[00:35] <bjsnider> RAOF, do you get into a situation where the screen will go black for an instant with nouveau?
[00:36] <RAOF> bjsnider: More info required.  That could be VGA polling, but I don't use any VGA outputs.
[00:36] <afiestas> RAOF: well, I want to start by writting the daemon taht will hadle such things
[00:36] <afiestas> ut I guess that I can start elsewhere
[00:37] <afiestas> or, if we agree on the format I can parse it myself like we do in Bluetooth with the pin-database.xml
[00:38] <afiestas> going to sleep now, send me an email with the status/plans/etc to afiestas@kde.org
[00:38] <afiestas> good night/morning!
[00:42] <bjsnider> RAOF, i am using dvi
[00:43] <RAOF> How frequent are these?  Any triggers?  Do they only occur with 3D?  How long do they last?  etc :)
[00:45] <bjsnider> i think it may be power related, because i have to stop using it for a little while
[00:48] <bjsnider> the nouse pointer has a tendency to stutter unde nouveau
[00:48] <bjsnider> and i lost sound when i upgraded to edgers
[00:49] <RAOF> Lost *sound*?
[00:49] <RAOF> That's plenty weird.
[00:49] <RAOF> I'd guess at kernel fun!
[00:50] <bjsnider> i needed the 3.0 kernel for nouveau though
[00:57] <bjsnider> ok, sound works again
[00:57] <bjsnider> RAOF, how can i have desktop tearing when there's no tearing in mutter?
[00:58] <bjsnider> i should be tear-free. this is an outrage.
[00:59] <RAOF> What compositor are you using?  Compiz?
[01:00] <bjsnider> mutter
[01:00] <RAOF> But there's no tearing in mutter?  I'm confused as to what the problem is.
[01:01] <bjsnider> i am using mutter and getting tearing anyway
[01:03] <RAOF> Ah.  Well, you'd need to turn on vsync if you want that to work :)
[01:04] <RAOF> That still needs an xorg.conf option IIRC.
[01:05] <bjsnider> in nouveau?
[01:05] <bjsnider> why would anyone want to not have vsync?
[01:26] <RAOF> Because it's as-yet lightly tested.
[01:33] <bjsnider> well, it was almost stable. i might switch to it in oneiric
[01:33] <bjsnider> or when wayland is eventually used
[01:34] <bjsnider> guess i'll have no choice then though
[13:22] <bjsnider> ricotz, you're using gnome 3 with nvidia right?
[13:52] <ricotz> bjsnider, yes
[13:52] <bjsnider> have you noticed the new flash plugin taking down the desktop?
[14:18] <ricotz> bjsnider, no, i am using 11.0  64bit version
[14:26] <bjsnider> ricotz, with what browser?
[14:26] <ricotz> firefox 6.0b2
[14:26] <bjsnider> do you have chromium installed?
[14:27] <ricotz> no
[14:27] <bjsnider> well, anyway, can you go to youtube and play a few videos over the course of a couple of minutes please?
[14:28] <ricotz> is the xserver crashing or only gnome-shell?
[14:28] <bjsnider> everything stops except the mouse
[14:28] <bjsnider> keyboard doesn't work
[14:29] <ricotz> so it is locked, perhaps in a loop
[14:29] <ricotz> did you look for running processes while in this state?
[14:29] <bjsnider> yes but other than flash initiating it i can't tell what the problem is
[14:30] <bjsnider> could be an nvidia problem, could be gnome-shell, who knows
[14:30] <ricotz> so you cant switch to tty1?
[14:30] <bjsnider> it's impossible to do anything except move the mouse
[14:30] <ricotz> ssh?
[14:30] <bjsnider> tty1 would require the keyboard to work
[14:31] <bjsnider> don't have another system to use ssh
[14:31] <ricotz> mhh, ok
[14:31] <ricotz> currently i dont want to trigger this here
[14:31] <ricotz> if it would happen too
[14:31] <bjsnider> the 64-bit plugin is using vdpau now, so i assume it's somehow interfering with mutter or something
[14:32] <ricotz> so you are using flashplayer11_b1_install_lin_64_071311?
[14:33] <bjsnider> yep
[14:33] <ricotz> ok
[14:33] <ricotz> and 280.11?
[14:33] <ricotz> with mutter git and gnome-shell git?
[14:34] <bjsnider> no, 275.19
[14:34] <bjsnider> with the packages from the gnome 3 ppa
[14:34] <ricotz> ok, so on natty?
[14:34] <bjsnider> yes
[14:34] <ricotz> i am running oneiric with edgers ppa
[14:35] <ricotz> bjsnider, there are a lot of fixes since 3.0.2
[14:35] <ricotz> perhaps you could try 3.1.3+?
[14:35] <bjsnider> i had a catastrophic sound issue with edgers so i had to purge it
[14:36] <bjsnider> how, build the packages myself?
[14:36] <ricotz> sound? are you using hdmi audio?
[14:36] <bjsnider> no
[14:36] <ricotz> ppa:ricotz/testing
[14:36] <bjsnider> the 3.0 kernel was responsible
[14:36] <ricotz> ok
[14:37] <ricotz> try to only update mutter and gnome-shell
[14:37] <ricotz> telepathy and json
[14:38] <bjsnider> too risky for my taste. i need this thing to work most of the time
[14:38] <ricotz> bjsnider, does this happen before the gnome3 updates update on the weekend?
[14:38] <ricotz> ok, np
[14:39] <bjsnider> happened before that update
[14:39] <ricotz> ok, good ;)
[14:40] <ricotz> mhh, so i cant reproduce it here with your configuration, i will test it anyway later
[14:41] <bjsnider> if it's a flash problem it will happen anyway
[14:41] <bjsnider> but i can't find a lot of complaints about it in the cloud, so i'm assuming it's somehow unique to my system (lucky me)
[14:44] <ricotz> bjsnider, btw, the 3.0 kernel is not mandatory using edgers ppa
[14:44] <bjsnider> i was considering intentionally breaking vdpau by temporarily moving the vdpau driver shared lib somewhere else and then testing it
[14:44] <bjsnider> ricotz, ah, but it is if you really want to test nouveau
[14:45] <ricotz> bjsnider, right, but 3.0 is still far behind the nouveau kernel tree ;)
[14:45] <bjsnider> well, that's the newest kernel i had available to me
[14:46] <ricotz> ok
[17:14] <ricotz> bjsnider, i cant confirm any problems here with flash
[19:00] <highvoltage> hi, anyone know how I can get the amd catalyst control center on natty? old documentation says I need the amdcccle package but that doesn't install any binaries
[20:53] <bjsnider> ricotz, using firefox only?
[21:11] <ricotz> bjsnider, yes