[01:03] <pmatulis> beuno: "Something has gone wrong (503)" just now
[01:06] <beuno> pmatulis, which page?
[01:07] <pmatulis> beuno: when i go to https://one.ubuntu.com i get redirected to https://media.one.ubuntu.com/offline.html , do i need to refresh my browser somehow?
[01:08] <pmatulis> beuno: restarting ff gives same stuff
[01:44] <beuno> pmatulis, that's very strange, I can't reproduce
[01:45] <beuno> I'll see if the logs say anything
[02:53] <hawthorne62> Does anyone know of particular issues at the moment with Ubuntu One downloads?
[08:00] <j0nr> morning folks,
[08:00] <j0nr> where is the best place to ask questions about U1 and U1 mobile?
[08:04] <karni> Morning \o
[08:05] <j0nr> mornin karni ... I just posed a question...
[08:05] <j0nr> where is the best place to ask questions about U1 and U1 mobile?
[08:06] <karni> j0nr: this is a pretty good place for questions :)
[08:11] <duanedesign> morning karni
[08:11] <karni> hi duanedesign
[08:19] <j0nr> Does U1 mobile sync from phone to cloud? i.e. if I change a songs ID3 tags on my phone, will those changes go back to the cloud?
[08:19] <j0nr> Or is it just a one-way download thing?
[08:21] <j0nr> next: if I create a playlist on my phone, then change some details of a song in that playlist (e.g. tags) will that song be lost from the playlist?
[08:30] <duanedesign> karni: do you know the answer to either of those?
[08:31] <karni> j0nr: You are talking specifically about Ubuntu One Music app, right?
[08:31] <karni> j0nr: or you have Ubuntu One Files in mind, and then second question is about Ubuntu One Music?
[08:32] <karni> j0nr: U1M is a music streaming app. it only streams data down to your phone. U1F is both upload and download app, there is no sync (at least not yet). there is, however, a feature to auto-upload pictures.
[08:35] <j0nr> karni: so if I want to update tags in music files, I should do it on my PC. Then the changes to the file willbe spotted and synced/
[08:35] <j0nr> s/\//?/
[08:36] <karni> j0nr: no application syncs data now. you changes will be synced to the server, and once it rescans your music, changes will be visible in Ubuntu One Music.
[08:36] <karni> rye: when does the server rescan users music? is a changes to ID3 tag sufficient?
[08:37] <rye> karni, upon upload of a music file the notification is sent to the music rescan workers, yes, should bw sufficient
[08:37] <rye> karni, but we can force rescan
[08:37] <karni> j0nr: ı
[08:37] <karni> *↑
[08:38] <rye> karni, here's the "." for your dot-less "i", ı
[08:39] <j0nr> if the server recognises the change and syncs my existing (but newly tagged) file, what happens on U1Music? If I already have that track on my phone will it show up as not there any more, or some how tell me it is out of date?
[08:39] <karni> rye: heh, I meant ↑ to show j0nr your answer ;)
[08:39] <rye> karni, i know :)
[08:40] <karni> j0nr: once the music is rescanned on the server, U1Music will know.
[08:43] <j0nr> so, on PC edit ID3 tags, U1 on PC will spot change (when?) and sync to server, then U1Music on phone will do what? mark that track as not cached any more? What if I had selected that track and 'saved to phone'?
[08:44] <duanedesign> Ubuntu One on your computer will notice the change right away
[08:44] <karni> Chex: Detailed question to you here ↑
[08:45] <karni> Chex: tab fail, sorry
[08:45] <karni> oh, Chad's not here yet
[09:21] <j0nr> Are playlists only on phone or are they sent to the server? Can I access them from my PC after creating them on my phone
[09:21] <j0nr> ?
[09:27] <karni> j0nr: they are created on the server. I don't know the details, but I'll ping Chad when he's around to answer that.
[10:17] <j0nr> karni: Thanks... what about bugs? Do I file them at the UbuntuOne place? Or is there somewhere different for U1Mobile/Music
[10:17] <karni> j0nr: https://launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-music
[10:17] <karni> j0nr: https://launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-files
[10:17] <j0nr> karni: sweet, thanks
[10:17] <karni> j0nr: you're welcome!
