=== jcastro_ is now known as jcastro [01:54] http://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/9135/organizing-my-collection-of-dd-3e-3-5-rulebooks [01:54] This is the very definition of a first world problem. [11:27] Morning [11:27] party [11:27] \o/ [11:27] I was hoping it would be a party day [11:28] actually more sore from the weekend party vs a party day [11:28] LOL [11:28] I hate those "sore from the weekend" parties [11:32] no more details please, it's too early for that kind of thing [11:32] was there lube involved? I bet there wasn't... :-D [11:33] * Wolfger blames brousch for that comment [11:33] bad [11:33] bad bad bad [11:37] it's awesome, because both "yes" and "no" are bad answers to give... rick_h_ seems to have realized this and taken the safe option of ignoring it completely. Party pooper. [11:40] speaking of lube [11:40] good morning, snap-l [12:51] Good morning [12:52] Just finished mowing the front and back lawns this fine morning [12:52] I <3 my push mower [12:52] no guilt over mowing the lawn [12:53] electric > manual [12:54] Maybe, but with this I don't have one more thing getting in my way (cord) [12:55] And I don't mean just physically; I also mean unravelling an extension cord would be the one more thing to keep me from mowing the lawn [12:55] brousch: anything else > electric lawnmower > no lawnmower [12:56] and I'm not sure about the last part of that statement... I might just opt to not mow if all I had was electric [12:57] ANother satisfied customer. :) [12:59] God, only Windows XP boot-up could make Chrome feel slow. [12:59] ^Corporate Windows XP [12:59] brb [13:13] good morning [13:14] everyone ready for next weekend? [13:14] indeed! [13:14] and the weekend after as well [13:14] Oh, you're talking about PyOhio, aren't you? :-p [13:15] snap-l: you ahve one of those heavy manuals that use momentum nicely once they get going? [13:16] snap-l: truth on coporate windows. its sick how great a well configured windows can be and just how fucked up a corporate windows can be. === apetro is now known as apetro_disconnec [13:24] damn you oreilly [13:25] corporate windows can be setup correctly [13:27] jrwren: It's a Fiskars push power. It's quite nice [13:28] rick_h_: What did O'Reilly do now? [13:28] got me on a deal of the day [13:29] Oh, nice. [13:33] Also, watched MArck of the Penguins [13:34] Bah, March of the Penguins [13:34] and I have to say, Penguins are motherfucking hardcore. [13:39] yea, that was kind of cool [13:39] even my wife loved it [13:41] was a cool if somewhat boring movie [13:42] and yeah, penguins are pretty hardcore [13:42] Well, we weren't about to see it in the theater. [13:43] and the hype sort of died down afterward [13:43] But it popped up on Netflix, and we decided "why not"? [13:43] rick_h_: that's an interesting-sounding e-book. Drop a review on us when you're done. :-) [13:44] Wolfger: sure :) [13:47] It's really sad that I can get a print copy of an O'Reilly book from Amazon for cheaper than the e-book version from O'Reilly [13:47] huh? [13:48] with the deal of the day this thing is $8 [13:48] amazon's not lower, I checked [13:48] with the deal of the day, sure [13:48] Amazon isn't more than 50% less [13:48] :-) [13:48] hah [13:48] I find them usually pretty close [13:49] I'm looking at Learning Python and Programming Python [13:49] and from Oreilly you get pdf, mobi, and epub, and you get book updates/etc [13:49] $40 and $52 in e-book from O'R [13:49] $31 and $38 in print from Ama [13:49] $28 and $34 for Kindle [13:50] there's something wrong when Amazon is cheaper than buying direct [13:50] meh, called margins [13:51] and I won't even mention O'R's print prices [13:51] yea, well we won't go there [13:51] it's just absurd [13:51] see borders [13:53] In case you aren't aware, printing and distributing books is expensive. :-P [13:54] And Learning Python / Programming Python could be used to leven a three-legged table. [13:54] that's what they tell me, but the e-books tend to come out pretty close to the print books in prices [13:54] strange that way :P [13:55] Well, I'm sure you'd like the author and the editor to get paid, right? [13:55] and the lovely people who promote the book [13:55] they also have to be slightly more expensive than print, or they'll kill off their print business [13:56] snap-l: yes, printing and distributing is expensive. Which is why I'm wondering how a printed and distributed via 3rd party copy of the book is cheaper than an electronic version direct from the publisher. [13:56] and piss off that chain [13:57] Problem is there's a dichotomy there (false or otherwise) that says that if you make one or the other cheaper, it'll canibalize the other) [13:57] i like getting the used books from amazon. tech books for $5 is awesome. [13:57] So, most make print their priority [13:57] I consider O'Reilly one of the more enlightened on pricing ebooks vs. print [13:57] in any event, the electronic version is cheaper than the print version from the same seller... so at least *some* sense is made. [13:57] even though they're a little high [13:58] e.g. Programming Python... 