[00:00] <edwardthefma> ok but if i  fsck with live to will fix the har driv probles
[00:02] <phillw> live cd or telling grub will have the same effect
[00:06] <edwardthefma> ok
[00:06] <edwardthefma> now i just to to read up on how to run fsck
[00:06] <edwardthefma> :)
[00:08] <edwardthefma> i seously need to get a second monter
[00:19] <phillw> edwardthefma: I always use the -y option (-y == Just get on with it and get the bl**ming thing working, if you can) :P
[00:20] <edwardthefma> ok
[00:21] <phillw> can you actually boot into the system?
[00:21] <edwardthefma> sry i was afk
[00:22] <phillw> np, I was on different channel :)
[00:22] <phillw> does your lubuntu system actually boot?
[00:23] <edwardthefma> yes i got a live disc i just started it a few min ago
[00:23] <phillw> ah, from the cd... okies.. let me check
[00:24] <phillw> drop to terminal and do sudo fdisk -l
[00:24] <edwardthefma> kkk
[00:25] <phillw> you should see entries beginning /dev/sda
[00:29] <edwardthefma> invaled operation 1
[00:29] <phillw> no, it is the small L not the number one... I know, a right bitch :P
[00:30] <edwardthefma> invaled option lol
[00:30] <phillw> l = list ... 1 is so blooming close, it is an ever PITA
[00:30] <edwardthefma> XD
[00:31] <phillw> in the terminal window, is the prompt # or $ ?
[00:32] <phillw> for example, mine is phillw@piglet:~$
[00:32] <edwardthefma> ok i did that
[00:33] <phillw> how many areas sda do you have?
[00:33] <phillw> a standard one should be 3 areas.
[00:34] <edwardthefma> give me a sec to loacte my wifi adapter
[00:34] <edwardthefma> find
[00:34] <edwardthefma> and ill past bin the out put
[00:35] <phillw> okies... if you have a lot of entries for sda, then pastebin will be better :D
[00:36] <edwardthefma> im glad i found a cheep wifi card that works with linux
[00:36] <edwardthefma> XD 20$  @ bestbuy
[00:36] <edwardthefma> XD 20$  @ bestbuy
[00:46] <edwardthefma> grr cars not workin
[00:46] <edwardthefma> card
[00:46] <edwardthefma> but i gotz a usb drive
[00:53] <edwardthefma>  <phillw>  http://pastebin.com/rDRKHDpr
[00:55] <phillw> okies, it is sda1 we need...
[00:55] <phillw> ensure the drive is not mounted
[00:57] <edwardthefma> ok how i i tell that
[00:58] <edwardthefma> you a fan of anime
[00:58] <edwardthefma> :)
[00:58] <phillw> type in 'mount'
[00:58] <phillw> without the ''s
[00:59] <phillw> it should not appear on that list
[01:00] <edwardthefma> ok i did
[01:00] <edwardthefma> 1 sec pasting the out put now
[01:05] <linuxman410> there is a os called trisquel that only uses 1.5 gig of harddrive space and it is lxde
[01:06] <phillw> linuxman410: there are many slim-line linux's out there, even the lubuntu page suggests some for people to follow. however having 1.5GB install and a system that has general functuallity are two very different things :)
[01:08] <phillw> linuxman410: have a play with zenix... a nice stable system, linked to the ubuntu repos.
[01:08] <linuxman410> phillw it is very functional
[01:10] <phillw> 70MB of RAM and 1.9GB of HD including swap... http://zenix-os.net/index.html
[01:10] <linuxman410> phillw does it have a simple install
[01:10] <phillw> but, what what else would i expect from the guys who wanted to have a 'play'?
[01:11] <phillw> linuxman410: same as ubuntu does... iso  ( I actually hold a mirror for them). Those guys have helped lubuntu behind the scenes a hell of a lot.
[01:12] <phillw> linuxman410: you will see that on  http://zenix-os.net/download.html :D
[01:16] <edwardthefma> im starting to hate this pc
[01:17] <linuxman410> phillw i wish they had more bandwith it says download is going to take 1 hr and 25 minutes
[01:18] <edwardthefma>  <phillw>  http://pastebin.com/mLdPKnjT
[01:18] <phillw> linuxman410: try my link?
