[00:05] <RAOF> Viper550: Yeah, you need to install gnome-tweak-tool to twiddle those knobs.
[00:05] <Viper550> RAOF, I know ... but gnome-tweak-tool has shell and the like as its dependencies
[00:06] <RAOF> Yeah.  That doesn't bother me though.  We should end up with something better than gnome-tweak-tool, though.
[03:19] <thumper> phew...
[03:19] <thumper> everything is working again
[04:05] <jeffrash> quick question about the notification area in Unity.
[04:06] <jeffrash> I've run into several apps that there icons just do not display in Unity
[04:06] <jeffrash> is there a plan to address that problem?
[04:06] <jeffrash> or are you going to require the individual app developer to add support for unity?
[05:21] <didrocks> good morning
[07:00] <oSoMoN> good morning
[12:35] <andyrock> njpatel, around?
[12:36] <njpatel> andyrock, hey
[12:36] <njpatel> andyrock, did you have a chance to update your branch?
[12:36] <andyrock> njpatel, i solved all conflicts (too many conflicts!) in ldevice branch
[12:37] <njpatel> andyrock, nice!
[12:37]  * njpatel looks
[12:37] <andyrock> njpatel, My brother graduated a few days ago so i had no too much time, but i did
[12:38] <njpatel> andyrock, no worries, dude, family > code ;)
[12:38] <njpatel> andyrock, I have one meeting now but I'll merge this right after, thank you!
[12:39] <andyrock> njpatel, thank you too :) goog meeting... see you
[12:52] <njpatel> andyrock, merged, thank you :D
[12:53] <andyrock> njpatel, thx you againg :)
[13:33] <andyrock> JohnLea, ping
[13:35] <JohnLea> andyrock, pong
[13:36] <andyrock> JohnLea, about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/750311
[13:36] <andyrock> could you give me more information?
[13:36] <andyrock> for example the color of the background...
[13:37] <JohnLea> andyrock; The pulse should be one cycle of the 'loading' pulse, same background colour, same in all respects other than it only pulses once
[13:39] <andyrock> JohnLea, ok... it should pulse only if the dragged item belong to launcher?
[13:40] <JohnLea> andyrock; it should pulse in response to both normal files being moved into the trash,  launcher items being removed, and usb key's ejected.  Basically it should always pulse
[13:41] <andyrock> JohnLea, ok ok... thx!
[13:41] <JohnLea> andyrock; no thank you ;-)
[13:53] <andyrock> JohnLea, mmm... i cannot test dnd from destkop to launcher trash icon as it is break in trunk!
[13:53] <andyrock> someone could confirm? ^^^
[14:22] <om26er> DBO, is current ctrl+tab switcher supposed to move to alt+tab ?
[14:22] <DBO> om26er, when it is feature complete yes
[14:23] <om26er> DBO, thx, its looking good btw :)
[15:03] <andyrock> someone could tell me how build unity-window-decorator from sources?
[15:03] <andyrock> i get errors...
[15:15] <mgedmin> andyrock, if you could paste the build log somewhere like http://paste.ubuntu.com/, we might hazard a guess
[15:17] <andyrock> http://paste.ubuntu.com/652472/
[15:17] <andyrock> mgedmin, ???
[15:17] <andyrock> ^^^
[15:17] <mgedmin> okay, I haven't seen that one
[15:18] <mgedmin> does it help if you try 'make' without -j2 ?
[15:18]  * mgedmin <- not a unity developer, just a bystander
[15:18] <andyrock> i think not... -j2 is for using two core :)
[15:20] <mgedmin> yes, but some makefiles are buggy and do not support parallel builds
[15:20] <mgedmin> and since I didn't see any errors about missing include files, I've no other ideas why those types would be undefined
[15:21] <mgedmin> perhaps one of the knowledgeable people will wake up and be able to help you better
[15:22] <andyrock> i've tried without -j2 but i get anyway the error
[15:24] <njpatel> andyrock, you did sudo apt-get build-dep compiz?
[15:25] <jcastro> andyrock: hi! Looking for me earlier, sorry I've been moving house for the past week, I am back now though
[15:26] <njpatel> andyrock, jcastro is lying, he's a slacker!
[15:26] <jcastro> njpatel: no more vacations for you, when you leave no one merges!
