[01:16] anyone know how to make gnome terminal work with tabs but not switch between them with alt+number ? [01:21] deleting all the short cuts worked, but seems the wrong way of doing it [06:28] confusing the life out of myself with routing this morning. connecting to my vps with ptppd. I can resolve & reach (e.g.) google.com. I know I'm reaching it because I get a '301 Moved Permanently' sending me to www.google.com, and then a 302 Found sending me onwards to www.google.co.uk. so data is getting back to me [06:29] but I can't load any pages at all. wget hangs on 'awaiting response' [06:52] Aloha [06:54] Morning [07:00] Morning [07:12] hm. should probably leave messing with iptables until I get home :/ [07:12] morning [07:12] o/ [07:14] o/ [07:16] rather annoying. don't think I've touched iptables / ufw since I used pptp last. it just doesn't work anymore :/ [07:28] * daubers waits for the SEB man to turn up [07:43] Morning all [07:48] morning all [07:51] hello [07:58] Good morning you Monday people :) [08:04] WTF is going on, it's manic at work, thought it was supposed to be the summer hols [08:04] meter changed [08:05] People are trying to get as much done before they are forced to take time off with their children [08:24] * MooDoo hugs czajkowski as she sounds on a downer x [08:54] it's quiet in here, everyone on holiday? [08:54] it's monday....everyone is probably either still in bed or snowed under [08:55] * hoover 's playing a game of nethack [08:55] the first time in ages [08:55] DL7 in the Gnomish Mines ATM [08:55] i was working this weekend for a powerdown/powerup..had lots of issues and feeling rather weary today [08:56] oimon, sounds like you need a kip [08:56] i'm at work again [08:56] taking wednesday off for my trouble [08:56] SAN failed to update and some switches failed [08:56] I was on call over the weekend, got woken up 3:30 on Sun. morning by a full /var FS 8-P [08:56] how annoying [08:57] webserver? [09:03] na, customers ftp server [09:03] 1GB /var fs... skanky. ;-) [09:04] Why have /var on a partition? [09:05] If it's a high-write area, it makes sense to have it on a seperate disc [09:05] so logs dont fill up / [09:05] also, if logfiles fill your /...yes as popey said [09:06] not necessary on desktop PC, but very necessary on servers [09:07] morning eveyrone. [09:07] mornin brobostigon, hi bigcalm [09:08] mmorning hoover [09:08] Howdy hoovie :) [09:08] mmorning bigcalm [09:08] Hullo brobostigon :) [09:08] I wonder if I can get Mondays off from now until the end of time [09:09] * bigcalm slumps with his coffee [09:09] biggie, are you on google plus? [09:09] hoover: http://cuth.eu/+ [09:10] thx done ;-) [09:10] :D [09:11] :) [09:14] [oimon] Remove windows tax before purchase..save £64 - http://oimon.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/remove-windows-tax-before-purchase-save-64/ [09:14] AlanBell: poke yamatt on irc about camping at oggcamp pls [09:16] 3 weeks to go! [09:16] OMG [09:17] * MooDoo really wanted to go to that :( [09:17] MooDoo: plan for next year! [09:19] OggCamp 100 [09:21] bigcalm, yeah i'll have to do that. [09:21] they have already booked the campsite popey, about 20 people [09:22] so i hear [09:24] oooo never thought of camping :) that's a cool idea [09:25] my dad is in farnham and my in-laws are in guildford :D [09:28] * StevenR wonders how to find the dell n series laptops [09:31] StevenR: it's possible that they exist too, but you have to ask :-\ [09:32] oimon: so nothing on the website? [09:33] i think regional dell sites have the choice to display what they want on the site, however it doesn't mean they don't sell them :) [09:33] UK site is notorious for it [09:34] oimon: yeah :/ not that I really need a new laptop yet :) [09:37] * MooDoo just noticed a small crack on his laptops display :( [09:40] MooDoo: :( still in warranty? [09:41] oimon, no about 3/4 years old......it's not bad crack, just something to watch out for [09:48] MooDoo: a minor defect on your laptop, you know what that means? [09:48] New laptop time! [09:48] * popey wonders what laptop sabdfl would recommend for Ubuntu :D [09:50] * MooDoo is thinking of going to popey route...mac [09:51] Don't do it man [09:51] popey, don't recommend macs then? [09:51] Depends [09:51] Macs are great if you want to run OSX [09:51] :q [09:51] oops [09:51] Less great if you want to run Free software OSs [09:52] I would recommend buying the exact same model sabdfl or silbs has [09:53] bugs get attention [09:53] * daubers is bored of laptops [09:53] i quite