[01:19] <linuxman410> ok
[01:19] <phillw> linuxman410: mirror2
[01:19] <phillw> that is from a commercial server, I'm told it goes at a good speed?
[01:20] <phillw> edwardthefma: the disk is not mounted :)
[01:20]  * phillw waves to IAmNotThatGuy
[01:21] <IAmNotThatGuy> Morning phillw =] Just a two hours sleep :)
[01:21] <phillw> IAmNotThatGuy: ah, sleep.... i'm sure that is on my list of things to do....
[01:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> lol
[01:22] <phillw> edwardthefma: issue sudo -i
[01:22] <phillw> IAmNotThatGuy: unless you wish to take over a fsck for someone who as never done it before and is running on liveCD?
[01:23] <IAmNotThatGuy> Grrr! I have to leave now. thats why I woke up early
[01:23] <IAmNotThatGuy> where is stlsaint ?
[01:24] <phillw> IAmNotThatGuy: tucked up safely in his cell... it is nearly full moon - we have to improisn him
[01:25] <IAmNotThatGuy> :|
[01:25] <phillw> edwardthefma: I have about 30 minutes of useful life left, can we get this done before I have to log off
[01:27] <linuxman410> phillw you still here
[01:27] <phillw> indeed
[01:28] <linuxman410> will that zenix run with lubuntu on same drive
[01:29]  * phillw ah well, I am not going to spend more time with edward. bioterror if he comes back on, I got as far as I could. 
[01:29] <phillw> linuxman410: why not ask bodhizazen ?
[01:29] <phillw> bodhizazen: (02:28:40) linuxman410: will that zenix run with lubuntu on same drive
[01:30]  * phillw flees
[01:30] <bodhizazen> yes linuxman410 , you mean dual boot ?
[01:30] <bodhizazen> Zenix also runs just fine as a live CD / iso =)
[01:30] <phillw> linuxman410: like all linuxes, it will be happy
[01:31] <linuxman410> bodhizazen yes dual boot
[01:31] <bodhizazen> If you have a problem linuxman410 , just ask
[01:31] <linuxman410> ok
[01:32] <bodhizazen> It seems to have been rock solid for most, run it live to check out your hardware and make sure you like it enough to install
[01:32] <linuxman410> phillw there are 2 distros i could not figure out that is slackware and arch
[01:32] <bodhizazen> Those two are fairly similar , IMO
[01:33] <bodhizazen> slackware is very stable, runs nice on old hardwar, again IMO
[01:33] <bodhizazen> arch, just takes a little reading
[01:33] <bodhizazen> You have to understand Arch to install it, and if you understand it enough to install, sys admin arch is a snap
[01:34] <edwardthefma>  issue sudo -i
[01:34] <edwardthefma> or sudo -i
[01:35] <edwardthefma> i did both
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[01:35] <phillw> edwardthefma: yes, that will give you a # at the end of your terminal name
[01:35] <phillw> sudo -i
[01:35] <edwardthefma> root@ubuntu#
[01:35] <phillw> if you already have # at the end, it is  not required
[01:36] <phillw> that is cool
[01:37] <edwardthefma> this is going to be awsome once i fix this pc
[01:37] <linuxman410> phillw lubuntu is my favorite even though i am a member of the ubuntu team
[01:38] <edwardthefma> then i can go to the next POJ in my closet
[01:38] <edwardthefma> i rember i used to colect old computers that wer crap
[01:38] <edwardthefma> wen i was like 15
[01:39] <edwardthefma> XD
[01:39] <linuxman410> edwardthefma i still have a couple running rambus memory
[01:40] <edwardthefma> lol
[01:41] <edwardthefma> well im thinking about donating all my old pc to the vfw
[01:41] <phillw> bodhizazen: soz to bother you, a while since I've issued fsck for others. he is on LiveCD and the HD is not mounted. It is at /dev/sda1 Is 'fsck -F ext4 -y /dev/sda1' okay?