[10:36] <j0nr> Hmm, anyone else not able to save playlists? I get a network error when trying to save
[11:51]  * fagan has the real feeling that today is going to be way too quiet 
[12:07] <karni> CardinalFang: Hi! Let me paste you something, you'll probably be able to answer in more detail than me:
[12:07] <karni> 10:39 < j0nr> if the server recognises the change and syncs my existing (but newly tagged) file, what happens on U1Music? If I already have that track on my phone will it show up as not there any more, or some how tell me it is out of date?
[12:07] <karni> 10:43 < j0nr> so, on PC edit ID3 tags, U1 on PC will spot change (when?) and sync to server, then U1Music on phone will do what? mark that track as not cached any more? What if I had selected that track and 'saved to phone'?
[12:16] <mandel> DiegoSarmentero: pass the stack trace from the error when using a spanish windows version
[12:16] <fagan> Oh mandel hey how is the sprint going
[12:17] <mandel> fagan: just started :P
[12:17] <fagan> mandel: really weird not having anyone here at EU times
[12:17] <fagan> mandel: we arent having standup right?
[12:18] <DiegoSarmentero> mandel, http://paste.ubuntu.com/651716/
[12:21] <fagan> ralsina: are we having standup today?
[12:24] <alecu> fagan, we are giving our reports irl here in the buenos aires sprint.
[12:24] <fagan> alecu: well I mean for me :D
[12:24] <alecu> fagan, go!
[12:25] <fagan> alecu: hahah
[12:26] <fagan> alecu: actually could you tell ralsina if he needs anything tested I came in late so I could help out. Oh and if there isnt anything for me to do ill just figure out something
[12:51] <nessita> DiegoSarmentero: shoot!
[12:51] <DiegoSarmentero> nessita, http://paste.ubuntu.com/651721/
[12:59] <nessita> https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-client/clean-up-os-helper
[12:59] <nessita> alecu, mandel: ^
[14:35] <fagan> im going on a break if anyone wants anything done just ping me or email me and ill get to it when I get back
[14:37] <dobey> i want congressional term limits implemented as an amendment to the constitution of these united states.
[14:38] <fagan> dobey: yeah that sounds fairly reasonable for everything
[14:38] <fagan> On judges too
[14:38] <fagan> for instance
[14:39] <fagan> Like limiting every position to 2 or 3 terms would freshen stuff up a lot
[14:40] <fagan> In Ireland we only have limits on the president's terms which is the position of least power in ireland
[14:40] <fagan> It makes no sense what so ever
[14:41] <fagan> anyway im off for reals be back later
[15:08] <nessita> ralsina: can I have a trivial review? https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/proper-ignore-u1lint/+merge/69102
[15:09] <ralsina> nessita: sure
[15:10] <dobey> heh
[15:10] <dobey> nessita: was just looking at that :)
[15:10] <nessita> dobey: thanks!
[15:11] <dobey> nessita: +1 with a ♥ :)
[15:11] <nessita> dobey: thanks!
[15:12] <ralsina> oops
[15:12] <dobey> DiegoSarmentero: btw, can you set your "display name" to have proper capitalization/spacing for your name as it would appear on your business cards :)
[15:22] <thechef> How do I sync folders of mine, that are not in my /home?
[15:23] <beuno> thechef, we only support syncing folders in your home directory
[15:25] <thechef> okay so your idea is that my files are all in my home folder. What can I do when I have several hard drives? Should I bind mount them into my home directory?
[15:26] <thechef> There is no other option, or is there?
[15:26] <dobey> you are wanting to use ubuntu one as a backup service, rather than for file synchronization?
[15:27] <thechef> both a bit, but more of the latter
[15:28] <thechef> There are just some files I want to have in 2 places.
[15:28] <dobey> you don't want to bind mount them, no.
[15:28] <thechef> so what do you suggest?