happily run ubuntu on my mbp [09:53] * daubers wants a desktop that is integrated into his desk [09:53] get one thats integrated into your legs [09:54] without the 'top' then [09:54] popey: I'm not Kevin Warwick :) [09:54] daubers, one like he had in the original trol? [09:54] tron? [09:55] MooDoo: That would be cool, but not good for your neck [09:55] * brobostigon wants a monitor, the size of a wall. [09:55] * MooDoo just wants a desktop pc, had enough with just a laptop [09:56] btw anyone running natty in classic mode? bug 735070 is really annoying me! [09:56] Launchpad bug 735070 in software-center (Ubuntu) "When installing programs in Software Center, extra debconf window occasionally appears" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735070 [09:57] wonder if it affects everyone [09:58] I think the best PC would be a big desktop somewhere, with the input device as a wireless tablet, like the new Nintendo console has [09:58] that would be _amazing_ [09:59] brb lunch [10:00] mmm elevenses.. === LjL-Temp` is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest8679 [10:08] morning people how was the weekend? [10:08] davmor2, morning buddy, busy but pleasant [10:08] MooDoo: How's wifey? [10:09] A friend of mine says " If anyone knows any good windows admins in Reading who are looking for alternative employment, we've got a couple of positions open" [10:09] followed by another friend who says "The only good Windows admin is a..." [10:09] oneiric is glitchy but my god the finished product will be much better than natty [10:09] davmor2, she's ok..... [10:10] MooDoo: good,good :) [10:10] "alternative employment" sounds scary [10:10] gord: just means different to the employment you are in [10:10] gord: espescially combined with "a couple of positions open" [10:11] davmor2, yes i was being whimsical :P [10:11] I know I just thought I'd ruin it for you :) [10:12] gord: you got dungeon siege 3? /me is annoyed that there are no pack animals [10:12] davmor2, nope, no good co-op ruins it for me [10:14] gord: I recommend you get it for the single player mode alone when you can get it cheap, it's a really enjoyable game, although it's slower paced than things like dragon age it's a beautiful and tricky game :) [10:14] moo. [10:14] popey: I might know someone [10:15] directhex: morning good sir [10:15] directhex: are you the mono fan? [10:15] davmor2, maybe. why? /me hides from ninjas [10:17] directhex: there is a new game called spacechem in Ubuntu Software Center that runs on it I was wondering why with crappy gfx mono would use 120% of the cpu but with good gfx it would use 35-50% [10:18] directhex: I'm wondering if there is a bug in there for optimisation maybe? [10:19] davmor2, i suspect it's more likely to come from Tao, which is the library which wraps OpenGL - i.e. it's using your CPU more when you turn down the GPU detail, and using the GPU less [10:20] davmor2, it might also be a GPU driver bug - it's much smoother on my Intel laptop than FGLRX desktop [10:20] directhex: ah see now that would makes some sort of sense. [10:21] binary drivers tend to suck at 2d acceleration on linux, i would assume its trying to go down that route [10:21] directhex: possible it was using the built-in nvidia 8100 gfx which has been fine till I've had to start testing the games in USC [10:21] davmor2, i wouldn't trust an 8100 to draw more than a couple of dozen things at once [10:22] directhex: yeah I treated myself to a new amd/ati HD5450 1 gig ddr3 card on saturday much better now [10:35] docky is behaving terribly on my new machine, have now disocvered cairo dock...quite nice! [10:37] i admit to be somewhat amazed by gingerbread on my htc dream. it is so smooth and quick, it is amazing. also, with only the two google services running, over 1/2 the ram, stays free, so nice and low ram usage aswell. [10:40] brobostigon: which version number is GB? [10:40] oimon: 2.3.