[01:41] <edwardthefma> so thay can sell them for $$ for the troops
[01:41] <bodhizazen> Should be fine phillw
[01:42] <phillw> edwardthefma: as fsck is quite a major thing, I'd like a 2nd opinion. I would run it myself on my own system. .... Ahh, that is a go :)
[01:42] <phillw> fsck -F ext4 -y /dev/sda1
[01:42] <bodhizazen> fsck will warn you if there is a problem
[01:46] <bodhizazen> phillw, http://fpaste.org/YFqz/
[01:46] <phillw> And, just so you can all have a laugh.. I did one time run fsck on a live system. so, do not laugh at those who have done so. There was blood and guts everywhere after I'd finished kicking myself. :)
[01:48] <phillw> bodhizazen: I only wish I got that alert when I did mine! (it was back in the good old days of 9.04 --> 9.10. grub -->grub2, ext3-->ext4.... I messed up a couple of times :P )
[01:49] <bodhizazen> ouch
[01:49] <edwardthefma> himm im not getting any thing from that command
[01:49] <phillw> edwardthefma: you should not, silence is golden :)
[01:49] <bodhizazen> edwardthefma, is the command running still ?
[01:49] <bodhizazen> Leave it be
[01:50] <edwardthefma> it just printed instrutions for use
[01:51] <bodhizazen> fsck -ya /dev/sda1
[01:52] <edwardthefma> grrrr sry dc
[01:52] <phillw> edwardthefma: np, is that command working?
[01:53] <phillw> As in, has it gone off and doing some work?
[01:56] <edwardthefma> only one of the options -p / -a
[01:56] <edwardthefma> -n or -y may be specafid
[01:59] <edwardthefma> well im getting tyerd
[02:00] <edwardthefma> i got to go soon
[02:00] <bodhizazen> fsck -y then edwardthefma
[02:01] <edwardthefma> ok did
[02:02] <edwardthefma> let me type the out put
[02:03] <bodhizazen> edwardthefma, pastebin ?
[02:03] <phillw> bodhizazen: ahh, the subtle approach then.... Well, in fairness - it was warned that under the rules we would only use the force required.
[02:03] <bodhizazen> you can copy-paste to pastebin
[02:04] <edwardthefma> yes 1 sec it isnt that long tho
[02:04] <edwardthefma> its like 2 lines
[02:05] <edwardthefma> /dev/sda1: clean, 8502/4792320 files < 66108/19153664 blocks
[02:06] <bodhizazen> OK, looks good edwardthefma
[02:06] <bodhizazen> fsck did it's magic
[02:07] <edwardthefma> ok now i try to boot with out the live <phillw>
[02:08] <edwardthefma> ok ill try now
[02:08]  * edwardthefma crosses his fingers
[02:09]  * phillw goes for a nicotine enhancement (not allowed to say a "quick fag" the americans get the totally the wrong idea :P )
[02:10] <bodhizazen> totally phillw , I got the worng idea just reading that
[02:12] <edwardthefma> nope it didint fix the problem
[02:13] <edwardthefma> im just going to have to try a diffrent distro
[02:13] <edwardthefma> on this pc
[02:13] <edwardthefma> :(
[02:13] <edwardthefma> puppylinux shuld work
[02:13] <edwardthefma> XD
[02:14] <edwardthefma> thx for the help bodhizazen phillw
[02:15] <bodhizazen> what problem do you have when you boot exactly ?
[02:16] <edwardthefma>  [ 10.547657] vt596_smbus 0000:00:14.4:smbus: error smbus controler not enabled! _upgrade bios or use force=1
[02:17] <bodhizazen> OK, boot again, and edit the boot line to include force=1
[02:18] <edwardthefma> ok how do i do that
[02:19] <edwardthefma> you mean boot with a live cd
[02:19] <bodhizazen> When it boots, how far does it get ? Do you get a grub menu ?
[02:19] <edwardthefma> yes i get grubb
[02:19] <bodhizazen> OK, at the grub menu ...
[02:19] <bodhizazen> hit e for edit
[02:19] <bodhizazen> edit the kernel line ...
[02:19] <bodhizazen> At the ned of the kernel line add force=1
[02:19] <bodhizazen> then bot
[02:20] <bodhizazen> 8boot
[02:22] <edwardthefma> ok wich line would that be
[02:22] <edwardthefma> give me a genral disription on waht it looks like
[02:24] <bodhizazen> kernel /vmlinux ....
[02:26] <edwardthefma> kjj
[02:26] <edwardthefma>  /linux /boot/vmlinus-26.35-22-generic root=uuid=3094561d
[02:27] <edwardthefma> that 1
[02:28] <bodhizazen> yep, that is the one edwardthefma
[02:28] <edwardthefma> i dont see the letters ned
[02:28] <bodhizazen> did not know puppy was using gurb 2 , sorry
[02:28] <bodhizazen> arrow down to highlight the line, hit e
[02:31] <edwardthefma> i cant hilight the line
[02:31] <edwardthefma> and its grub 1 i think
[02:32] <edwardthefma> brb im going to go get a cookie
[02:32] <edwardthefma> who wants 1
[02:34]  * edwardthefma gives <bodhizazen> a cookie
[02:39] <bodhizazen> mmmm
[02:42] <edwardthefma> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-22-generic root=uudi=3094561d-879b-41ed-a
[02:42] <edwardthefma> wahr in the line do i edit
[02:47] <edwardthefma> i dont see a  ned
[02:48] <edwardthefma> or did you mean end
[02:48] <phillw> edwardthefma: I've got to head to bed, approaching 4am here. I'm pretty much out of ideas, the lubuntu 10.04 was and is more tolerant of older kit.
[02:48] <bodhizazen> yep, add it at the end of the line, lol
[02:49] <phillw> he meant end
[02:49] <edwardthefma> thats waht i thought :)
[02:49] <edwardthefma> well if this dosent work puppy is my last option
[02:49] <edwardthefma> after that the scrap heap it gose
[02:49] <phillw> bodhizazen: thanks for your help on this one, but I am in sleep mode now!
[02:53] <edwardthefma> meh to ill tell u later if i works
[02:53] <edwardthefma> :)
[02:55] <phillw> edwardthefma: I'm just installing 10.04 so that I know which version of linux system you have. 2.6.35 seems pretty recent
[12:46] <pasdavoine> hello, Alex from Nantes, France
[12:47] <pasdavoine> I already burn the lubuntu CD to install on an old computer
[12:47] <pasdavoine> but I get random errors in middle of the process
[12:48] <pasdavoine> My questions : is it possible to do a minimal install with the standard CD or do I need to burn anew ?
[12:48] <pasdavoine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[12:49] <pasdavoine> I didn't see any option in the first screen for minimal install
[12:49] <head_victim> pasdavoine: I would suggest getting the specific ISO for the minimal install.
[12:49] <pasdavoine> the PC is an old laptop PC with 256Mo Ram and 10Gb HDD
[12:50] <pasdavoine> ok, a shame that I did not burn on a RW CD :-/
[12:50] <head_victim> pasdavoine: ah then you definitely need an alternate or minimal install, the new ubiquity needs more than 256MB of ram, the devs are working on fixing this in the next release (Ubiquity is Ubuntu-wide but not perfect for Lubuntu)
[12:50] <pasdavoine> ok
[12:50] <head_victim> If you can find another 256MB of ram then that CD would be useful.
[12:51] <pasdavoine> could I use the minimal iso + Unetbootin to boot from USB ?
[12:52] <head_victim> As long as your old computer can boot off a USB that should be quite fine
[12:54] <pasdavoine> it can't :-)
[12:54] <pasdavoine> thanks head_victim, I'll try
[12:55] <head_victim> Maybe look at plop or something
[12:55] <head_victim> !plop
[12:55] <head_victim> http://www.plop.at/ is the link I was after
[12:56] <pasdavoine> thanks but setting up a PXE is unknown to me and I have little time !
[12:57] <head_victim> No worries just making sure you have all the options
[15:55] <edwardthefma> hey
[15:55] <edwardthefma> i need some help
[15:55] <edwardthefma> who knows any thing about old mac computers
[16:23] <edwardthefma> who can help me with this mac
[17:25] <Pichorra> hey, can anyone help me with something?
