[02:04] <philipballew> would anyone know anything about a network install of linux?
[02:11] <bodhizazen> philipballew, what are you trying to do exactly, there are several types of "network install"
[02:11] <philipballew> well i have a laptop with no cd drive and wont boot from usb
[02:11] <philipballew> and i dont want microsoft on it
[02:20] <bodhizazen> philipballew, That is easy, ask Microsoft =)
[02:20] <philipballew> funny
[02:20] <philipballew> :)
[02:20] <philipballew> haha
[02:21] <bodhizazen> PXE boot ?
[02:21] <bodhizazen> Netbook ?
[02:22] <philipballew> maybe. its a old laptop
[02:22] <bodhizazen> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478
[03:08] <truepurple> None of my browsers are able to connect to the web, but clearly I have a internet connection, anyone have a idea what is going on?
[03:08] <holstein> clearly?
[03:08] <holstein> open a terminal and ping something
[03:08] <holstein> ping -c 4 google.com
[03:08] <truepurple> Well I am talking to you through IRC which uses the internet
[03:08] <holstein> O I C
[03:09] <holstein> you are on the machine now
[03:09] <truepurple> Yes
[03:09] <holstein> truepurple: what were you doing before this happened?
[03:09] <holstein> some kind of proxy maybe?
[03:10] <truepurple> ping: unknown host google.com
[03:10] <truepurple> No proxy
[03:10] <holstein> you arent getting out
[03:10] <holstein> firewall?
[03:10] <holstein> im not sure whats up
[03:10] <holstein> i would probably just restart, and see whats up
[03:10] <truepurple> Only that which is default in ubuntu 11.04
[03:10] <holstein> next i would make another user and try that user account
[03:10] <truepurple> Even if I restart and it works, that still doesn
[03:11] <truepurple> doesn't tell me what happened
[03:11] <holstein> who knows whats up...
[03:12] <holstein> IRC is on a different port...
[03:12] <holstein> can any machine connect or ping google.com?
[03:12] <truepurple> When I ping something, it uses the same port as any browser does?
[03:12] <truepurple> I only have the one machine
[03:13] <holstein> we cant say for sure its not your ISP then
[03:13] <stlsaint> holstein: yes any machine that can reach the internet can ping
[03:13] <holstein> stlsaint: he's connected to the irc on the machine that wont ping google.com
[03:13] <holstein> the only thing i can come up with is that the IRC is on a different port
[03:13] <bodhizazen> I do not think ping uses ports =)
[03:13] <holstein> im not sure...
[03:14] <holstein> bodhizazen: i didnt think so either
[03:14] <holstein> still, postulate something plausible, and i'll get behind it
[03:14] <truepurple> hehe
[03:15] <truepurple> On advice from someone, I used "ping -c 4 8.8.8.8" and it got back results, 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3001ms
[03:15] <holstein> hmmmm
[03:15] <stlsaint> truepurple: what is the overall issue here?
[03:15] <truepurple> Any and all url links result in dead pages
[03:16] <truepurple> But I am connected to the internet on the same machine via IRC as of this moment
[03:16] <truepurple> So I have internet
[03:16] <holstein> well, you have a connection to freenode
[03:16] <truepurple> which is internet
[03:16] <stlsaint> truepurple: i assume you have tried multiple browsers
[03:16] <truepurple> yes
[03:16] <truepurple> Midori too
[03:16] <truepurple> and I got no pings on google.com, but I did get them on 8.8.8.8
[03:18] <truepurple> stlsaint: Got any ideas what is the matter?
[03:18] <holstein> truepurple: i would reboot and see if the problem is still there
[03:19] <stlsaint> truepurple: can be various issues, if i was you i would start with ISP then router then local network settings
[03:19] <truepurple> It might not be after a reboot, but I wouldn't think linux would require the occassional rebooting to fix internet
[03:19] <stlsaint> truepurple: i have had to before in situations where i was messing with router
[03:19] <stlsaint> truepurple: OORRRRR
[03:19] <holstein> it doesnt require it typically, i just cant thing of anything to suggest to try
[03:20] <stlsaint> truepurple: run /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:20] <stlsaint> ^^ im old fashioned :D
[03:20] <truepurple> stlsaint: I wasnt messing with anything, I was looking over information in a document file
[03:20] <stlsaint> new command is: service network stop|start
[03:20] <truepurple> And chatting in IRC
[03:20] <truepurple> and then tried to call up a webpage via something said in IRC and ran up against this
[03:20] <stlsaint> truepurple: but if you run those your connection will drop for now
[03:21] <holstein> run /etc/init.d/networking restart now
[03:21] <stlsaint> without the now part
[03:21] <holstein> yeah, now run: run /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:22] <holstein> now run: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:22] <holstein> ^^
[03:22] <truepurple> "run /etc/init.d/networking restart"? It says no command found
[03:22] <holstein> in the terminal
[03:23] <holstein> /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:23] <truepurple> It says permission denied, so sudo it?
[03:23] <holstein> yup
[03:24] <truepurple> that worked
[03:24] <truepurple> Its back
[03:24] <holstein> you can ping google.com?
[03:24] <truepurple> So what could have causes this?
[03:24] <truepurple> Better yet, I can call up google directly
[03:24] <holstein> good
[03:25] <holstein> who knows... i wouldnt lose sleep over it unless it happens again
[03:25] <truepurple> Also while I have your attention, initially with firefox I couldn't use the internet
[03:25] <holstein> initially?
[03:26] <truepurple> I had to disable some more advanced part of the internet protocal to get it to work
[03:26] <holstein> what more advanced part of what?
[03:26] <truepurple> but I forgot the details, and I dont want to lose my internet again when I reinstall ubuntu
[03:26] <holstein> i would venture a guess that whatever you are talking about there could be related
[03:27] <truepurple> Something about the URL length, that it was protocal for when they ran out of space, but it wasnt used yet, or something like that
[03:28] <holstein> truepurple: maybe you can find the link you used
[03:28] <truepurple> I was given instructions from someone in IRC
[03:29] <truepurple> So noone of this rings a bell with you?
[03:29] <holstein> as in, did i need to do that?
[03:29] <holstein> no
[03:29] <truepurple> No, do you have a idea what i might be talking about
[03:29] <truepurple> That is what i mean
[03:29] <holstein> maybe ipv6
[03:29] <holstein> but that doesnt make any sense to me
[03:29] <truepurple> yeah that seems like it is likely it
[03:30] <truepurple> How do I disable that or whatever?
[03:30] <truepurple> So that if I reinstall linux, I can be prepared
[03:31] <holstein> you shouldnt need to do anything with that
[03:31] <truepurple> Well I did
[03:31] <holstein> im not convinced you needed to though
[03:31] <truepurple> I had to disable it or something to get my browser to work
[03:31] <Sal_IT> I have a question about installing Asus USB wireless on my Natty machine.  I guess I don't know how to install the drivers
[03:31] <truepurple> It didnt work before out of the box, and then after I disabled this thing, it did work, so yeah, I need to
[03:32] <holstein> truepurple: are you plugged right into your modem?
[03:32] <truepurple> yes, into my ethernet port
[03:32] <holstein> i have heard about interesting issues hooked up that way
[03:32] <holstein> ive never done that, so im not sure
[03:32] <holstein> i cant imagine having only one machine online
[03:33] <truepurple> Why would you want multiple machines online for one user?
[03:33] <holstein> Sal_IT: what is it? broadcom? can you hook the machine up to wired internet?
[03:33] <holstein> truepurple: i just have a lot of hardware... server machine, my girlfriend's, media center
[03:34] <Sal_IT> I can, it just upstairs and it my old Dell XPS system which is really heavy. I was hoping not to havet o move it
[03:34] <truepurple> So you don't know how to disable ipv6?
[03:34] <holstein> truepurple: ive never needed to, but if i did, i could sort it out
[03:34] <Sal_IT> ASUS wireless usb to a Motorola Surfboard Cable modem
[03:35] <stlsaint> truepurple: testing and developing multiple instances can be useful to have more than one machine
[03:35] <holstein> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/how-to-disable-ipv6-in-ubuntu-1004.html
[03:35] <holstein> probably looks something like that ^^
[03:35] <holstein> having a router inline is nice too... gives you another firewall, and wifi if you want it
[03:36] <holstein> Sal_IT: the surfboard doesnt supply wifi
[03:36] <holstein> i should say, mine doesnt...
[03:36] <Sal_IT> yup, it is also a wireless N router
[03:36] <holstein> COOL
[03:36] <philipballew> any wanna recomend a linux distro or version of ubuntu for 256 ram
[03:36] <holstein> philipballew: lubuntu
[03:37] <philipballew> will it run reasonably?
[03:37] <holstein> or a command line box
[03:37] <philipballew> or be slow?
[03:37] <holstein> philipballew: what are your options ;)
[03:37] <stlsaint> philipballew: if your not wanting to use lubuntu i would say crunchbang
[03:37] <holstein> it'll run like 256 of ram
[03:37] <holstein> check out zenix too
[03:37] <philipballew> welli i was think lubuntu, debian or arch, or puppy
[03:37] <holstein> http://zenix-os.net/
[03:37] <truepurple> holstein: Will that work in 11.04 too?
