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| snap-l | http://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/9135/organizing-my-collection-of-dd-3e-3-5-rulebooks | 01:54 |
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| snap-l | This is the very definition of a first world problem. | 01:54 |
| Wolfger | Morning | 11:27 |
| rick_h_ | party | 11:27 |
| Wolfger | \o/ | 11:27 |
| Wolfger | I was hoping it would be a party day | 11:27 |
| rick_h_ | actually more sore from the weekend party vs a party day | 11:28 |
| Wolfger | LOL | 11:28 |
| Wolfger | I hate those "sore from the weekend" parties | 11:28 |
| brousch | no more details please, it's too early for that kind of thing | 11:32 |
| Wolfger | was there lube involved? I bet there wasn't... :-D | 11:32 |
| * Wolfger blames brousch for that comment | 11:33 | |
| brousch | bad | 11:33 |
| brousch | bad bad bad | 11:33 |
| Wolfger | it's awesome, because both "yes" and "no" are bad answers to give... rick_h_ seems to have realized this and taken the safe option of ignoring it completely. Party pooper. | 11:37 |
| brousch | speaking of lube | 11:40 |
| brousch | good morning, snap-l | 11:40 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 12:51 |
| snap-l | Just finished mowing the front and back lawns this fine morning | 12:52 |
| snap-l | I <3 my push mower | 12:52 |
| snap-l | no guilt over mowing the lawn | 12:52 |
| brousch | electric > manual | 12:53 |
| snap-l | Maybe, but with this I don't have one more thing getting in my way (cord) | 12:54 |
| snap-l | And I don't mean just physically; I also mean unravelling an extension cord would be the one more thing to keep me from mowing the lawn | 12:55 |
| Wolfger | brousch: anything else > electric lawnmower > no lawnmower | 12:55 |
| Wolfger | and I'm not sure about the last part of that statement... I might just opt to not mow if all I had was electric | 12:56 |
| snap-l | ANother satisfied customer. :) | 12:57 |
| snap-l | God, only Windows XP boot-up could make Chrome feel slow. | 12:59 |
| snap-l | ^Corporate Windows XP | 12:59 |
| snap-l | brb | 12:59 |
| jrwren | good morning | 13:13 |
| jrwren | everyone ready for next weekend? | 13:14 |
| Wolfger | indeed! | 13:14 |
| Wolfger | and the weekend after as well | 13:14 |
| Wolfger | Oh, you're talking about PyOhio, aren't you? :-p | 13:14 |
| jrwren | snap-l: you ahve one of those heavy manuals that use momentum nicely once they get going? | 13:15 |
| jrwren | snap-l: truth on coporate windows. its sick how great a well configured windows can be and just how fucked up a corporate windows can be. | 13:16 |
| === apetro is now known as apetro_disconnec | ||
| rick_h_ | damn you oreilly | 13:24 |
| jjesse | corporate windows can be setup correctly | 13:25 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It's a Fiskars push power. It's quite nice | 13:27 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: What did O'Reilly do now? | 13:28 |
| rick_h_ | got me on a deal of the day | 13:28 |
| snap-l | Oh, nice. | 13:29 |
| snap-l | Also, watched MArck of the Penguins | 13:33 |
| snap-l | Bah, March of the Penguins | 13:34 |
| snap-l | and I have to say, Penguins are motherfucking hardcore. | 13:34 |
| rick_h_ | yea, that was kind of cool | 13:39 |
| rick_h_ | even my wife loved it | 13:39 |
| Wolfger | was a cool if somewhat boring movie | 13:41 |
| Wolfger | and yeah, penguins are pretty hardcore | 13:42 |
| snap-l | Well, we weren't about to see it in the theater. | 13:42 |
| snap-l | and the hype sort of died down afterward | 13:43 |
| snap-l | But it popped up on Netflix, and we decided "why not"? | 13:43 |
| Wolfger | rick_h_: that's an interesting-sounding e-book. Drop a review on us when you're done. :-) | 13:43 |
| rick_h_ | Wolfger: sure :) | 13:44 |
| Wolfger | It's really sad that I can get a print copy of an O'Reilly book from Amazon for cheaper than the e-book version from O'Reilly | 13:47 |
| rick_h_ | huh? | 13:47 |
| rick_h_ | with the deal of the day this thing is $8 | 13:48 |
| rick_h_ | amazon's not lower, I checked | 13:48 |
| Wolfger | with the deal of the day, sure | 13:48 |
| Wolfger | Amazon isn't more than 50% less | 13:48 |
| Wolfger | :-) | 13:48 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 13:48 |
| rick_h_ | I find them usually pretty close | 13:48 |
| Wolfger | I'm looking at Learning Python and Programming Python | 13:49 |
