=== asac_ is now known as asac === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [05:19] good morning [05:20] Hey didrocks. Good morning! [05:22] hey RAOF! [05:22] My internal clock's all off. pitti hasn't clocked on, so I don't know what time it is! [05:26] heh :-) [05:29] howdy [05:29] I got my first patch into Gnome today so I'm happy [05:30] jbicha: nice! [05:50] RAOF: afaicr pitti is off for 2 weeks, as evident by him not actually being on IRC. :) [05:50] Yeah, I know. [05:50] didrocks: Good morning for you, I am pretty sure this new patch is done. I just need to add some more test and do some more [05:50] But his lack is all messing up my regular schedule :) [05:51] bschaefer: excellent news! do you have any interaction with the debian maintainer? as he's upstream, I think he should be the contact point, and then, we "just" sync :) [05:51] awwwww [05:52] I've got this ready for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/transmission/transmission-2.33/+merge/68936 [05:52] didrocks: Yup, I am pretty sure I handled everything he wanted changed [05:52] didrocks: So just some more testing and then everything should sync up haha [05:52] bschaefer: excellent, tell me when he takes the patch upstream, then, I'll just sync ubuntu to his version [05:52] :-) [05:52] didrocks: Alright! [05:52] bschaefer: thanks again for your tremendous work there! [05:53] didrocks: No problem is was very fun acutally doing applied Formal Language instead of pure theory haha [05:54] heh, I don't know enough about xapian to qualify hacking on it is "fun" or not :) [05:55] haha, yeah some of the code was pretty rough to read. That's why I just wanted to Lexer to handle the CJK [05:55] but he wanted the parser too so I had to read up on the lemon parser generator then it was pretty easy to insert code [05:57] hum, about this parser generator… It's like if you were talking chinese to me [05:57] which is totally in the context though :-) [05:58] Haha yeah. I wish I knew at lease the semantics to any of the CJK languages [06:45] good morning everyone [06:46] hey chrisccoulson! [06:46] how was your week-end? [06:47] hey didrocks. yeah, it was good thanks. how about you? [06:47] chrisccoulson: was too short, but fine :-) [06:47] yeah, i know that feeling :) [06:47] heh! [06:47] thunderbird wanted to give me a day off [06:48] I started it, and again, no treeview on the left [06:48] restarting it hasn't done anything [06:48] same error as before? [06:48] i had to reboot my session (no upgrade nothing) [06:48] yeah [06:48] and then, it was ok [06:48] hmmm :/ [06:48] seems quite fragile, I haven't done any update since Friday [06:49] no extension upgrades or installs? [06:49] now it's ok, but not that nice for users if they start and "where are my emails" :p [06:49] nothing at all, I generally boot, and then, do my upgrade [06:49] (after finishing the "morning backlog reading" [06:49] )* [06:50] do you think that those kinds of errors are only triggered by large mailbox? [06:50] i wouldn't have thought so [06:50] it's going to be a fun week :) [06:51] chrisccoulson: why? :-) [06:51] trying to figure out what's going on ;) [06:52] chrisccoulson: oh, you meant s/week/cycle-from-now-and-for-ever-debugging-thunderbird-issues then? :) [07:08] good morning, world [07:08] good morning desrt [07:08] didrocks, tkamppeter had the same issue as you on friday btw [07:08] this one is going to cause me to lose some sleep ;) [07:09] chrisccoulson: you mean, I'm not the only poor sool? [07:09] :) [07:09] soul* [07:09] hey desrt [07:10] word up [07:10] dbarth: g'morn [07:18] chrisccoulson: oh, you will take my long nights on evolution, but that's only because you wanted it! :) [07:18] Morning, all! [07:22] desrt: hi Ryan [07:32] Sweetshark: hihi [07:39] hey Sweetshark! [08:12] seb128: trying to fix the eventfd mess properly today [08:13] hey desrt [08:13] desrt, ok [08:13] i'm writing a clean and easily-unit-testable abstraction for "give me something that i can use to wake up a poll in another thread" [08:13] with unix pipe, eventfd and windows semaphore implementation [08:13] will help avoid the #ifdef ratsnest in gmainloop and gcancellable [08:14] * desrt is at the write-the-tests part [08:26] robert_ancell, hey [08:27] robert_ancell, how are you? [08:27] robert_ancell, do you want the unity greeter to be default for alpha3? [08:37] hey seb128 [08:37] hello chrisccoulson [08:38] chrisccoulson, how are you? [08:38] seb128, how are