocks: So just some more testing and then everything should sync up haha | 05:52 |
| didrocks | bschaefer: excellent, tell me when he takes the patch upstream, then, I'll just sync ubuntu to his version | 05:52 |
| didrocks | :-) | 05:52 |
| bschaefer | didrocks: Alright! | 05:52 |
| didrocks | bschaefer: thanks again for your tremendous work there! | 05:52 |
| bschaefer | didrocks: No problem is was very fun acutally doing applied Formal Language instead of pure theory haha | 05:53 |
| didrocks | heh, I don't know enough about xapian to qualify hacking on it is "fun" or not :) | 05:54 |
| bschaefer | haha, yeah some of the code was pretty rough to read. That's why I just wanted to Lexer to handle the CJK | 05:55 |
| bschaefer | but he wanted the parser too so I had to read up on the lemon parser generator then it was pretty easy to insert code | 05:55 |
| didrocks | hum, about this parser generator… It's like if you were talking chinese to me | 05:57 |
| didrocks | which is totally in the context though :-) | 05:57 |
| bschaefer | Haha yeah. I wish I knew at lease the semantics to any of the CJK languages | 05:58 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 06:45 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson! | 06:46 |
| didrocks | how was your week-end? | 06:46 |
| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks. yeah, it was good thanks. how about you? | 06:47 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: was too short, but fine :-) | 06:47 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i know that feeling :) | 06:47 |
| didrocks | heh! | 06:47 |
| didrocks | thunderbird wanted to give me a day off | 06:47 |
| didrocks | I started it, and again, no treeview on the left | 06:48 |
| didrocks | restarting it hasn't done anything | 06:48 |
| chrisccoulson | same error as before? | 06:48 |
| didrocks | i had to reboot my session (no upgrade nothing) | 06:48 |
| didrocks | yeah | 06:48 |
| didrocks | and then, it was ok | 06:48 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm :/ | 06:48 |
| didrocks | seems quite fragile, I haven't done any update since Friday | 06:48 |
| chrisccoulson | no extension upgrades or installs? | 06:49 |
| didrocks | now it's ok, but not that nice for users if they start and "where are my emails" :p | 06:49 |
| didrocks | nothing at all, I generally boot, and then, do my upgrade | 06:49 |
| didrocks | (after finishing the "morning backlog reading" | 06:49 |
| didrocks | )* | 06:49 |
| didrocks | do you think that those kinds of errors are only triggered by large mailbox? | 06:50 |
| chrisccoulson | i wouldn't have thought so | 06:50 |
| chrisccoulson | it's going to be a fun week :) | 06:50 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: why? :-) | 06:51 |
| chrisccoulson | trying to figure out what's going on ;) | 06:51 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: oh, you meant s/week/cycle-from-now-and-for-ever-debugging-thunderbird-issues then? :) | 06:52 |
| desrt | good morning, world | 07:08 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning desrt | 07:08 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, tkamppeter had the same issue as you on friday btw | 07:08 |
| chrisccoulson | this one is going to cause me to lose some sleep ;) | 07:08 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: you mean, I'm not the only poor sool? | 07:09 |
| didrocks | :) | 07:09 |
| didrocks | soul* | 07:09 |
| didrocks | hey desrt | 07:09 |
| desrt | word up | 07:10 |
| desrt | dbarth: g'morn | 07:10 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: oh, you will take my long nights on evolution, but that's only because you wanted it! :) | 07:18 |
| Sweetshark | Morning, all! | 07:18 |
| dbarth | desrt: hi Ryan | 07:22 |
| desrt | Sweetshark: hihi | 07:32 |
| didrocks | hey Sweetshark! | 07:39 |
| desrt | seb128: trying to fix the eventfd mess properly today | 08:12 |
| seb128 | hey desrt | 08:13 |
| seb128 | desrt, ok | 08:13 |
| desrt | i'm writing a clean and easily-unit-testable abstraction for "give me something that i can use to wake up a poll in another thread" | 08:13 |
| desrt | with unix pipe, eventfd and windows semaphore implementation | 08:13 |
| desrt | will help avoid the #ifdef ratsnest in gmainloop and gcancellable | 08:13 |
| * desrt is at the write-the-tests part | 08:14 | |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, hey | 08:26 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, how are you? | 08:27 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, do you want the unity greeter to be default for alpha3? | 08:27 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128 | 08:37 |
| seb128 | hello chrisccoulson | 08:37 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, how are you? | 08:38 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, how are you? | 08:38 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I was just looking at your bluez bug | 08:38 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm good thanks | 08:38 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks | 08:38 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, i was going to just upload bluez, but i can't upload it ;) | 08:38 |
| seb128 | now in the desktop set? | 08:38 |
| seb128 | not | 08:38 |
| chrisccoulson | it's not | 08:38 |
| seb128 | it's weird, we had a diff not building that part because it was moved to udev | 08:38 |
| chrisccoulson | this bluetooth problem has been bugging me for weeks | 08:38 |
| seb128 | it got moved back to bluez now? | 08:39 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, it's been deleted entirely from udev | 08:39 |
| seb128 | ok, fair enough | 08:39 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I can sponsor it for you but could you email cjwatson about getting it added to the desktop set? | 08:39 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, can do. do you think it's appropriate for the desktop set? | 08:40 |
| seb128 | yes | 08:40 |
| seb128 | in practice nobody out of desktop worked on it for years | 08:40 |
| chrisccoulson | it seems what i really need to do is complete my application for core-dev ;) | 08:40 |
| seb128 | so if we do the actual work we can as well have the actual rights to do it | 08:40 |
| seb128 | that as well | 08:40 |
| seb128 | RAOF, hey | 08:45 |
| RAOF | seb128: Ho! | 08:45 |
| seb128 | RAOF, how are you? | 08:45 |
| Kaleo | desrt: hi hi | 08:45 |
| RAOF | seb128: A bit cold. Apart from that, pretty good :) | 08:45 |
| seb128 | great | 08:45 |
| seb128 | RAOF, I was wondering if you had a practical issue with the gnome-keyring SRU out of the fact that it modifies a session component | 08:46 |
| Kaleo | desrt: it seems we have some issues with change notifications of dconf properties using dconf-qt from QML on Oneiric | 08:46 |
| seb128 | RAOF, seems your "doesn't apply for a SRU" make some users not happy ;-) | 08:46 |
| RAOF | seb128: Mostly that it's a borderline SRU - it didn't seem to have a sufficiently high reward:risk ratio. | 08:46 |
| RAOF | ie: It seemed to be annoying on boot, but not after that, and not that annoying. | 08:47 |
| seb128 | RAOF, some people have to enter their password 5 times on login and disagree with you | 08:47 |
| RAOF | They'd be even less happy if the upload broke the cryptography, or caused the keyring to not work at all, or… | 08:48 |
| RAOF | That patch looked pretty safe and sane, though. | 08:49 |
| seb128 | right, that was going to be my point | 08:49 |
| seb128 | the patch is shipped in GNOME3, oneiric and we have proposed | 08:49 |
| seb128 | we can let it a few weeks in proposed if we can solid testing | 08:49 |
| RAOF | As I said, it looked borderline to me. I'm prepared to be convinced that there's a higher reward than I estimated. | 08:49 |
| seb128 | well I know it's one of the first things pgoodall talked to me about at UDS about natty | 08:50 |
| desrt | Kaleo: which types of properties? | 08:50 |
| seb128 | RAOF, seems it's a pretty annoying bugs for lot of people and a bit of a show stopper to "sell" Ubuntu | 08:51 |
| seb128 | RAOF, it still is mostly cosmetic but having to enter your password 5 times seems to bother users who want to enter it 0 times a lot ;-) | 08:52 |
| RAOF | :) | 08:52 |
| seb128 | RAOF, well I just wanted to made a point for it, I will not push further or force any decision ;-) | 08:52 |
| RAOF | They're always going to have to enter their password at least once, which kinda makes autologin something we shouldn't actually allow. It does suck, though. | 08:57 |
| Kaleo | desrt: right now I am struggling with a string | 08:57 |
| Kaleo | desrt: it works fine on Natty though | 08:57 |
| seb128 | RAOF, right, or we should call it unsecure and set an empty keyring password as well | 08:58 |
| desrt | Kaleo: very odd.... | 08:58 |
| desrt | Kaleo: a backtrace could be helpful | 08:58 |
| RAOF | seb128: That would also work. | 08:58 |
| Kaleo | desrt: yeah | 08:58 |
| Kaleo | desrt: right now my Oneiric machine died | 08:58 |
| Kaleo | desrt: though it's trivial to reproduce | 08:59 |