[18:02] <edwardthefma> hi  bodhi_zaze
[19:18] <bioterror> hoho
[19:18] <bioterror> today on the mailing list I noticed discussion about gnome-power-manager
[19:19] <bioterror> I noticed few months ago those deps and then I tried that xfce4-power-manager, but it wasnt suitable for my use neither, so I decided to configure acpid ;)
[19:26] <edwardthefma> is thare a power pc ver of lubuntu
[19:28] <bioterror> probably
[19:29] <bioterror> you can install PPC Ubuntu and install LXDE stuff yourself
[19:29] <bioterror> but PPC is community driven
[19:29] <bioterror> there could be packages, or not
[19:29] <bioterror> but they are outdated, I think
[19:30] <bioterror> I would probably go with the Gentoo on PPC ;)
[19:30] <edwardthefma> i knoe thare is a wer of  10.04
[19:30] <edwardthefma> or ubuntu
[19:30] <edwardthefma> of
[19:30] <bioterror> something that compiles from sources
[19:31] <Unit193> Bug #718087
[21:55] <dtchen> nice work!
[22:07] <semitones_> hello :)
[22:11] <micahg> is this the lubuntu dev channel as well?
[22:11] <bioterror> that too
[22:11] <Unit193> micahg: #lubuntu-offtopic Mostly ;)
[22:11] <bioterror> anything regarding lubuntu
[22:12] <micahg> heh, well, I wanted to congratulate the devs on getting ISOs finally
[22:13] <Unit193> micahg: I'm not a dev, but gilir is very happy about it! Thanks!
[22:14] <gilir> micahg, yes it's the dev channel  :)
[22:14] <gilir> and thank you micahg :)
[22:15]  * micahg is happy that another derivative exists to help maintain gtk2.0 :)
[22:16] <semitones_> any good way to run a command every startup in lubuntu?
[22:17] <gilir> micahg, we are on the way to switch to gtk3 :)
[22:18] <bioterror> semitones_, what kind of command?
[22:18] <micahg> gilir: orly? oh well :), Xubuntu is stuck with GTK2 until 13.04 most likely
[22:18] <gilir> just need to migrate the panel, the file manager, the image viewer :)
[22:18] <micahg> gilir: will you make it for the LTS?
[22:19] <gilir> micahg, small components have already an option to compile with gtk3, but we have still work to do with core components
[22:20] <gilir> micahg, for most of components, probably
[22:20] <micahg> cool
[22:21] <semitones_> bioterror, redshift
[22:21] <semitones_> turns the monitor nice colors at night
[22:22] <bioterror> there's actually two ways
[22:22] <bioterror> use the lxde .desktop autostart or put it into openbox's autostart
[22:22] <bioterror> .config/openbox/autostart.sh
[22:27] <semitones_> great
[22:28] <semitones_> which way would you say is preferred for novice upkeep? I'll be giving this computer to my aunt
[22:29] <bioterror> if it's just a command, I would probably use autostart.sh
[22:30] <bioterror> try it out ;)
[22:30] <bioterror> as a last line add: redshift &
[22:30] <semitones_> awesome, i'll try
[22:30] <semitones_> also I'm trying to make an error go away
[22:31] <semitones_> when I boot, I get "error: device ###UUID### not found"
[22:31] <semitones_> before the computer then boots
[22:31] <bioterror> hmmm
[22:34] <semitones_> i'm wondering if it needs two jumper cables (the picture shows two)
[22:34] <semitones_> it being the hard drive
[22:34] <semitones_> and jumper cables being jumper pins :P
[22:34] <semitones_> I only have one
[22:34] <bioterror> you have somewhere certain UUID for some purpose
[22:35] <bioterror> I cannot say without seeing anything
[22:35] <bioterror> ;)
[22:39] <semitones_> aha
[22:40] <bioterror> but you have two or more drives?
