[01:54] <snap-l> http://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/9135/organizing-my-collection-of-dd-3e-3-5-rulebooks
[01:54] <snap-l> This is the very definition of a first world problem.
[11:27] <Wolfger> Morning
[11:27] <rick_h_> party
[11:27] <Wolfger> \o/
[11:27] <Wolfger> I was hoping it would be a party day
[11:28] <rick_h_> actually more sore from the weekend party vs a party day
[11:28] <Wolfger> LOL
[11:28] <Wolfger> I hate those "sore from the weekend" parties
[11:32] <brousch> no more details please, it's too early for that kind of thing
[11:32] <Wolfger> was there lube involved? I bet there wasn't... :-D
[11:33]  * Wolfger blames brousch for that comment
[11:33] <brousch> bad
[11:33] <brousch> bad bad bad
[11:37] <Wolfger> it's awesome, because both "yes" and "no" are bad answers to give... rick_h_ seems to have realized this and taken the safe option of ignoring it completely. Party pooper.
[11:40] <brousch> speaking of lube
[11:40] <brousch> good morning, snap-l
[12:51] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:52] <snap-l> Just finished mowing the front and back lawns this fine morning
[12:52] <snap-l> I <3 my push mower
[12:52] <snap-l> no guilt over mowing the lawn
[12:53] <brousch> electric > manual
[12:54] <snap-l> Maybe, but with this I don't have one more thing getting in my way (cord)
[12:55] <snap-l> And I don't mean just physically; I also mean unravelling an extension cord would be the one more thing to keep me from mowing the lawn
[12:55] <Wolfger> brousch: anything else > electric lawnmower > no lawnmower
[12:56] <Wolfger> and I'm not sure about the last part of that statement... I might just opt to not mow if all I had was electric
[12:57] <snap-l> ANother satisfied customer. :)
[12:59] <snap-l> God, only Windows XP boot-up could make Chrome feel slow.
[12:59] <snap-l> ^Corporate Windows XP
[12:59] <snap-l> brb
[13:13] <jrwren> good morning
[13:14] <jrwren> everyone ready for next weekend?
[13:14] <Wolfger> indeed!
[13:14] <Wolfger> and the weekend after as well
[13:14] <Wolfger> Oh, you're talking about PyOhio, aren't you? :-p
[13:15] <jrwren> snap-l: you ahve one of those heavy manuals that use momentum nicely once they get going?
[13:16] <jrwren> snap-l: truth on coporate windows.  its sick how great a well configured windows can be and just how fucked up a corporate windows can be.
[13:24] <rick_h_> damn you oreilly
[13:25] <jjesse> corporate windows can be setup correctly
[13:27] <snap-l> jrwren: It's a Fiskars push power. It's quite nice
[13:28] <snap-l> rick_h_: What did O'Reilly do now?
[13:28] <rick_h_> got me on a deal of the day
[13:29] <snap-l> Oh, nice.
[13:33] <snap-l> Also, watched MArck of the Penguins
[13:34] <snap-l> Bah, March of the Penguins
[13:34] <snap-l> and I have to say, Penguins are motherfucking hardcore.
[13:39] <rick_h_> yea, that was kind of cool
[13:39] <rick_h_> even my wife loved it
[13:41] <Wolfger> was a cool if somewhat boring movie
[13:42] <Wolfger> and yeah, penguins are pretty hardcore
[13:42] <snap-l> Well, we weren't about to see it in the theater.
[13:43] <snap-l> and the hype sort of died down afterward
[13:43] <snap-l> But it popped up on Netflix, and we decided "why not"?
[13:43] <Wolfger> rick_h_: that's an interesting-sounding e-book. Drop a review on us when you're done. :-)
[13:44] <rick_h_> Wolfger: sure :)
[13:47] <Wolfger> It's really sad that I can get a print copy of an O'Reilly book from Amazon for cheaper than the e-book version from O'Reilly
[13:47] <rick_h_> huh?