3.99 used :) [13:58] jrwren: Check the edition [13:58] i know ;( [13:58] it will be "now covers version 1.4!" [13:58] Yeah, that's the one problem with used [13:58] Yeah, I've used the Apress "ebook version for $10" with Amazon's $5 used books [13:58] ebook of the day? Think Stats? [13:59] I would probably buy a "Learning" book used, but a reference book that's used is being sold either because it's out of date or it just plain sucks as a reference. [13:59] Wolfger: The Learning Python book got a lot better with this rev [14:00] You could actually use it for reference [14:00] Wolfger: There's also dumping that occurs with the new rev [14:01] snap-l: seriously? The new Learning Python is that good? I was considering skipping it. [14:02] Learning books are too often read once and resell. [14:02] I'm enjoying it [14:02] And I didn't enjoy the last revision [14:03] I also got the ebook because my bookshelf is really full at the moment. ;) [14:05] I need to look through my books and figure out what to keep and what to toss/donate/sell. I have a bunch mostly collecting dust. [14:06] I'm saddened by the number of Java books I bought when I suddenly needed to code Java. Now I no longer have the need, and certainly not the desire. On the other hand, you never know when they might come in handy again. [14:07] Wolfger: Get rid of them [14:07] Most likely they're old anyway [14:07] Like Perl Books. [14:08] Only a handful of them are current now with the release of 5.14 [14:08] heh. They were old when I bought them off the discount shelf at Microcenter :-) [14:08] My group still, so far as I know, codes to a 1.3 base :-p [14:08] Seriously? [14:09] srsly [14:09] Not even 1.5? [14:09] the books I bought, which were old, were more advanced that our code base [14:09] Oh my [14:09] I'm like "why don't we use this feature", and they're all "that's not supported in 1.3" [14:09] You might as well be programming in Python 1.5 then. [14:09] eek [14:10] well, not my problem anymore, except insofar as I have to work with the shoddy system [14:10] all the dev work was outsourced [14:10] That's still pathetic [14:11] My career as a dev lasted only about 1 year [14:11] Are you sure you're not meaning J2EE 1.3? [14:12] at least that is Java 2 [14:12] they must be blackberry devs [14:12] I'm not 100% positive. I still get confused about Java naming/versioning. [14:12] Wolfger: Me too, which is why I ask. :) [14:12] 1.3 is still 2002 era [14:13] but it's not Java 1.3, which is EOL as of 2004 [14:13] Still, in either case, that's fucking old. [14:13] Looking at some old code, no Java version indication [14:14] but I'm fairly certain they told me it was Java 1.3 [14:14] blergh [14:14] Solaris 8? [14:14] mind you, we migrated to 1.4 [14:14] but we were using 1.3 compatible code [14:15] AIX [14:15] 5.3 I think it was at the time [14:15] *lightbulb* [14:16] http://i.imgur.com/Y5vAl.jpg [14:16] That is my current wallpaper [14:17] Well, currently still some version of AIX 5 and the Java installed is Java5 per "which" [14:17] Nice. [14:17] I should know better by now than to click on your links [14:17] Wolfger: one sec [14:19] Once the slow-boat to U1 finishes, I'll publish a new link [14:21] Man, TigerDirect sucked me in again. I hate that. "Awesome Fantastic Tech For CHEAP!!!" (after rebate, if you remember to send it in, and *eventually* we process it) [14:21] That's one of the reasons I hate Tiger Direct [14:21] yeah, basically, don't use tiger direct. [14:22] I've had two encounters with them, both were terrible. [14:22] Wolfger: http://ubuntuone.com/p/16AN/ [14:22] IIRC< they also picked up Gateway for a song? [14:23] they deliver in less than a day [14:23] but a lot of the cheap refurb stuff is junk [14:24] Ah, I think Acer bought them? [14:24] Who knows... all I know is they make garbage [14:25] and Tiger Direct peddles garbage. [14:29] I've rarely had problems with TD quality. Bought many refurbs from them that were solid. Only problem I ever had was when some idiot bundled a mobo and cpu together that weren't compatible. [14:29] but I