[00:00] <dodgefan67> it starts with a core system and you add what you want, xorg, gnome, kde, xfce, whatever
[00:00] <dodgefan67> everything command line
[00:01] <dodgefan67> its a great way to learn how a linux OS can work
[00:01] <philipballew> seemes like you gain knowlege then?
[00:01] <dodgefan67> oh yeah
[00:02] <philipballew> ill have to try this sometime
[00:02] <dodgefan67> i mean they do things the Arch way, but i have learned a great deal about fstab, startup scripts, inittab, etc
[00:03] <philipballew> whats the arch way? haha
[00:03] <tdignan> Doing everything yourself, even if it's a tedious detail that won't matter later.
[00:03] <xfcer> I have a problem setting a .jar program I downloaded to executable, I see no option to when I select properties. Can anyone help me?
[00:04] <dodgefan67> well for one they use an rc.conf file for a lot of configuration stuff
[00:04] <philipballew> did you install javj runtime engine xfcer ?
[00:04] <dodgefan67> where other distros have that stuff in more than one file, like slackware
[00:04] <philipballew> slackware is nice to
[00:04] <xfcer> I don't believe I've installed any java apps, I'm honestly just trying to run minecraft on a new xubuntu install
[00:05] <tdignan> with both arch and slackware you will spend just as much time maintaining your system as you will using it.
[00:05] <xfcer> and if memory serves, the unselected executable bit is a feature in ubuntu isn't it?
[00:05] <philipballew> minecraft...
[00:05] <philipballew> i can help
[00:05] <tdignan> xfcer: you can run it with java -jar
[00:05] <tdignan> xfcer: maybe you can tell xfce to "open with" java -jar.
[00:06] <philipballew> xfcer, i think you need the sun java runtime engine
[00:07] <xfcer> I have a ubuntu install on another machine, and I never needed to install anything extra java related
[00:08] <xfcer> when I attempt to start it, I just get a warning about the executable potentially being an unsecure force and stuff
[00:08] <tdignan> xfcer: open a terminal, type java. What do you see?
[00:09] <xfcer> I have java 1.6.0_22 installed
[00:09] <xfcer> after typing java -version
[00:10] <philipballew> instructions from the minecraft site.
[00:10] <philipballew> Download Minecraft.jar, an executable jar file. It might work as-is.
[00:10] <philipballew> If you run into out of memory errors, try launching it with java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
[00:10] <philipballew> Also, please make sure you're running the Sun JVM...
[00:10] <tdignan> Yeah, you are using open jdk.
[00:10] <tdignan> I know so, because you had the '-version' switch.
[00:10] <philipballew> http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp
[00:10] <xfcer> yeah, that's what I'm running
[00:10] <knome> philipballew, remember that we have !pastebin for multi-line pastes/inpupts :)
[00:10] <knome> -p
[00:10] <tdignan> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html
[00:10] <tdignan> get that ^
[00:11] <xfcer> ah, thank you
[00:11] <philipballew> i didnt know it would be big :)
[00:11] <tdignan> uninstall openjdk, and set the JAVA_HOME env
[00:11] <tdignan> in your ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile
[00:11] <tdignan> also PATH.
[00:11] <knome> philipballew, no problem, just accidentally noticed the short non-one-liner paste :)
[00:12] <dodgefan67> so Oracle's JAVA is not in the multiverse repository?
[00:13] <dodgefan67> i installed libreoffice and i have openjre?
[00:15] <tdignan> no, it's not
[00:15] <tdignan> yep
[00:15] <tdignan> wait, perhaps multiverse, but
[00:16] <dodgefan67> sorry xfcer, didnt mean to hijack your question
[00:16] <tdignan> I don't think it is.
[00:16] <dodgefan67> ive searched for jre and dont see it
[00:16] <tdignan> i thought so
[00:17] <tdignan> I've got it installed because it's officially supported by the android sdk.
[00:17] <tdignan> I just keep it in ~/Tools, with all my other non-standard stuff.