[13:48] <rick_h_> with the deal of the day this thing is $8
[13:48] <rick_h_> amazon's not lower, I checked
[13:48] <Wolfger> with the deal of the day, sure
[13:48] <Wolfger> Amazon isn't more than 50% less
[13:48] <Wolfger> :-)
[13:48] <rick_h_> hah
[13:48] <rick_h_> I find them usually pretty close
[13:49] <Wolfger> I'm looking at Learning Python and Programming Python
[13:49] <rick_h_> and from Oreilly you get pdf, mobi, and epub, and you get book updates/etc
[13:49] <Wolfger> $40 and $52 in e-book from O'R
[13:49] <Wolfger> $31 and $38 in print from Ama
[13:49] <Wolfger> $28 and $34 for Kindle
[13:50] <Wolfger> there's something wrong when Amazon is cheaper than buying direct
[13:50] <rick_h_> meh, called margins
[13:51] <Wolfger> and I won't even mention O'R's print prices
[13:51] <rick_h_> yea, well we won't go there
[13:51] <Wolfger> it's just absurd
[13:51] <rick_h_> see borders
[13:53] <snap-l> In case you aren't aware, printing and distributing books is expensive. :-P
[13:54] <snap-l> And Learning Python / Programming Python could be used to leven a three-legged table.
[13:54] <rick_h_> that's what they tell me, but the e-books tend to come out pretty close to the print books in prices
[13:54] <rick_h_> strange that way :P
[13:55] <snap-l> Well, I'm sure you'd like the author and the editor to get paid, right?
[13:55] <snap-l> and the lovely people who promote the book
[13:55] <snap-l> they also have to be slightly more expensive than print, or they'll kill off their print business
[13:56] <Wolfger> snap-l: yes, printing and distributing is expensive. Which is why I'm wondering how a printed and distributed via 3rd party copy of the book is cheaper than an electronic version direct from the publisher.
[13:56] <snap-l> and piss off that chain
[13:57] <snap-l> Problem is there's a dichotomy there (false or otherwise) that says that if you make one or the other cheaper, it'll canibalize the other)
[13:57] <jrwren> i like getting the used books from amazon. tech books for $5 is awesome.
[13:57] <snap-l> So, most make print their priority
[13:57] <snap-l> I consider O'Reilly one of the more enlightened on pricing ebooks vs. print
[13:57] <Wolfger> in any event, the electronic version is cheaper than the print version from the same seller... so at least *some* sense is made.
[13:57] <snap-l> even though they're a little high
[13:58] <jrwren> e.g. Programming Python... 3.99 used :)
[13:58] <snap-l> jrwren: Check the edition
[13:58] <jrwren> i know ;(
[13:58] <jrwren> it will be "now covers version 1.4!"
[13:58] <Wolfger> Yeah, that's the one problem with used
[13:58] <snap-l> Yeah, I've used the Apress "ebook version for $10" with Amazon's $5 used books
[13:58] <jrwren> ebook of the day? Think Stats?
[13:59] <Wolfger> I would probably buy a "Learning" book used, but a reference book that's used is being sold either because it's out of date or it just plain sucks as a reference.
[13:59] <snap-l> Wolfger: The Learning Python book got a lot better with this rev
[14:00] <snap-l> You could actually use it for reference
[14:00] <snap-l> Wolfger: There's also dumping that occurs with the new rev
[14:01] <Wolfger> snap-l: seriously? The new Learning Python is that good? I was considering skipping it.
[14:02] <Wolfger> Learning books are too often read once and resell.
[14:02] <snap-l> I'm enjoying it
[14:02] <snap-l> And I didn't enjoy the last revision
[14:03] <snap-l> I also got the ebook because my bookshelf is really full at the moment. ;)
[14:05] <Wolfger> I need to look through my books and figure out what to keep and what to toss/donate/sell. I have a bunch mostly collecting dust.
[14:06] <Wolfger> I'm saddened by the number of Java books I bought when I suddenly needed to code Java. Now I no longer have the need, and certainly not the desire. On the other hand, you never know when they might come in handy again.
[14:07] <snap-l> Wolfger: Get rid of them
[14:07] <snap-l> Most likely they're old anyway
[14:07] <snap-l> Like Perl Books.
[14:08] <snap-l> Only a handful of them are current now with the release of 5.14
[14:08] <Wolfger> heh. They were old when I bought them off the discount shelf at Microcenter :-)
[14:08] <Wolfger> My group still, so far as I know, codes to a 1.3 base :-p
[14:08] <snap-l> Seriously?
[14:09] <Wolfger> srsly
[14:09] <snap-l> Not even 1.5?
[14:09] <Wolfger> the books I bought, which were old, were more advanced that our code base
[14:09] <snap-l> Oh my
[14:09] <Wolfger> I'm like "why don't we use this feature", and they're all "that's not supported in 1.3"
[14:09] <snap-l> You might as well be programming in Python 1.5 then.