[03:38] <holstein> truepurple: only one way to find out :)
[03:38] <holstein> it should
[03:38] <philipballew> haha, i might try flux box
[03:38] <stlsaint> philipballew: nope, you will want smaller than debian or arch defaults
[03:38] <holstein> truepurple: i would get a router though
[03:38] <stlsaint> philipballew: fluxbox rules though
[03:39] <truepurple> holstein: For what?
[03:39] <stlsaint> philipballew: my top three light distros: lubuntu, crunchbang, zenix
[03:39] <holstein> Sal_IT: typically, if you get the machine wired up to internet, and there is a driver available, you will be promted to download it... then you can be wireless
[03:40] <holstein> truepurple: i dont need to disable ipv6 on my machines, i think thats because you are connecting straight through your modem
[03:40] <Sal_IT> ok, thanks.
[03:40] <holstein> i mean, at some point, you'll want IPv6
[03:40] <stlsaint> holstein: why?
[03:40] <holstein> why ipv6 stlsaint ?
[03:40]  * stlsaint is just being stubborn
[03:40] <truepurple> holstein: Wouldn't the lack of a router mean its easier to connect to a internet, not harder?
[03:40] <holstein> lol
[03:41] <stlsaint> truepurple: internet connection with no router....your a brave soul!!
[03:41] <holstein> truepurple: i can only share with you my experience where when i have hooked straight into a few modems and had issues
[03:41] <holstein> its obviously working for you
[03:42] <truepurple> stlsaint: How do you figure that?
[03:42] <holstein> having a router in the mix could only add some potentially needed technologies, such as routing, wifi and an extra firewall, as well as hopefully IPv6 support
[03:43] <truepurple> holstein: I am told the difference between software and hardware firewall is pretty miniscule. And hell no to wifi, no reason to have that shit
[03:43] <holstein> im not a router salesmen ;)
[03:43] <holstein> do what you want
[03:43] <truepurple> I mean, if your not using a laptop
[03:43] <holstein> but, you'll want ipv6 at some point
[03:44] <holstein> you can have it out on the phone with your ISP that day ;)
[03:44] <holstein> when you say, 'how do i disable ipv6' i say, how do you get hardware that supports ipv6
[03:45] <stlsaint> truepurple: truly depends on what you do. If all you do is sit to your computer and check your email then i guess a router is not a definate need. But for anything as web server, ssh, etc....router is vital
[03:46] <stlsaint> Plus wifi is awesome!!
[03:46] <stlsaint> DD-WRT + router == Network admin heaven!!
[03:47] <truepurple> stlsaint: Websever? What do you mean by that?
[03:47] <philipballew> ddwrt is the shiz-niz!
[03:47]  * holstein fistbumps philipballew 
[03:47] <stlsaint> truepurple: hosting a website or hosting anything (file server for instance)
[03:47] <truepurple> Or a game for example?
[03:47] <stlsaint> philipballew: same as no computer i own runs windows....no router i own runs default firmware
[03:48] <philipballew> i view my default operating system like most people view their default wall paper
[03:49] <philipballew> i have one router i cant seem to find any 3party firmware for
[03:49] <truepurple> philipballew: No idea what you mean by that, and I can't recall the last place I have been in that uses wallpaper
[03:50] <philipballew> wallpaper as in desktop wallpaper
[03:50] <stlsaint> truepurple: yes
[03:50] <truepurple> Never ever heard anyone refer to it as "wallpaper"
[03:50] <philipballew> i have, all the time
[03:50] <stlsaint> truepurple: that is the term is....wallpaper...background same thing
[03:51] <holstein> what do you call it truepurple ?
[03:51] <holstein> background?
[03:51] <truepurple> background
[03:51] <philipballew> californians say it differently
[03:51] <philipballew> maybe?
[03:51] <holstein> nah, im on the other coast, and ive heard both
[03:52] <philipballew> huh, maybe its a windows term im just used to
[03:52] <stlsaint> truepurple: basically whenever you open up your network to the web you need a router
[03:52] <truepurple> wallpaper sounds like a very silly name though
[03:53] <truepurple> Since its neither a wall nor paper
[03:53] <stlsaint> there are many titles as such in the english language, you will drive yourself insane trying to deal with them all
[03:53] <philipballew> my desktop is a wall
[03:54] <philipballew> i put things on it and its flat
[03:54] <truepurple> philipballew: Like postit notes?
[03:54] <stlsaint> yep
[03:54] <stlsaint> tomboy :D
[03:55] <truepurple> Just don't try to hang pictures off the monitor...
[03:55] <truepurple> or on the monitor I should say
[03:56] <stlsaint> truepurple: i hang pictures on my wall....part of my widgets :D
[03:57] <truepurple> that isnt hanging a picture on your wall, that is putting a picture on your windows desktop
[03:57] <stlsaint> WHOA
[03:57] <stlsaint> no windows here bubba ;)
[03:57] <truepurple>  stlsaint: "DD-WRT + router == Network admin heaven!!" heaven to do what?
[03:58] <stlsaint> truepurple: psshh....endless activites
[03:58] <holstein> check out http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/index
[03:58] <truepurple> stlsaint: Like?
[03:58] <truepurple> I went there first holstein
[03:58] <holstein> ddwrt is really full featured
[03:58] <stlsaint> port forwarding, firewall, adhoc, split nets for "guest" network on wifi....
[03:59] <truepurple> So what are those, in common terms please.
[03:59] <stlsaint> one of my favs is making a "Free" wifi connection so those wanna be hackers can "attack" it and end up trapped :D
[03:59] <truepurple> stlsaint: I can tell you one thing though, wifi is alot less stable then hardline
[03:59] <holstein> yeah?
[03:59] <stlsaint> truepurple: depends on your connection
[04:00] <stlsaint> when i have network problems it affects all interfaces, wifi and ethernet
[04:00] <holstein> stable for me
[04:00] <stlsaint> truepurple: when the time comes to know those terms i will be here for ya buddy :D
[04:01] <truepurple> stlsaint: There was this game I played with friends alot, AoW: SM. Someone hosted the game and others tried to join said person. Hosting was the hardest to do, when ever anyone had trouble doing either, if the game ports were open, they almost always had wifi
[04:01] <truepurple> stlsaint: Apparently something about wifi hates IP handshaking like that
[04:02] <holstein> nah
[04:02] <stlsaint> truepurple: um i think you have your terms confused but yes whenever you host something you will want that on a ethernet line
[04:02] <truepurple> Hey, the evidence was there that this is the case
[04:02] <holstein> i wouldnt host a game server on wifi though, just for the extra speed, but i have
[04:03] <truepurple> extra speed?
[04:03] <stlsaint> truepurple: i will not say that ethernet is TEN times better than wifi but in a sense your right it is more stable as in it doesnt need to authenticate anything thus less work thus less chance of something going wrong
[04:03] <philipballew> maybe he has no cat5 ports where the server is
[04:03] <holstein> yeah, if i have the option, i hardwire
[04:03] <stlsaint> philipballew: a server with no NIC!!?!?!?!?!? I highly doubt it
[04:03] <holstein> i have served up wolfenstien on wifi though
[04:03] <philipballew> i doubt it to
[04:03] <philipballew> just sayin
[04:04] <stlsaint> the reason folks have issues with wifi is just due to authentication and maybe signal strength if you are moving farther and farther away from router
[04:04] <philipballew> get a better antenna
[04:05] <truepurple> stlsaint: Well it was virtually impossible for anyone to host any of our games using wifi, even with everyone using a tunneling software, it was just too unstable.
[04:05] <philipballew> i bought a 6 foot long one and pick up everything
[04:05] <holstein> that could be the ISP though
[04:05] <holstein> i mean, did you wire it up, and everything was fine and dandy?
[04:06] <stlsaint> truepurple: that is one of those cases where a router being hardwired would be needed
[04:06] <truepurple> holstein: You say that as though we are talking about a single ISP, these are people from many parts of the world, alot of whom didn't know each other in real life and most likely did not share ISPs
[04:06] <holstein> actually, it doesnt matter... wire up your server if at all possible... if you have the bandwidth, WIFI will be fine
[04:06] <stlsaint> truepurple: you start forcing a wifi connection to authentication AND many users coming onto the network you are asking for trouble
[04:07] <stlsaint> let the router handle connections and bandwidth and hardwire the server! Problem solved
[04:07] <truepurple> stlsaint: Well not sure what that even means though
[04:08] <truepurple> stlsaint: Are you talking about more then one PC?
[04:09] <holstein> the term router to me implies more that one box, since that pretty much what its for
[04:09] <stlsaint> truepurple: yes, with the game situation
[04:09] <stlsaint> holstein: nope
[04:10] <stlsaint> holstein: as i said before you can have on system but if on that system you want open ports you need to get a router
[04:10] <stlsaint> one system
[04:10] <truepurple> stlsaint: Not a chance, I believe in virtualization, not physicalization. I would rather have one PC do the work of several, then visa versa.