[00:17] <tdignan> ls ~/Tools
[00:17] <tdignan> oops.
[00:17] <xfcer> oh, it's alright
[00:24] <dodgefan67> thanks everyone, i'll be seeing you around!
[00:32] <dodgefan67> hey, just wanted to pop back in and say that you need the icedtea-plugin for java to work in the browser, at least i did
[08:06] <hrw> hi
[08:06] <hrw> does someone uses 11.10 'oneiric' with xfce?
[13:22] <Sysi> gnome-mplayer plays this one music-cd fine, but sound-juicer says "can't get track listing, not mounted"
[13:22] <Sysi> is this some DRM fault or what could be wrong?
[13:23] <Sysi> both work well for other music cd
[13:23] <knome> Sysi, i've had similar problems with many cd's lately
[13:23] <Sysi> also dd from /dev/sr0 gave I/O error
[13:23] <knome> that i don't know, did you try asunder?
[13:23] <knome> (or any other ripping software)
[13:24] <Sysi> not yet, but I will after re-ripping this other
[13:25] <knome> it's not a few cd's, it's maybe 90% of the cd's i rip, and i tend to rip quite a lot
[13:26] <Sysi> I have few more to try..
[13:26] <knome> it might also be those public library scratched cd's ;)
[13:27] <Sysi> that should affect plauback too, these were in quite nice condition
[13:27] <Sysi> I'll try reboot for the sake of HAL
[13:27] <Sysi> only the CD first inserted after boot works
[13:28] <knome> hah
[13:28] <knome> just try any other ripping software...
[13:32] <nsuff> I've just lost my title bars and footers from all application windows. Anyone got a clue why, or how to get them back?
[13:33] <Sysi> what, asunder looks exatly the same but it's faster and betterly translated
[13:35] <knome> Sysi, it forces a year from the release it thinks must be the correct one
[13:35] <knome> Sysi, eg. if imdb says there must be only one release to match your cd, the tracks get that year, and you can't change it
[13:36] <Sysi> I never care about the year :P
[13:36] <Sysi> I have badly-tagged music anyway
[13:36] <knome> it also forces a genre, if you delete the genre, it will fill the genre field with some nonsense, not leave it empty
[13:37] <Sysi> I never look that either, but I can set it
[13:38] <Sysi> this can only do 245Kbps mp3
[13:38] <Sysi> ah, VBR limits it, wonder what that actually means
[13:39] <Sysi> (variable bitrate but what does it *do*)
[13:41] <knome> Sysi, when the encoding needs to use a higher bitrate, it does, and when it doesn't, it doesn't. vbr 245kpbs means that 245kbps is the average bitrate per frame.
[13:42] <Sysi> smaller files with high quality, I'll keep my 320
[13:42] <knome> vbr is usually files.
[13:42] <knome> errr
[13:42] <knome> s/files/wise/
[13:42] <knome> but however you like
[13:43] <Sysi> also this apparently rips to wav and then converts that to mp3, is that normal?
[13:43] <knome> no idea
[13:43] <Sysi> or thunar fails
[14:02] <fpihl> hi guys, boot-time is fast on my crappy laptop,  but it takes close to a minute when login in till I see my desktop. Then I'm met with 10 instances of this message "No running instance of xfce4-panel was found" What
[14:03] <fpihl> any advice on which files to check to find problem?
[14:04] <madnick> plantoschka: perhaps add xfce4-panel to startup
[14:04] <fpihl> already there...
[14:04] <madnick> hm
[14:05] <madnick> is xfwm running?
[14:05] <plantoschka> ?
[14:06] <fpihl> not sure, don't see a pid
[14:07] <fpihl> in.config/autostart I have xfce-panel.desktop. other places to check?
[14:08] <madnick> I had a similar problem recently, i just loaded a new configuration by renaming the old, not optimal i guess
[14:09] <fpihl> you mean rename .config/ and the reboot?