| rick_h_ | and from Oreilly you get pdf, mobi, and epub, and you get book updates/etc | 13:49 |
| Wolfger | $40 and $52 in e-book from O'R | 13:49 |
| Wolfger | $31 and $38 in print from Ama | 13:49 |
| Wolfger | $28 and $34 for Kindle | 13:49 |
| Wolfger | there's something wrong when Amazon is cheaper than buying direct | 13:50 |
| rick_h_ | meh, called margins | 13:50 |
| Wolfger | and I won't even mention O'R's print prices | 13:51 |
| rick_h_ | yea, well we won't go there | 13:51 |
| Wolfger | it's just absurd | 13:51 |
| rick_h_ | see borders | 13:51 |
| snap-l | In case you aren't aware, printing and distributing books is expensive. :-P | 13:53 |
| snap-l | And Learning Python / Programming Python could be used to leven a three-legged table. | 13:54 |
| rick_h_ | that's what they tell me, but the e-books tend to come out pretty close to the print books in prices | 13:54 |
| rick_h_ | strange that way :P | 13:54 |
| snap-l | Well, I'm sure you'd like the author and the editor to get paid, right? | 13:55 |
| snap-l | and the lovely people who promote the book | 13:55 |
| snap-l | they also have to be slightly more expensive than print, or they'll kill off their print business | 13:55 |
| Wolfger | snap-l: yes, printing and distributing is expensive. Which is why I'm wondering how a printed and distributed via 3rd party copy of the book is cheaper than an electronic version direct from the publisher. | 13:56 |
| snap-l | and piss off that chain | 13:56 |
| snap-l | Problem is there's a dichotomy there (false or otherwise) that says that if you make one or the other cheaper, it'll canibalize the other) | 13:57 |
| jrwren | i like getting the used books from amazon. tech books for $5 is awesome. | 13:57 |
| snap-l | So, most make print their priority | 13:57 |
| snap-l | I consider O'Reilly one of the more enlightened on pricing ebooks vs. print | 13:57 |
| Wolfger | in any event, the electronic version is cheaper than the print version from the same seller... so at least *some* sense is made. | 13:57 |
| snap-l | even though they're a little high | 13:57 |
| jrwren | e.g. Programming Python... 3.99 used :) | 13:58 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Check the edition | 13:58 |
| jrwren | i know ;( | 13:58 |
| jrwren | it will be "now covers version 1.4!" | 13:58 |
| Wolfger | Yeah, that's the one problem with used | 13:58 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I've used the Apress "ebook version for $10" with Amazon's $5 used books | 13:58 |
| jrwren | ebook of the day? Think Stats? | 13:58 |
| Wolfger | I would probably buy a "Learning" book used, but a reference book that's used is being sold either because it's out of date or it just plain sucks as a reference. | 13:59 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: The Learning Python book got a lot better with this rev | 13:59 |
| snap-l | You could actually use it for reference | 14:00 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: There's also dumping that occurs with the new rev | 14:00 |
| Wolfger | snap-l: seriously? The new Learning Python is that good? I was considering skipping it. | 14:01 |
| Wolfger | Learning books are too often read once and resell. | 14:02 |
| snap-l | I'm enjoying it | 14:02 |
| snap-l | And I didn't enjoy the last revision | 14:02 |
| snap-l | I also got the ebook because my bookshelf is really full at the moment. ;) | 14:03 |
| Wolfger | I need to look through my books and figure out what to keep and what to toss/donate/sell. I have a bunch mostly collecting dust. | 14:05 |
| Wolfger | I'm saddened by the number of Java books I bought when I suddenly needed to code Java. Now I no longer have the need, and certainly not the desire. On the other hand, you never know when they might come in handy again. | 14:06 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Get rid of them | 14:07 |
| snap-l | Most likely they're old anyway | 14:07 |
| snap-l | Like Perl Books. | 14:07 |
| snap-l | Only a handful of them are current now with the release of 5.14 | 14:08 |
| Wolfger | heh. They were old when I bought them off the discount shelf at Microcenter :-) | 14:08 |
| Wolfger | My group still, so far as I know, codes to a 1.3 base :-p | 14:08 |
| snap-l | Seriously? | 14:08 |
| Wolfger | srsly | 14:09 |
| snap-l | Not even 1.5? | 14:09 |
| Wolfger | the books I bought, which were old, were more advanced that our code base | 14:09 |
| snap-l | Oh my | 14:09 |