[04:10] <truepurple> stlsaint: Anyway I only have one PC
[04:11] <truepurple> I mean one thats anywhere close to modern
[04:11] <stlsaint> is physicalization a word?? lol
[04:12] <stlsaint> truepurple: if you want virtualization than that is a different situation
[04:12] <truepurple> stlsaint: So how would I get more speed from making a hardline modem do wifi to my PC?
[04:12] <stlsaint> truepurple: a router
[04:13] <truepurple> stlsaint: Yes it is actually, maybe I didn't type it exactly right, but I did research a bit on the topic of virtualization verses physicalization
[04:13] <holstein> well, its getting late, i gotta get to troll
[04:13] <holstein> i mean, bed
[04:13] <truepurple> stlsaint: How does that mean more speed?
[04:13] <holstein> GN all
[04:13] <stlsaint> routers have the ability to allocate who gets the say so on the network
[04:13] <truepurple> holstein: What was it that I was going to do again? Oh yeah, I was suppose to laugh.
[04:13] <truepurple> holstein: Almost forgot ;)
[04:14] <stlsaint> i too must be hitting the sack
[04:14] <holstein> truepurple: you can stop anytime... you dont have to get a router
[04:14] <holstein> no one will make you :)
[04:14] <stlsaint> truepurple: if there is more you want to know im sure others here will gladly help
[04:15] <stlsaint> later folks !! W00t!
[04:15] <truepurple> stlsaint: As far as hosting, can't a software firewall do just as good, security wise?
[04:19] <truepurple> stlsaint: You still there?
[04:21] <stlsaint> truepurple: sup
[04:21] <stlsaint> truepurple: oh, yes, there are some good ones out there
[04:22] <stlsaint> truepurple: iptables work perfect for all firewall needs (IMO)
[04:22] <stlsaint> truepurple: but on my home network i have many systems, laptops, desktops and multiple servers so a router allows ALOT more control over my network
[04:23] <stlsaint> truepurple: so i run a firewall on the router AND i run iptables on all my servers
[04:24]  * stlsaint is AFK
[04:26] <truepurple> iptables, that also windows?
[04:28] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[04:28] <holstein> iptables is pretty much software firewall... what you use
[04:34] <truepurple> So is iptables already setup for to prevent any remote hacking/unused port hiding?
[04:34] <truepurple> holstein:
[04:39] <holstein> i know iptables is in the kernel somehow truepurple
[04:40] <holstein> if i were you, not running a hardware firewall, i would want to know for sure
[04:40] <holstein> i have only used shorewall myself when i put a box outside my firewall in the DMZ
[04:40] <truepurple> holstein: I thought you JUST said you were for sure
[04:40] <holstein> truepurple: about?
[04:40] <truepurple> holstein: about it being there
[04:40] <holstein> sure, its there
[04:41] <holstein> in what state though?
[04:41] <truepurple> holstein: Your suggesting I should make sure its active?
[04:41] <holstein> ive never needed to check...
[04:41] <holstein> truepurple: im suggesting that if i were you, i would want to know for sure
[04:44] <truepurple> holstein: Ok. I inputed iptables -L like it said, and it gave me the screen like the website said for no rules, does this mean it is essentially off? Or is it still providing me with some protection?
[04:44] <holstein> iptables is over my head
[04:45] <holstein> i have always just used shorewall when i needed a software firewall
[04:45] <truepurple> For linux?
[04:45] <truepurple> I mean, ubuntu
[04:46] <holstein> for my ubuntu boxes where i have wanted a firewall
[04:46] <holstein> in the past
[04:47] <truepurple> holstein: Have you tried others? Any reason for you to think this one is better then other options?
[04:48] <holstein> i have used UFW a bit
[04:48] <holstein> im always behind my router, so its not something i mess with a lot
[04:49] <truepurple> You found UFW to be better or worse then shorewall? Or you don't know?
[04:49] <holstein> eh, its a firewall
[04:49] <holstein> they all just do what they do
[04:49] <holstein> its just whatever one you want to learn how to use
[04:51] <holstein> for my setup, i just need to get my router the rules so it will allow certain ports in to certain machines
[04:51] <holstein> if you were to pick at my IP right now, you get my router
[04:51] <truepurple> holstein: You think shorewall will protect me from remote hacking out of box?
[04:51] <holstein> if i pick at yours, i get your machine
[04:52] <truepurple> Your internal IP yeah, unless a firewall is hiding it alogether
[04:52] <holstein> truepurple: if i were running a setup like you have, i would want to be sure
[04:52] <holstein> truepurple: no, my ISP ip
[04:52] <holstein> that gets you to my access point
[04:52] <holstein> not any machine in particualar
[04:53] <holstein> IF you get in on one of the ports to my webserver or whatever
[04:53] <holstein> its just that one machine
[04:53] <truepurple> holstein: How do I make sure shorewall is actually protecting me then?
[04:53] <holstein> truepurple: you need to do whatever makes you feel comfortable
[04:53] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[04:54] <holstein> maybe http://blog.jeff-owens.com/linux/shorewall-firewall-on-ubuntu-feisty-vps-part-3/ ??
[04:55] <holstein> i just dont do it that way... i have to ask the router to expose me the way you are exposed
[04:55] <holstein> i like that layer
[04:55] <truepurple> holstein: "you need to do whatever makes you feel comfortable" That is saying alot of nothing
[04:55] <holstein> truepurple: yeah?
[04:55] <holstein> you'll need to figure out how to use it, and make it do what you want it to do
[04:56] <truepurple> holstein: You said you would want to make sure the PC is protected properly by the firewall, how do I do that?
[04:56] <truepurple> What I want it to do is protect my PC
[04:57] <holstein> you'll need to read about how to use whatever firewall you choose to use
[04:57] <holstein> and implement some protection with it
[04:57] <truepurple> That won't let me know if I am protected or not though
[04:57] <holstein> i would probably leave the machine on, and try and hit it with another machine
[04:58] <holstein> i remember doing that with dial up at some point
[04:58] <holstein> trying to hack myself
[04:58] <holstein> truepurple: i was quite serious when i suggested a router... this is one of the things a router would take care of
[04:58] <truepurple> I don't know how to hack...
[04:59] <truepurple> holstein: I know you were, and I was quit serious about not wanting another piece of hardware and rather doing it through software which I am told is nearly as secure
[04:59] <holstein> how about http://gufw.tuxfamily.org/ ??
[05:00] <holstein> truepurple: you dont have to get a router
[05:00] <holstein> or a firewall
[05:00] <holstein> you have a good password right?
[05:00] <holstein> thats a good defense
[05:00] <holstein> do what makes you feel comfortable
[05:02] <truepurple> holstein: My comfort won't mean a hill of beans for my system security, please stop repeating that
[05:03] <holstein> i mean, comfortable as far as security truepurple
[05:05] <truepurple> holstein: Your still not telling me how I can easily set up sufficient firewall security and be sure of said securityt
[05:05] <holstein> truepurple: you'll need to read about one of the firewalls, and use it
[05:06] <holstein> truepurple: im not sure what you are looking for
[05:06] <holstein> im not going to be able to drop commands here for you
[05:06] <holstein> i remember shorewall and UFW both being pretty straight forward though
[05:37] <m4er> How can I mount my dvd/cdrom drive onto my 11.04 filesystem?
[05:39] <m4er> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/156752 -- this can be used as a reference point
[05:45] <m4er> It was suggested I try putting in a cd/dvd and running dmesg | tail -n 10. That didn't seem to render any relevan data
[05:47] <eifersucht> can anyone help me with a wireless problem ?
[05:47] <m4er> what's up?
[05:47] <eifersucht> I can connect but seems to only connect for a limited time anywhere i connect
[05:48] <eifersucht> like maybe when ermmm....the ip's are renewed...?
[05:48] <eifersucht> i keep trying and eventually it seems like my wireless care is not even there as if it becomes unmounted or something
[05:48] <eifersucht> card*
[05:49] <m4er> shouldn't be IP address renewal issue. If you're computer acquires an IP address from a wi-fi hotspot- it'll keep the ip address at least for the duration of the session it's connected.
[05:49] <eifersucht> and i have to reboot, sometimes rebooting seems to fix the problem but a hassle of course
[05:49] <eifersucht> is there anything else that gets renewed ?
[05:50] <eifersucht> i had a friend look at it and he said something to that affect
[05:50] <eifersucht> about renewing something... i dunno
[05:50] <eifersucht> lol
[05:50] <m4er> not that I know of. but maybe there are ppl in here who know more than I do?
[05:51] <eifersucht> any ideas what "could" cause the issue?
[05:53] <bioterror> next time, check dmesg
[05:53] <eifersucht> how do i do that ?
[05:54] <eifersucht> sorry
[05:54] <m4er> @eifersucht: to be honest I'm probably in the same boat that you're in.... I like messing with my computer but I don't know very much about fixing it. My best guess? the driver for your wireless card may need reloaded
[05:54] <bioterror> I dont think that your network card disappears
[05:54] <truepurple> Will I get better performance from linux if it is closer to the center of the HDD disk?