| Kaleo | desrt: http://pastebin.com/qbUrFyRv | 08:59 |
| RAOF | seb128: I'll think it over again. | 08:59 |
| desrt | Kaleo: i do not presently have the means to run that | 09:00 |
| desrt | Kaleo: please get me a backtrace when you can | 09:00 |
| Kaleo | desrt: it's going to be hard for you to fix if you cannot run it :) | 09:00 |
| seb128 | RAOF, thanks, no hurry to decide on it don't worry, I will comment on the bug to say that the issue is mostly cosmetic and the patch on a key session components so something that's not trivial to change in a stable update | 09:00 |
| desrt | Kaleo: i was hoping you would fix it :) | 09:00 |
| bschaefer | \msg njpatel, Hello and good morning for you. | 09:02 |
| njpatel | bschaefer, hey hey | 09:02 |
| bschaefer | haha opps | 09:02 |
| bschaefer | njpatel I had a quick question about a Makefile.mk in Xapian | 09:02 |
| bschaefer | njpatel: Olly wanted me to add the cjk-tokenizer.h in there but I see two places to put it | 09:03 |
| njpatel | bschaefer, will have to see the file, one sec | 09:04 |
| bschaefer | yeah I was pulling it up haha | 09:04 |
| njpatel | bschaefer, which directory in xapian? | 09:05 |
| bschaefer | xapian-core/queryparser | 09:05 |
| njpatel | bschaefer, is the header needed by users of xapian or only internally? | 09:06 |
| bschaefer | only internal | 09:06 |
| bschaefer | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/xapian/cjk-support-patch/view/head:/xapian-core/queryparser/Makefile.mk | 09:06 |
| bschaefer | I put it in the noinst_HEADERS but I saw Mikkel put a header file in the lib_src section also | 09:07 |
| njpatel | bschaefer, I think noinst_HEADERS is fine | 09:07 |
| bschaefer | njpatel: alright, I also finish merging the CJK tokenizer into the CFG/Parser sooo hopefully he will like it haha | 09:08 |
| njpatel | bschaefer, excellent | 09:09 |
| bschaefer | just trying to get the finishing touches on it to make another patch haha | 09:09 |
| didrocks | desrt: I'm sure you are really eager to add that to dconf-qt http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/02_link_again_dconf_dbus.patch :) | 09:12 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, hi | 09:12 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, just for info pitti is on holidays for 2 weeks | 09:13 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, so better to ask review from ubuntu-desktop as well rather than blocking on him | 09:13 |
| desrt | didrocks: i've already been carrying that patch for a white | 09:15 |
| desrt | it's been on master for at least 20 seconds now | 09:15 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Hi Sebastien, thanks for letting me know; suspected that when I noticed he isn't logged in here. | 09:15 |
| desrt | maybe more like 1 minute now that i think again :) | 09:16 |
| didrocks | desrt: waow, time goes so fast! :) | 09:16 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Thought I'd ask you for help later today, since my latest idea involves multiple packages. Hope that's ok. | 09:17 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, sure, seems another things worth an email to the ubuntu-desktop list | 09:18 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, rodrigo works on the control center upstream and has been working on the region code so he would be good to talk to | 09:19 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, today is an holiday is spain though, he will be back tomorrow | 09:19 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Yeah, I had planned to talk to Rodrigo as well. Possibly a mail list topic, not sure yet... | 09:20 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks, btw new zg in debian, do you want to take the .1 update and reverse the raptor build-depends to the old version while you are at it? | 09:22 |
| didrocks | seb128: I commented on the sync request RainCT commented on and assigned it to doko | 09:22 |
| didrocks | opened* | 09:23 |
| seb128 | hum, ok | 09:23 |
| seb128 | I would just reverse the build-depends in a -1~oneiric and tell doko to sync once he fixes the raptor issue | 09:23 |
| seb128 | but your call | 09:24 |
| seb128 | i.e I would fix zg now and block the sync on doko rather than blocking the fix on doko | 09:24 |
| didrocks | seb128: can do as well, for sure | 09:24 |
| seb128 | well your call | 09:24 |
| seb128 | depends how much the breakage annoys the zg guys | 09:25 |
| seb128 | it might take a bit before doko has time for that | 09:25 |
| seb128 | especially if he's to debconf | 09:25 |
| didrocks | yeah, let's do that | 09:31 |
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| didrocks | seb128: happy patch pilot day! :-) | 09:41 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks ;-) | 09:41 |
| seb128 | mvo__, hey | 09:42 |
| seb128 | mvo__, I'm having software-properties issues ;-) | 09:43 |
| seb128 | Traceback (most recent call last): | 09:44 |
| seb128 | File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/softwareproperties/gtk/SoftwarePropertiesGtk.py", line 641, in on_isv_source_toggled | 09:44 |
| seb128 | self.backend.ToggleSourceUse(str(source_entry)) | 09:44 |
| seb128 | File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/dbus/proxies.py", line 143, in __call__ | 09:44 |
| seb128 | **keywords) | 09:44 |
| seb128 | File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/dbus/connection.py", line 630, in call_blocking | 09:44 |
| seb128 | message, timeout) | 09:44 |
| seb128 | dbus.exceptions.DBusException: com.ubuntu.SoftwareProperties.PermissionDeniedByPolicy: com.ubuntu.softwareproperties.applychanges | 09:44 |
| seb128 | mvo__, when tried to toggle a ppa in "other softwares" tab | 09:44 |
| mvo__ | seb128: ok, I check it. but you did do a successful auth? | 09:45 |
| seb128 | mvo__, it didn't ask me to auth | 09:45 |
| mvo__ | seb128: is the policykit agent running? | 09:46 |
| seb128 | mvo__, hum, seems not | 09:46 |
| jibel | is there a way to disable the message indicator for thunderbird ? It is the same than xchat and I miss most of the pings on irc. | 09:46 |
| seb128 | mvo__, ok, that's it, sorry for the noise | 09:47 |
| seb128 | mvo: works great once it's running ;-) | 09:50 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yeah, been working like crazy trying to get everything finished, two weekends in a row :) | 09:58 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, so yes, I'm just packaging the new version now - are you guys ok supporting it? | 09:59 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok | 09:59 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, yeah, supporting broken upstream code drop is our job :p | 09:59 |
| mvo | <mvo> hrm, network is really unstable today | 09:59 |
| mvo | seb128: did you get my last question about the agent? | 09:59 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, I really wanted to get it released last week, but the usual software issues crept up on me | 09:59 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, but yeah don't worry about eventual issues we will deal with those | 09:59 |
| robert_ancell | brb, just checking the package works | 10:00 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, is there anything we can do to help you get the new version out? | 10:00 |
| seb128 | mvo, it was not running indeed, works once it's started | 10:00 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, I'll tell you in one minute :) | 10:00 |
| mvo | seb128: can we fix this please, like with a auto-restart flag in the desktop file ;) | 10:00 |
| seb128 | mvo, there is one, I'm just on partial update with a gnome which knows about Unity as a desktop value and with a .desktop which has OnlyShowIn=GNOME | 10:01 |
| seb128 | i.e stupid issue on my side | 10:02 |
| seb128 | need to get the update which added Unity to the OnlyShowIn | 10:02 |
| mvo | eh, so … it used to be possible to use try: except: with pygtk, if I try "try: Gio.Settings("something") except: something" my app does not catch any exception but instead runs into a GLib-GIO-ERROR. what is the way to do it in the new-world-order? | 10:02 |
| mvo | seb128: great, thanks | 10:02 |
| seb128 | mvo, what are you trying to do? | 10:02 |
| seb128 | mvo, g_settings_new used to call abort on missing schemas, that's fixed in the glib update that is pending upload | 10:03 |
| seb128 | mvo, if the issue you are trying to fix is deal with missing schemas | 10:03 |
| mvo | seb128: yeah, that is the issue | 10:07 |
| seb128 | mvo, it took only 2 years to convince desrt ;-) | 10:07 |
| mvo | well, its fine to have a exception in this case … | 10:08 |
| mvo | but not a unhandlable one | 10:08 |
| seb128 | well they say it's part of the installation and that if it's not installed your install is corrupted | 10:08 |
| seb128 | in the same way that the binary could be corrupted | 10:08 |
| seb128 | so there is no real point to try to deal with it out of stopping | 10:09 |
| cdbs | didrocks: ping, brasero's done https://code.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar/brasero/unity-launcher-integration/+merge/68940 | 10:19 |