[14:09] <madnick> not .config
[14:09] <madnick> but
[14:10] <madnick> i renamed xfce4
[14:10] <madnick> in .config
[14:11] <fpihl> ah, I'll give that a shot...
[14:20] <fpihl> I'm back, reneming ./config/xfce4 did not solve the issue. See http://askubuntu.com/questions/50984/xubuntu-slow-login-and-multiple-instances-of-xfce4-panel for some screenshots
[14:24] <madnick> what does it say in Settings->Session and startup
[14:26] <fpihl> xfce-panel is checked. Should I look for anything else?
[14:26] <madnick> Dont acctually know, what I thought was happening was
[14:27] <madnick> The session was saved, running several xfce4-panels, that failed when you logged in again since always running or similar
[14:27] <madnick> But that is clearly not the case
[14:28] <fpihl> Is that even possible, since only 1 instance of xfce-panel is allowed to be running?
[14:29] <madnick> thus the problem
[14:29] <fpihl> :-)
[14:30] <fpihl> thanks for your help though, I'll continue to see if I can solve this...
[14:30] <madnick> good luck
[14:50] <fpihl> madnick: (if you're still here) solved the problem by clearing the session cache ( ~/.cache/sessions/...)
[15:15] <gNewPower> Hi!  How can I make XFCE show me a short message to tell me which desktop I am on when I switch desktops?  Thanks
[16:09] <gNewPower> Hi!  How can I make XFCE show me a short message to tell me which desktop I am on when I switch desktops?  Thanks
[16:10] <Sysi> no need to repeat, xfce window manager doesn't offer that but you could try openbox for example
[16:10] <gNewPower> Sysi, thanks
[16:10] <Sysi> install it and run openbox --replace
[16:11] <gNewPower> k, thanks.
[17:14] <nullm0dem> ralink = trash :-/
[18:14] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 45 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[18:59] <charlie-tca> Meeting time in #xubuntu-devel
[21:28] <jnsl_> ristretto next button is grayed out always
[21:30] <Sysi> set it up to open entire folder when you open image, or use space key (for first switch)
[21:30] <knome> Sysi, afaik there is NO WAY to make ristretto open a folder, except from it's file menu (OMG!)
[21:31] <Sysi> knome: iirc by default it opens just a single image
[21:31] <Sysi> though I'm not sure if it was like than on xubuntu
[21:31] <knome> Sysi, yes, but there is no CLI parameter either. i just checked that a few days ago
[21:32] <Sysi> knome: well I have it opening all pics from folder, it's one tap in settings
[21:33] <knome> Sysi, where?
[21:33] <knome> oh right
[21:33] <Sysi> I don't have new xubuntu in hand but it wasn't really hidden
[21:33] <knome> BOO for me..
[21:33] <knome> yeah
[21:33] <knome> it was hidden enough
[21:33] <knome> and it's weird that there is no CLI option for that...
[21:33] <knome> to override the default
[23:53] <IrrationlArtist> Hello, then?
[23:53] <IrrationlArtist> Anyone there?
[23:54] <GridCube> yep
[23:54] <GridCube> !ask
[23:54] <GridCube> !anyone
[23:54] <GridCube> :D hello IrrationlArtist
[23:54] <GridCube> whats your problem :)
[23:55] <IrrationlArtist> Okay, I've tried several times to compile the Gwibber 3.2.1 beta on Xubuntu natty, and cannot do it. Too much of a command line n00b to know the exact problem, but I know it's something with dependencies. Can't fix it. Any ideas?
[23:55] <IrrationlArtist> Everywhere else has been dead silent on advice, so I'd thought I'd try here :)
[23:56] <knome> IrrationlArtist, can you paste the output to pastebin?
[23:56] <knome> !pastebin
[23:56] <IrrationlArtist> Hmmm... Okay.
[23:56] <knome> then we'll be able to help out more
[23:58] <IrrationlArtist> Sorry, gotta re-dl the source, I seem to have deleted it.
[23:59]  * GridCube gotta go home now
[23:59] <charlie-tca> Why not use gwibber from the repositories or ppa?