[05:54] <truepurple> bioterror:
[05:54] <eifersucht> well sometimes it will still connect but, i cant get to the web
[05:54] <eifersucht> or ping anything
[05:55] <bioterror> I had problems at my parents. they have buffalo's adsl router with wi-fi and if I used wpa2 as encryption it cut the connection all the time
[05:55] <bioterror> I changed it to wep and problem disappeared
[05:55] <eifersucht> then in the panel dongle i dont have an option for the wireless card anymore
[05:55] <bioterror> hmmm
[05:56] <m4er> @eifersucht: even on open wifi connections you're having trouble?
[05:56] <bioterror> eifersucht, what's your wlan?
[05:56] <eifersucht> sounds kind of like the problem im having bioterror
[05:56] <eifersucht> wpa2 everything i am trying to connect to
[05:56] <bioterror> % lspci |grep Wireless
[05:56] <bioterror> 0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
[05:56] <bioterror> gimme that kind of line
[05:57] <eifersucht> i havent tried to connect or havent connected to one that is wid opn in a while
[05:58] <bioterror> truepurple, you wont notice the difference
[05:58] <eifersucht> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[05:58] <m4er> sounds like something amiss with the wireless driver/device. I don't know the 1st thing about troubleshooting that kinda thing tho.....
[05:59] <bioterror> there we go ;)
[05:59] <bioterror> broadcom is the problem
[05:59] <truepurple> bioterror: So besides windows needing to be on a primary, whether linux and other data is near the center of the disk, or outside, whether primary or extended, whether most of the space is in primary or extended, none of these really matter?
[06:00] <eifersucht> please dont let me see the word ndiswrapper come up
[06:01]  * eifersucht beats head on desk
[06:02] <m4er> @truepurple: as long as the OSs are installed correctly and the computer has the required specs for both to run, hdd partition space isn't a problem as far as I know.....
[06:02] <eifersucht> so bioterror.... new card? lol
[06:03] <eifersucht> or do you have any reomendations for one that will play nice
[06:04] <eifersucht> there always seems to be some little hiccup no matter the distro i use lol
[06:04] <truepurple> m4er: So your saying none of those things I mentioned matter?
[06:04] <bioterror> launchpad is full of bug raports :P
[06:04] <bioterror> hard to find a proper one
[06:05] <m4er> In my opinion no, but my opinion on that is worth little......
[06:06] <philipballew> i was unable to configure my dchp during the install as i was offline. how can i do that now that i am connected?
[06:07] <bioterror> sudo dhclient eth0
[06:07] <truepurple> bioterror: What do you say?
[06:18] <eifersucht> alright...thanks fellas
[07:04] <philipballew> hey, so i accedently while installing ubuntu to an external drive messed up my boot loader and now unless the external hd is plugged in. my main system wont boot
[07:05] <nit-wit> philipballew, have you ever loaded the mbr before
[07:05] <philipballew> not sure what that is. so no
[07:06] <nit-wit> philipballew, which ubuntu did you install, and you still have the cd or thumb you used to load the distro
[07:06] <philipballew> i was thinking if i run update grub with the external unplugged, it would fix the problem. good or bad idea?
[07:06] <nit-wit> no that wont work but we can get you going no problem
[07:06] <philipballew> well i installed debian squeeze actually. but my main os on my laptop is ubuntu 11.04
[07:06] <philipballew> and also i have backtrack here im duel booting
[07:06] <nit-wit> philipballew, do you have a natty cd
[07:07] <nit-wit> philipballew, s it backtrack 5
[07:07] <nit-wit> *is
[07:08] <philipballew> yeah. im running 64 bit, i have a bunch of 32 off hand or i can quickly download and burn a 64
[07:09] <nit-wit> philipballew, not sure whether the bit amount matters here as far as reloading grub2
[07:09] <philipballew> ill download and burn 64. shouldnt take long
[07:10] <nit-wit> philipballew, here is the link defaults to using the live cd I would use natty it will find the other OS's  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Copy%20LiveCD%20Files
[07:10] <philipballew> so what do i need a live cd for?
[07:12] <nit-wit> philipballew, if you want grub2 to be the bootloader, debian is grub-legacy. Grub-legacy does not auto-find the pther OS's, so it is a matter of choice.
[07:12] <nit-wit> *other
[07:12] <philipballew> i want grub2
[07:12] <philipballew> much better
[07:12] <philipballew> can i just install grub 2 now?
[07:12] <philipballew> or did i eff up my mbr to much?
[07:13] <nit-wit> philipballew, only with a natty cd, not sure about the bit difference though.
[07:13] <nit-wit> no your cool
[07:13] <nit-wit> easy fix. ;)
[07:13] <philipballew> its probably better to wait i guess and install just to be safe
[07:14] <philipballew> 17 minutes left on download
[07:14] <nit-wit> not sure exactly what you mean.
[07:14] <nit-wit> I see
[07:14] <philipballew> i mean its better to download and burn 64 vs try with 32
[07:15] <philipballew> i have a box of 32 officials. thats all
[07:15] <philipballew> no 64 iso'd or anything
[07:15] <nit-wit> if you look at the link you will run sudo fdisk -l to confirm the Natty partition then 2 more commands to reload grub and reboot to natty and run a upodate grub there to make sure all the OS's are showing.
[07:15] <philipballew> do i really need to burn it or can i just mount the iso?
[07:15] <nit-wit> philipballew, it has to be run live
[07:16] <nit-wit> can you get into backtrack or natty now?
[07:16] <philipballew> alright, ill want to get on my desktop and stay on here when i perform this operation
[07:16] <philipballew> im in natty now
[07:17] <nit-wit> philipballew, cool so natty is on the sda drive
[07:17] <philipballew> i interted the external it loaded the debian boot loader, i scrolled down and chose natty. then i booted into natty and unpluged the external
[07:17] <nit-wit> your home free we can do it from there
[07:18] <nit-wit> we just need to confirm the HD is it sda, sdb,sdc
[07:18]  * philipballew should have unplugged his main hd during the install
[07:18] <philipballew> and we do this from a live?
[07:18] <nit-wit> we can do it from natty can you confirm the HD
[07:19] <nit-wit> do you know what I mean by the hd=sda,or sdb....etc
[07:20] <philipballew> no, i do not
[07:20] <philipballew> i have seen those akromims before though
[07:20] <nit-wit> open gparted and tell me the HD letter and partition number for natty, for examplw sda5
[07:20] <philipballew> got it boss
[07:21] <nit-wit> your two commands from being fixed
[07:21] <nit-wit> you're
[07:23] <nit-wit> if you don't have gparted installed you can run in the terminal sudo fdisk -l  and ethier pastebin the whole thing or identify natty
[07:23] <philipballew> i have gparted. but patebin is probably easier
[07:23] <nit-wit> do you have just one HD
[07:24] <philipballew> yes i do
[07:24] <philipballew> unless you count the external that caused this
[07:24]  * philipballew knows it was really him that caused it
[07:24] <nit-wit> cool then run in the terminal sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[07:25] <philipballew> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/652248/
[07:25] <nit-wit> the sudo update-grub   you should see all the OS's then.
[07:25] <philipballew> see this before i do that
[07:25] <nit-wit>  run in the terminal sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[07:26] <nit-wit> your on your way.;)
[07:26] <philipballew> so do what you said?
[07:26] <nit-wit> tyeah the last command
[07:26] <nit-wit> *yeah
[07:26] <philipballew> sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[07:26] <philipballew> ?
[07:26] <nit-wit> yes
[07:26] <nit-wit> ;)
[07:27] <nit-wit> then sudo update-grub
[07:27] <philipballew> done, im gonna sudo reboot and see what i get on the other side of my boot
[07:27] <nit-wit> cool now you know the secret
[07:28] <nit-wit> run the update-grub first
[07:28] <philipballew> dont worry, I wont tell anyone.
[07:28] <nit-wit> lol
[07:28]  * philipballew crosses fingers
[07:28] <nit-wit> run the update-grub before rebooting
[07:29] <nit-wit> that you on that computer
[07:30] <philipballew_> nit-wit, well the fact i am here again shows it worked
[07:30] <philipballew_> :)
[07:30] <nit-wit> cool. ;)
[07:31] <philipballew_> thanks a lot! now i will probably unplug my laptop hd when installing to the external. haha
[07:31] <nit-wit> I use a app called suoergrub to just get into the OS's to run those commands rather then the live cd most of the time it is easier.
[07:31] <nit-wit> no problem
[07:32] <nit-wit> if you choose the custom install in ubutnu or most any linux it will have an area the allows you to point grub at the correct mbr
[07:33] <nit-wit> the second HD would be sdb the first sda a third would be sdc
[07:34] <philipballew_> and the 4th is d?