got sick of all the rebate nonsense [14:30] snap-l: that is the coolest AvP wallpaper I have ever seen [14:30] would you mind if I Buzzed that link? [14:30] There's also one of them playing chess [14:31] Actually, if you want the reddit link [14:31] http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ii0gg/alien_vs_predator/ [14:31] cool [14:31] That's where I got it initially. [14:33] but perl has changed so little from 5.0 to 5.14 that any book in the last 10 yrs is fine for learning perl. [14:34] i think I'd rather support vb6 apps than java 1.3 apps. [14:37] ++ [14:38] jrwren: I hate to say it, but I agree [14:52] snap-l: http://spin.atomicobject.com/2011/07/25/vim-setup-for-arduino-syntax-and-tags [15:01] Nice. :) [15:24] I'll be lucky to have a job in the next few weeks [15:24] getting very irritated with my boss [15:24] ut oh [15:25] I'm not sure what she's playing but she's definitely one who likes interrupting things with our business [15:25] And I'm sure she's invited half of the fucking company for my otherwise informal knowledge sharing session [15:26] lol, she's using you to make her look good [15:26] Just said on the call "Not sure why you're bringing this up now, but OK". [15:26] she sets it up, gets everyone there, you blow them away and she gets the praise [15:26] man, sounds like she's grasping at straws to prove she's doing something [15:26] Apparently. [15:26] She's asking about funding and shit for a weekly status call. [15:49] FML FML FML FML FML [15:49] uh oh [15:53] someone give snap-l a hug [15:54] snap-l: is it just me, or is the angle of that pint glass wrong vis a vis the table it is on? [15:54] greg-g: It's a little off perspectivewise [15:55] snap-l: it is like I'm supposed to be looking straight on to it, but that isn't how everything else around it is [15:55] anywho.. ;) [15:55] there's also a predator and an alien playing pool, so who am I to critique [15:56] <_stink_> IT MUST BE FAKE! [15:57] It's definitely a 'shop. I've seen them before, and this looks like a 'shop. [15:59] ooh yay, bike stuff is out for delivery [15:59] just need the bike now, come on people, get moving [16:01] riding down to pyohio? [16:01] hah, not quite [16:01] well riding the car down [16:01] though would be cool to bring the bike down there [16:02] we're commuting in from about 3 miles out [16:02] I should try to find a room mate [16:02] then again, plan on sprinting until I drop [16:04] for me, that would be 10:30pm [16:04] yea, I've cut myself off of caffiene the last couple of weeks [16:04] plan on inhaling much over the weekend [16:05] wow [16:09] that's the way to do it. Get off the stuff now so it has more impact when you need it. :-) [16:10] (he was referring to caffeine when he said he planned on "inhaling much", right?) [16:10] [16:11] also: http://scienceblogs.com/developingintelligence/2008/02/optimally_wired_a_caffeine_use.php [16:27] lol, I wasn't that serious, but good info [16:28] interesting read, greg-g [16:28] scienceblogs == mostly good stuff [17:18] Well, this is the opposite of good [17:18] JoDee got in a car accident [17:18] she's fine [17:18] !!!! [17:18] need to see what happened. [17:18] Apparently the side of the car isn't there anymore. [17:18] oh man! [17:18] I'm so sorry [17:18] np [17:19] <_stink_> :( [17:20] Glad she's ok. Sorry about the car. :-( [17:21] Yeah, just one more thing [17:22] oh man, crap [17:24] bummer dude glad jodee is fine [18:11] mac bashing of the day: https://gimmebar.com/view/4e2dadd22e0aaae4690000b6/big [18:24] wow [18:25] i am hugging my 10.04 because i have multiple monitors and predictable moving of windows between them [18:28] another thing that was really bugging me in unity was having to middle-click an icon to open a new instance of an already running program. i cannot reliably middle-click on this laptop. the only other method is super+shift+number corresponding to the icon in the launcher [18:28] holding 3 keys with one hand is not fun [18:29] <_stink_> that's emacs [18:49] brousch: was the non-unity Gnome desktop not working for you in 11.04? [18:50] hm, didn't try it [18:50] i'm still on 10.04 at work due to video driver issues, so i decided to stick to it at home for a while too [19:53] I'm using 11.04 with Unity [19:54] Also, car is in the shop. JoDee's OK. [19:55] good stuff [19:55] snap-l: that's good to hear [19:57] No worries. Cars can be fixed [19:57] Thanks. :) [21:19] Exporting the latest Open Metalcast [23:18] howdy again [23:20] fun day [23:38] anyone around to help me through packaging? its been a while. [23:41] jrwren: what are you packaging?