| Wolfger | I'm like "why don't we use this feature", and they're all "that's not supported in 1.3" | 14:09 |
| snap-l | You might as well be programming in Python 1.5 then. | 14:09 |
| Wolfger | eek | 14:09 |
| Wolfger | well, not my problem anymore, except insofar as I have to work with the shoddy system | 14:10 |
| Wolfger | all the dev work was outsourced | 14:10 |
| snap-l | That's still pathetic | 14:10 |
| Wolfger | My career as a dev lasted only about 1 year | 14:11 |
| snap-l | Are you sure you're not meaning J2EE 1.3? | 14:11 |
| snap-l | at least that is Java 2 | 14:12 |
| brousch | they must be blackberry devs | 14:12 |
| Wolfger | I'm not 100% positive. I still get confused about Java naming/versioning. | 14:12 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Me too, which is why I ask. :) | 14:12 |
| snap-l | 1.3 is still 2002 era | 14:12 |
| snap-l | but it's not Java 1.3, which is EOL as of 2004 | 14:13 |
| snap-l | Still, in either case, that's fucking old. | 14:13 |
| Wolfger | Looking at some old code, no Java version indication | 14:13 |
| Wolfger | but I'm fairly certain they told me it was Java 1.3 | 14:14 |
| snap-l | blergh | 14:14 |
| snap-l | Solaris 8? | 14:14 |
| Wolfger | mind you, we migrated to 1.4 | 14:14 |
| Wolfger | but we were using 1.3 compatible code | 14:14 |
| Wolfger | AIX | 14:15 |
| Wolfger | 5.3 I think it was at the time | 14:15 |
| Wolfger | *lightbulb* | 14:15 |
| snap-l | http://i.imgur.com/Y5vAl.jpg | 14:16 |
| snap-l | That is my current wallpaper | 14:16 |
| Wolfger | Well, currently still some version of AIX 5 and the Java installed is Java5 per "which" | 14:17 |
| snap-l | Nice. | 14:17 |
| Wolfger | I should know better by now than to click on your links | 14:17 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: one sec | 14:17 |
| snap-l | Once the slow-boat to U1 finishes, I'll publish a new link | 14:19 |
| Wolfger | Man, TigerDirect sucked me in again. I hate that. "Awesome Fantastic Tech For CHEAP!!!" (after rebate, if you remember to send it in, and *eventually* we process it) | 14:21 |
| snap-l | That's one of the reasons I hate Tiger Direct | 14:21 |
| Blazeix | yeah, basically, don't use tiger direct. | 14:21 |
| Blazeix | I've had two encounters with them, both were terrible. | 14:22 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: http://ubuntuone.com/p/16AN/ | 14:22 |
| snap-l | IIRC< they also picked up Gateway for a song? | 14:22 |
| brousch | they deliver in less than a day | 14:23 |
| brousch | but a lot of the cheap refurb stuff is junk | 14:23 |
| snap-l | Ah, I think Acer bought them? | 14:24 |
| snap-l | Who knows... all I know is they make garbage | 14:24 |
| snap-l | and Tiger Direct peddles garbage. | 14:25 |
| Wolfger | I've rarely had problems with TD quality. Bought many refurbs from them that were solid. Only problem I ever had was when some idiot bundled a mobo and cpu together that weren't compatible. | 14:29 |
| Wolfger | but I got sick of all the rebate nonsense | 14:29 |
| Wolfger | snap-l: that is the coolest AvP wallpaper I have ever seen | 14:30 |
| Wolfger | would you mind if I Buzzed that link? | 14:30 |
| snap-l | There's also one of them playing chess | 14:30 |
| snap-l | Actually, if you want the reddit link | 14:31 |
| snap-l | http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ii0gg/alien_vs_predator/ | 14:31 |
| Wolfger | cool | 14:31 |
| snap-l | That's where I got it initially. | 14:31 |
| jrwren | but perl has changed so little from 5.0 to 5.14 that any book in the last 10 yrs is fine for learning perl. | 14:33 |
| jrwren | i think I'd rather support vb6 apps than java 1.3 apps. | 14:34 |
| Wolfger | ++ | 14:37 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I hate to say it, but I agree | 14:38 |
| brousch | snap-l: http://spin.atomicobject.com/2011/07/25/vim-setup-for-arduino-syntax-and-tags | 14:52 |
| snap-l | Nice. :) | 15:01 |
| snap-l | I'll be lucky to have a job in the next few weeks | 15:24 |
| snap-l | getting very irritated with my boss | 15:24 |
| brousch | ut oh | 15:24 |
| snap-l | I'm not sure what she's playing but she's definitely one who likes interrupting things with our business | 15:25 |
| snap-l | And I'm sure she's invited half of the fucking company for my otherwise informal knowledge sharing session | 15:25 |
| rick_h_ | lol, she's using you to make her look good | 15:26 |
| snap-l | Just said on the call "Not sure why you're bringing this up now, but OK". | 15:26 |