[07:34] <nit-wit> yep, you just want to confirm it always
[07:34] <philipballew_> sometimes the system can be funny
[07:35] <nit-wit> If you had used a thumb it might switch the thumb to sda and the first hd to sdb, so always confirm
[07:35] <nit-wit> yeah
[07:36] <nit-wit> Debian and backtrack 5 are pretty good distros, I had those and centos and fedora15 on my computer last week
[07:37] <nit-wit> and XP.Wy,natty and oneiric
[07:37] <nit-wit> *W7
[07:38] <philipballew_> i like backtrack because i can keep all my network tools in one
[07:38] <nit-wit> it has a lot of stuff, hardly any of which I understand, lol
[07:39] <philipballew_> you need to be a network guru for some of that stuff i think
[07:39] <philipballew_> haha
[07:39] <nit-wit> it looked like it, I just install and clone, for future use.
[07:39] <nit-wit> clonezilla is a great app
[07:40] <philipballew_> whats it do?
[07:41] <nit-wit> it is a clone app also has multicasting, here's a link http://clonezilla.org/
[07:41] <nit-wit> Full images with the mbr saved
[07:42] <philipballew_> i always rsync things
[07:42] <nit-wit> that works grgreat as well I use grsync to save home.
[07:43] <nit-wit> I don't trust myself on that sort of cli
[07:43] <philipballew_> i wrote a script ans put in in a cron folder, it runs from there and saves my desktop to a external drive connected to it
[07:43] <philipballew_> cli is easier in some regard
[07:44] <nit-wit> that is the way to do it, I change distros so often that I just do it this way, but I'm quite familiar with the cli but if the is a shiny gui I will use it
[07:44] <nit-wit> *there
[07:45] <nit-wit> I cheat, for a long term linux user. ;)
[07:45] <philipballew_> do shiny things attract you?
[07:45] <nit-wit> ease of use, lol
[07:46] <philipballew_> never hurts. its all what your used to
[07:46] <philipballew_> some say cli is easier
[07:46] <nit-wit> I learned all my open source while pursuing two degree a minor and major in college.
[07:47] <nit-wit> my brain can only remember so much
[07:47] <philipballew_> what major?
[07:47] <nit-wit> minor in music and psych and major is black studies
[07:48] <philipballew_> you dont mean you majored in jive?
[07:49] <nit-wit> I saw the representations of it in studying films and stereotyping
[07:49] <philipballew_> whered you school at? i see.
[07:49] <nit-wit> PSU portland ore
[07:50] <philipballew_> nice, you live in orgon?
[07:50] <nit-wit> used to play Jazz professionally I'm a middle aged student, yeah lived here all my life.
[07:51] <philipballew_> oh nice, and you didnt go to oscon?
[07:51] <philipballew_> i live in nor cak
[07:51] <philipballew_> *cal
[07:51] <nit-wit> I saw it to late I didn't even know.
[07:51] <philipballew_> its all good. haha
[07:52] <nit-wit> Ore, has a peculiar history for the Black population, there were Black Exclusion laws and many other problems which leave the population at 1/2 the nation wide average
[07:53] <nit-wit> seems all liberal, but not from the colored communities point of view
[07:54] <philipballew_> how so not from their point?
[07:55] <nit-wit> I can't speak for all of them of course I'm white, but the instutionalized racism we are all used to without realizing it is pointed at them and other marginalized groups, it may be as simple as being watched while shoping always
[07:56] <nit-wit> *shopping
[07:57] <nit-wit> uniformly all my contacts with the community say that this is the racist place they have been worse then the south
[07:57] <nit-wit> *than
[07:57] <philipballew_> do people do that because they see more crimes commited by black people on the news or just told to i wonder
[07:59] <philipballew_> you know what i mean?
[07:59] <nit-wit> it is a social norm fed by that yes stereotyped representations, very little positive rep's if any, and the history of slavery, which continued long after 1865, some say still practiced, more so on the Hispanic groups now, and others
[08:00] <nit-wit> It is a drag when you get the missing history of America, tha is and has been left out.
[08:00] <nit-wit> a drag on your concious anyway
[08:01] <nit-wit> as far as crimes drug use all other areas it is eaually practiced among all groups
[08:01] <nit-wit> *equally
[08:02] <nit-wit> anyway I'm not supposed to talk about this here, but I care a graet deal for the information
[08:02] <philipballew_> for sure. it seemes really intresting
[08:03] <nit-wit> awesome professors in that department
[08:04] <philipballew_> sounds like it. when did you graduate?
[08:04] <nit-wit> there is another helper on here who is a pro Jazz player quite talented
[08:04] <nit-wit> *quite
[08:06] <nit-wit> I graduate next January,  think I'm going to try a masters in conflict resolution.
[08:12] <philipballew_> nit-wit, you mean holsten? sounds really peaceful?
[08:13] <nit-wit> yep
[08:13] <nit-wit> he's a graet bass player he linked me to some vid
[08:13] <nit-wit> *great
[08:14] <nit-wit> really nice guy as well helps lots of people.
[08:14] <philipballew_> he helps me sometimes and we work together to help some people sometimes
[08:14] <philipballew_> he knows his stuff
[08:15] <nit-wit> yeah he knows some of the same players I do, not unusual in Jazz, no maoney to live like a rock star.
[08:15] <nit-wit> *money
[08:15] <philipballew_> how so?
[08:16] <nit-wit> one is a rather well known bass player
[08:16] <nit-wit> just the scene we all mingle generally rather than escape
[08:17] <nit-wit> Jazz is one of the true democratic genre in music, along with the blues to some extent
[08:18] <philipballew_> AMERICA!!!!!!!!
[08:19] <nit-wit> Jazz and other music formats are really ethnic music to some ectent like one would consider others bound to culture and country
[08:20] <philipballew_> i like spoken word jazz
[08:21] <nit-wit> yeah, I play really wild avantegarde stuff now, when i actually play, it includes that and multimedia.
[08:21] <philipballew_> some say that is not music
[08:21] <nit-wit> I know people run at times
[08:21] <philipballew_> i heard a speach on that a few months ago
[08:22] <philipballew_> avantegarde is intrestingf
[08:22] <nit-wit> it is an acquired taste for sure, it helps if you understand music theory, or just like it.
[08:23] <philipballew_> i play the drums. haha
[08:23] <philipballew_> not just play, but read to
[08:23] <philipballew_> theres a difference
[08:24] <nit-wit> cool are you familiar with Vinnie Colaiuta
[08:24] <nit-wit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinnie_Colaiuta
[08:25] <nit-wit> probably about the best around scary player, the only person to ever audition for Frank Zappa and play the book perfectly
[08:26] <philipballew_> session drumming is a good gig
[08:27] <nit-wit> yaeh, he is on ton's of others gigs or albums. Even though I a sax,flute, and fretless bass player the beat is where it's at
[08:27] <nit-wit> I am
[08:28] <philipballew_> for sure
[08:28] <philipballew_> its bed time here in this area for me
[08:28]  * philipballew_ turns out the light
[08:28] <nit-wit> just a bunch of notes otherwise, although I played in a group that was all improv and the drummer played free time like nobody I have ever played with, good night
[08:29] <philipballew_> peace!
[08:29] <nit-wit> sma eto yiou .;)
[13:41] <^zenhobb-it> hello!
[13:42] <Abhijit> hi
[13:42] <^zenhobb-it> can you help me unistalling kubuntu 8.04 please?
[13:42] <Abhijit> ^zenhobb-it, you can not uninsatll it. just foramt it and delete it.
[13:43] <Abhijit> ^zenhobb-it, you want to upgrade or you want to install another os there?
[13:43] <^zenhobb-it> yes I simply want to uprade to 10.04
[13:44] <^zenhobb-it> but I have only 3 gb free
[13:44] <Abhijit> !8.04
[13:44] <ubot2> Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Desktop support ended on May 12 2011. See !upgrade, !lts and !eol for more details.
[13:44] <^zenhobb-it> and kubuntu always slows the boot time
[13:44] <Abhijit> ^zenhobb-it, for upgradation you do not need to uinstall the current os. just follow the upgrade procedure
[13:44] <Abhijit> !upgrade | ^zenhobb-it
[13:44] <ubot2> ^zenhobb-it: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade
[13:45] <^zenhobb-it> yes I know
[13:46] <^zenhobb-it> but is there any way to disable kubuntu, restoring ubuntu as default?
[13:46] <^zenhobb-it> I mean, I've choosen to set kubuntu as default
[13:48] <^zenhobb-it> at the boot, appears the kubuntu loading instead of ubuntu... how to disable it?
[13:52] <Abhijit> do you have gnome installed?
[13:53] <^zenhobb-it> yes
[13:55] <Abhijit> ^zenhobb-it, at the login screen at the bottm there is option to choose between kde/gnome
[13:55] <bioterror> yes
[13:56] <bioterror> ctrl+alt+f1
[13:56] <bioterror> log in
[13:56] <bioterror> and purge kde\*
[13:56] <bioterror> then install ubuntu-desktop
[13:56] <bioterror> and when you're logged into gnome desktop
[13:56] <bioterror> !puregnome
[13:56] <ubot2> If you want to remove all !Kubuntu packages or !Xubuntu packages and have a default !Ubuntu system, follow the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome
[14:01] <^zenhobb-it> ok thanks
[14:01] <^zenhobb-it> so if I remove all kubuntu packages it also delete kde?