| didrocks | cdbs: nice! I'll have a look shortly :) | 10:22 |
| cdbs | didrocks: yeah, I've just updated the branch, a moment ago, if you have downloaded it already then pull it up :) | 10:23 |
| didrocks | cdbs: the code looks good. However, I have no cd burner right now to test it, can you pease subscribe the sponsoring list as well? | 10:26 |
| seb128 | didrocks, do you need testing with a real drive to see it makes the right calls? | 10:27 |
| didrocks | seb128: not sure, maybe it can work creating an iso from another iso in brasero, I never tried if it's even possible with brasero | 10:27 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ignore me, I though it was static .desktop lists, I've read the diff now | 10:29 |
| didrocks | no worry :) | 10:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks, recording a directory to an iso should work I think but i'm not sure ;-) | 10:29 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh, isn't it your patch pilot day? ;-) | 10:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks, indeed ;-) can have a look after lunch if you want | 10:30 |
| didrocks | excellent, thanks seb128 :-) | 10:30 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I guess the half an hour before coming back is not a good sign for the new version? | 10:30 |
| didrocks | still trying to figure out those qml non updating on dconf change | 10:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yw ;-) | 10:30 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, heh, it's a bad sign for the unity greeter, I'll fix that tomorrow | 10:31 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, does current gtk greater let you log in if you have no .dmrc or a protected user directory? ;-) | 10:31 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, if it does I think we are fine for a3, though it would still better to not break the unity greeter for those who run it | 10:32 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, I haven't tested that yet, it probably is still broken, will look at it tomorrow | 10:39 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, there is a one liner patch on the bug which is assigned to you | 10:39 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, it's a check for a null value | 10:39 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, the new package is in lp, could you test it? Unity greeter users will revert to the GTK+ greeter, I'll upload a fixed unity-greeter package tomorrow | 10:40 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, do you need feedback now, or should I just play with it today and drop you an email to say how it went? | 10:40 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yeah, I saw the bug go by, but I've just been sprinting to get the 0.9 release out, only just got back to looking at bugs | 10:40 |
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| robert_ancell | seb128, I think if we're going to change to it for A3 we should do it with at least one day of testing. I'm happy to upload it right now, but a second opinion would be good | 10:41 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, let me build it ;-) | 10:41 |
| ronoc | mvo, ping | 10:48 |
| ronoc | this com.ubuntu.systemservice - does it only appear when there is something to report ? | 10:48 |
| ronoc | currently i have set up a watch on its dbus name | 10:48 |
| ronoc | when it appears I will check the rebootrequired method | 10:49 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, brb with new lightdm | 10:49 |
| ronoc | mvo, I need though more information about this systemservice (because i can't see it through d-feet right now) | 10:52 |
| ronoc | i presume because i don't need to restart | 10:53 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, good news? | 10:56 |
| seb128 | re | 10:56 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, no | 10:56 |
| seb128 | I had to use gdm to log in | 10:56 |
| seb128 | lightdm switched me to the gtk greater | 10:56 |
| seb128 | it let me enter my login and password and then seems to start loading the session for a second and send me back to the greeter | 10:57 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, can you paste the log? | 10:57 |
| seb128 | which on? lightdm.log? | 10:58 |
| robert_ancell | yup | 10:58 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/651688/ | 10:58 |
| seb128 | "[+38.68s] DEBUG: Adding session authority to /home/seb128/.Xauthority | 10:59 |
| seb128 | [+38.68s] WARNING: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory." | 10:59 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ^ I wonder if those are my logging try | 10:59 |
| robert_ancell | yes, it looks like it | 10:59 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, can I help debugging it in some way? | 11:15 |
| robert_ancell | could you touch ~/.Xauthority and see if that makes a difference? | 11:15 |
| robert_ancell | I'm fixing up the GError code, damn this is easier in Vala... | 11:15 |
| seb128 | trying | 11:17 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, is there a way to start a lightdm in xephyr or something from my session? | 11:17 |
| robert_ancell | there's --test-mode, but you can't run a xephyr and have it register with lightdm (this release) | 11:18 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, with a .Xauthority it starts | 11:23 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, ok, interesting the regression tests don't pick that one up | 11:23 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I got keyring unlocking prompt after login so dunno if the pam integration got buggy with the new version or what's going on | 11:23 |
| robert_ancell | I get that too... it doesn't happen in GDM? | 11:23 |
| seb128 | no | 11:23 |
| seb128 | it didn't happen in lightdm before the update either | 11:24 |
| ronoc | mvo_: did you see my questions above ? | 11:24 |
| ronoc | mvo_, pinga ring ? | 11:28 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, the new lightdm works fine on my nb btw, with or without a .Xauthority, dunno what's the difference | 11:32 |
| robert_ancell | ok, that is weird... | 11:32 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, dunno if that's to be with my user being on ecryptfs on my laptop | 11:32 |
| robert_ancell | are you logged in on a terminal and keeping the home dir open? | 11:33 |
| seb128 | yes | 11:33 |
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| seb128 | robert_ancell, brb doing another testing without Xauthority on this box | 11:34 |
| sebguest | robert_ancell, re under a guest session | 11:41 |
| sebguest | so lightdm refuses to let my user in after a fresh reboot | 11:41 |
| robert_ancell | sebguest, hey, can you reproduce it? | 11:41 |
| sebguest | switching to a vt and login in shows my user dir has a .Xauthority from now | 11:41 |
| sebguest | i.e time I tried to log in | 11:41 |
| sebguest | which is non null | 11:41 |
| robert_ancell | sebguest, does it occur for users without encrypted dirs? | 11:42 |
| sebguest | robert_ancell, yes, happens on a fresh boot on my laptop | 11:42 |
| sebguest | robert_ancell, is there any way I can go back to the greeter to try to log with another user? | 11:42 |
| sebguest | or should I log out of my guest session? | 11:43 |
| sebguest | the indicator user switching doesn't do anything | 11:43 |
| robert_ancell | sebguest, open d-feet, and go to org.freedesktop.DisplayManager.Seat0 | 11:43 |
| robert_ancell | and run SwitchToGreeter() | 11:43 |
| sebguest | robert_ancell, ok, my test user works | 11:44 |
| sebguest | so seems limited to my ecryptfs main account | 11:44 |
| sebguest | let me ecryptfs an user on my nb to see if that bug as well | 11:44 |
| sebguest | wth? | 11:49 |
| sebguest | I can log in with my user by switching to the greeter now | 11:49 |
| sebguest | brb | 11:49 |
| seb128 | re | 11:59 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, sorry for the delay | 11:59 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, so yeah, same think on my nb with a test user | 11:59 |
| robert_ancell | np, I tried an encrypted user and had the same problem | 11:59 |
| seb128 | it's somewhat ecryptfs specific | 12:00 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, anyway I'm set up to debug on my nb as well now but I guess if you get the issue you can as well directly debug ;-) | 12:03 |
| robert_ancell | yeah, I'm scratching my head though | 12:03 |
| cyphermox | good morning | 12:03 |
| seb128 | hey cyphermox | 12:04 |
| cyphermox | hey seb128 | 12:04 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, it's weird I managed to log in a few times but I can't find steps to make it work or if that's random | 12:04 |
| seb128 | like before it worked when I switched to the greeter with d-feet and tried to log in but it doesn't do it now | 12:05 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, I think it's the home dir not getting mounted, perhaps there's a race | 12:05 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, but I can confirm the pam keyring integration being broken on any user, ecryptfs or not | 12:06 |