[15:27] <njpatel> I had a vacation? I was unwell!
[15:27] <njpatel> jcastro, it's weird, right? Like they forget *every* week
[15:28] <jcastro> njpatel: right, holiday, sick, whatever. :)
[15:28] <jcastro> j/k glad to have you back
[15:28] <jcastro> njpatel: anything notable over the last 2 weeks? We're working on the report now
[15:28] <didrocks> jcastro: I updated the desktop team meeting report in case it can help
[15:29] <njpatel> jcastro, andyrock's device stuff is in, first cut of alt+tab (well, ctrl+tab right now), lots more fixes,
[15:29] <njpatel> jcastro, the real fun starts from this and next week ;)
[15:30] <jcastro> heh
[15:31] <jcastro> http://pad.ubuntu.com/unity-report-26Jul
[15:32] <jcastro> I just need to add the desktop team report bits
[15:32] <jcastro> njpatel: check it out
[15:34] <njpatel> jcastro, perfecto
[15:35] <andyrock> njpatel, smspillaz is helping about unity window decorator
[15:35] <njpatel> andyrock, sweet
[15:58] <jcastro> DBO: does the download bar and emblem stuff all work on new alt-tab?
[15:58] <jcastro> if you have a screenshot handy that would be awesome
[16:06] <njpatel> jcastro, ping me
[16:07] <jcastro> njpatel: ping
[16:07] <njpatel> jcastro,  at least the emblem works
[16:08] <njpatel> jcastro, what uses the progress stuff?
[16:08] <njpatel> i can make a screenshot, dbo is at the dentist
[16:08] <jcastro> ubuntu one does
[16:09] <jcastro> oh
[16:09] <jcastro> and update-manager
[16:09] <njpatel> okay, ping me again
[16:09] <jcastro> njpatel: ping
[16:10] <njpatel> jcastro, so no download yet, let me give you the shot, hold up
[16:11] <njpatel> jcastro, http://goo.gl/AkGfF
[16:13] <jcastro> what's up with that xchat icon?
[16:14] <Trevinho> Oh, I'm just arrived at home... Meeting in progress? :P
[16:14] <njpatel> jcastro, needs a nicer one
[16:14] <njpatel> jcastro, we're going to see a lot of that now with this new switcher...maybe it'll kick some people up the butt to make nice icons :)
[16:15] <njpatel> Trevinho, !
[16:15] <njpatel> how are you dude?
[16:15] <Trevinho> Fine thanks njpatel
[16:15] <njpatel> Trevinho, ted told me about the middle-click stuf on the indicator...very cool idea
[16:16] <njpatel> (tying it to a menuitem)
[16:16] <Trevinho> ehehe
[16:16] <Trevinho> It was a very asked thing
[16:16] <njpatel> yep
[16:16] <Trevinho> I've implemented it in all the framework... unity and unity-2d included :P
[16:16] <njpatel> i saw...nice one!
[16:16] <Trevinho> Also if actually just the indicator-sound uses it
[16:17] <njpatel> but appindicator supports it too right?
[16:17] <Trevinho> I'd like to use also for other stuffs, like the nautilus progress dialog, or other indicators
[16:17] <njpatel> so it's available to everyone
[16:17] <jcastro> njpatel: the app icons I'm not as worried about as I am of webapp icons, which look horrible even on the launcher, let alone alt-tab
[16:17] <Trevinho> to get faster user experience
[16:17] <Trevinho> yes njpatel
[16:17] <Trevinho> but an appindicator must associate a menuitem to that signal
[16:17] <njpatel> yep
[16:17] <njpatel> i really like that
[16:17] <Trevinho> so we're sure that an option is available also as menu-item
[16:18] <Trevinho> and not only as a secnodary-activate "plus"
[16:18] <njpatel> right
[16:19] <Trevinho> Basically a gtk widget that can be activated, that is enabled, visible and clickable and that is a child of the main menu can be used
[16:20] <Trevinho> Unfortunately working on this stuff involves to work on many, many projects, but we must do that
[16:21] <Trevinho> jcastro: can you include the indicator secondary-activate support in report too?
[16:21] <Trevinho> :P
[16:21] <jcastro> is that the middle click thing?