[14:02] <bioterror> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde
[14:16] <tsimpson> !puregnome | ^zenhobb-it, see this too
[14:16] <ubot2> ^zenhobb-it, see this too: If you want to remove all !Kubuntu packages or !Xubuntu packages and have a default !Ubuntu system, follow the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome
[14:16] <tsimpson> (make sure you have "ubuntu-desktop" installed though)
[14:19] <^zenhobb-it> excuse me, what I have to do first: 1) ctrl+alt+f1 at the log,  "purge kde\*" and then "install ubuntu-desktop" or 2) write the command that remove kubuntu in the terminal, as written here http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnomehardy ?
[14:25] <^zenhobb-it> lo nhandler pleia2 tronyx sardonyx ! en taro adun starcraftman !
[14:26] <Abhijit> ^zenhobb-it, do not use that command. only do sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop
[14:26] <Abhijit> that command from that site broken my system
[14:27] <^zenhobb-it> lol really?
[14:27] <Abhijit> yeah
[14:27] <^zenhobb-it> they are criminals!
[14:28] <^zenhobb-it> So can I type this command now, or I need to disconnect and type ctrl+alt+f1?
[14:28] <Abhijit> yeah type now
[14:28] <Abhijit> its wil be better if you login inside gnome
[14:29] <^zenhobb-it> ok
[14:29] <^zenhobb-it> and what about it: sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
[14:30] <^zenhobb-it> what's the difference?
[14:33] <Abhijit> use apt-get
[14:34] <^zenhobb-it> ok
[14:34] <^zenhobb-it> less radical?
[14:35] <^zenhobb-it> "Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[14:36] <Abhijit> ^zenhobb-it, close synaptic or software center or any other terminal
[14:36] <^zenhobb-it> ok
[14:39] <^zenhobb-it> it seems to have already finished
[14:39] <Abhijit> hmm
[14:43] <^zenhobb-it> Do I need to restart before apply some updates?
[14:46] <^zenhobb-it> Do I have to install ALL updates (backports includeds) before update to 10.04?
[14:47] <Abhijit> yes
[14:49] <^zenhobb-it> yes both?
[14:49] <Abhijit> yes to second
[14:49] <^zenhobb-it> ok thanks
[14:50] <yofel> Abhijit: purging kubuntu-desktop does *not* remove the dependencies, although removing libkdecore5 should probabl take most of KDE with it
[14:51] <Abhijit> yofel, amm???
[14:51] <Abhijit> yofel, you talking w.r.t what?
[14:51] <^zenhobb-it> does it matters if some backport updates are kde-related?
 ^zenhobb-it, do not use that command. only do sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop
[14:52] <Abhijit> yes
[14:52] <Abhijit> becuase i copied pasted that command from that site
[14:52] <Abhijit> and it did broke my system
[14:52] <Abhijit> i need to reinstall
[14:53] <yofel> hm, shouldn't, as it does install ubuntu-desktop at the end
[14:54] <Abhijit> i had ubunt desktop already
[15:01] <^zenhobb-it> so is it better if I reinstall ubuntu-desktop for safeness?
[15:02] <Abhijit> not necessary
[15:10] <^zenhobb-it> lo
[15:10] <Abhijit> ??
[17:09] <Chenthu> can some one help me install Natty Narwhal?
[17:10] <Chenthu> no one here?
[17:11] <Chenthu> can someone help me?....I ve been trying to install ubuntu 11.04 from yesterday
[17:11] <Chenthu> ok brb
[17:19] <holstein> Chenthu: ?
[17:19] <holstein> whats up?
[17:48] <Chenthu> hey back
[17:48] <Chenthu> holstein u there?
[17:48] <holstein> o/
[17:48] <Chenthu> was afk
[17:49] <Chenthu> still have trouble installing
[17:49] <Chenthu> i downloaded the other version
[17:50] <Chenthu> still propbs...this tim it osnt even going to install
[17:50] <Chenthu> how r u man?...sry...was too messed up...lol
[17:50] <holstein> im good
[17:50] <holstein> Chenthu: how does it run live
[17:50] <Chenthu> same problem
[17:51] <holstein> when you get to the choice to install or run live, you should choose run live
[17:51] <holstein> when you get it running live, then you'll have a better, easier time installing
[17:51] <Chenthu> when i boot from usb  get display probs after that i get my windos 7 desktop wall paper (scrambled)
[17:51] <Chenthu> i cant run it live either
[17:52] <Chenthu>  same probs
[17:52] <holstein> Chenthu: these are the same things
[17:52] <holstein> from cd usb whatever
[17:52] <Chenthu> :(
[17:52] <holstein> the big differences would be the kernel version
[17:52] <Chenthu> so no other way?
[17:52] <holstein> if i were you, i would download 10.04 live
[17:53] <holstein> i would get that running live
[17:53] <holstein> one thing to look into is safe grahpics mode
[17:53] <Chenthu> but how is it that some could install it?
[17:53] <holstein> Chenthu: some?
[17:53] <holstein> some users?
[17:53] <Chenthu> how to go to safe graphics mode?
[17:53] <Chenthu> yeah some users
[17:53] <holstein> you have different hardware
[17:54] <holstein> im guessing some type of nvidia graphics card
[17:54] <holstein> i have a VIA chip thats a pain
[17:54] <Chenthu> VIA?...never heard of
[17:54] <holstein> Chenthu: trying different live CD's is an easy way for you to try different kernels and experience different hardware support
[17:55] <Chenthu> any idea of how to recover this nvidi issue
[17:55] <holstein> i keep the latest ubuntu, the latest ubuntu LTS, knoppix and some other recovery live CD's at hand
[17:55] <holstein> as well as others
[17:55] <holstein> Chenthu: i have all kinds of ideas about how to force that to install
[17:55] <holstein> all of which really require me to be in front of the hardware
[17:56] <Chenthu> u must be a genius
[17:56] <Chenthu> hmmm...where r u from...would fly up to sort this issue...
[17:56] <Chenthu> just kidding
[17:56] <holstein> hehe, im in north carolina, and im no genius, im just getting more used to troubleshooting
[17:57] <holstein> Chenthu: what machine is this?
[17:57] <holstein> sometime just clearly googling cant help
[17:57] <holstein> "ubuntu HP pavillion whatever"
[17:57] <holstein> the greatest thing for me about linux and opensource is the community
[17:57] <Chenthu> Compaq Pressario V3133AU
[17:57] <Chenthu> 2.5 Gb Ram
[17:58] <Chenthu> 500 GB hard disk
[17:58] <holstein> you can pretty much guarantee someone else has had that same issue
[17:59] <Chenthu> yeah..but finding the right is hell of a task
[18:00] <holstein> Chenthu: i would download 10.04 and try that
[18:00] <Chenthu> i think i will better edit the blacklist file to ignore nvidia drivers
[18:00] <Chenthu> after install may be i will reinstall...lol
[18:00] <Chenthu> i d better put 10.04 download and while it gets downloaded i will work on this
[18:01] <holstein> what you want is a nice easy live experience
[18:01] <holstein> then the install will 'just work'
[18:01] <holstein> some hardware configurations are tricky
[18:02] <Chenthu> yeah it is....i expected nvidia to **** up...and it just did
[18:03] <Chenthu> Is 11.04 buggy only in installation or on the whole?
[18:03] <holstein> Chenthu: not really
[18:04] <Chenthu> meaning
[18:04] <holstein> 10.04 is the latest long term support, and also, its more of the age of that machine
[18:04] <holstein> the kernel in there might support that hardware better
[18:04] <holstein> it might not though....
[18:04] <Chenthu> i got this laptop 5 yrs b4
[18:05] <holstein> right... hardware support could be in a backport... you can probaly install a command line install, and get support for that hardware
[18:06] <holstein> the answer is always yes, its just not always trivial, or easy at first
[18:06] <holstein> usually, most modern hardware is supported out of the box
[18:06] <Chenthu> my graphics card is pretty old
[18:06] <Chenthu> Gforce 6150 go
[18:07] <holstein> yup, i remember having a card like that
[18:07] <holstein> it was a drag to get linux to use it, but i did
[18:07] <holstein> i forced the vesa driver
[18:07] <holstein> i got rid of that machine the first chance though
[18:07] <holstein> i sold it with XP on it before it was too far gone
[18:08] <Chenthu> i will be getting xpx 15 with sandybridge next month
[18:08] <holstein> Chenthu: you can get that working
[18:08] <Chenthu> but i will still use only this sys for linux till i get used to it
[18:08] <holstein> do you still have an install on it?
[18:09] <Chenthu> u mean install ubuntu on t his machine?
[18:09] <holstein> Chenthu: this is the idea
[18:09] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[18:09] <holstein> its out of date though
[18:10] <holstein> to get 11.04 to show that menu, you need to hit shift
[18:10] <holstein> then you hit F4 and choose 'nomodeset'
[18:10] <holstein> *at least im pretty sure thats the way
[18:11] <Chenthu> hmmm...will try it out now
[18:11] <Chenthu> not working
[18:11] <Chenthu> but there is a command line option
[18:11] <Chenthu> will try that
[18:12] <holstein> Chenthu: no
[18:12] <Chenthu> ?
