[02:38] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [02:38] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [02:38] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood during emergency mode) [02:39] dealing with it ^ [03:59] #ubuntu-hk currently has no humans in it and has had one line spoken in it in the last week. Objections to removing it from !cn? [04:06] !cn [04:06] 如欲獲得中文的協助，請輸入 /join #ubuntu-cn /join #ubuntu-tw 或 /join #ubuntu-hk [04:06] rww: Go ahead [04:07] !cn =~ s% 或 /join #ubuntu-hk%% [04:07] I'll remember that rww [04:15] you might want to figure out what 或 means and if it ought to be put back in between -cn and -tw [04:17] Google suggests "or". [04:17] sssshhhh language is hard [04:17] !cn =~ s%cn /%cn 或 /% [04:17] I'll remember that rww [04:17] (and yes, it's or. I remember the last time this factoid came up) [04:22] * nhandler really should fix up his vps so that he doesn't just see a bunch of ?s [04:22] nhandler: Incidental offtopic note: I'm beating you on #idlerpg :P [04:23] :) [04:24] [#ubuntu] I am entirely unsurprised to note that littlebearz is a mIRC user with a bunch of scripts installed. [04:24] Are there mIRC users without a bunch of useless scripts installed? [04:24] ah. once of which appears to be a DCC bot. [04:25] tonyyarusso: friends don't let friends use mIRC :( [04:25] Indeed. [06:17] truepurple was asking that repeatedly in another channel [06:19] truepurple was another victory for +g [06:19] I read that as g+ [06:27] ah the high dudgeon [06:32] wine is installed by default? [06:32] not that I'm aware of [06:33] truepurple, hello [06:33] bazhang: ? [06:33] truepurple, this is where to discuss issues with channel moderation, etc [06:34] How do i tell who is a mod? [06:35] Verses who is just a bossy regular user? [06:35] truepurple, not the issue [06:35] it doesnt matter [06:35] you were going way offtopic [06:35] It sure does [06:35] again, /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list. If your client is unable to deal with notices, go ask your client's IRC channel why. [06:35] #smuxi perhaps [06:36] which has a whole seven people in it. [06:36] I type in "/msg chanserv access #ubuntu list" as a command? [06:36] truepurple, yes [06:36] any channel? [06:36] ? [06:36] I know you're familiar with the concept of messages, you attempted to do it to me earlier. [06:37] You could have said I wont talk to you here or something [06:37] Rather then silence [06:38] truepurple: My IRC session is set to not send me messages that are PMed to me unless they're from specific users. This is by design. [06:38] and is entirely irrelevant to whyever you're here, I would guess [06:38] he/she was asking who the "channel mods" were [06:39] I suggested truepurple come here [06:39] Is most of the people here mods? [06:40] apart from the bots, yes [06:40] mods are called ops on irc [06:40] Anyone with a + next to the name? [06:40] k [06:40] truepurple, at any rate, you were going offtopic, were asked to stop. [06:40] #ubuntu-ops contains ops from all the core channels, not just #ubuntu. [06:41] truepurple, hence the removal [06:41] But if they are here with the + next to their name, they are ops somewhere? [06:41] yeppers [06:42] bazhang: So you are the reason my ubuntu tab just vanished, taking all its chat history with it? [06:42] truepurple, not sure what you mean by that [06:43] No, that would be me. If your client doesn't support logging either, you should probably give up and find a sane client. [06:43] bazhang "truepurple, hence the removal: [06:43] What is logging? [06:44] copying chat history to a file for later perusal [06:44] Well this is the IRC client that was suggested to me when I asked in ubuntu some time ago, what client should I use [06:44] I can copy/past chat history, if that is what you mean [06:46] rww: Well knowing someones knowledge base can be integral to getting help on anything, without that information, its just another random opinion that may be right, or may be wrong, I might as well ask a crazy 8 ball [06:47] truepurple, you asked about linux running better from the center of the hdd. you were answered there is no effect. you then asked for the qualifications, real-life experience of that fact. [06:47] No, I asked what you base your answer on, what your level of expertise is etc [06:48] truepurple, at that point, you were asked to please take the