[14:09] <Wolfger> eek
[14:10] <Wolfger> well, not my problem anymore, except insofar as I have to work with the shoddy system
[14:10] <Wolfger> all the dev work was outsourced
[14:10] <snap-l> That's still pathetic
[14:11] <Wolfger> My career as a dev lasted only about 1 year
[14:11] <snap-l> Are you sure you're not meaning J2EE 1.3?
[14:12] <snap-l> at least that is Java 2
[14:12] <brousch> they must be blackberry devs
[14:12] <Wolfger> I'm not 100% positive. I still get confused about Java naming/versioning.
[14:12] <snap-l> Wolfger: Me too, which is why I ask. :)
[14:12] <snap-l> 1.3 is still 2002 era
[14:13] <snap-l> but it's not Java 1.3, which is EOL as of 2004
[14:13] <snap-l> Still, in either case, that's fucking old.
[14:13] <Wolfger> Looking at some old code, no Java version indication
[14:14] <Wolfger> but I'm fairly certain they told me it was Java 1.3
[14:14] <snap-l> blergh
[14:14] <snap-l> Solaris 8?
[14:14] <Wolfger> mind you, we migrated to 1.4
[14:14] <Wolfger> but we were using 1.3 compatible code
[14:15] <Wolfger> AIX
[14:15] <Wolfger> 5.3 I think it was at the time
[14:15] <Wolfger> *lightbulb*
[14:16] <snap-l> http://i.imgur.com/Y5vAl.jpg
[14:16] <snap-l> That is my current wallpaper
[14:17] <Wolfger> Well, currently still some version of AIX 5 and the Java installed is Java5 per "which"
[14:17] <snap-l> Nice.
[14:17] <Wolfger> I should know better by now than to click on your links
[14:17] <snap-l> Wolfger: one sec
[14:19] <snap-l> Once the slow-boat to U1 finishes, I'll publish a new link
[14:21] <Wolfger> Man, TigerDirect sucked me in again. I hate that. "Awesome Fantastic Tech For CHEAP!!!" (after rebate, if you remember to send it in, and *eventually* we process it)
[14:21] <snap-l> That's one of the reasons I hate Tiger Direct
[14:21] <Blazeix> yeah, basically, don't use tiger direct.
[14:22] <Blazeix> I've had two encounters with them, both were terrible.
[14:22] <snap-l> Wolfger: http://ubuntuone.com/p/16AN/
[14:22] <snap-l> IIRC< they also picked up Gateway for a song?
[14:23] <brousch> they deliver in less than a day
[14:23] <brousch> but a lot of the cheap refurb stuff is junk
[14:24] <snap-l> Ah, I think Acer bought them?
[14:24] <snap-l> Who knows... all I know is they make garbage
[14:25] <snap-l> and Tiger Direct peddles garbage.
[14:29] <Wolfger> I've rarely had problems with TD quality. Bought many refurbs from them that were solid. Only problem I ever had was when some idiot bundled a mobo and cpu together that weren't compatible.
[14:29] <Wolfger> but I got sick of all the rebate nonsense
[14:30] <Wolfger> snap-l: that is the coolest AvP wallpaper I have ever seen
[14:30] <Wolfger> would you mind if I Buzzed that link?
[14:30] <snap-l> There's also one of them playing chess
[14:31] <snap-l> Actually, if you want the reddit link
[14:31] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ii0gg/alien_vs_predator/
[14:31] <Wolfger> cool
[14:31] <snap-l> That's where I got it initially.
[14:33] <jrwren> but perl has changed so little from 5.0 to 5.14 that any book in the last 10 yrs is fine for learning perl.
[14:34] <jrwren> i think I'd rather support vb6 apps than java 1.3 apps.
[14:37] <Wolfger> ++
[14:38] <snap-l> jrwren: I hate to say it, but I agree
[14:52] <brousch> snap-l: http://spin.atomicobject.com/2011/07/25/vim-setup-for-arduino-syntax-and-tags
[15:01] <snap-l> Nice. :)
[15:24] <snap-l> I'll be lucky to have a job in the next few weeks
[15:24] <snap-l> getting very irritated with my boss
[15:24] <brousch> ut oh
[15:25] <snap-l> I'm not sure what she's playing but she's definitely one who likes interrupting things with our business
[15:25] <snap-l> And I'm sure she's invited half of the fucking company for my otherwise informal knowledge sharing session
[15:26] <rick_h_> lol, she's using you to make her look good
[15:26] <snap-l> Just said on the call "Not sure why you're bringing this up now, but OK".
[15:26] <rick_h_> she sets it up, gets everyone there, you blow them away and she gets the praise
[15:26] <rick_h_> man, sounds like she's grasping at straws to prove she's doing something
[15:26] <snap-l> Apparently.