[18:12] <holstein> thats an install option
[18:12] <holstein> that must be the alternate image
[18:12] <Chenthu> u mean aftter i clcik install?
[18:12] <holstein> that will install a command line system
[18:12] <Chenthu> k
[18:12] <holstein> you want to have the LIVE cd image
[18:12] <holstein> and try that option
[18:12] <Chenthu> oh ok
[18:13] <holstein> that should help you boot into a mode that will use your graphics card
[18:13] <Chenthu> but the [prob is i cant get the liove cd working as well
[18:14] <Chenthu> if i press run from usb or install from usb...what ever i do i get a scrambled image and the a flood of texts and then ubuntu screen loading afetr that my windows 7 desktop wall paper comes scrambled and gets stuck there
[18:14] <holstein> Chenthu: rigth, this should help you do that, and thats what i would want to do *before* installing
[18:14] <holstein> Chenthu: thats sounds right... thats the same kind of thing i used to see
[18:14] <Chenthu> lol
[18:14] <holstein> if you want to use that hardware, you'll need to force the vesa driver
[18:14] <Chenthu> think we are getting clearer now
[18:14] <Chenthu> haha
[18:15] <Chenthu> ok
[18:15] <Chenthu> so now i have to do is?
[18:15] <holstein> and you still can
[18:15] <Chenthu> what should i do now
[18:15] <Chenthu> i boot from usb
[18:15] <holstein> i would download and use the ubuntu 10.04 cd
[18:15] <Chenthu> i get the options and then
[18:15] <Chenthu> so that is the only way?
[18:15] <holstein> i personally have not tried those options on the newer ones, so i cant say first hand
[18:16] <Chenthu> hmmm...ok
[18:16] <holstein> it should work the same though... hit shift, find that screen with the F4 option
[18:16] <Chenthu> starting download
[18:16] <holstein> any of the live CD's should have those options hidden
[18:16] <Chenthu> k will try
[18:16] <Chenthu> brb...bro
[18:22] <Chenthu> k back...
[18:24] <Chenthu> its downloading
[18:24] <Chenthu> holstein...u there?
[18:25] <holstein> yup
[18:25] <Chenthu> how long have you been using linux?
[18:26] <holstein> well, i had a rough start
[18:26] <Chenthu> lol...i thsts expercted
[18:27] <holstein> maybe since 2008
[18:27] <Chenthu> oh 3 years?..thats good
[18:27] <Chenthu> which distros have u tried so far?
[18:28] <holstein> i tried using linux before then
[18:28] <Chenthu> k
[18:28] <holstein> but i would say since 08 or so i have been using it exclusively
[18:28] <Chenthu> thats a good amount of time u have spent
[18:28] <holstein> i ran mepis on a laptop... that forced me to use linux on a daily basis
[18:29] <holstein> i was always trying to move my recording rig over to linux though
[18:29] <holstein> i tried 64studio, JAD, dynebolic... all kinds of audio distros
[18:29] <Chenthu> recording rig?...u mean u work on media?
[18:29] <Chenthu> oh thats good...
[18:29] <Chenthu> so u are from the audio industry?
[18:29] <holstein> Chenthu: im a musician, i have a home studio
[18:30] <jimmie> You realise Holstein is billy joel right?
[18:30] <jimmie> I thought everyone knew
[18:30] <Chenthu> dude i dont have an idea what ur speaking abt....I am from a different country than yours...so i wouldnt have a clue who is who?
[18:30] <Chenthu> I am from India
[18:31] <holstein> lol
[18:31] <holstein> http://holstein.bandcamp.com/
[18:31] <Chenthu> oh that was jimmie....i though it was you holstien
[18:31] <holstein> ^^ thats a solo album which is made with ubuntustudio from start to finish :)
[18:32] <Chenthu> wow thats really amazing to hear
[18:33] <Chenthu> so there are distros for sound , video and so?
[18:33] <holstein> yup... ubuntustudio is great
[18:33] <holstein> bascially ubuntustudio = ubuntu... its just a collection of packages in a custom distro pretty much
[18:33] <holstein> the same repos and all that
[18:34] <holstein> there are lots of buntu based audio distros such as KXstudio, puredyne, gnuguitarinux
[18:34] <holstein> there are nice debian ones too like AVlinux
[18:34] <Chenthu> is there any studios for CAD?
[18:35] <Chenthu> i sry i mean any distros for CAD
[18:36] <Chenthu> like catia, proe, ansys, hypermesh, star ccm+, nastran patran... :)
[18:36] <holstein> AFAIK... i know folks really like blender
[18:36] <Chenthu> blender?
[18:36] <Chenthu> AFAIK?...whats that?
[18:37] <tenach> as far as I know
[18:37] <tenach> Chenthu: ^
[18:37] <Chenthu> oh k...never used that...
[18:38] <Chenthu> thanks tenach
[18:38] <holstein> !blender
[18:38] <ubot2> blender is a free application for 3D modelling, animation, rendering, etc. You can install it from Ubuntu's repositories, and tutorials are at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro
[18:38] <tenach> ChanServ: I do sometimes... but I try not to
[18:38] <tenach> No problem Chenthu :)
[18:38] <tenach> And I meant Chenthu not mr.chan serv
[18:38] <Chenthu> lol...
[18:39] <Chenthu> but blender is animation right...not physics analysis for engineering
[18:39] <Chenthu> but yea i 've heard of FOAM
[18:39] <Chenthu> thats a free cfd analysis
[18:40] <Chenthu> Where are you guys from?
[18:41] <holstein> i am in northcarolina, but be careful.. this is the official support channel... the OT one is #ubuntu-beginners-team
[18:41] <Chenthu> yeah....i know....just this one lol
[18:41] <Chenthu> good
[18:42] <Chenthu> My 10.04 is dowbnkloading at 190-260 KB/s
[18:42] <Chenthu> have to wait but b4 that i will try using the safe graphics mode
[18:43] <Chenthu> will i be able to install a pure linux install without even the desktop...just the kernel and the terminal?
[18:43] <Chenthu> using ubuntu
[18:45] <Chenthu> seems u guys are bussy
[18:45] <Chenthu> busy
[18:45] <Chenthu> *
[18:45] <Chenthu> noone there?
[18:47] <holstein> Chenthu: i would use the alternate CD and hit F4 and choose 'command line install'
[18:49] <Chenthu> i tried alternate cd right
[18:49] <Chenthu> but still...i installs
[18:49] <Chenthu> it installs*...but the prob is when i log in
[18:49] <Chenthu> i jst get errors and a blank screen
[18:50] <holstein> right... you can go in with a live CD and fix that install
[18:50] <holstein> you can go in from the windows install in theory
[18:54] <Chenthu> windows install?
[18:54] <Chenthu> but that will act only as an application...not as a seperate operating system
[18:55] <holstein> you're dual booting right? you could get ext support in windows and make a custom xorg.conf and put it in place with the windows install
[18:56] <Chenthu> but that wouldnt be a clean install...right?
[18:56] <holstein> Chenthu: that would be to fix the currrent one you have
[19:00] <Chenthu> ok
[19:27] <Doktor_Zhivago> how do you get ubuntu to recognize a cd-rom drive
[19:36] <nit-wit> Doktor_Zhivago, is it a internal or external?
[19:36] <Doktor_Zhivago_> internal
[19:37] <Doktor_Zhivago_> i installed through the wubi downloader
[19:37] <nit-wit> Doktor_Zhivago, strange it should show, I believe.
[19:38] <Doktor_Zhivago_> well i originally installed ubuntu and switched to kubuntu to play with that for a while
[19:38] <Doktor_Zhivago_> then i switched back to ubuntu
[19:38] <Doktor_Zhivago_> but it worked on the first ubuntu and the kubuntu installs
[19:38] <Doktor_Zhivago_> just not this one for some reason
[19:38] <nit-wit> Doktor_Zhivago, do you have a live cd
[19:38] <bioterror> you sure that CD-ROM drive is okay?
[19:39] <Doktor_Zhivago_> yeah i was just ripping an audio cd on the windows install
[19:39] <Doktor_Zhivago_> no live cd
[19:39] <nit-wit> Doktor_Zhivago, works in windows still?
[19:39] <Doktor_Zhivago_> yeah
[19:40] <bioterror> hmm
[19:40] <bioterror> can you see it when you run "sudo lshw |less" in terminal
[19:42] <Doktor_Zhivago_> no but everything else seems to
[19:43] <bioterror> my desktop computer doesnt either
[19:44] <bioterror> but the one I installed today for my parents in law says it has *-cdrom
[19:46] <Doktor_Zhivago_> gonna double check on windows bbiab
[20:03] <tdn> Sometimes audio just stops working... It says that /dev/dsp does not exist... I have these errors in the logs: http://p.adora.dk/P2112.html  How do I fix this?
[20:07] <holstein> tdn: what are you running?
[20:07] <holstein> assuming it works, and then crashes, i would suggest going one way or the other with a few packages
[20:08] <tdn> 11.04
[20:08] <holstein> updating alsa, or dropping down to an older verion... and maybe trying an older kernel as well
[20:08] <holstein> tdn: is this something that has always happened?