[22:40] <semitones_> just one
[22:41] <semitones_> I used to have two, but I took out the primary, moved the slave to primary, and reinstalled lubuntu
[22:41] <semitones_> the only problem was I think I didn't put in enough jumpers
[22:41] <semitones_> because bios only recognizes the drive half of the time
[22:43] <bioterror> does it boot?
[22:43] <bioterror> or do you have to reset your computer?
[22:46] <semitones_> it usually boots
[22:46] <semitones_> sometimes i have to reset
[22:48] <semitones_> hold on i can try it right now
[23:08] <semitones__> bioterror, is there anywhere in lubuntu I can look for that UUID
[23:10] <semitones__> I took a picture of the error message. "error: no such device: ###UUID### / error: no such disk. / error: no suitable mode found.
[23:10] <semitones__> maybe I could ask about it in #ubuntu as well
[23:12] <bioterror> sudo blkid
[23:12] <bioterror> cat /etc/fstab    >> should show your partitions with UUID's
[23:19] <semitones_> hmm that's odd
[23:19] <semitones_> the uuid that error complains about isn't in fstab or blkid at all
[23:20] <semitones_> wait a sec
[23:20] <semitones_> Ok
[23:20] <semitones_> the UUID that it complains about is my / partition :/
[23:20] <bioterror> :---)
[23:20] <semitones_> but it boots anyway
[23:26] <semitones_> did I tell you I have a /boot partition
[23:26] <semitones_> because otherwise bios wouldn't detect the hdd
[23:31] <ximodomarco> Sorry, I'm a beginner. And I have a problem with a wifi connection.
[23:32] <semitones_> what's up?
[23:33] <ximodomarco> Where can I find a tutorial on how to m'explique settings?
[23:34] <ximodomarco> or where I can serch the problem?
[23:34] <phillw> gilir: is the french forum a friendly area for ximodomarco?
[23:35] <ximodomarco> I can send my "iwconfig", or another.
[23:36] <ximodomarco> Hi phillw
[23:37] <phillw> hi ximodomarco my french is pretty much zero. I am trying to get a link to the french speaking section for you.
[23:37] <semitones_> i can understand french
[23:37] <semitones_> but is hard for me to speak fast :P
[23:38] <ximodomarco> Thank you, but Ido not write only speak in french.
[23:39] <ximodomarco> No only speak
[23:40] <ximodomarco> My sistem is diferen to france and to cat.. spain
[23:40] <phillw> ximodomarco: which is your language?
[23:41] <ximodomarco> only have a optical fiber
[23:41] <ximodomarco> catalan
[23:41] <gilir> phillw, french forum and wiki are here : http://ubuntu-fr.org/
[23:41] <ximodomarco> I live in Andorra
[23:42] <phillw> we do have a Catalan speaker on the team. i'm sure I know who it is - but I will double check for you :)
[23:43] <ximodomarco> thank's
[23:45] <ximodomarco> I don't Know where is the problem. But in one week I dno't can make nothing
[23:46] <phillw> ximodomarco: rafael ... I live in Valencia and, so, I speak Spanish and Catalan.
[23:47] <ximodomarco> Yes Iknow but my Sylpheed its in off
[23:48] <phillw> ximodomarco: I have sent you a Private Message with the email of a catalan speaker.
[23:48] <ximodomarco> In the last sesion
[23:49] <phillw> ximodomarco: yes, did you not contact him?
[23:49] <ximodomarco> I have the fb ok all the chromium its ok
[23:50] <ximodomarco> I otsend a message with the fb.
[23:52] <ximodomarco> But i don't know its possible he dont connected to fb
[23:52] <phillw> ximodomarco: that is why I sent you his direct email address.
[23:53] <ximodomarco> My email is in off
[23:54] <ximodomarco> But its possible connect with Launchpad ?
[23:55] <ximodomarco> Sorry????
[23:57] <phillw> ximodomarco: you can try the 'contact this person' at https://launchpad.net/~rafaellaguna but if your email is not working I am unsure how he can reply.
[23:58] <ximodomarco> Thank you
[23:59] <phillw> ximodomarco: if your email is broken, I can set you an account up that will work.
[23:59] <ximodomarco> possible, I to test