* [10:40] is your phone also charging quicker? [10:40] about the same. [10:41] i've noticed that since CM7 my phone charges a lot quicker ...something strange about thatr [10:41] agreed. [10:41] after a few weeks of use on CM7 i like some bits but also dislike other bits [10:43] oimon: i like that gingerbread is more battery friendly and process management is better. and also the darker themeing, it is easier on my eyes, closer to how i have gnome-terminal setup, dark background, white text. [10:44] contact management sucks a bit [10:44] compared to sense [10:45] i have never used sense in full blown, only play, for a few minutes. [10:45] i tend to use the folders alot, fo filter which kinds of contacts i see. [10:46] in sense, i can hit the phone key then start typing the name of the contact rather than the number [10:46] on the phone screen [10:46] i keep needing to reboot my phone running wp7 [10:47] um, cm7 [10:47] i calculated the other day, my battery could last, 28 hours under normal usage now, under gingerbread, which is the best of any android version, i have used upto now, on my htc dream. [10:47] random stuff stops working - e.g. screen won't update, apps with black screens, status screen won't go away, etc [10:47] oimon: ah, i see, i have a proper hw keyboard on mine, so can do that, with the standard addr book. [10:48] directhex: i have aosp gingerbread here, and have seen nothing like that behaviour. === Guest8679 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest75718 === Guest75718 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest57922 [11:03] directhex: you have a windows phone 7 phone? [11:04] Ng, i meant CM7. i won't buy into WP7 until i can transfer music on via banshee [11:04] CM7? [11:04] Ng: cyanogenmod 7. [11:04] which i can't, because microsoft decided the iphone was popular due to DRM, and decided to implement the zune's encrypted audio transfer protocol [11:04] oh [11:05] hey [11:05] I'm just curious that I don't appear to know anybody who uses winphone7 [11:05] *somebody* must have bought one, surely ;) [11:05] Ng, it's a fringe platform right now [11:05] Ng, from what i've seen on the web, it's a nice platform. but too locked down. [11:05] directhex: fringe platforms are the norm around here ;) [11:05] i know someone with an HTC phone that runs win phone, ...but he put android on it instead [11:06] oimon, has HTC put out a "runs any mobile OS" piece of hardware with windows originally since the WM6.5 based HTC HD 2? [11:06] i thinik he has the HD2 [11:07] WM6.5 has as much bearing on WP7 as openmoko does on android [11:08] :D [11:09] HTC are the only ones who even made WM6.5 remotely useful for the last couple of years of its life, by replacing pretty much every part of the ui and app stack [11:09] i've never seen a zune IRl [11:10] i will prob never see a WP7 either :P [11:10] they didn't ship zune in the uk, iirc [11:10] wp7 will get more visible when the marketing push from nokia starts [11:12] well that's an unexpected /join [11:13] not really [11:13] :-( [11:13] and :-) [11:13] oimon: You not missing much to be honest :) [11:14] i rarely see my own mp3 player tbh...stays in my pocket and never needs charging [11:14] people still have mp3 players? [11:14] wow :-P [11:14] to listen via my phone would suck too much battery [11:14] yeah. my wife is cross that the supply of good ones has dried up [11:14] hello directhex :-) [11:15] nowadays a high-end mp3 player is a phone with the phone part ripped out. which seems pointless [11:15] hah [11:16] I still use my iRiver iHP-140 on a daily basis :D [11:16] Lasted well that old clunker has. [11:16] Mostly listen to HHGTTG in bed. [11:16] hi sabdfl [11:16] i loved my iriver, but it got nicked. however my cowon iaudio is a worthy replacement [11:16] Myrtti: Yes I do it has much bigger storage than my phone and is dedicated to one task and does it brilliantly unlike some3 phones [11:17] wife has managed to demolish 3 mp3 players since we started dating [11:17] i haven't yet figure out why xchat-gnome places me in this room whenever i fire it up [11:17] but i like the chatter here so don't mind :-) [11:17] :) [11:17] could think of more unfriendly places to arrive at :) [11:17] it joins #ubuntu-GB as that is the country code and that redirects to here [11:18] oimon, imagine joining #ubuntu-fr. it's filled with the french! [11:18] moi, j'aime les francais :D [11:18] and half of Canada [11:18] davmor2: alright :-> I'd be listening to mostly audiobooks and I'm not sure if any mp3 player that I'd bother to pay for would work as well as my phone does for those [11:19] does xchat do some detection of you ip addr, and works out where you are, and then joins the relevant regional ubuntu irc room ? [11:19] sabdfl: That's cause all the cool kids hang out here so it knew you wanted to be here too :) [11:19] brobostigon: no, it is the countrycode of your locale settings [11:19] AlanBell: ah, ok. interesting. [11:19] * TheOpenSourcerer thinks it is time for lunch. Left over boeuf bourguignon, nom nom. [11:20] good plan TheOpenSourcerer :) [11:20] xchat-gnome is a sad apparatus :-( [11:20] * brobostigon