| seb128 | not sure if that could be the same bug | 12:06 |
| mvo__ | ronoc: hey, I did not see your question, I have a bit of network trouble today | 12:10 |
| ronoc | mvo__, no worries, could you send me details via email the system service dbus interface, so as i can code it up. | 12:10 |
| ronoc | mvo__, i need to grab some lunch | 12:10 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, ok, I won't chase that red herring | 12:10 |
| ronoc | mvo__, bbiab | 12:10 |
| mvo__ | ronoc: sure | 12:11 |
| ronoc | mvo__, thanks | 12:11 |
| ronoc | mvo__, does it only appear on the bus if a restart is required ? | 12:11 |
| mvo__ | ronoc: its a auto start service, one way is to query it after a transaction of aptdaemon, but I guess I can actually add something into aptdaemon so that you can check after a finished aptdaemon transaction if a reboot is required | 12:12 |
| mvo__ | ronoc: does that sound easier? | 12:12 |
| glatzor | hello mvo__ what do you need? | 12:13 |
| ronoc | mvo__, I was going to put a dbus watcher in place for it whereby once it appears on the bus I will query it. but yes it would be easier if I get all i need from the apt dbus interface | 12:13 |
| ronoc | mvo__, I have the watcher in place though | 12:14 |
| ronoc | so its okay as is, i'm assuming I will need to watch for that name appearing onthe bus | 12:14 |
| ronoc | when it appears query for a systemrestart | 12:14 |
| ronoc | simple as that i hope | 12:14 |
| ronoc | mvo__, ^ | 12:14 |
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| mvo__ | glatzor: a property/information if a restart is required after the transaction finished. wdyt? | 12:17 |
| ronoc | mvo__, yep property changed signal would be just grand | 12:17 |
| mvo__ | ronoc: eaiest is to simply ask after each transaction if a reboot is required, but I will talk with glatzor about that now too | 12:17 |
| mvo__ | ronoc: have lunch first :) afterwards we should have something worked out :) | 12:18 |
| ronoc | ok i'll hold off and work on something else | 12:18 |
| ronoc | mvo__, perfect I'm starving :) | 12:18 |
| glatzor | mvo__, how do you want to get the information from the system? the old stamp file mechanism? or by using a package white list? | 12:20 |
| mvo__ | glatzor: yeah, the good old stamp file, if its not there before the transaction but there after, we know it got created | 12:22 |
| mvo__ | glatzor: not sure if its worthwhile to carry "no-reboot, new-reboot-notification, already-existing-reboot-notification". or if there should simply be a "restart recommended" property in the transaction if we find the file | 12:23 |
| mvo__ | glatzor: its on /var/run and should be safe to reply on | 12:23 |
| seif | didrocks, around | 12:24 |
| didrocks | seif: on debugging stuff right now :) | 12:25 |
| seif | didrocks, why do i have an ugly "me indicator" besdie the session one | 12:25 |
| didrocks | seif: define "ugly" :) | 12:25 |
| seif | didrocks, http://imgur.com/tXh7u | 12:27 |
| glatzor | mvo__, why do you want to put it into the transaction at all? | 12:27 |
| glatzor | mvo__, we cannot make any predections if the file will be created during the transaction | 12:27 |
| jbicha | seif: yeah, the portrait doesn't look anything like you, :-) | 12:27 |
| didrocks | seif: if you see your name, it means that you have more than one user on your computer | 12:27 |
| seif | and the icon :P | 12:28 |
| seif | jbicha, yeah i thnk i am fluffier :P | 12:28 |
| mvo__ | glatzor: not before, but when it finished, we know. well, it does not have to be in it, it would just be a convinient way for the apps to show a reboot-recommended msg if needed and without the need to query another interface | 12:28 |
| glatzor | should we add a property to org.debian.aptdaemon? | 12:29 |
| seif | didrocks, what about the icon | 12:29 |
| didrocks | seif: not sure about it, better to talk to John/mpt about it :) | 12:29 |
| mvo__ | glatzor: hm, that is a nice idea | 12:30 |
| mpt | hi there glatzor | 12:30 |
| seif | mpt, is this normal http://imgur.com/tXh7u | 12:30 |
| seif | or do i have something wrong installed | 12:31 |
| jbicha | could someone please fix bug 798951 | 12:31 |
| glatzor | hello mpt! | 12:31 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 798951 in gnome-panel "Applications menu fails to open due to change to /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/798951 | 12:31 |
| mpt | seif, yes. | 12:31 |
| mpt | seif, it follows the spec at least. | 12:31 |
| jbicha | mpt: which spec? | 12:31 |
| mpt | jbicha, for the device menu and user menu. I'll see if I have permission to make it public now that it has been implemented. | 12:32 |
| didrocks | desrt: ah, so got a reproducible test case for some fun with qm and dconf-qt. So, if you take this qml file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/651733/ | 12:33 |
| didrocks | desrt: all is fine if you try to change the value with gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri "file:///usr/share/backgrounds/Fabric_by_Just_Jeanette.jpg" for instance | 12:33 |
| mvo__ | glatzor: do you want to go ahead with it or should I give it a go and propose a merge? | 12:33 |
| jbicha | not trying to stir up trouble, but private design is annoying | 12:33 |
| didrocks | desrt: if you try with g-c-c, I get: process 31085: type invalid 0 not a basic type | 12:33 |
| didrocks | desrt: dconf-editor is working though, no idea of what g-c-c can do differently in the gsettings/dconf level? | 12:34 |
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| jbicha | it's hard to tell what's already been decided and what's still open to getting bugs and improvements | 12:34 |
| desrt | didrocks: maybe g-c-c is doing multiple sets | 12:34 |
| desrt | which causes the change signal to arrive differently | 12:35 |
| didrocks | desrt: you mean, sending multiple values in a row or multiple times the same one? | 12:35 |
| desrt | didrocks: could be that i handle that case incorrectly in either dconf-qt or libdconf-dbus-1 | 12:35 |
| desrt | didrocks: dconf has a facility for performing multiple changes at the same time | 12:35 |
| desrt | ie: grouping multiple writes into one | 12:35 |
| seb128 | jbicha, hey, yeah having public spec is better | 12:36 |
| didrocks | desrt: ah, yeah, that may be the cause then. Any chance you have a look? | 12:36 |
| desrt | maybe gcc is doing that | 12:36 |
| desrt | didrocks: maybe later today or tomorrow | 12:36 |
| didrocks | desrt: no hurry, thanks a lot! :-) | 12:36 |
| * desrt is trying to smoke this eventfd issue | 12:36 | |
| glatzor | mvo__, oh a merge would be nice :) my niece is paying me a visit and I am still sitting at my work doing DRBD perfomance tunings :) | 12:39 |
| mvo_ | glatzor: ok, I will hack on it next | 12:41 |
| didrocks | desrt: they are indeed using g_settings_delay() so I think you're right :) | 12:43 |
| desrt | didrocks: let me take a quick look at dconf-dbus-1 | 12:44 |
| didrocks | desrt: no hurry, make seb128 happy first! :-) | 12:44 |
| desrt | oh god | 12:44 |
| desrt | i hate libdbus-1 | 12:45 |
| * desrt remembers writing this code, bad flashbacks | 12:45 | |
| didrocks | :) | 12:45 |
| desrt | nothing obvious. is it a crash? | 12:46 |
| desrt | can i get a trace? | 12:46 |
| didrocks | desrt: it's not a crash, just a warning shown | 12:46 |
| desrt | can you trace to the warning? | 12:47 |
| didrocks | desrt: sure, one sec | 12:47 |
| desrt | either enable fatal warnings or gdb and break on g_logv... | 12:47 |
| * didrocks needs to build dconf-qt with dbgsym first | 12:48 | |
| kenvandine | didrocks, have you ever used the dee resource manager? | 12:48 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: no, I don't even know what this is. I've just been a dee client right now, why? :) | 12:49 |
| didrocks | cf your tweets from this week-end? | 12:49 |
| kenvandine | i have it working for one model... | 12:49 |
| kenvandine | not really | 12:49 |
| jbicha | hmm, I have 2 gnome-shell patches sitting in bugzilla for over a week, I guess I have to chase someone down in IRC | 12:49 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, it does the on disk cache of the model | 12:49 |
| kenvandine | i want that for startup time | 12:49 |
| kenvandine | i have it working for one of my models | 12:49 |
| kenvandine | but not both | 12:49 |
| kenvandine | the cached file is on disk... but it fails to load it | 12:49 |
| kenvandine | with no error or crash | 12:50 |
| kenvandine | so a pita to debug | 12:50 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: I think you should either chase neil or kamstrup then :) | 12:50 |
| kenvandine | and apparently on kamstrup has ever used it :) | 12:50 |
| kenvandine | s/on/only | 12:50 |
| didrocks | I just used it for one model | 12:50 |
| didrocks | as an experiment :) | 12:50 |
| kenvandine | the concept is awesome :) | 12:51 |
| didrocks | (didn't know it was called dee resourcec manager now, was dee dump before) | 12:51 |
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| didrocks | desrt: hum, I'm afraid it's even not a gwarning: doesn't break on it, and it really doesn't look like that ("process 488: type invalid 0 not a basic type"). More a QML/qtdeclarative thing | 12:57 |