chat to #ubuntu-offtopic [06:48] Like I said, its easy to answer, you could not know the first thing about the subject and say the same thing [06:48] truepurple, lots of eyes on that channel. [06:49] Well it is relevant to the ubuntu topic I was asking about, which would make it ontopic, besides which, I can not join ubuntu-beginners [06:49] things that are clearly wrong are almost always called out as such [06:49] bazang: I have asked many a basic question in ubuntu channel and had noone there having a clue [06:50] bazang: so silence from the crowd (many of which are also others looking for help) says nothing [06:50] truepurple, at any rate, the continued questioning of said expertise was clearly offtopic. [06:51] truepurple, was there anything else you wished to discuss? [06:52] bazhang: I disagree, so your saying if I wish to get help with ubuntu, sometimes I need to split half that conversation into another channel? [06:53] What purpose does this surve? [06:53] truepurple, not sure what you mean [06:53] serve [06:53] direct ubuntu support in #ubuntu [06:53] chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic [06:53] Asking someones level of expertise is a matter of getting ubuntu support, not of chit-chat [06:54] truepurple, the channel would grind to a standstill if that were the standard policy [06:57] If people were allowed to ask your level of expertise, the channel would grind to a standstill? I see no bases in that belief [06:58] #ubuntu uses peer review to insure the advice we get/receive is correct. had rww given you the wrong answer 95% of the time someone would have said something. So the question here is were you off topic or not? in the opinion of two active ops at the time you were. [06:58] as "level of expertise" is vague at best, I don't see how it would be a short, productive discussion in our support channels [06:59] rww: Anyway, I can not ask in offtopic, even though it is not a matter of chit-chat, its not working for me to join that channel. I can't ask you in PM, because for what ever crazy reason your not accepting them. Would you please answer here? [07:00] truepurple: if you feel the removal was unjust or abusive... [07:00] !appeals [07:00] If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page. [07:00] If I tell you I have a bachelors degree in channel opping, a masters degree in management, and more LPIC certifications than I can count, will you listen to me when I tell you to stop being monotonous? [07:00] I see no reason to continue this discussion. [07:00] Neither do I. [07:01] IdleOne: I have asked questions where noone knew the answer to my question, even though my question was not very advanced. So not always is there someone knowledgable about that same subject [07:01] And if somoene doesn't know, they say nothing right? [07:01] truepurple: people who answer questions in #ubuntu usually do it when they know the answer. [07:01] IdleOne: So to say that one persons statement is correct because noone disagreed at that time is not confirmation [07:02] truepurple: What qualifies you to decide that rww didn't lie to you when he gives you his resume? [07:02] you are wasting our time with this nonsense. [07:02] good night. [07:03] IdleOne: I would give rww the benefit of the doubt as far as any qualifification claims [07:03] You don't appear to be. [07:03] rww: How can I when you didn't give any in the first place? [07:03] *qualification [07:03] ok so give him the same benefit and assume he gave you the right answer. [07:04] which he did [07:04] IdleOne: That is too much of a leap [07:04] thanks elky [07:05] I wanted to but didn't want to be accused of abusing [07:05] oh, you'll always be accused of that just by virtue of breathing. [07:05] comes with the job. [07:05] hehe [07:06] elky: yeah I know but I rather it be a council member then me :P [07:06] than* [07:06] Yes, because elky is less likely to be accused of abuse than you. [07:06] :P [07:07] that isn't what I meant [07:07] I am just happy it isn't me this time [07:08] hmmm, I think I have never been accused on abusing my demigod powers ): [07:08] ldunn: welcome with perfect timing, how can we help you? (; [07:08] i seem to recall it happening in your absence. [07:09] truepurple has done this stuff before, and been banned for it [07:09] incidentally, I don't see any modes set on them in #ubuntu-beginners. Dunno why they