[00:46] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, IDK, is ubuntu.media.mit.edu broke?
[00:47] <Shadow__X> tried another one and had the same issues
[00:49] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, did you try the official mirrors?
[00:49] <Shadow__X> no but i will now
[00:49] <tgm4883> I'll check my 10.04 machine
[00:49] <tgm4883> yep seems to work for me
[00:50] <tgm4883> i'm using ubuntu.osuosl.org
[00:50] <Shadow__X> main server works fine
[00:50] <Shadow__X> is that fast?
[00:51] <Shadow__X> my biggest issue are the slow servers that do not max out my connection
[00:52] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, could be something wrong with those other servers right now
[00:52] <tgm4883> I'd bet they get fixed in the next 24 hours
[00:52] <tgm4883> ubuntu.osuosl.org works fast for me, but might be because it's in the same state as me (oregon)
[00:52] <Shadow__X> how fast is your mirror for you
[00:55] <Shadow__X> why are the list of updates when i use update manager different than when i run apt-get upgrade?
[00:56] <Shadow__X> apt-get upgrade is holding back kernel linux image and mythplugins
[00:56] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, they shouldn't be different, although depending on which update list it is working with I can see it being different for a short time (if the repo isn't in sync)
[00:56] <Shadow__X> i shouldnt have to run dist-upgrade to get those packages do i? I also dont want to upgrade past 10.04 yet
[00:56] <Shadow__X> i did apt-get update then upgrade
[00:56] <tgm4883> yes you would need to run dist-upgrade, it's important to know what dist-upgrade does versus just upgrade
[00:57] <tgm4883> dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade to the next distribution
[00:57] <Shadow__X> it doesnt? thats how i have upgraded before
[00:57] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, no it doesn't, are you sure that is how you upgraded before? And if so, how exactly did you get that to upgrade you?
[00:58] <tgm4883> The only way that could upgrade you to the next distro release is if you changed your sources.list file
[00:58] <Shadow__X> hmm maybe i did that then
[00:59] <tgm4883> the difference between upgrade vs dist-upgrade is that upgrade doesn't have permission to add or remove packages (ie. new dependencies or conflicts) where dist-upgrade does have that permission
[00:59] <tgm4883> that is why you will see packages being "held-back"
[00:59] <Shadow__X> not bad apt said i pulled around 6.6MB/sec for your mirror
[00:59] <Shadow__X> right i gotcha
[00:59] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, another way to get quicker installs/updates is to use multiple mirrors
[00:59] <Shadow__X> i found this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/apt-get-question-dist-upgrade-vs-upgrade-219920/
[00:59] <Shadow__X> so it can do parallel downloads?
[00:59] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, yes
[01:00] <Shadow__X> oh ok how would i go about doing that
[01:00] <tgm4883> oh wow, that thread is interesting
[01:01] <tgm4883> It might have worked that way in 2004, when the thread was started. But not now. I see someone brought that back from the dead 7 years later
[01:01] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, you would need to edit sources.list and duplicate the list, then manually change the duplicates to another mirror
[01:01] <Shadow__X> ah could that introduce other issues?
[01:01] <tgm4883> I don't usually recommend doing it though, as once you are setup there isn't much necessary for super fast downloads of packages
[01:02] <tgm4883> hmm
[01:02] <Shadow__X> also how much space do you think it would take to create a local mirror?
[01:02] <tgm4883> Depending if the mirrors weren't in sync, since they would be hosting the same packages it could cause dependency issues
[01:02] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, a complete local mirror?
[01:03] <Shadow__X> according to this just under 400gb
[01:03] <tgm4883> A complete local mirror takes about 425 GB
[01:03] <Shadow__X> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[01:03] <Zinn> [wiki.ubuntu.com] Mirrors - Ubuntu Wiki
[01:03] <Shadow__X> thats honestly less than i would of though
[01:03] <Shadow__X> thought*
[01:03] <tgm4883> yea thats about what it took when I did mine
[01:03] <tgm4883> do you have a lot of systems you need to update?
[01:03] <Shadow__X> you have a local mirror?
[01:03] <tgm4883> I use too, but I didn't like having one
[01:03] <Shadow__X> lol well as of right now i have 2 ubuntu servers
[01:04] <Shadow__X> and 2 OI servers
[01:04] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, might be better to use squid-deb-proxy
[01:04] <tgm4883> it's what I use now
[01:04] <Shadow__X> hmm yeah i have a dual p3 1ghz box but the issue is it uses more power than getting a i3 machine would
[01:05] <Shadow__X> do you have any recommendations on what would be useful for a dual 1ghz p3 machine with 2gb of ecc ram?
[01:05] <tgm4883> IMHO, The only benefit of having a local mirror is if you are installing new packages all the time
[01:14] <Shadow__X> hmm yeah which i am not
[01:16] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, so I say set up squid-deb-proxy and then it will cache the packages locally that you need
[01:16] <Shadow__X> yeah that may not be a bad idea
[01:17] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: any suggestions on what to do with the dual p3?
[01:18] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, minecraft server?
[01:18] <tgm4883> you could have it transcode stuff
[01:18] <tgm4883> or make it a ripping station, IDK
[01:18]  * tgm4883 dinner
[01:18] <Shadow__X> hmm yeah and ok enjoy
[01:18] <Shadow__X> thanks for the help