you? [08:38] chrisccoulson, I was just looking at your bluez bug [08:38] i'm good thanks [08:38] chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks [08:38] seb128, yeah, i was going to just upload bluez, but i can't upload it ;) [08:38] now in the desktop set? [08:38] not [08:38] it's not [08:38] it's weird, we had a diff not building that part because it was moved to udev [08:38] this bluetooth problem has been bugging me for weeks [08:39] it got moved back to bluez now? [08:39] seb128, yeah, it's been deleted entirely from udev [08:39] ok, fair enough [08:39] chrisccoulson, I can sponsor it for you but could you email cjwatson about getting it added to the desktop set? [08:40] seb128, yeah, can do. do you think it's appropriate for the desktop set? [08:40] yes [08:40] in practice nobody out of desktop worked on it for years [08:40] it seems what i really need to do is complete my application for core-dev ;) [08:40] so if we do the actual work we can as well have the actual rights to do it [08:40] that as well [08:45] RAOF, hey [08:45] seb128: Ho! [08:45] RAOF, how are you? [08:45] desrt: hi hi [08:45] seb128: A bit cold. Apart from that, pretty good :) [08:45] great [08:46] RAOF, I was wondering if you had a practical issue with the gnome-keyring SRU out of the fact that it modifies a session component [08:46] desrt: it seems we have some issues with change notifications of dconf properties using dconf-qt from QML on Oneiric [08:46] RAOF, seems your "doesn't apply for a SRU" make some users not happy ;-) [08:46] seb128: Mostly that it's a borderline SRU - it didn't seem to have a sufficiently high reward:risk ratio. [08:47] ie: It seemed to be annoying on boot, but not after that, and not that annoying. [08:47] RAOF, some people have to enter their password 5 times on login and disagree with you [08:48] They'd be even less happy if the upload broke the cryptography, or caused the keyring to not work at all, or… [08:49] That patch looked pretty safe and sane, though. [08:49] right, that was going to be my point [08:49] the patch is shipped in GNOME3, oneiric and we have proposed [08:49] we can let it a few weeks in proposed if we can solid testing [08:49] As I said, it looked borderline to me. I'm prepared to be convinced that there's a higher reward than I estimated. [08:50] well I know it's one of the first things pgoodall talked to me about at UDS about natty [08:50] Kaleo: which types of properties? [08:51] RAOF, seems it's a pretty annoying bugs for lot of people and a bit of a show stopper to "sell" Ubuntu [08:52] RAOF, it still is mostly cosmetic but having to enter your password 5 times seems to bother users who want to enter it 0 times a lot ;-) [08:52] :) [08:52] RAOF, well I just wanted to made a point for it, I will not push further or force any decision ;-) [08:57] They're always going to have to enter their password at least once, which kinda makes autologin something we shouldn't actually allow. It does suck, though. [08:57] desrt: right now I am struggling with a string [08:57] desrt: it works fine on Natty though [08:58] RAOF, right, or we should call it unsecure and set an empty keyring password as well [08:58] Kaleo: very odd.... [08:58] Kaleo: a backtrace could be helpful [08:58] seb128: That would also work. [08:58] desrt: yeah [08:58] desrt: right now my Oneiric machine died [08:59] desrt: though it's trivial to reproduce [08:59] desrt: http://pastebin.com/qbUrFyRv [08:59] seb128: I'll think it over again. [09:00] Kaleo: i do not presently have the means to run that [09:00] Kaleo: please get me a backtrace when you can [09:00] desrt: it's going to be hard for you to fix if you cannot run it :) [09:00] RAOF, thanks, no hurry to decide on it don't worry, I will comment on the bug to say that the issue is mostly cosmetic and the patch on a key session components so something that's not trivial to change in a stable update [09:00] Kaleo: i was hoping you would fix it :) [09:02] \msg njpatel, Hello and good morning for you. [09:02] bschaefer, hey hey [09:02] haha opps [09:02] njpatel I had a quick question about a Makefile.mk in Xapian [09:03] njpatel: Olly wanted me to add the cjk-tokenizer.h in there but I see two places to put it [09:04] bschaefer, will have to see the file, one sec [09:04] yeah I was pulling it up haha [09:05] bschaefer, which directory in xapian? [09:05] xapian-core/queryparser [09:06] bschaefer, is the header needed by users of xapian or only internally? [09:06] only internal [09:06] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/xapian/cjk-support-patch/view/head:/xapian-core/queryparser/Makefile.mk [09:07] I put it in the noinst_HEADERS but I saw Mikkel put a header file in the lib_src section also [09:07] bschaefer, I think noinst_HEADERS is fine [09:08] njpatel: alright, I also finish merging the CJK tokenizer into the CFG/Parser sooo hopefully he will like it haha [09:09] bschaefer, excellent [09:09] just trying to get the finishing touches on it to make another patch haha [09:12] desrt: I'm sure you are really eager to add that to dconf-qt http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/02_link_again_dconf_dbus.patch :) [09:12] GunnarHj, hi [09:13] GunnarHj, just for info pitti is on holidays for 2 weeks [09:13] GunnarHj, so better to ask review from ubuntu-desktop as well rather than blocking on him [09:15] didrocks: i've already been carrying that patch for a white [09:15] it's been on master for at least 20 seconds now [09:15] seb128: Hi Sebastien, thanks for letting me know; suspected that when I noticed he isn't logged in here. [09:16] maybe more like 1 minute now that i think again :) [09:16] desrt: waow, time goes so fast! :) [09:17] seb128: Thought I'd ask you for help later today, since my latest idea involves multiple packages. Hope that's ok. [09:18] GunnarHj, sure, seems another things worth an email to the ubuntu-desktop list [09:19] GunnarHj, rodrigo works on the control center upstream and has been working on the region code so he would be good to talk to [09:19] GunnarHj, today is an holiday is spain though, he will be back tomorrow [09:20] seb128: Yeah, I had planned to talk to Rodrigo as well. Possibly a mail list topic, not sure yet... [09:22] ok [09:22] didrocks, btw new zg in debian, do you want to take the .1 update and reverse the raptor build-depends to the old version while you are at it? [09:22] seb128: I commented on the sync request RainCT commented on and assigned it to doko [09:23] opened* [09:23] hum, ok [09:23] I would just reverse the build-depends in a -1~oneiric and tell doko to sync once he fixes the raptor issue [09:24] but your call [09:24] i.e I would fix zg now and block the sync on doko rather than blocking the fix on doko [09:24] seb128: can do as well, for sure [09:24] well your call [09:25] depends how much the breakage annoys the zg guys [09:25] it might take a bit before doko has time for that [09:25] especially if he's to debconf [09:31] yeah, let's do that === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [09:41] seb128: happy patch pilot day! :-) [09:41] didrocks, thanks ;-) [09:42] mvo__, hey [09:43] mvo__, I'm having software-properties issues ;-) [09:44] Traceback (most recent call last): [09:44] File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/softwareproperties/gtk/SoftwarePropertiesGtk.py", line 641, in on_isv_source_toggled [09:44] self.backend.ToggleSourceUse(str(source_entry)) [09:44] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/dbus/proxies.py", line 143, in __call__ [09:44] **keywords) [09:44] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/dbus/connection.py", line 630, in call_blocking [09:44] message, timeout) [09:44] dbus.exceptions.DBusException: com.ubuntu.SoftwareProperties.PermissionDeniedByPolicy: com.ubuntu.softwareproperties.applychanges [09:44] mvo__, when tried to toggle a ppa in "other softwares" tab [09:45] seb128: ok, I check it. but you did do a successful auth? [09:45] mvo__, it didn't ask me to auth [09:46] seb128: is the policykit agent running? [09:46] mvo__, hum, seems not [09:46] is there a way to disable the message indicator for thunderbird ? It is the same than xchat and I miss most of the pings on irc. [09:47] mvo__, ok, that's it, sorry for the noise [09:50] mvo: works great once it's running ;-) [09:58] seb128, yeah, been working like crazy trying to get everything finished, two weekends in a row :) [09:59] seb128, so yes, I'm just packaging the new version now - are you guys ok supporting it? [09:59] robert_ancell, ok [09:59] robert_ancell, yeah, supporting broken upstream code drop is our job :p [09:59] hrm, network is really unstable today [09:59] seb128: did you get my last question about the agent? [09:59] seb128, I really wanted to get it released last week, but the usual software issues crept up on me [09:59] robert_ancell, but yeah don't worry about eventual issues we will deal with those [10:00] brb, just checking the package works [10:00] robert_ancell, is there anything we can do to help you get the new version out? [10:00] mvo, it was not running indeed, works once it's started [10:00] seb128, I'll tell you in one minute :) [10:00] seb128: can we fix this please, like with a auto-restart flag in the desktop file ;) [10:01] mvo, there is one, I'm just on partial update with a gnome which knows about Unity as a desktop value and with a .desktop which has OnlyShowIn=GNOME [10:02] i.e stupid issue on my side [10:02] need to get the update which added Unity to the OnlyShowIn [10:02] eh, so … it used to be possible to use try: except: with pygtk, if I try "try: Gio.Settings("something") except: something" my app does not catch any exception but instead runs into a GLib-GIO-ERROR. what is the way to do it in the new-world-order? [10:02] seb128: great, thanks [10:02] mvo, what are you trying to do? [10:03] mvo, g_settings_new used to call abort on missing schemas, that's fixed in the glib update that is pending upload [10:03] mvo, if the issue you are trying to fix is deal with missing schemas [10:07] seb128: yeah, that is the issue [10:07] mvo, it took only 2 years to convince desrt ;-) [10:08] well, its fine to have a exception in this case … [10:08] but not a unhandlable one [10:08] well they say it's part of the installation and that if it's not installed your install is corrupted [10:08] in the same way that the binary could be corrupted [10:09] so there is no real point to try to deal with it out of stopping [10:19] didrocks: ping, brasero's done https://code.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar/brasero/unity-launcher-integration/+merge/68940 [10:22] cdbs: nice! I'll have a look shortly :) [10:23] didrocks: yeah, I've just updated the branch, a moment ago, if you have downloaded it already then pull it up :) [10:26] cdbs: the code looks good. However, I have no cd burner right now to test it, can you pease subscribe the sponsoring list as well? [10:27] didrocks, do you need testing with a real drive to see it makes the right calls? [10:27] seb128: not sure, maybe it can work creating an iso from another iso in brasero, I never tried if it's even possible with brasero [10:29] didrocks, ignore me, I though it was static .desktop lists, I've read the diff now [10:29] no worry :) [10:29] didrocks, recording a directory to an iso should work I think but i'm not sure ;-) [10:30] seb128: oh, isn't it your patch pilot day? ;-) [10:30] didrocks, indeed ;-) can have a look after lunch if you want [10:30] excellent, thanks seb128 :-) [10:30] robert_ancell, I guess the half an hour before coming back is not a good sign for the new version? [10:30] still trying to figure out those qml non updating on dconf change [10:30] didrocks, yw ;-) [10:31] seb128, heh, it's a bad sign for the unity greeter, I'll fix that tomorrow [10:31] robert_ancell, does current gtk greater let you log in if you have no .dmrc or a protected user directory? ;-) [10:32] robert_ancell, if it does I think we are fine for a3, though it would still better to not break the unity greeter for those who run it [10:39] seb128, I haven't tested that yet, it probably is still broken, will look at it tomorrow [10:39] robert_ancell, ok, there is a one liner patch on the bug which is assigned to you [10:39] robert_ancell, it's a check for a null value [10:40] seb128, the new package is in lp, could you test it? Unity greeter users will revert to the GTK+ greeter, I'll upload a fixed unity-greeter package tomorrow [10:40] robert_ancell, ok, do you need feedback now, or should I just play with it today and drop you an email to say how it went? [10:40] seb128, yeah, I saw the bug go by, but I've just been sprinting to get the 0.9 release out, only just got back to looking at bugs === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [10:41] seb128, I think if we're going to change to it for A3 we should do it with at least one day of testing. I'm happy to upload it right now, but a second opinion would be good [10:41] robert_ancell, ok, let me build it ;-) [10:48] mvo, ping [10:48] this com.ubuntu.systemservice - does it only appear when there is something to report ? [10:48] currently i have set up a watch on its dbus name [10:49] when it appears I will check the rebootrequired method [10:49] robert_ancell, brb with new lightdm [10:52] mvo, I need though more information about this systemservice (because i can't see it through d-feet right now) [10:53] i presume because i don't