| desrt | :( | 13:00 |
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| chrisccoulson | g'ah, invisible windows again | 13:04 |
| * kenvandine wonders if it is possible for sourceforge to be any harder to use | 13:04 | |
| bdrung | is someone working on updating glib2.0 to 2.29.14? | 13:11 |
| seb128 | bdrung, yes, but it breaks gtk < current so they need to be updated together | 13:11 |
| mclasen | you can update gtk first... | 13:12 |
| seb128 | bdrung, you can try an updated combo in the ubuntu desktop ppa if you want, there is the new glib and a patched gtk being tested there | 13:12 |
| bdrung | thanks, but i will wait. i am busy with other stuff | 13:12 |
| seb128 | mclasen, can you? gtk 3.1.10 depends on glib 2.29.14 | 13:13 |
| seb128 | mclasen, there is the unit change from desrt, and the 3.1 fix for the glib change doesn't check versions so shouldn't work on an old glib | 13:13 |
| mclasen | seb128: ah, bummer | 13:13 |
| seb128 | well anyway I've glib done, I'm working on the new gtk and I will upload both ;-) | 13:14 |
| mclasen | I just remembered that desrt committed an extra hack to make the pspec hack work with old and new glib | 13:14 |
| seb128 | right, he did on 3.0 | 13:14 |
| seb128 | but not on 3.1 since git was already requiring the current glib for the new unit api | 13:14 |
| mclasen | ah, right | 13:15 |
| desrt | seb128: could you do an experimental upload for me? | 13:17 |
| desrt | seb128: i have a somewhat sizable patch... | 13:18 |
| seb128 | desrt, sure | 13:18 |
| seb128 | desrt, you can probably upload easily in your own ppa as well | 13:18 |
| desrt | true. | 13:18 |
| desrt | except that fedora doesn't package dput :) | 13:18 |
| seb128 | dput is just a wrapper | 13:18 |
| desrt | and (more importantly) i don't have a working gpg key here | 13:18 |
| seb128 | you can ftp and put | 13:18 |
| seb128 | ok, that's another issue ;-) | 13:19 |
| desrt | both problems will be fixed once i return home | 13:19 |
| seb128 | where is the patch? | 13:19 |
| desrt | let me figure out which patches are the important ones here | 13:19 |
| seb128 | can you email it to me maybe? | 13:19 |
| desrt | do you prefer 4 separate or one big? | 13:19 |
| seb128 | what is best for you, one is probably easier | 13:19 |
| desrt | okay. let me rebase a bit. | 13:19 |
| * desrt makes a new branch | 13:20 | |
| seb128 | did you find an issue? | 13:20 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, did you say you got the same error in the error console with tbird this morning? (tree is undefined @ chrome://messenger/content/folderPane.js:885) | 13:20 |
| chrisccoulson | or did you not check? | 13:20 |
| chrisccoulson | and this was with the current beta (rather than the nightly)? | 13:20 |
| desrt | seb128: i've found a few more, actually | 13:21 |
| desrt | actually, i'm not quite ready yet. sorry. | 13:21 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: it was the current version in oneiric, and yeah, it was that error IIRC | 13:22 |
| * desrt remembers one more bug he has to fix first | 13:22 | |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, thanks. i'm wondering if the startup cache thing was a red herring. the current beta doesn't use the same mechanism for the cache as the nightly | 13:22 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: I hope it's the issue and that people won't get it under a normal load | 13:23 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: apart from that, I'm pretty please with thunderbird TBH | 13:24 |
| chrisccoulson | cool :) | 13:24 |
| didrocks | I just hoped that I can get a global "group by thread" property and I didn't have to tell for each subfolder to check to get the notification | 13:24 |
| didrocks | but search is fast and responsive, contrary to jono, I'm pleased with it compared to evolution :) | 13:25 |
| didrocks | I never use tabs though | 13:25 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks: | 13:29 |
| chrisccoulson | <chrisccoulson> can anyone think of a condition that would cause tree to be undefined at http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-beta/file/4f152e919649/mail/base/content/folderPane.js#l889 ? | 13:30 |
| chrisccoulson | <Standard8> chrisccoulson: bienvenu has a patch for that | 13:30 |
| chrisccoulson | ;) | 13:30 |
| chrisccoulson | (from #maildev) | 13:30 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: roh nice! that clearly means that you will maybe be able to sleep during nights and week-ends! :-) | 13:30 |
| didrocks | lucky you ;) | 13:30 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm glad | 13:30 |
| seb128 | hate hate update-manager | 13:38 |
| sagaci | i disable it | 13:39 |
| seb128 | why do you list ppa updates if you refuse to install them because they are not signed | 13:39 |
| seb128 | let's use apt-get | 13:39 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658534 | 13:41 |
| ubot2 | Mozilla bug 658534 in Folder and Message Lists "can't collapse+expand accounts in folder pane, tree is undefined" [Normal,New: ] | 13:41 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: great, will you integrate that soon in our thunderbird beta? | 13:42 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, there shouldn't be any need. i think they'll land it on the current beta anyway | 13:43 |
| didrocks | ok :-) | 13:43 |
| desrt | seb128: okay. you have the patch in a mail | 13:49 |
| seb128 | desrt, thanks | 13:49 |
| desrt | seb128: running the tests here one more time to save you the trouble if i accidentally broke something while rebasing :) | 13:49 |
| seb128 | desrt, ok ;-) | 13:50 |
| desrt | seb128: seems fine. be sure to update the symbols file :) | 13:56 |
| seb128 | desrt, ok ;-) | 13:56 |
| * kenvandine runs out for an early lunch break... be back in about an hour | 13:57 | |
| * desrt wonders what TZ ken is in | 13:58 | |
| ronoc | mvo, any decisions been made ? | 14:00 |
| seb128 | desrt, he's in north carolina | 14:01 |
| seb128 | desrt, it must be 10am his time | 14:02 |
| desrt | early indeed :) | 14:02 |
| seb128 | desrt, but he wakes up at 6am or something | 14:02 |
| desrt | ah | 14:02 |
| mvo | ronoc: we will add a property to aptdaemon for the restart required, I will hack on it later | 14:02 |
| ronoc | mvo, perfect, will move on to something else in the interim. | 14:02 |
| ronoc | mvo, thanks | 14:02 |
| mvo | thanks ronoc | 14:02 |
| dobey | seb128: hi. is https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/oneiric/ubuntu-sso-client/release-1-3-2/+merge/68910 on your list too? :) | 14:10 |
| seb128 | dobey, yes | 14:11 |
| dobey | seb128: great, thanks | 14:11 |
| seb128 | yw | 14:11 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Thanks for your comment on the MP. Your reaction was kind of expected... ;-) | 14:17 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, ;-) | 14:18 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Do you think it would a good idea to move those scripts to a package of their own? I mean a pure Ubuntu package for now, even if I agree that it would be good if it could go upstream later on. | 14:18 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, you will have an hard time to get somebody to understand those changes before pitti comes back I think, but it can be good to try to get a bit of the logic and what we need described so we can start doing thinking on how that should work | 14:19 |
| didrocks | mterry: hey, do you have some time for a short MIR review? bug #815919 | 14:19 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 815919 in dconf-qt "[MIR] dconf-qt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/815919 | 14:19 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: It's not rocket science. :) But wouldn't a creation of a separate package contribute to a clarification of the logic? | 14:21 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, yes, it seems those script should live in either a new source or in some of langpack or locale binary | 14:22 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, i.e we should just have the logic to use them in the tools | 14:23 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, thinking about it language-selector should work to have those | 14:24 |
| seb128 | easier than added a source | 14:24 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: That was my original thought, but Martin didn't think it would be appropriate to make l-s a dependency of the other packages. | 14:26 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, he has a point, but maybe the source should be l-s and they should create a new language-selector-scripts binary | 14:27 |