[16:22] <jcastro> I've already submitted it, mind if I just put it in next week's?
[16:22] <Trevinho> Already submitted? Ah, I didn't read
[16:22] <Trevinho> Ah, jcastro this week I also resumed the support for scrolling over the indicators which was broken...
[16:23] <jcastro> ok, from now on idle here and I'll ping you before hand. :)
[16:23] <jcastro> I always miss something you're working on, heh
[16:24] <Trevinho> No problem...
[16:24] <Trevinho> Ah, and for unity-2d there's also a fix for supporting scrolling over the indicators (that has never worked before)
[16:25] <jcastro> Trevinho: oh I know, when it comes up on OMG just leave a comment with all the goodies
[16:26] <jcastro> njpatel: man dude, the overflow collapsing on the alt-tab is so nice
[16:26] <jcastro> it's like a sideways launcher
[16:26] <Trevinho> Ah, ok... No problem... I just want you to know them, since you don't have to think I'm sleeping :D
[16:27] <jcastro> Trevinho: it's ok, we all know you're working harder than tedg
[16:28] <Trevinho> lol... No, tedg is my mentor and improves all my things! :)
[16:29] <njpatel> jcastro, exactly :)
[16:30] <Trevinho> njpatel: I've also started working on something about panelview and indicators
[16:30] <API> didrocks, njpatel after an update I was not able to start the system using unity, I'm not talking about the repositories, it also happens with the deb packages
[16:30] <API> is this normal, or something specific to my environment?
[16:30] <Trevinho> The entries need to move, and not to be shown "per indicator"....
[16:31] <didrocks> API: how long ago was it?
[16:31] <didrocks> API: there is a light-themes package which shoul workaround the issue
[16:31] <API> didrocks, you mean when I updated the packages?
[16:31] <didrocks> yeah :)
[16:31] <Trevinho> So that unity-panel-serivice defines the order to show them, while the panel shows them correctly...
[16:31] <API> some hours ago
[16:32] <didrocks> API: hum, unity didn't change from last Thursday and compiz for a week, you didn't update before?
[16:32] <didrocks> API: I guess you are in the case of people who are still impacted even with the workaround
[16:32] <didrocks> njpatel: ^^
[16:34] <njpatel> Trevinho, what?! :)
[16:34] <njpatel> API, does unity print anything out?
[16:35] <API> didrocks, I have the more recent light-themes package
[16:36] <didrocks> ok, so you are part of those where it doesn't workaround
[16:36] <njpatel> API, do this:
[16:36] <njpatel> API, killlall -9 unity-window-decorator; gtk-window-decorator --replace&
[16:36] <njpatel> API, killall -9 compiz; compiz --replace&;
[16:36] <njpatel> and see what happens
[16:36] <API> njpatel,
[16:36] <API> http://pastebin.com/85PeAzpm
[16:36] <API> output of unity > log.txt
[16:36] <API> http://pastebin.com/TEYxAgsf
[16:36] <API> output of unity --replace 2> log.txt
[16:37] <API> and now I will test your suggestion
[16:37] <tedg> njpatel, Using the name_hints to do ordering instead of the just library names.  So that things like network manager can be in the proper location.
[16:38] <Trevinho> njpatel: As discussed at the UDS session about indicators, there's should be a way to show some "system" appindicators (i.e. nm-applet) in the correct order. As they are app-indicators, and so entries of the indicator appindicator they would be shown in order as the indicator orders them. But there's no way to put some of them between indicator-messages and indicator-datetime (for example). So I'm
[16:38] <Trevinho>  doing this, as tedg told me that this is something that is just up to unity
[16:38] <njpatel> tedg, Trevinho sounds like fun
[16:39] <njpatel> tremolux, sweet
[16:39] <API> njpatel, about the first:
[16:39] <API> unity-window-decorator: no process found
[16:39] <Trevinho> njpatel: Basically I actually done something where the panel service tells to unity the order of each entry (if known)
[16:39] <Trevinho> so the panel should respect that given order too
[16:39] <njpatel> API, no problem, just start gtk-window-decorator --replace& then
[16:40] <njpatel> tremolux, hmm, the order is inferred by the order in which the data is sent
[16:40] <njpatel> Trevinho, ^
[16:40] <njpatel> tremolux, sorry :)
[16:41] <njpatel> Trevinho, the other issue is that panel expects all entries to stay inside their object
[16:41] <njpatel> indicator-object*
[16:41] <njpatel> Trevinho, its going to be a bit harder to make that work right :/
[16:41] <Trevinho> I know
[16:42] <Trevinho> In fact I was thinking, at the beginning, of crating some "fake" indicator-objects
[16:42] <Trevinho> but tedg told me that we should just use the name...