[15:28] <dobey> i would suggest putting the files you want synchronized, somewhere inside your home directory
[15:29] <thechef> the home directory is too small
[15:30] <thechef> plus I want other users to have access to the files, but I don't want to link them somewhere into my homedirectory
[15:30] <dobey> so there is really no reasonable way that we can support syncing folders outside of home, or on other partitions
[15:30] <thechef> okay so I have to bind mount it and trick ubuntu one in believing its inside my home folder. I can live with that :)
[15:31] <dobey> no
[15:31] <dobey> you really do not want to do that :)
[15:31] <dobey> if you do, ubuntu one will think the files were deleted, when it is unmounted
[15:32] <dobey> and it will then just delete them on the server and on other machines where they are synced
[15:32] <thechef> It is never going to be unmounted
[15:32] <dobey> if you say so. but i gave you fair warning. so don't complain if it breaks :)
[15:33] <thechef> Yeah that's fine
[15:41] <thechef> Or i leave it, because I'm to lazy to set it up :) I just make everythign duplicate. Who cares.. space is so cheap :)
[15:46] <dobey> lunch bbiab
[15:52]  * fagan back 
[17:03] <dobey> nessita: ping
[17:03] <nessita> dobey: pong, hi there
[17:04] <dobey> nessita: hi. is bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/801734 actually fix committed? one of the comments lists two other bugs that are causing it, but only one has a linked branch and is fix committed.
[17:04] <ubot4> dobey: Error: Bug #801734 is private.
[17:04] <nessita> dobey: looking
[17:06] <nessita> dobey: the partial commit bug is not reproducible easily, so after we debugged it was not that related to can't sync
[17:11] <dobey> nessita: can you note that on that bug please, and perhaps close the bug as invalid or mark it a duplicate of the other bug that is fix committed?
[17:13] <nessita> dobey: sure
[17:14] <dobey> thanks
[17:14] <fagan> nessita: if anything needs testing just email me
[17:15] <fagan> nessita: im still on the clock and would be happy to smooth things along
[17:31] <dobey> and there are some bugs with practically no info, and no linked branches, that are marked as fix committed. :(
[17:31]  * dobey has no idea what to do with them
[17:32] <nessita> dobey: embrace them!
[17:32] <dobey> nessita: mark them as incomplete and reassign to you? :)
[17:34] <nessita> dobey: have some examples, to have more info and then answer you?
[17:35] <dobey> nessita: bug #803591, bug #725049, bug #811007, bug #704533
[17:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 803591 in ubuntuone-client "Windows: Logs shoul not be stored under "Temporary Internet Files" (affects: 1) (heat: 18)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803591
[17:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 725049 in ubuntuone-client "There is no easy way to write IPC client code on Windows (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725049
[17:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 811007 in ubuntuone-client "Syncdaemon is not exposing the "connect" method on windows (affects: 1) (heat: 95)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/811007
[17:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 704533 in ubuntuone-client "File system notifications on widows are missing (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704533
[17:35] <nessita> dobey: they are all fix committed for sure
[17:36] <dobey> nessita: so they say, but i have no way to verify that, or when said fixes were committed.
[17:36] <nessita> dobey: do you  need that info? if so, may I ask why?
[17:37] <dobey> nessita: because if i don't know when it was committed, i don't know when it is released. and if it's not actually fixed, i can't point at the branch and say "this isn't merged yet"
[17:38] <nessita> dobey: not sure how to help, I know those features are in trunk ATM
[17:39] <dobey> point me at the revisions that fix them?
[17:43] <nessita> dobey: I don't know :-(
[17:44] <nessita> dobey: I know they are fix since I can use the feature in trunk
[17:44] <nessita> dobey: I know that bug 811007 was fixed by alecu as a side effect, let me grab that branch
[17:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 811007 in ubuntuone-client "Syncdaemon is not exposing the "connect" method on windows (affects: 1) (heat: 95)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/811007
[17:44] <dobey> well is that first one fixed in u1client or is it fixed by using mandel's fork of python-xdg?
[17:45] <nessita> dobey: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/unbreak-connect/+merge/68309
[17:46] <nessita> dobey: the xdg is being fixed by using mandel's xdg, which ATM is a junk branch. We  have a bug to create a project for that, but we haven't got to it yet
[17:48] <dobey> https://launchpad.net/pyxdg
[17:49] <dobey> why not fix the issue upstream?
[17:49] <mandel> dobey: is not freedesktop really cares about windows :(
[17:49] <dobey> mandel: how do you mean? have you sent your changes upstream?
[17:50] <mandel> dobey: for xdg? yeas I did..
[17:50] <mandel> dobey: but did not push much for it
[17:50] <dobey> mandel: did you get a reply at all? where did you send it to?