| seb128 | that one would be a pretty small depends | 14:27 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Yes, small indeed. :) | 14:28 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Martin mentioned accountsservice also, but personally I think the idea with a new l-s binary sounds like a better idea. | 14:28 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Would you like me to make an attempt to create such a l-s binary? That way the code would hopefully be better organized tomorrow when Rodrigo is back. | 14:33 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, hum, thanks but I think that can wait a bit, we will probably not reach any conclusion while pitti is not there | 14:34 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, what would help is a summary of the different pieces and what they do | 14:35 |
| seb128 | so we can think of what is doing what, where they should be hosted and if they can be done in an upstream friendly way | 14:35 |
| seb128 | what we will do over time is move some of those logical bits where they made sense and not as something ubuntu specific if we can | 14:36 |
| seb128 | like the list of locales, etc ought to be the same on any distro | 14:36 |
| mterry | didrocks, ok | 14:36 |
| desrt | seb128: poke me with the build link when you have it? | 14:36 |
| seb128 | desrt, will do | 14:36 |
| desrt | thx | 14:36 |
| seb128 | desrt, I'm just finishing sorting the glib,gtk updates to oneiric and once the vcs is clean I will do a ppa update on top of that | 14:37 |
| desrt | ah. that sounds reasonable. | 14:37 |
| desrt | did you get a 3.1 with the gparamspec fixes? | 14:37 |
| seb128 | desrt, yes | 14:38 |
| seb128 | 3. | 14:38 |
| desrt | sweet | 14:38 |
| seb128 | 3.1.10 | 14:38 |
| mterry | didrocks, who is consuming the -dev for dconf-qt? | 14:42 |
| didrocks | mterry: unity-2d right now | 14:42 |
| mterry | didrocks, and the hope is that we try to avoid a maintenance burden by warning other potential users about the unstable ABI in the description? | 14:44 |
| didrocks | mterry: indeed, it's really the same than using dconf directly btw | 14:44 |
| didrocks | with the frontend/backend part | 14:44 |
| didrocks | so I warn at least, what we don't do in other packages :) | 14:45 |
| mterry | didrocks, I see, the QML is the stablish frontend? | 14:45 |
| didrocks | mterry: indeed, it shouldn't change | 14:45 |
| mterry | didrocks, but unity-2d is too special to use the QML? :) | 14:46 |
| didrocks | mterry: it uses a great part of C++ as well | 14:46 |
| didrocks | not only QML | 14:46 |
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| GunnarHj | seb128: I fully agree that as much as possible should go upstream in the end. But since that reasonably won't happen before the Oneiric release, there is a need to do something in the meantime, and l-s is undergoing big changes anyway. | 14:54 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Since we are agreed that the scripts should not be in g-c-c, I think I'll move them to l-s for now, well aware of the risk that it may be a wasted effort. But that way I would achieve a set of MPs that at least I think make sense. :) | 14:54 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: I'll also think about that summary of the different pieces you'd like to see. | 14:54 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, thanks | 14:54 |
| dupondje | In what package is the code to enable/disable touchpad? Cause I have a bug when enabling/disabling my touchpad. | 15:03 |
| seb128 | dupondje, gnome-settings-daemon | 15:16 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, oh, you had rights for bluez added, great one thing less to sponsor today :p | 15:16 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah :) | 15:16 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks to cjwatson | 15:16 |
| chrisccoulson | it's nice that i can use my bluetooth adapter again :) | 15:17 |
| chrisccoulson | i really missed that at the rally, as my travel mouse is bluetooth | 15:17 |
| didrocks | seb128: short patch lifetime for nautilus \o/ | 15:27 |
| seb128 | didrocks, nice work getting things upstream there ;-) | 15:27 |
| didrocks | heh :-) | 15:27 |
| ronoc | seb128, do you know much about gudev (i don't see pitti online) | 15:28 |
| seb128 | ronoc, not really, pitti is on holidays for 2 weeks | 15:28 |
| ronoc | seb128, ah doh | 15:28 |
| seb128 | ronoc, try asking on #ubuntu-devel | 15:30 |
| seb128 | ronoc, or on #udev | 15:30 |
| ronoc | seb128, will do thx | 15:30 |
| mterry | tremolux, if a package has multiple .desktop files, how does software-center pick among them? | 15:30 |
| mterry | (in terms of which .desktop file it grabs info from) | 15:30 |
| tremolux | mterry: sorry, in a call, I'll be a few minutes | 15:31 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: I'm talking with scottk, and they have appmenu-gtk2/3 for enabling by default appmenu support for gtk apps when you install some (they use appmenu in their netbook flavor) | 15:35 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: he's suggesting that we downgrade the dep as suggests and try to avoid shlibs-gen to bringing it by excluding gtk2/3 | 15:36 |
| didrocks | I think it makes sense to make, WDYT? | 15:36 |
| * kenvandine thinks | 15:36 | |
| didrocks | if we install an app using it, it will dep on gtk2 or gtk3 | 15:37 |
| didrocks | so we will have the dep | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | sounds fine | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | indeed | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | how do we keep shlibs from bringing in the dep? | 15:37 |
| didrocks | and without it, the component is just useless and won't be used | 15:37 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: I'll do it if you want :) | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | please do :) | 15:37 |
| didrocks | it's a -X question, just need to find the right path | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | cool | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | awesome, thx! | 15:38 |
| didrocks | yw :) | 15:38 |
| Sweetshark | jasoncwarner_: ping? | 15:39 |
| tremolux | mterry: heyo, so the short answer is that we show them all | 15:50 |
| tremolux | mterry: is there a specific thing you are seeing? | 15:50 |
| mterry | tremolux, well, let's say a package has two desktop files with different names. Which gets used? | 15:51 |
| mterry | tremolux, just wondering which .desktop file to put my X-Ubuntu-Software-Center-Name key in | 15:51 |
| tremolux | mterry: when I tested that feature, I used deja-dup.desktop ;) | 15:53 |
| mterry | tremolux, K. Do you know why that one got picked? | 15:58 |
| mterry | tremolux, (over deja-dup-preferences.desktop or deja-dup-ccpanel.desktop) | 15:59 |
| tremolux | mterry: hmm, I'm not sure of the answer to that, let me look (fwiw I used it in my test because it seemed the obvious choice) | 16:03 |
| tremolux | mterry: the reason is that those other desktop files are not included in app-install-data | 16:07 |
| mterry | tremolux, ah, fascinating. do you know how app-install-data decides which to slurp? | 16:09 |
| mterry | tremolux, hmm, seems like it sucks down a tarball created by mvo on rookery | 16:11 |
| mterry | tremolux, and newer versions of that tarball include deja-dup-ccpanel.desktop as well as deja-dup.desktop. So I'm curious how software-center will act then | 16:12 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: it seems that libdbusmenu takes more time to build all the packages itself than to build the upstream code | 16:12 |
| kenvandine | yeah.... | 16:12 |
| kenvandine | it is a pita | 16:13 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the gir stuff is slow | 16:13 |
| seb128 | didrocks, if you want to optimize dh_gir... you're welcome ;-) | 16:13 |
| didrocks | seb128: dpkg-genshlibs is slow as well :-) | 16:13 |
| didrocks | and no, I've done some perl last week, it was enough for the month :-) | 16:13 |
| didrocks | one punishment at a time :-) | 16:14 |
| tremolux | mterry: the lists are blacklisted here (courtesy mvo): bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvo/archive-crawler/mvo/ in data/blacklist.cfg and blacklist_desktop.cfg | 16:15 |
| tremolux | mterry: is deja-dup-ccpanel.desktop new? | 16:15 |
| tremolux | mterry: seems it may need to be added there? | 16:15 |
| mvo | or add X-AppInstall-Ignore=true to the desktop file | 16:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks, why do you need to change libdbusmenu and indicator... to drop appmenu-gtk depends? | 16:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks, just tweak the shlibs from the rules in appmenu-gtk? | 16:29 |
| didrocks | seb128: didn't you follow the discussion above with kenvandine? ^ | 16:39 |
| mvo | seb128: I upload a gtk3 apturl next, could you give it the special seb128 test ? | 16:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I did but you talked about appmenu-gtk and you uploaded libdbusmenu and indicator-appmenu so I'm lost | 16:39 |
| seb128 | mvo, sure | 16:40 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, it was the first pass, then I look at the kubuntu seed to see what really brought gtk | 16:40 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I'm less happy about downgrading the indicator depends | 16:40 |