[15:26] <snap-l> She's asking about funding and shit for a weekly status call.
[15:49] <snap-l> FML FML FML FML FML
[15:49] <rick_h_> uh oh
[15:53] <brousch> someone give snap-l a hug
[15:54] <greg-g> snap-l: is it just me, or is the angle of that pint glass wrong vis a vis the table it is on?
[15:54] <snap-l> greg-g: It's a little off perspectivewise
[15:55] <greg-g> snap-l: it is like I'm supposed to be looking straight on to it, but that isn't how everything else around it is
[15:55] <greg-g> anywho.. ;)
[15:55] <greg-g> there's also a predator and an alien playing pool, so who am I to critique
[15:56] <_stink_> IT MUST BE FAKE!
[15:57] <greg-g> It's definitely a 'shop. I've seen them before, and this looks like a 'shop.
[15:59] <rick_h_> ooh yay, bike stuff is out for delivery
[15:59] <rick_h_> just need the bike now, come on people, get moving
[16:01] <brousch> riding down to pyohio?
[16:01] <rick_h_> hah, not quite
[16:01] <rick_h_> well riding the car down
[16:01] <rick_h_> though would be cool to bring the bike down there
[16:02] <brousch> we're commuting in from about 3 miles out
[16:02] <rick_h_> I should try to find a room mate
[16:02] <rick_h_> then again, plan on sprinting until I drop
[16:04] <brousch> for me, that would be 10:30pm
[16:04] <rick_h_> yea, I've cut myself off of caffiene the last couple of weeks
[16:04] <rick_h_> plan on inhaling much over the weekend
[16:05] <greg-g> wow
[16:09] <Wolfger> that's the way to do it. Get off the stuff now so it has more impact when you need it. :-)
[16:10] <Wolfger> (he was referring to caffeine when he said he planned on "inhaling much", right?)
[16:10] <Wolfger> </Bill Clinton>
[16:11] <greg-g> also: http://scienceblogs.com/developingintelligence/2008/02/optimally_wired_a_caffeine_use.php
[16:27] <rick_h_> lol, I wasn't that serious, but good info
[16:28] <Wolfger> interesting read, greg-g
[16:28] <greg-g> scienceblogs == mostly good stuff
[17:18] <snap-l> Well, this is the opposite of good
[17:18] <snap-l> JoDee got in a car accident
[17:18] <snap-l> she's fine
[17:18] <greg-g> !!!!
[17:18] <snap-l> need to see what happened.
[17:18] <snap-l> Apparently the side of the car isn't there anymore.
[17:18] <greg-g> oh man!
[17:18] <greg-g> I'm so sorry
[17:18] <snap-l> np
[17:19] <_stink_> :(
[17:20] <Wolfger> Glad she's ok. Sorry about the car. :-(
[17:21] <snap-l> Yeah, just one more thing
[17:22] <rick_h_> oh man, crap
[17:24] <jjesse> bummer dude glad jodee is fine
[18:11] <rick_h_> mac bashing of the day: https://gimmebar.com/view/4e2dadd22e0aaae4690000b6/big
[18:24] <brousch> wow
[18:25] <brousch> i am hugging my 10.04 because i have multiple monitors and predictable moving of windows between them
[18:28] <brousch> another thing that was really bugging me in unity was having to middle-click an icon to open a new instance of an already running program. i cannot reliably middle-click on this laptop. the only other method is super+shift+number corresponding to the icon in the launcher
[18:28] <brousch> holding 3 keys with one hand is not fun
[18:29] <_stink_> that's emacs
[18:49] <Wolfger> brousch: was the non-unity Gnome desktop not working for you in 11.04?
[18:50] <brousch> hm, didn't try it
[18:50] <brousch> i'm still on 10.04 at work due to video driver issues, so i decided to stick to it at home for a while too
[19:53] <snap-l> I'm using 11.04 with Unity
[19:54] <snap-l> Also, car is in the shop. JoDee's OK.
[19:55] <rick_h_> good stuff
[19:55] <brousch> snap-l: that's good to hear
[19:57] <snap-l> No worries. Cars can be fixed
[19:57] <snap-l> Thanks. :)
[21:19] <snap-l> Exporting the latest Open Metalcast
[23:18] <snap-l> howdy again
[23:20] <snap-l> fun day
[23:38] <jrwren> anyone around to help me through packaging? its been a while.
[23:41] <rick_h_> jrwren: what are you packaging?