[17:51] <mandel> dobey: I sent it for the mainling list, waited for a reply and resent it a looong time ago and did not try again
[17:52] <dobey> well i see why
[17:52] <dobey> the upstream code hasn't been touched in almost 2 years
[17:53] <dobey> :
[17:53] <dobey> :(
[17:53] <dobey> mandel: but i don't think that has anything to do with "caring about windows"
[17:53] <dobey> mandel: it's more like "freedesktop.org is not a great place for software to be maintained"
[17:54] <mandel> dobey: well, if the code has not been touched in 2 years it does make sense....
[17:57] <dobey> mandel: can you at least push your changes to lp as a branch of pyxdg, rather than +junk?
[17:58] <mandel> dobey: yes, DiegoSarmentero is working on it, he ca do it
[17:58] <mandel> DiegoSarmentero: right?
[17:59] <dobey> mandel: and bugs filed at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=PyXDG for any issues in upstream that we have to patch for, would be nice?
[18:03] <dobey> ouch
[18:04] <dobey> mandel: so this is what nickserv says about the maintainer of pyxdg:
[18:04] <dobey> 14:03 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last seen  : Mar 03 13:51:15 2009 (2  years, 20 weeks, 4 days, 04:12:07 ago)
[18:04] <DiegoSarmentero> mandel, dobey sorry for the delay, i'm here
[18:04] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, i'm working on xdg
[18:04] <dobey> :(
[18:04] <mandel> dobey: dammed...
[18:04] <dobey> yeah
[18:05] <mandel> dobey: fancy to be a maintainer of yet another thing?
[18:09] <dobey> not really, but it looks like we might have to take it over, or use/write something else :(
[18:11] <mandel> dobey: yikes!
[18:12] <dobey> at least it's a relatively simple project.
[18:19] <dobey> brb
[18:26] <dobey> hmm
[18:27] <dobey> mandel, DiegoSarmentero: i guess we need to discuss with ralsina and Chipaca about what to do for this
[18:35] <mandel> dobey: ok, will you remember to bring it up? please....
[18:41] <dobey> mandel: i'll try. unfortunately chipaca is on holiday this week. so i guess we have to discuss it next week.
[19:14] <mandel> dobey: ok
[19:27] <dobey> mandel: what branches fixed bug #725049  and bug #704533 btw?
[19:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 725049 in ubuntuone-client "There is no easy way to write IPC client code on Windows (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725049
[19:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 704533 in ubuntuone-client "File system notifications on widows are missing (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704533
[19:41] <j0nr> hello
[19:41] <dobey> hi
[19:41] <j0nr> hey dobey
[19:42] <j0nr> do you know if I rename a dir in a U1 synced folder, will that whole folder be uploaded again, or will the server just rename the appropriate dir name
[19:44] <dobey> it should just rename it, so long as you do it while ubuntuone-syncdaemon is running
[19:45] <j0nr> does the daemon start automatically? I presume it does
[19:46] <dobey> it should when you log in, yes
[19:54] <dobey> huh. though it seems like doctormo committed something in Jan 2011. which is odd
[20:10] <j0nr> hmm, any ideas why some songs get recognised via their ID3 tags and some don't?
[20:12] <j0nr> I have several files with v2.3 tags, exactly same artist name, some show up in U1 Music some don't
[20:16] <dobey> on android you mean?
[20:17] <mandel> dobey: the bug was set as fix because we fixed it in the +junk branch
[20:18] <dobey> mandel: what do filesystem notifications have to do with the +junk xdg branch?
[20:20] <alket> Hi, Ubuntu One doesn't know that I am connected to internet but I am why ?
[20:21] <dobey> alket: you are not using networkmanager to connect to the internet, but still have it installed/running
[20:21] <alket> true , im using pppoeconf i disabled nm-applet because i get faster internet so what should I do ?
[20:22] <mandel> dobey: sorry , which bug number again?
[20:22] <dobey> alket: apt-get remove --purge network-manager (i think that's the package name)
[20:23] <dobey> mandel: #704533, also bug #725049 which is about IPC client code API.
[20:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 725049 in ubuntuone-client "There is no easy way to write IPC client code on Windows (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725049
[20:25] <mandel> dobey: pufff… I cannot remember, sorry I guess I forgot to link the bug
[20:36] <dobey> :(
[21:23] <dobey> sigh, something changed with gtkdoc or something. whatever, will have to fix tomorrow i guess
[21:23] <dobey> good evening all
[21:27] <DiegoSarmentero> dobey, good bye
[23:41] <pmatulis> beuno: i still cannot log in to my account (from home).  from work it is fine