| tremolux | mterry: ^^^ what mvo said, adding "X-AppInstall-Ignore=true" to deja-dup-ccpanel.desktop will accomplish it as well | 16:41 |
| didrocks | seb128: hum, let me check for the indicator again | 16:41 |
| tremolux | mterry: and then X-Ubuntu-Software-Center-Name goes in deja-dup.desktop and you are good to go | 16:42 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you are sure that if gtk is missing but the indicator so is there you will not take the unity loader down on a missing symbol or lib? | 16:42 |
| seb128 | indicator ".so" | 16:42 |
| seb128 | -unity | 16:43 |
| tremolux | mvo: (thanks for suggesting that) :) | 16:43 |
| didrocks | seb128: crap, my bad… | 16:43 |
| * didrocks blames on all those *indicator* | 16:43 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, no worry ;-) | 16:43 |
| didrocks | seb128: will fix the indicator* next time | 16:43 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 16:43 |
| kenvandine | davmor2, your problem with gwibber opening the wrong url, that is when clicking on the avatar right? | 17:23 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: indeed, I think it might be an issue with ticket positions though it was opening Jono's twitter message on some one elses fb message | 17:34 |
| kenvandine | no, it is signals not getting disconnected | 17:34 |
| kenvandine | the downside to reusing these tile widgets... is making sure data and signals are all properly changed and disconnected | 17:35 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: that would sound about right, if I closed gwibber and re-open it opens the right page | 17:35 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: you still need me to file a bug on it or are you okay I didn't have time yesterday | 17:36 |
| kenvandine | nah | 17:37 |
| kenvandine | fixing it now | 17:37 |
| kenvandine | just making sure that was the issue | 17:37 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: sounds like it | 17:37 |
| davmor2 | guys is there a reason why restart is missing from the system indicator? | 17:38 |
| didrocks | have a good evening guys! | 17:39 |
| kenvandine | davmor2, i hadn't noticed that.. | 17:50 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: it is though isn't it please say it's not just me :) | 17:51 |
| kenvandine | davmor2, indeed... it is missing | 17:52 |
| davmor2 | want a bug for that one :) | 17:52 |
| kenvandine | tedg, is that per design? | 17:54 |
| tedg | kenvandine, Uhm, I don't remember. | 18:02 |
| tedg | kenvandine, I think we've gone back and forth on those a bit. | 18:03 |
| kenvandine | tedg, i haven't seen the design for that | 18:03 |
| tedg | kenvandine, I'm not sure where it ended up. | 18:03 |
| tedg | kenvandine, I think even the docs we have are out of date. | 18:04 |
| kenvandine | davmor2, file a bug and we can assign it to someone that can confirm | 18:13 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine, tedg I'll write a bug for it and then you can invalidate it latter if it is by design | 18:13 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: you beat me to it :) | 18:13 |
| kenvandine | :) | 18:14 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: I'm taking it that it is the indicator-power correct? | 18:14 |
| kenvandine | davmor2, fixed that link bug... hopefully get a release out soon | 18:14 |
| kenvandine | no | 18:14 |
| kenvandine | indicator-session | 18:14 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: thanks | 18:15 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: bug #816066 | 18:35 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 816066 in indicator-session "There is no restart option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/816066 | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | davmor2, thx... i've assigned it | 18:36 |
| seb128 | bah, it's annoying that users running the unstable series can do trivial duplicate checks | 18:45 |
| seb128 | like the "no restart in session indicator" got 3 duplicates now | 18:46 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, the bug you commented on is a duplicate of bug #815077 | 18:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 815077 in indicator-session "restart is missing from SessionMenu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/815077 | 18:46 |
| kenvandine | cool | 18:46 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I would like to see the spec as well but I would not be surprised if they decided to show restart only when upgrades needing a restart are installed | 18:47 |
| seb128 | that would be typical design thinking, "why do users need to restart if there is no upgrade" ;-) | 18:47 |
| kenvandine | :) | 18:48 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, next they will drop shutdown you will see ;-) | 18:50 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 18:50 |
| kenvandine | seb128, think you can look at gtkspell in binNEW? | 19:24 |
| kenvandine | i want to roll a release of gwibber that needs that :) | 19:24 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, sure | 19:24 |
| kenvandine | thx | 19:24 |
| kenvandine | i added gtk3 support | 19:24 |
| seb128 | I noticed the upload | 19:24 |
| seb128 | great, it was on my "to check what to do with gtk3" list ;-) | 19:25 |
| kenvandine | i am suprised nobody has yelled yet :) | 19:25 |
| kenvandine | i saw quite a few things on google saying "can't port X to gtk3 because of gtkspell" | 19:25 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 19:25 |
| kenvandine | sadly upstream looks nearly dead :( | 19:25 |
| kenvandine | but i did submit my patch :) | 19:26 |
| seb128 | tedg, hey | 19:32 |
| seb128 | tedg, how is libindicate-gtk on gtk3 going? | 19:32 |
| seb128 | you have an a3 wi for it on our gnome3 spec | 19:32 |
| tedg | seb128, Uhm, only took a quick look at it. | 19:33 |
| tedg | seb128, Let me do that now actually. Not in the middle of something, should only take a few hours. | 19:33 |
| seb128 | tedg, thanks | 19:34 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ^ | 19:34 |
| kenvandine | woot! | 19:35 |
| tedg | kenvandine, I thought you'd done the configure stuff, do you have a branch somewhere/ | 19:35 |
| kenvandine | tedg, i see how it is... i harass you and get ignored, seb128 does and you just do it :) | 19:35 |
| kenvandine | tedg, no... i never even touched it | 19:35 |
| tedg | kenvandine, What can I say, he comes from a better wine region ;-) | 19:36 |
| kenvandine | i'll agree with that | 19:37 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, btw if you want some GNOME updates the evolution stack has 3.1.4 tarballs | 19:38 |
| tedg | kenvandine, Fine, if you won't be trolled by that.... he comes from a place with a better hockey team ;-) | 19:38 |
| cyphermox | seb128: cool, sure | 19:38 |
| kenvandine | bah! | 19:38 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, thanks | 19:38 |
| cyphermox | just finishing up some usb_modeswitch fixes first | 19:39 |
| kenvandine | seb128, is there any benefit in installing the scaled png for icons? | 19:43 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, you mean the 256x256 icon when there is also a svg? | 19:45 |
| seb128 | not sure but I would like to know | 19:45 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 19:45 |
| seb128 | check with dobey maybe, he should know about icons ;-) | 19:45 |
| kenvandine | dobey, ^^ | 19:45 |
| kenvandine | i am finally making gwibber install proper icons | 19:45 |
| kenvandine | and seems silly to create a bunch of pngs | 19:46 |
| dobey | huh? | 19:46 |
| seb128 | I think gnome-shell uses those in its expose, which means they would be useful for alt-tab and lenses in unity as well but I'm not sure if having a svg is enough | 19:47 |
| dobey | kenvandine: well, librsvg doesn't support everything inkscape does. so for gnome-icon-theme for example, everything gets rendered to PNG, and the PNGs get installed | 19:47 |
| dobey | kenvandine: and for the scalable it just uses the 256 PNG, which scales about the same quality as a 256px SVG does | 19:47 |
| kenvandine | dobey, so if librsvg renders the gwibber.svg fine, i should just install that? | 19:48 |
| kenvandine | or forget the png? | 19:48 |
| dobey | you can install the svg i guess. but librsvg isn't a requirement for gtk+ to work afaik, so if you want to rely on that, you should also add a hard dependency on librsvg | 19:49 |
| dobey | or more specifically, on the librsvg gdk-pixbuf renderer | 19:49 |
| kenvandine | ok | 19:49 |
| dobey | also, even if the SVG loads fine, i think the PNGs might be faster still | 19:50 |
| kenvandine | interesting... only installing the svg does make it look pretty bad | 19:54 |
| kenvandine | dobey, is it sane then to install the 256 png instead of all the other sizes? | 20:02 |
| kenvandine | dobey, that one file is smaller than all the common sizes combined | 20:02 |
| dobey | no, you need to install the small normal sizes | 20:02 |
| dobey | it doesn't scale down to 16x16 very well :) | 20:03 |
| kenvandine | ok | 20:13 |
| kenvandine | seb128, have any time to look at gtkspell? | 20:48 |