need to restart [10:56] seb128, good news? [10:56] re [10:56] robert_ancell, no [10:56] I had to use gdm to log in [10:56] lightdm switched me to the gtk greater [10:57] it let me enter my login and password and then seems to start loading the session for a second and send me back to the greeter [10:57] seb128, can you paste the log? [10:58] which on? lightdm.log? [10:58] yup [10:58] robert_ancell, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/651688/ [10:59] "[+38.68s] DEBUG: Adding session authority to /home/seb128/.Xauthority [10:59] [+38.68s] WARNING: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory." [10:59] robert_ancell, ^ I wonder if those are my logging try [10:59] yes, it looks like it [11:15] robert_ancell, can I help debugging it in some way? [11:15] could you touch ~/.Xauthority and see if that makes a difference? [11:15] I'm fixing up the GError code, damn this is easier in Vala... [11:17] trying [11:17] robert_ancell, is there a way to start a lightdm in xephyr or something from my session? [11:18] there's --test-mode, but you can't run a xephyr and have it register with lightdm (this release) [11:23] robert_ancell, with a .Xauthority it starts [11:23] seb128, ok, interesting the regression tests don't pick that one up [11:23] robert_ancell, I got keyring unlocking prompt after login so dunno if the pam integration got buggy with the new version or what's going on [11:23] I get that too... it doesn't happen in GDM? [11:23] no [11:24] it didn't happen in lightdm before the update either [11:24] mvo_: did you see my questions above ? [11:28] mvo_, pinga ring ? [11:32] robert_ancell, the new lightdm works fine on my nb btw, with or without a .Xauthority, dunno what's the difference [11:32] ok, that is weird... [11:32] robert_ancell, dunno if that's to be with my user being on ecryptfs on my laptop [11:33] are you logged in on a terminal and keeping the home dir open? [11:33] yes === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [11:34] robert_ancell, brb doing another testing without Xauthority on this box [11:41] robert_ancell, re under a guest session [11:41] so lightdm refuses to let my user in after a fresh reboot [11:41] sebguest, hey, can you reproduce it? [11:41] switching to a vt and login in shows my user dir has a .Xauthority from now [11:41] i.e time I tried to log in [11:41] which is non null [11:42] sebguest, does it occur for users without encrypted dirs? [11:42] robert_ancell, yes, happens on a fresh boot on my laptop [11:42] robert_ancell, is there any way I can go back to the greeter to try to log with another user? [11:43] or should I log out of my guest session? [11:43] the indicator user switching doesn't do anything [11:43] sebguest, open d-feet, and go to org.freedesktop.DisplayManager.Seat0 [11:43] and run SwitchToGreeter() [11:44] robert_ancell, ok, my test user works [11:44] so seems limited to my ecryptfs main account [11:44] let me ecryptfs an user on my nb to see if that bug as well [11:49] wth? [11:49] I can log in with my user by switching to the greeter now [11:49] brb [11:59] re [11:59] robert_ancell, ok, sorry for the delay [11:59] robert_ancell, so yeah, same think on my nb with a test user [11:59] np, I tried an encrypted user and had the same problem [12:00] it's somewhat ecryptfs specific [12:03] robert_ancell, ok, anyway I'm set up to debug on my nb as well now but I guess if you get the issue you can as well directly debug ;-) [12:03] yeah, I'm scratching my head though [12:03] good morning [12:04] hey cyphermox [12:04] hey seb128 [12:04] robert_ancell, it's weird I managed to log in a few times but I can't find steps to make it work or if that's random [12:05] like before it worked when I switched to the greeter with d-feet and tried to log in but it doesn't do it now [12:05] seb128, I think it's the home dir not getting mounted, perhaps there's a race [12:06] robert_ancell, but I can confirm the pam keyring integration being broken on any user, ecryptfs or not [12:06] not sure if that could be the same bug [12:10] ronoc: hey, I did not see your question, I have a bit of network trouble today [12:10] mvo__, no worries, could you send me details via email the system service dbus interface, so as i can code it up. [12:10] mvo__, i need to grab some lunch [12:10] seb128, ok, I won't chase that red herring [12:10] mvo__, bbiab [12:11] ronoc: sure [12:11] mvo__, thanks [12:11] mvo__, does it only appear on the bus if a restart is required ? [12:12] ronoc: its a auto start service, one way is to query it after a transaction of aptdaemon, but I guess I can actually add something into aptdaemon so that you can check after a finished aptdaemon transaction if a reboot is required [12:12] ronoc: does that sound easier? [12:13] hello mvo__ what do you need? [12:13] mvo__, I was going to put a dbus watcher in place for it whereby once it appears on the bus I will query it. but yes it would be easier if I get all i need from the apt dbus interface [12:14] mvo__, I have the watcher in place though [12:14] so its okay as is, i'm assuming I will need to watch for that name appearing onthe bus [12:14] when it appears query for a systemrestart [12:14] simple as that i hope [12:14] mvo__, ^ === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [12:17] glatzor: a property/information if a restart is required after the transaction finished. wdyt? [12:17] mvo__, yep property changed signal would be just grand [12:17] ronoc: eaiest is to simply ask after each transaction if a reboot is required, but I will talk with glatzor about that now too [12:18] ronoc: have lunch first :) afterwards we should have something worked out :) [12:18] ok i'll hold off and work on something else [12:18] mvo__, perfect I'm starving :) [12:20] mvo__, how do you want to get the information from the system? the old stamp file mechanism? or by using a package white list? [12:22] glatzor: yeah, the good old stamp file, if its not there before the transaction but there after, we know it got created [12:23] glatzor: not sure if its worthwhile to carry "no-reboot, new-reboot-notification, already-existing-reboot-notification". or if there should simply be a "restart recommended" property in the transaction if we find the file [12:23] glatzor: its on /var/run and should be safe to reply on [12:24] didrocks, around [12:25] seif: on debugging stuff right now :) [12:25] didrocks, why do i have an ugly "me indicator" besdie the session one [12:25] seif: define "ugly" :) [12:27] didrocks, http://imgur.com/tXh7u [12:27] mvo__, why do you want to put it into the transaction at all? [12:27] mvo__, we cannot make any predections if the file will be created during the transaction [12:27] seif: yeah, the portrait doesn't look anything like you, :-) [12:27] seif: if you see your name, it means that you have more than one user on your computer [12:28] and the icon :P [12:28] jbicha, yeah i thnk i am fluffier :P [12:28] glatzor: not before, but when it finished, we know. well, it does not have to be in it, it would just be a convinient way for the apps to show a reboot-recommended msg if needed and without the need to query another interface [12:29] should we add a property to org.debian.aptdaemon? [12:29] didrocks, what about the icon [12:29] seif: not sure about it, better to talk to John/mpt about it :) [12:30] glatzor: hm, that is a nice idea [12:30] hi there glatzor [12:30] mpt, is this normal http://imgur.com/tXh7u [12:31] or do i have something wrong installed [12:31] could someone please fix bug 798951 [12:31] hello mpt! [12:31] Launchpad bug 798951 in gnome-panel "Applications menu fails to open due to change to /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/798951 [12:31] seif, yes. [12:31] seif, it follows the spec at least. [12:31] mpt: which spec? [12:32] jbicha, for the device menu and user menu. I'll see if I have permission to make it public now that it has been implemented. [12:33] desrt: ah, so got a reproducible test case for some fun with qm and dconf-qt. So, if you take this qml file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/651733/ [12:33] desrt: all is fine if you try to change the value with gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri "file:///usr/share/backgrounds/Fabric_by_Just_Jeanette.jpg" for instance [12:33] glatzor: do you want to go ahead with it or should I give it a go and propose a merge? [12:33] not trying to stir up trouble, but private design is annoying [12:33] desrt: if you try with g-c-c, I get: process 31085: type invalid 0 not a basic type [12:34] desrt: dconf-editor is working though, no idea of what g-c-c can do differently in the gsettings/dconf level? === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [12:34] it's hard to tell what's already been decided and what's still open to getting bugs and improvements [12:34] didrocks: maybe g-c-c is doing multiple sets [12:35] which causes the change signal to arrive differently [12:35]