[16:42] <njpatel> Trevinho, that would work, you could keep a space for the nm menu
[16:43] <njpatel> Trevinho, no, I mean create a "fake" object in the panel-service
[16:43] <Trevinho> Yes, but it would be a workaround however... And not only that menu has to be moved
[16:43] <njpatel> Trevinho, yep
[16:43] <Trevinho> Mh, I'd redesign that completely...
[16:43] <njpatel> hmm
[16:43] <Trevinho> Mh, I'll try to continue what I've in my mind
[16:43] <Trevinho> then if it works I'll show you my code...
[16:44] <njpatel> coolio
[16:45] <joey> alejandra: ping
[16:47] <joey> or dbarth ping
[16:48] <joey> nhandler: these are two good contacts for you re: your question ^^
[16:54] <nhandler> alejandra, dbarth: Since I'm going to be running out and I want to minimize the back-and-forth, I'm essentially trying to find a good channel to forward #ubuntu-app-devel too. I was originally thinking to forward it here, but joey didn't feel it would be a good fit. What do you guys think?
[16:55] <czajkowski> alejandra: hey you about ??
[16:56] <alejandra> czajkowski, hey laura!
[16:57] <czajkowski> alejandra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/816041  not sure who to assign that to
[16:59] <alejandra> czajkowski, hey laura, should be in ubuntu-website-content
[17:00] <czajkowski> alejandra: for assigning ?
[17:00] <alejandra> czajkowski, ellen arnold please
[17:01] <alejandra> czajkowski, (new web project manager)
[17:02] <czajkowski> won't let me :/
[17:03] <API> njpatel, well, I think that I have waited enough ;), sorry no luck, it gets also frozen, on the terminal the last step that I see is "Initializating session options: done"
[17:04] <njpatel> API, hmm, that doesn't make sense :/
[17:04] <njpatel> didrocks, switching gtk-window-decorator didn't work either :/
[17:04] <didrocks> njpatel: hum, weird. API: does using another session, like ubuntu 2d works?
[17:05] <API> didrocks, well, I'm right now writing on the IRC, so yes
[17:05] <API> I didn't test ubuntu 2D
[17:05] <API> GNOME (so gnome-shell) and gnome classic (without effects)
[17:05] <API> worked
[17:05] <API> AFAIR, gnome classic
[17:05] <API> with effects also failed
[17:05] <API> I will test it
[17:05] <didrocks> API: and starting unity from there? with gtk-w-d from the start?
[17:06] <API> didrocks, ok, I will try gnome classic without effects
[17:06] <didrocks> (you can change that in ccsm to force this decorator)
[17:06] <API> execute gtk-window-decorator by hand
[17:06] <API> and then run unity --replace
[17:06] <didrocks> yeah, that should work
[17:06] <API> ok, I will try
[17:06]  * API trying
[17:08] <API> didrocks, well, I have just run unity --replace
[17:08] <API> but it seems frozen again
[17:08] <didrocks> API: did you run the gtk-w-d before?
[17:09] <API> that should work fine or it is normal waiting for some time
[17:09] <API> didrocks, yes I executed gtk-window-decorator before
[17:09] <API> that should work fine or it is normal waiting for some time ?
[17:09]  * API I forget that question mark
[17:09] <didrocks> yeah, it should work
[17:09] <API> :/
[17:09] <didrocks> njpatel: seems there is another issue then ^^
[17:10] <API> fwiw using top
[17:10] <API> compiz consumes 95-100% CPU
[17:10] <njpatel> wtf
[17:10] <didrocks> yeah, seems related to the latest compiz then
[17:10] <API> and btw, I also had some problems with gnome-settings-daemon
[17:11] <API> well, in order to add more info now, recently I moved to 64 bits
[17:11] <API> althouth some weeks ago when I bought
[17:11] <API> it
[17:11] <API> I was able to get unity running here
[17:19] <API> njpatel, didrocks gdb backtrace of the frozen compiz
[17:19] <API> http://pastebin.com/JeGVMkcF
[17:30] <njpatel> jay!