[20:08] <tdn> I think it has always since 11.04.
[20:08] <holstein> yeah...i mean, i would just install 10.04, and use it...
[20:09] <holstein> but, you should be able to pin point what need upgraded or downgraded to sort that out
[20:09] <holstein> tdn: after it fails, before restarting or fixing it, run in a terminal
[20:09] <holstein> aplay -l
[20:09] <holstein> see you you see your device listed
[20:14] <tdn> http://paste.adora.dk/P2115.txt
[20:14] <holstein> tdn: this is after the crash?
[20:14] <tdn> holstein, it shows two sound cards
[20:14] <tdn> holstein, this is when sound does not work in mplayer right now.
[20:15] <holstein> just mplayer?
[20:15] <tdn> No. Sound at all.
[20:15] <tdn> Not in mplayer, audacious, etc.
[20:15] <tdn> mplayer just happened to be the one I tried first.
[20:15] <holstein> try this... sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload
[20:16] <holstein> does that bring the sound back?
[20:16] <tdn> http://paste.adora.dk/P2116.txt
[20:16] <tdn> still no sound.
[20:16] <tdn> did you see the paste?
[20:17] <holstein> tdn: what triggers this issue?
[20:17] <tdn> holstein, I have no idea :(
[20:17] <holstein> are you upgraded?
[20:17] <tdn> holstein, just happens.
[20:17] <holstein> check for upgrades
[20:17] <tdn> holstein, I reinstalled 11.04 from scratch. Clean system.
[20:17] <holstein> tdn: with all updated?
[20:17] <tdn> This problem did not begin after a particular upgrade. Not a recent one at least.
[20:18] <holstein> updates*
[20:18] <tdn> Everything is up to date.
[20:18] <holstein> ok
[20:18] <holstein> i would start with alsa
[20:18] <bioterror> pulseaudio -k
[20:18] <tdn> E: main.c: Failed to kill daemon: No such process
[20:18] <bioterror> ha
[20:18] <bioterror> sudo service pulseaudio restart
[20:18] <holstein> bioterror: good call...
[20:19] <tdn> Oh. I ran pulseaudio -k in a root terminal.
[20:19] <bioterror> ;)
[20:19] <tdn> If I run it in a user terminal, it says nothing.
[20:19] <tdn> Assuming it just kills PA daemon?
[20:20] <bioterror> yeah
[20:20] <tdn> bioterror, still no sound. Then what?
[20:20] <bioterror> do you have two sound cards?
[20:20] <bioterror> one built-in and one in PCI?
[20:21] <tdn> bioterror, it is a laptop.
[20:21] <bioterror> okay
[20:21] <tdn> I think it has only one.
[20:21] <tdn> Maybe it shows up as two?
[20:21] <holstein> one is showing as digital, the other anolog
[20:22] <bioterror> okay
[20:23] <tdn> Is that a problem?
[20:23] <bioterror> I'm searching my backlogs
[20:25] <holstein> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51621
[20:26] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1188786
[20:27] <holstein> tdn: you have heard sound before on this machine though right?
[20:27] <tdn> holstein, sure. All the time. If I reboot now, it will work again. For some time.
[20:29] <tdn> Just read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1188786, I do not have the line that is mentioned in the fix here.
[20:30] <tdn> I guess this is an old problem.
[20:34] <bioterror> !soundtroubleshooting
[20:34] <ubot2> bioterror: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[20:34] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[20:35] <stlsaint> bioterror: you just gonna take that from that bot!! :P
[20:46] <bioterror> stlsaint, ;)
[21:03] <chenthu> holstien: u there?
[21:17] <stlsaint> chenthu: do you need help with something?
[21:18] <chenthu> stlsaint:yeah...need help installing ubuntu
[21:20] <stlsaint> chenthu: nice, what is the issue
[21:20] <chenthu> have been trying to install 11.04 and 10,04.3
[21:20] <chenthu> each gives a different [prob
[21:21] <chenthu> 11.04 i can install but not loggine using alternate download iso
[21:22] <chenthu> using desktop iso i cannot install it gets stuck showing my windows 7 wallpaper
[21:22] <stlsaint> chenthu: what medium are you using to install?
[21:23] <chenthu> now i got fed up and started trying to install 10.04.3...this time it just gives a broken corrupted screen
[21:23] <chenthu> i am using a usb
[21:24] <chenthu> wht should i do now?
[21:25] <chenthu> stlsaint
[21:25] <stlsaint> chenthu: what are you using to but the iso onto the usb?
[21:25] <chenthu> u there?
[21:26] <chenthu> i used both unetbootin
[21:26] <chenthu> ans usb installer
[21:26] <chenthu> both doent work
[21:29] <stlsaint> chenthu: what are your system specs?
[21:29] <chenthu> 2.5 gb ram
[21:30] <chenthu> 390 gb hard disk
[21:30] <chenthu> have windows 7 in drive c
[21:30] <chenthu> nvidia gforce 6150 go graphics card
[21:30] <chenthu> laptop
[21:31] <chenthu> i think this is sure a graphics issue
[21:33] <chenthu> stlsaint: u there?
[21:33] <stlsaint> and you have tried ubuntu 11.04 and 10.04 with no success on either, can you give me some errors or anything? Screenshots maybe?
[21:42] <chenthu> in 11.04 i get a black screen aftyer login, this one i installed using alternate download
[21:43] <chenthu> if i try to instal 11.04 from the desktop iso i cant install
[21:43] <chenthu> in 10.04 i cant install again
[21:44] <chenthu> when i try to install i get a scrambled screen
[21:44] <stlsaint> chenthu: have you tried the live cd on either distro?
[21:44] <chenthu> sry cant give screenshots
[21:44] <stlsaint> chenthu: so why not try the livecd from 10.04
[21:44] <chenthu> no means for screen shots
[21:44] <holstein> one way would be to add a custom xorg.conf file to force the vesa driver
[21:44] <chenthu> another one?
[21:44] <stlsaint> chenthu: or use 10.10
[21:45] <chenthu> i am planning to go for fedora or something this ubuntu installation just toils mw
[21:45] <holstein> you'll never be able to just 'install'
[21:45] <holstein> you'll need to force the vesa driver
[21:45] <stlsaint> holstein: that can get messy
[21:45] <holstein> this will be with any distro really
[21:45] <chenthu> holstein: how to do that?
[21:45] <holstein> thats just some not very well supported graphics adapter
[21:46] <holstein> chenthu: when i had a similar card, i used the safe graphics mode
[21:46] <holstein> that was in 9.10 and 10.04
[21:46] <holstein> i also added a custom xorg.conf
[21:47] <holstein> the way i did it, because im not all that savvy with it... i used a knoppix live CD
[21:47] <holstein> i copied the xorg.conf from there
[21:47] <holstein> i might have edited a bit, but for the most part, i put that in place and it worked
[21:47] <holstein> i dont have that machine any more though... so i cant say about 10.10+
[21:47] <chenthu> hmmm
[21:48] <chenthu> so better dump ubuntu and go for something else?
[21:49] <chenthu> pl i get it  ""any distro"
[21:50] <chenthu> same probs with them too might be
[21:51] <holstein> chenthu: thats what im saying... i mean feel free and try *any* live distro
[21:52] <holstein> i encourage that for learning purposes, even if you come back to buntu
[21:52] <chenthu> hmmm
[21:52] <chenthu> k
[21:52] <holstein> the problem is not linux or ubuntu
[21:52] <chenthu> lol...i am complelty fed up
[21:52] <holstein> its that nvidia device
[21:52] <chenthu> yeah my nvidia
[21:53] <chenthu> :(
[21:53] <holstein> chenthu: if you download puppy linux, there is a dialoge at the beginning
[21:53] <holstein> you get to boot up in vesa mode
[21:53] <chenthu> k
[21:53] <chenthu> will try
[21:53] <holstein> you'll have the desktop, and you can look around and maybe copy that xorg.conf
[21:53] <holstein> you dont *have* to jump around with these live CD's
[21:54] <holstein> but they might be educational for you since you are just getting started with some challenging hardware
[21:54] <chenthu> thanks for ur help so long bro
[21:54] <chenthu> yeah...i am sxcited abt this challenging stuff
[21:54] <chenthu> but when comes to no way out...getting frustrated
[21:55] <holstein> chenthu: you can always just run linux in VM
[21:55] <holstein> you got plenty of ram... and you can really get your feet wet, and use the snapshots
[21:59] <chenthu> lol...the problem is not me lazy the problem is cant upload now....as its nioght already and i dont wanna wake people up
[21:59] <chenthu> will upload tomorrow
[22:00] <holstein> chenthu: upload?
[22:01] <chenthu> the snapshots of my plight
[22:01] <holstein> OH, i mean OS snapshots
[22:01] <holstein> in vitualbox i save a snapshot of the virtualmachine... then i break it, then i revert to that snapshot :)
[22:02] <holstein> its a great way to learn, and it'll get around the graphics issues you have
[22:02] <holstein> you'll never have 3d on that hardware anyways
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