think there are. [07:10] elky: you're intriguing me (:) [07:10] Tm_T, i can't remember specificis [07:10] elky: they are there as they where banned from #ubuntu at one point before [07:11] eh? [07:11] sorry, have I missunderstood the question [07:12] ikonia, asking people's level of expertise to give basic answers [07:12] ok, so i'm still this side of the line. cool. [07:12] "does linux run better from the center of the hdd" [07:12] bazhang: repeating the same question over and over and over, then asking you to backup your reasons with documentation or your CV [07:12] there's no line, just endless plane [07:13] ikonia, then insisting that questioning the expertise is totally ON topic [07:13] bazhang: and then cross-posting the same question in multple channel and trying to play people off against each other [07:13] ikonia, yes, exactly, as it happened today [07:13] I'm not sure why we're expending effort telling each other that the person we know was trolling was trolling :P [07:13] I could understand him asking how do you know ? but then questioning beyond that, and asking for proof and then just repeating the same question over and over [07:14] rww, I need your CV to answer that [07:14] I don't know / think he is trolling [07:14] I think he just expects the wrong things [07:14] bazhang: Why does nobody believe me when I say I have a B.S. in Channel Operation :( [07:16] because the B.S. is BS [08:08] * [KGB_plague] (~alsheeba@94.59.25.66): Abdulla Al Romaithi wonder if thats lsheeba [08:13] seems to be him, but odd that bt has zero listing of him [08:15] Jul 23 15:59:19 cant believe u mute me i come with nicks of alsheeba , KGB_plague , Alhubaishy + Crozar , and u muted a person who helped the community for years with those simple questions thats arised in the channe [12:36] a few crazy questions in there today... [12:40] "how can i make my own dns and get the list of all the websites of the world?" [12:40] Wins. [12:41] I thought removal of python was pretty interesting [12:46] jpds: that user is asking in a few other channels as well and still doesn't appear to have a clue :( [12:47] Pici: I think I have educated her in -server. [12:52] jpds: I see her saying nearly the same things in #dns still [12:52] (I joined there just to watch) [14:08] where is the op coc? [14:09] which one ? [14:09] I thought it was the same as the normal one [14:09] not http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct but something else that is [14:09] !canibeanop [14:09] If you are interested in joining the Ops team, take a look at both http://www.siltala.net/2010/03/24/ops-teams-applications-announcement/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements for info on the process and requirements. You can also learn about what the job entails from people in #ubuntu-irc. [14:09] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/leadership-conduct [14:09] that one ? [14:09] yes - thanks [14:10] PyCon organizers are looking for such text [14:10] it's not a bad version [14:11] what I was looking for "Leaders make difficult choices but are careful to act in the best interests of their communities." [14:12] I quite like the whole documents intent [14:13] intentions, pavements ];= [15:29] thats what I was thinking of, thank you Pici [15:30] ikonia: too slow [15:30] * ikonia shamed [15:31] ikonia: your turn ;) [15:31] ha [15:32] uh hi [15:32] am i in truble? [15:33] hello? [15:33] can u here me? [15:33] hello cjhard [15:33] thanks for joining [15:33] just so you're clear I've muted you in #ubuntu so you can't talk [15:33] yes we can see you speak in this channel [15:33] ok kool [15:33] y did u ban me if u dont mind me asking? [15:33] cjhard: you've been asked to join this channel so I can explain why you've been muted in #ubuntu [15:34] this way we can resolve the issue, get your mute removed and allow you to use the #ubuntu channel again [15:34] i installed gentoo nd i wood lyk 2 noe if ubun2 is easier [15:34] to use [15:34] do you understand ? [15:34] ok kool [15:34] ues [15:34] yes [15:34] cjhard: ok - the first issue, is how you talk [15:34] ??? [15:35] cjhard: we have a rule in the #ubuntu channel that you need to type / talk in clear English, that means no "U R using Gen2" [15:35] that sort of thing [15:35] wats rong with how i talk? [15:35] it allows people of all English abilities to best understand you [15:35] its