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| seb128 | kenvandine, doh, sorry got sidetracked, but I'm done with the other things, looking *now* ;-) | 20:50 |
| kenvandine | woot :) | 20:50 |
| kenvandine | i was going to upload with --disable-spell :) | 20:51 |
| kenvandine | but i'll wait | 20:51 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hum | 20:55 |
| kenvandine | sounds like more work for me :) | 20:55 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, small thing, the dev for gtk2 and gtk3 should conflict | 20:56 |
| seb128 | of you need to do something about the documentation | 20:56 |
| seb128 | like add a new binary | 20:56 |
| kenvandine | humm | 20:57 |
| kenvandine | the package isn't building docs | 20:57 |
| kenvandine | i don't think | 20:57 |
| seb128 | I'm tired | 20:57 |
| kenvandine | hehe :) | 20:57 |
| seb128 | you installed it in the gtk3-dev only | 20:57 |
| * kenvandine looks | 20:58 | |
| seb128 | kenvandine, the gtkspell binary is confusing | 20:58 |
| kenvandine | oh... | 20:58 |
| seb128 | for one thing it will be empty on ubuntu | 20:59 |
| kenvandine | yeah, i was puzzled what to do | 20:59 |
| kenvandine | but including them with the libs would conflict | 20:59 |
| seb128 | not on ubuntu ;-) | 20:59 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 20:59 |
| seb128 | we strip the translations | 20:59 |
| kenvandine | yeah... | 20:59 |
| seb128 | but that said I would name it libgtkspell-common | 20:59 |
| kenvandine | oh, i make the gtk2 dev package depend on the gtk3 | 21:00 |
| seb128 | rather than gtkspell | 21:00 |
| kenvandine | and the headers are only in the gtk3 package | 21:00 |
| seb128 | gtkspell is misleading in make you think it's an application | 21:00 |
| kenvandine | true... | 21:00 |
| seb128 | when libgtkspell-common will not confuse | 21:00 |
| seb128 | where | 21:00 |
| kenvandine | works for me :) | 21:00 |
| seb128 | can you rename it something with lib and common? | 21:00 |
| kenvandine | what do you think of libgtkspell-dev depending on libgtkspell3-dev? | 21:01 |
| kenvandine | it's awkward... | 21:01 |
| seb128 | just for the api? | 21:01 |
| seb128 | I would not bother | 21:01 |
| kenvandine | so leave the headers out of the gtk2 package and not depend? | 21:01 |
| seb128 | hum | 21:02 |
| seb128 | there is the .h indeed | 21:02 |
| kenvandine | i hate duplicating those | 21:02 |
| seb128 | do we have anything that will dual built gtk2 and gtk3 and need that lib? | 21:02 |
| kenvandine | nothing yet... | 21:02 |
| kenvandine | since there is nothing using it for gtk3 yet | 21:03 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, keep it like it is now and put a conflicts | 21:03 |
| seb128 | we will deal with dual installation if we need to | 21:03 |
| kenvandine | ok... | 21:03 |
| seb128 | but it's not likely that we will dual build anything out of libs | 21:03 |
| seb128 | and we don't have libs depending on that one | 21:04 |
| kenvandine | true | 21:04 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I'm still around for a bit, do the gtkspell -> something-common rename please and I will new only the new binaries | 21:05 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, no need to deal with new binaries to drop on the next upload | 21:05 |
| kenvandine | seb128, ok, should anything depend on libgtkspell-common? | 21:06 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, no | 21:07 |
| seb128 | it's going to be empty anyway | 21:07 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, oh, put the autoreconf rules before the debhelper one | 21:08 |
| kenvandine | ok | 21:08 |
| seb128 | otherwise you will get some debhelper.log in the diff.gz | 21:08 |
| kenvandine | oh... is that the trick! | 21:09 |
| seb128 | took me a while to figure why we had some of those | 21:09 |
| kenvandine | that has been annoying | 21:09 |
| seb128 | yes... | 21:09 |
| kenvandine | seb128, uploaded | 21:13 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok, you can upload gwibber as well, it will go depwaiting on it | 21:14 |
| kenvandine | will do | 21:14 |
| kenvandine | thx! | 21:14 |
| seb128 | yw | 21:14 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, btw did you find anything wrong with the messages counts or fb streams? | 21:15 |
| kenvandine | not yet, haven't really looked | 21:15 |
| kenvandine | fixed a bunch of other stuff though :) | 21:15 |
| seb128 | ok | 21:16 |
| kenvandine | seb128, next on my list is gwibber-accounts and gtk3 :) | 21:16 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 21:16 |
| kenvandine | dropping wnck | 21:16 |
| seb128 | \o/ ;-) | 21:18 |
| seb128 | ricotz, hey | 21:19 |
| seb128 | ricotz, do you have the mx build log? the gir provides the old name and the build-depends is not versioned so it should install with the old name | 21:20 |
| kenvandine | seb128, gtkspell just failed on amd64 ... sounds like the same problem | 21:21 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, "same"? | 21:21 |
| seb128 | than mx? | 21:21 |
| micahg | seb128: the old binary is still in the archive, if that's removed it should work as is | 21:21 |
| kenvandine | like what you just described for mx | 21:21 |
| kenvandine | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 21:21 |
| kenvandine | libgtk-3-dev : Depends: libgtk-3-0 (= 3.1.8-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed | 21:21 |
| kenvandine | Depends: gir1.2-gtk-3.0 (= 3.1.8-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed | 21:21 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, no | 21:21 |
| kenvandine | ok... :) | 21:21 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, that's the glib,gtk transition | 21:21 |
| seb128 | new glib makes old gtk segfault | 21:21 |
| seb128 | so I had to make it breaks libgtk | 21:22 |
| ricotz | seb128, hi, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/75010602/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.mx_1.2.0-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 21:22 |
| seb128 | glib failed to build first (testsuit timeout), it did success on a retry though | 21:22 |
| seb128 | so next publisher should have amd64 back on shape | 21:22 |
| seb128 | i.e in the next 25 minutes | 21:22 |
| kenvandine | ok | 21:23 |
| seb128 | ricotz, seems like a clutter issue | 21:23 |
| micahg | seb128: if gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 | 0.13.4-1 is removed, the provides should work, otherwise they won't | 21:23 |
| seb128 | micahg, oh, good point | 21:24 |
| seb128 | ricotz, well, why do we need a mx rebuild? | 21:24 |
| seb128 | ricotz, i.e can that wait for debian to fix it so we can stay in sync? | 21:24 |
| seb128 | or does it break something? | 21:24 |
| ricotz | seb128, i know, i didnt find the debian repos :\, so i just reported it that way | 21:25 |
| ricotz | rhythmbox will depend on it | 21:25 |
| ricotz | so it might even need a MIR | 21:25 |
| seb128 | depends or optional depends for a plugin? | 21:25 |
| ricotz | the visualizer plugin needs it, so it is optional | 21:26 |
| seb128 | ricotz, well cheese and totem use it as well so it might requires a mir for those | 21:26 |
| seb128 | having a mir is fine, on the CD will be another question | 21:26 |
| seb128 | ricotz, do you want to file the mir for it? ;-) | 21:27 |
| seb128 | ricotz, debian: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mx.html | 21:27 |
| seb128 | you can probably open a bug to say they need to rename it | 21:27 |
| ricotz | i see, so if there are some main packages needing it a MIR is worth it | 21:28 |
| ricotz | yeah, i actually looked for the packaging svn | 21:28 |
| seb128 | there might not be a vcs for it in debian | 21:28 |
| seb128 | ricotz, right, mir is worth it, totem will depends on it this cycle | 21:28 |
| seb128 | cheese has been demoted but kenvandine and ev wants it back in main so it might come back | 21:29 |
| kenvandine | :) | 21:29 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, btw did you see the gst replaces bug? | 21:29 |
| kenvandine | no... | 21:29 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok, I figure you might not have, I assigned it to you | 21:29 |
| ricotz | seb128, ok, i hope someone likes to do the mir | 21:30 |
| kenvandine | sorry... been heads down all day :) | 21:30 |
| kenvandine | i'll look in the morning | 21:30 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, we go some conflicts with the new -gconf binary, you probably screwed the replaces version | 21:30 |
| kenvandine | :( | 21:30 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, no hurry ;-) | 21:30 |
| seb128 | the "classic" upgrade order issu | 21:30 |
| seb128 | issue | 21:30 |
| kenvandine | ok, gwibber uploaded... gotta run for a bit | 21:32 |
| kenvandine | seb128, thx! | 21:32 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, have fun, see you tomorrow | 21:32 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I will retry the amd64 builds after the publisher run and new libgtkspell | 21:33 |
| kenvandine | thx! | 21:33 |
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