gets lunch also. [11:20] i'm going to try #ubuntu-im :-) [11:20] Myrtti, we have staff using empathy for IRC. not something i encourage. [11:20] Myrtti: I think mine has a dedicated section for audio books so it would probably do that better too [11:21] just me in there :( [11:21] small island! [11:21] davmor2: does it had a pause timer? I listen to my books and podcasts in 30 min increments in bed [11:21] sabdfl: At least you'll have op's in #ubuntu-im :) [11:22] who wants to lend me some bonjela? [11:22] Myrtti: don't know I've never looked to be honest, I'll have a look at some point and get back to you [11:22] sabdfl: http://ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ there is at least one other ubuntu user there [11:23] I wish I could put two pins on that map :-/ [11:23] Myrtti: does it prevent you?? [11:24] * oimon tries to find isle of man on a map of GB :$ [11:24] * brobostigon has lashings of ginger beer. [11:24] * Myrtti tries [11:25] "Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that!" [11:25] oimon: in the Irish sea [11:26] AlanBell: found it, i was looking there but somehow looking too close to land [11:26] Myrtti: ok, I will look into that later and remove that block [11:26] * oimon looks at the other isle of man ubuntu user's twitter page [11:30] * daubers wonders if there's any libraries that do travel routing [11:39] dell have confirmed that the missing PC i had on order has been "lost" in transit and will replace [11:39] :-S [11:42] ._. [11:42] Myrtti: Yes it has a sleep function that you can set from anything from 1-120 minutes by the look of it, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CE4QFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sandisk.com%2Fmedia%2F343157%2Ffuze_um_0809_eng.pdf&rct=j&q=sansa%20fuze%20auto%20pause&ei=p1QtTrKoFtOxhQedvsSqCw&usg=AFQjCNE8NE_HW9HQPbfXyk6Z4kqur3lBRQ [11:43] Myrtti: and when ever it powers off when you switch it back on it's where it switched off [11:44] i still say someone needs to make a sound font for the kindle, that uses brian blessed's voice to read your books to you [11:44] would sell billions [11:46] GAH EVOLUTION IS RUBBISH [11:46] gord: the only problem is you'd want to hear him burst into laughter every 2 minutes would kinda ruin the book :) [11:46] daubers: is that supposed to be brian blessed? [11:46] Right click on a calender to change its pref as you got the URI wrong and it pops up a box telling you it can't connect to the calender! [11:47] daubers: no it isn't at least it shows my all my folders I had to brute force thunderbird to do the same thing [11:47] People stil use desktop email clients huh? Quaint. [11:47] davmor2: I'm racing my computer to try and click an option before it pops up a box that moves the focus [11:48] popey: Work email :) Useful to have notifications for when people who pay me money need support [11:48] daubers: I got the same thing on thunderbird, it turned out I was using the wrong google calendar link I was using the read only public one rather than the private read write one :) [11:49] i can't get used to using "applications" in a web browser, no idea why [11:50] gord, because unity does a bad job of letting them be applications? [11:50] directhex: http://meow.popey.com/ [11:50] evolution was a complete fail at calendarnig for me, thunderbird only a bit better, but still needs regular (every few days) restarts or the calendar seizes up [11:51] we actually used to have great webapp support, but there are inherent problems with the model [11:51] popey, when my chromium windows don't show up in unity as tweetdeck windows, i'll feel better [11:51] namely, that you can leave the webapp and go to google.com or something [11:51] davmor2: oh so that's one of the mp3 players I actually considered buying at one time [11:51] * daubers kicks evolution and gives up [11:52] "You are leaving this webapp, would you like to open in a new window? (Y/N) [*] Make this default" [11:52] surely thats not that hard? [11:52] how do you know you are leaving the webapp? [11:52] I've created a RAID 5 array (software raid using mdadm) with 3 drives [11:52] there is no standard for this stuff [11:52] Myrtti: also supports ogg if you do the firmware update too :) [11:52] it is now reporting "raid level 5 active with 2 out of 3 devices, algorithm 2" [11:52] gord: stop talking, fix it! [11:52] :D [11:52] does this sounds right [11:53] * gord starts yelling at web developers until they get themselves standardised [11:53] see you guys in 10 years [11:53] maybe [11:53] gord: only 10 that is optimistic [11:54] voidspace: Is it building the raid still? [11:54] web guys are the *most* standardised - they have *lots* of standards [11:54] daubers: I think so [11:54] voidspace: Can you pastebin /proc/mdstat [11:54] !pastebin [11:54] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [11:54] daubers: there is a syslog message that concerns me [11:54] daubers: DegradedArray event detected on md device /dev/md0 [11:55] voidspace: pastebin the output from "cat /proc/mdstat", that'll be more informative [11:55] daubers: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/445959/ [11:55] daubers: the UU_ concerns me [11:55] daubers: I didn't think RAID 5 had "spare" drives, but striped data [11:56] daubers: but I freely admit to not knowing what I'm talking about :-) [11:56] voidspace: It's fine :) When you generate a new raid5/6 with mdadm it crates a degraded one and then rebuilds it [11:56] voidspace: raid 5 is striped with a single parity stripe [11:56] daubers: ah, cool - that was the alternative diagnosis and I couldn't find clear information as to which one it was... [11:56] daubers: you have put my mind at ease :-) [11:56] voidspace: so 1 disk can fail and you have a lesser chance of losing data [11:56] daubers: thanks [11:56] daubers: right [11:56] voidspace: The wikipedia article on raid levels is quite good :) [11:57] daubers: hah, yeah - I tried reading that a few times... [11:58] voidspace: You heading to oggcamp? [11:58] daubers: no :-( [11:58] voidspace: Ah, I'd have been happy to go over it with you with diagrams if it helped :) bit easier in person with props [11:59] Myrtti: I can recommend it completely I've had no issues with it at all :) [11:59] daubers: yeah, that would definitely help - although the articles I read on RAID 5 showed striped parity data [11:59] daubers: but I'm quite happy to believe you [11:59] next question, how do I get my box to broadcast (or be available on the network) by name? [11:59] I can ssh in by ip address but not by name [11:59] voidspace: The parity is striped in raid5, it's not in raid3 (you have 2 parity stripes in raid6) [12:00] daubers: right, so the parity data is striped across all the drives? [12:01] voidspace: yep [12:01] daubers: right, so what does the UU_ from mdstat mean? [12:01] voidspace: That means that it's a degraded array (missing the last disk) [12:01] daubers: right, but for a new array it's still normal [12:01] voidspace: As above, thats because a new raid set is generated as a degraded one and then rebuilt by mdadm [12:02] voidspace: yes. It should go away in about an hour :) [12:02] daubers: ok, it just picks the last disk to be the degraded one [12:02] voidspace: Pretty much [12:03] daubers: any idea about my question on network name? (sorry to pick on you - but you know what the reward for being helpful is...) [12:03] voidspace: That one I don't know :) I'm not sure how the magic distributed dns voodoo works. I just have an old fashioned dns server on my network [12:03] hehe [12:04] hmm... so I can ssh into my Mac by name [12:04] I wonder if it is running a dns server? [12:05] voidspace: Might be something to do with avahi [12:05] right [12:06] does mdns is the magic bit [12:06] ParseError [12:09] voidspace: Whats the output of avahi-browse -a [12:09] pastebin it :) [12:09] well, avahi wasn't installed [12:10] voidspace: Install it and try it. It should do the magic lookups for you [12:11] daubers: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/445966/ [12:11] daubers: it hasn't completed though [12:12] daubers: interesting that the ipv4 entry is in ipv6 format [12:12] voidspace: That's the devices mac address [12:12] voidspace: I take it your apple machine is called "bigmac"? [12:12] daubers: indeed [12:12] daubers: ooh [12:12] voidspace: try "ping bigmac" [12:12] daubers: I ssh into bigmac.local [12:13] daubers: so.... [12:13] daubers: royale.local already works [12:13] :) Magic [12:13] daubers: :-) [12:13] daubers: thank you [12:13] voidspace: No probs [12:13] daubers: although I'm going to have to kill avahi-browse [12:13] voidspace: hit q [12:13] hah [12:13] SIGINT [12:14] * daubers ponders adding avahi/zeroconf magic to his storage servers [12:14] just found a bone in my chicken roll, wonder if it was placed there deliberately to make me think the chicken is real [12:15] I need to install a newer version of netatalk than available for natty [12:15] thanks for the tweetmention popey :) [12:15] there is a ppa with it here [12:15] np :D [12:15] https://launchpad.net/~bradya/+archive/netatalk/+packages [12:16] how do I install from there? [12:16] ewww, netatalk [12:16] * daubers runs [12:16] daubers: hah [12:16] voidspace: I suspect others can guide you through ppa stuff :) [12:16] daubers: only way to setup a timemachine volume on my server as far as I know [12:16] daubers: but thanks [12:18] also anyone want to help me setup LVM on my software raid array? [12:28] voidspace: http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ [12:29] :-) [12:34] * daubers wonders if he can bully his boss out of a couple of tickets to pycon :) [12:36] daubers: who do you work for? [12:36] daubers: see if you can bully them for sponsorship too... [12:36] voidspace: Unlikely that [12:36] voidspace: Only 8 of us in the company [12:37] :-) [12:47] popey: the HP Proliant Microserver needs a cable to fit anything in the optical bay drive - it seems to require a sata cable for the drive, but provides power via an IDE power socket [12:47] popey: is that right? so to fit an extra sata drive there I'd need a sata cable without power plus an IDE to sata power converter [12:48] voidspace: that sounds like it makes sense [12:48] :-) [12:49] still not sure *exactly* which cables to get [12:50] although this one looks right: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wired--Up-SATA-Power-Adapter-Cable/dp/B000ITL1PG/ [12:50] * AlanBell just ordered new broadband [12:50] fibre to the cabinet, 34 meg down, 2 meg up [12:50] £pcm ? [12:51] £16.49 [12:51] nice [12:51] voidspace: you could just go for an esata card with an internal port instead :) [12:51] davmor2: there's an external esata port [12:51] should help get the oggcamp videos up to youtube [12:51] davmor2: I could just run the cable back inside... [12:54] voidspace: try it out cheaper that messing with conversion cables it'll either be fine or it won't work then it's only cost you time :) [12:54] davmor2: the adaptor cable I just ordered cost me £0.87 including delivery... [12:54] AlanBell: who's your ISP? [12:54] ewwwwwww [12:55] the microserver has a sata port on the mobo [12:55] thats the one I use for connecting a drive in the optical bay [12:55] when I first got ADSL I went for a solid business sounding name that I could put through on expenses, they were called IC24 [12:55] popey: yeah, that's the one I'll use [12:55] a week later they rebranded to "madasafish - the friendly ISP" [12:55] lol [12:56] popey: I was kidding about using the external esata for the internal bay - that would be dumb... [12:56] popey: I'm assuming there is more than one sata port on the mb I'm offering advice on the fact that sound like voidspace has filled them all [12:56] * StevenR has FTTC too (34-36 meg down, 1.6 meg up) [12:56] I also have an esata card in one because the esata port on the microserver doesn't support port multipliers [12:56] davmor2: there isnt [12:56] but now they seem to have merged with plusnet and my new account will be a plusnet account [12:56] there is exactly one sata port on the mobo [12:56] davmor2: nah, I filled the four standard drive bays - but the optical bay is still free [12:57] you could replace the optical bay with a card reader, and boot the OS from SD card :D [12:57] AlanBell: good honest broadband from Yorkshire :) [12:57] oimon: there's also an internal USB port so you can already do that if you want... [12:57] voidspace: oh, sweet [12:57] oimon: some people do boot from flash drives... [12:57] voidspace: yes, cheap, low power and very replaceable [12:57] yeah, the internal usb port is an interesting addition [12:58] that thing has ports out the wazzoo [12:58] hahah [12:58] shame the esata doesnt do PM [12:58] the dell poweredge servers have one, and they used to sell servers with free esxi preinstalled on the usb stick [12:59] oimon: some have an SD reader instead now :) [12:59] only issue I have with my microserver is it spends a _lot_ of time in IO wait [12:59] * StevenR is considering a 4-bay SATA DAS thingy. [12:59] StevenR: I have an Edge10 one of them [13:00] works really nicely [13:00] DAS? [13:00] box with disks in :D [13:00] popey: yeah, http://www.maplin.co.uk/4-bay-terabox-esata-hdd-raid-enclosure-224358 is what I'm looking at (looks like the edge10, comes with an esata card, etc) [13:00] hamitron: Direct Attach Storage [13:01] thats the exact one I have :D [13:01] popey: :D [13:01] it certainly seems the quantity of data we have these days, is greater than the capacity of the average hdd [13:01] * StevenR has *only* 168GB left! [13:02]