| rick_h_ | she sets it up, gets everyone there, you blow them away and she gets the praise | 15:26 |
| rick_h_ | man, sounds like she's grasping at straws to prove she's doing something | 15:26 |
| snap-l | Apparently. | 15:26 |
| snap-l | She's asking about funding and shit for a weekly status call. | 15:26 |
| snap-l | FML FML FML FML FML | 15:49 |
| rick_h_ | uh oh | 15:49 |
| brousch | someone give snap-l a hug | 15:53 |
| greg-g | snap-l: is it just me, or is the angle of that pint glass wrong vis a vis the table it is on? | 15:54 |
| snap-l | greg-g: It's a little off perspectivewise | 15:54 |
| greg-g | snap-l: it is like I'm supposed to be looking straight on to it, but that isn't how everything else around it is | 15:55 |
| greg-g | anywho.. ;) | 15:55 |
| greg-g | there's also a predator and an alien playing pool, so who am I to critique | 15:55 |
| _stink_ | IT MUST BE FAKE! | 15:56 |
| greg-g | It's definitely a 'shop. I've seen them before, and this looks like a 'shop. | 15:57 |
| rick_h_ | ooh yay, bike stuff is out for delivery | 15:59 |
| rick_h_ | just need the bike now, come on people, get moving | 15:59 |
| brousch | riding down to pyohio? | 16:01 |
| rick_h_ | hah, not quite | 16:01 |
| rick_h_ | well riding the car down | 16:01 |
| rick_h_ | though would be cool to bring the bike down there | 16:01 |
| brousch | we're commuting in from about 3 miles out | 16:02 |
| rick_h_ | I should try to find a room mate | 16:02 |
| rick_h_ | then again, plan on sprinting until I drop | 16:02 |
| brousch | for me, that would be 10:30pm | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I've cut myself off of caffiene the last couple of weeks | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | plan on inhaling much over the weekend | 16:04 |
| greg-g | wow | 16:05 |
| Wolfger | that's the way to do it. Get off the stuff now so it has more impact when you need it. :-) | 16:09 |
| Wolfger | (he was referring to caffeine when he said he planned on "inhaling much", right?) | 16:10 |
| Wolfger | </Bill Clinton> | 16:10 |
| greg-g | also: http://scienceblogs.com/developingintelligence/2008/02/optimally_wired_a_caffeine_use.php | 16:11 |
| rick_h_ | lol, I wasn't that serious, but good info | 16:27 |
| Wolfger | interesting read, greg-g | 16:28 |
| greg-g | scienceblogs == mostly good stuff | 16:28 |
| snap-l | Well, this is the opposite of good | 17:18 |
| snap-l | JoDee got in a car accident | 17:18 |
| snap-l | she's fine | 17:18 |
| greg-g | !!!! | 17:18 |
| snap-l | need to see what happened. | 17:18 |
| snap-l | Apparently the side of the car isn't there anymore. | 17:18 |
| greg-g | oh man! | 17:18 |
| greg-g | I'm so sorry | 17:18 |
| snap-l | np | 17:18 |
| _stink_ | :( | 17:19 |
| Wolfger | Glad she's ok. Sorry about the car. :-( | 17:20 |
| snap-l | Yeah, just one more thing | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | oh man, crap | 17:22 |
| jjesse | bummer dude glad jodee is fine | 17:24 |
| rick_h_ | mac bashing of the day: https://gimmebar.com/view/4e2dadd22e0aaae4690000b6/big | 18:11 |
| brousch | wow | 18:24 |
| brousch | i am hugging my 10.04 because i have multiple monitors and predictable moving of windows between them | 18:25 |
| brousch | another thing that was really bugging me in unity was having to middle-click an icon to open a new instance of an already running program. i cannot reliably middle-click on this laptop. the only other method is super+shift+number corresponding to the icon in the launcher | 18:28 |
| brousch | holding 3 keys with one hand is not fun | 18:28 |
| _stink_ | that's emacs | 18:29 |
| Wolfger | brousch: was the non-unity Gnome desktop not working for you in 11.04? | 18:49 |
| brousch | hm, didn't try it | 18:50 |
| brousch | i'm still on 10.04 at work due to video driver issues, so i decided to stick to it at home for a while too | 18:50 |
| snap-l | I'm using 11.04 with Unity | 19:53 |
| snap-l | Also, car is in the shop. JoDee's OK. | 19:54 |
| rick_h_ | good stuff | 19:55 |
| brousch | snap-l: that's good to hear | 19:55 |
| snap-l | No worries. Cars can be fixed | 19:57 |
| snap-l | Thanks. :) | 19:57 |
| snap-l | Exporting the latest Open Metalcast | 21:19 |
| snap-l | howdy again | 23:18 |
| snap-l | fun day | 23:20 |
| jrwren | anyone around to help me through packaging? its been a while. | 23:38 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: what are you packaging? | 23:41 |
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