[17:30] <njpatel> jaytaoko, dude ^
[17:30] <njpatel> please help API with that
[17:31] <API> njpatel, well, the weird thing is that it is happening only to me, as far as I see
[17:31] <API> as I said this is using unity & nux from the repositories
[17:31] <API> ...
[17:31] <API> I will try then with the sources
[17:34] <njpatel> API, maybe something is missing or it could just be a memory error, jaytaoko would know for sure
[17:35] <Casper8> Hello
[17:39] <Casper8> I'd like to make developers of unity with access to the code aware of a very easy to fix and confirmed memory leak bug - if this a good place to do so. I'm afraid otherwise this fix won't be included in the 11.10 release, seeing that it such a trivial fix.
[17:42] <API> njpatel, ok, anyway I will need to go home soon
[17:42] <API> should I send a mail to jay, or just create a bug?
[17:46] <njpatel> API, create a bug and assign to jay :)
[17:48] <API> njpatel, ok
[17:48] <API> and thanks
[17:52] <Casper8> Any unity coders in here? I've got a one liner fix for a confirmed memory leak bug in unity.
[17:53] <andyrock> Casper8, do you have a merging proposal?
[17:53] <Casper8> yes, thanks for your time, here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/812975
[17:55] <andyrock> Casper8, this a bug report... you should open a branch
[17:56] <Casper8> oh im sorry, im only responding to a suggestion in the report which pointed me to IRC
[17:57] <Casper8> not sure what to do then, thanks anyway :)
[17:58] <andyrock> Casper8, maybe you could ping a unity developer (i'm just a unity community contributor)
[17:58] <andyrock> and suggets him your patch...
[17:59] <andyrock> but using bzr is better according to me :)
[17:59] <Casper8> andyrock, how do I ping a unity developer? no idea really
[17:59] <andyrock> ping + name of the developer :)
[17:59] <andyrock> but i can help you with bzr
[17:59] <Casper8> andyrock, I don't want to 'annoy' the developer or be spammy, so if it's not a good idea to this, I'm ok with it being simply in launchpad
[18:00] <andyrock> Casper8, indeed
[18:00] <andyrock> if you want i can help you in putting your patch in launchpad ;)
[18:01] <Casper8> andyrock, thanks I'll do that
[18:01] <andyrock> Casper8, ping me when you need support
[18:01] <Casper8> oh sorry, I misread - can you make a patch for me? I mean it's just one line
[18:02] <Casper8> ok ill make a patch later this week and I can ping you?
[18:04] <andyrock> i can make a patch for you if you want but it is not correct and fair :)
[18:05] <andyrock> it is better if you make the patch and put it on launchpad
[18:05] <andyrock> :)
[18:07] <jaytaoko> njpatel: hello
[18:08] <Casper8> andyrock, ok I'll make a patch later this week
[18:08] <andyrock> Casper8, ok ok
[18:09] <jaytaoko> API: hi!
[18:13] <API> jaytaoko, hi
[18:14] <API> im planning to create a bug with all the info
[18:14] <API> just in case
[18:14] <API> before of that I will compile again from the sources
[18:15] <jaytaoko> API: What is the problem that you are having? is this a crash?
[18:15] <API> jaytaoko,
[18:15] <API> no
[18:15] <API> compiz get frozen
[18:15] <API> I already waited for some minutes
[18:15] <API> I included a backtrace
[18:15] <API> but it was a backtrace of the compiz running
[18:37] <ephan> hey
[18:42] <API> jaytaoko, I have just created the bug
[18:42] <API> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nux/+bug/816589
[18:42] <API> sorry, I need to go home
[18:42] <API> thanks, and by
[18:42] <API> e
[18:42] <jaytaoko> API: thanks!
[18:43] <API> jaytaoko, you are welcome
[19:39] <Trevinho> jaytaoko: did you see my PM :P
[19:58] <ephan> I'm just wondering, is there anybody portuguese on this channel?