clearly im speeking english [15:35] no - it's not [15:35] not lyk im speaking chinese lol [15:35] wat language do u think im speeking? [15:35] people have different levels of ability in speaking English due to the fact that #ubuntu is a global channel [15:36] ni hao [15:36] lol [15:36] to help this - we ask everyone to speak in clear English, no text or shortened speak [15:36] cjhard: do you understand that ? [15:36] dats reely dere problem if dey dont understand how da natives talk [15:36] dey shood get betta @ english [15:36] cjhard: ok - if you don't stop talking in this silly way with me, I'll stop discussing it in here and just ban you [15:37] cjhard: please start typing in clear English [15:37] cjhard: do you understand the "speak in clear English" rule for #ubuntu I've just explained to you [15:37] i dont think u shood discrimin8 on the way ppl speek [15:37] ok - good bye [15:37] just cos u dont lyk it [15:37] dats called tirrany [15:37] duh [15:38] cjhard: please leave this channel now [15:38] how wood u feel if ur goverment legislated good manners? [15:38] wood u think dis wud be a good thing? [15:38] no dis is a terrible thing ur doing [15:38] under da guise of "doing it 4 minorities" [15:39] cjhard: I've made the rule of the channel and the reasoning behind it quite clear, - you seem to want to ignore it, we are done. Please leave, now [15:39] !ops [15:39] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler! [15:39] ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu-ops () [15:39] u shood be ashamed of urself [15:39] you sicken me [15:39] what is ur country of origin? [15:39] i will go dere [15:39] and become a leader [15:39] and legislate good manners [15:40] cjhard: come back when you are in a better mood to discuss your issue [15:40] and jail ppl 4 not bowing 2 me in public [15:40] cleerly ikonia is in a bad mood [15:40] 2 b so rude 2 a guest [15:40] and abuse his powers [15:41] cjhard: no, your typing is horrible, please fix it [15:41] yeh clearly u dont liek how i type [15:41] well i dont lyk ur attitude [15:42] but if u came 2 a channe; [15:42] channel [15:42] dat i modded [15:42] i wouldn't mute u cos of ur attitude [15:42] sorry, but I really can't talk to you when you type like that [15:42] cos dats wrogn [15:42] yes u can [15:42] u noe exactly wat i'm saying [15:42] But you just choose to be a pompous ass [15:42] are you intentionally trying to make it more difficult for people to read your messages? [15:42] Because it makes you feel intellectually superior [15:43] * tsimpson wins [15:43] gents, thank you [17:21] derp is banned right? [17:21] in #u [17:22] dunno [17:22] BT is extremely slow on me, but I'm quite certain.. [17:25] this one I think 42019, and then 42021 [18:09] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (IdlePantload appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) [18:09] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (OpenWide appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) [19:01] tsimpson: remember the fix/hack? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/+bug/790908 [19:01] Ubuntu bug 790908 in Ubuntu IRC Bots "[bantracker] Request for review of ban while it's actually a @mark" [Undecided,Fix released] [19:03] oCean: if a mask doesn't have a '*' or a '?', it's considered a @mark [19:04] and it's definitely hack rather than fix [19:04] :) [19:04] that's why a mark for guest7218!*@* still results in a reminder [19:04] yep [19:04] tsimpson: i like the way you think [19:04] nvm that [19:05] marks are only really useful when the bot has the full mask anyway [19:06] (the bot is kind of smart about it, it'll check /whois and /whowas to find the mask) [19:06] the mask is in the actual comment :/ [19:06] I forgot why [19:06] unfortunately, searching the BT seems not to search comments [19:06] Yes, I noticed that too :( [19:07] it's all kinds of hack+broken-ness [19:07] Adding another field for "isMark" would be a good solution. [19:07] Pici: maybe BT2 has such a feature ;) [19:07] maybe [19:09] anyway, the next BT is being planned, and it'll be better [19:09] as it can't be any worse than the current one... [19:20] the current one exists, I consider that an important feature :P [19:21] * rww kids, writes even hackier perl to work around the things that annoy him about BT anyway === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang