| jrwren | trying to backport netatalk 2.2~beta4 to natty | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| jrwren | couldn't remember debuild commmand | 00:02 |
| jrwren | now its croaking on some C code that looks right to me :( | 00:02 |
| jrwren | so fuck it... i spent nearly 30min on it... I'll go back to work. | 00:02 |
| jrwren | i'm getting "error: array type has incomplete element type" from the C compiler, but I look at the ldapconfig header and the type that is there is complete and good and matches where it is used. | 00:03 |
| rick_h_ | hmm, no idea | 00:04 |
| jcastro | rick_h_: I am wary of those monoprice arms | 00:05 |
| jcastro | there's no way $20 arms can work | 00:05 |
| jcastro | jrwren: you know where to ask packaging questions! | 00:06 |
| jrwren | where? | 00:06 |
| jcastro | askubuntu! | 00:06 |
| jrwren | rofl. good call. | 00:06 |
| jcastro | come on, captain obvious | 00:06 |
| jrwren | well, in this case I'm stuck at a C question. | 00:06 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: yea, I've got a pair of hte $20 ones | 00:09 |
| rick_h_ | they're ok, but that's why I upgraded to the other ones I linked you | 00:09 |
| jcastro | rick_h_: right, that's what I figured | 00:09 |
| jcastro | hey do you know how much weight they'll hold? | 00:09 |
| jcastro | I wonder if it will hold Jill's eeetop | 00:09 |
| rick_h_ | says 18" | 00:09 |
| rick_h_ | 18lbs I mean | 00:09 |
| jrwren | confirmed. netatalk2.2beta4 source from sf does not build on natty :( i don't see how it builds on oneric, but I don't have an oneric to test on | 00:10 |
| jcastro | grab the source from oneiric | 00:12 |
| jcastro | and build on natty | 00:12 |
| jcastro | deb-src http://blah oneiric | 00:12 |
| jcastro | then apt-get source it | 00:12 |
| jcastro | then debuild it | 00:12 |
| jcastro | rick_h_: the eetop weighs 16 lbs according to the specs | 00:13 |
| jcastro | rick_h_: heh so basically I'm going to get 4 of these | 00:13 |
| jrwren | i tried that first :) | 00:13 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: cool | 00:13 |
| jrwren | i was just confirming that its not anything with the ubuntu deb patch. the straight sorce doesn't build either :( | 00:14 |
| rick_h_ | http://monitor1.redspider.co.nz:8888/static/ui_test.html | 00:40 |
| rick_h_ | crazy | 00:40 |
| snap-l | Blergh | 01:20 |
| greg-g | snap-l: how's things? JoDee doing OK? | 01:23 |
| snap-l | Yeah, she's fine | 01:29 |
| snap-l | Car is in the shop. And now we do the insurance / collision shop waiting dance | 01:29 |
| greg-g | You guys have only one car, right? | 01:32 |
| snap-l | Yep | 01:55 |
| snap-l | Though we're borrowing my parents car. | 01:55 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G | 02:14 |
| snap-l | I believe this is your worst nightmare. ;) | 02:14 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Trying not to be that guy. ;) | 03:02 |
| snap-l | (https://plus.google.com/116015965439782966698 for those playing at home) | 03:02 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: heh, not sure it's my worst nightmare | 11:30 |
| Wolfger | morning | 11:38 |
| snap-l | I really, really am not happy with my new boss | 11:39 |
| snap-l | Told her that my car was in the shop and didn't know when it would be done | 11:40 |
| snap-l | she says "That's OK, the day after is our backup day for this presentation" | 11:40 |
| snap-l | So my informal knowlede share is so fucking important that I need to make sure that I'm down there, regardless of whether I have a car or not | 11:41 |
| snap-l | And of course my "informal" knowledge share requires slides. | 11:42 |
| Wolfger | did you let her know that "I don't know when" mean "I don't know how many days" and not "I don't know what time today"? | 11:42 |
| snap-l | (which I should send in advance) | 11:42 |
| snap-l | Well, what's great is she's also (I'm sure) invited half the damn company | 11:43 |
| snap-l | most of which know what I do on an intimate basis. | 11:43 |
| Wolfger | and they need your knowledge share why? | 11:44 |
| snap-l | Fuck if I know | 11:45 |
| snap-l | I think it's to show that I exist or something. | 11:45 |
| snap-l | I have no fucking idea why if this is so important it couldn't be done via a telecommunications bridge | 11:46 |
| snap-l | since that seems to be one of the things that we sell (go figure) | 11:46 |
| Wolfger | Maybe they want to pin a medal on you. :-D | 11:46 |
| snap-l | I'm about to tell them where they can pin said medal | 11:49 |
| snap-l | http://openmetalcast.com/2011/07/26/open-metalcast-episode-26-last-train-to-crazyville/ | 11:51 |
| brousch | how're the wife and car? | 11:53 |
| snap-l | Wife is fine. Car is in the shop awaiting estimates and what-not | 11:55 |
| brousch | good good | 11:56 |
| greg-g | raise your hand if you feel like crap this morning | 12:23 |
| greg-g | o/ | 12:23 |
| brousch | a little tired. boy woke us up at 5:30 today | 12:26 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: with you there, but my bike is done so today is good stuff yay! | 12:29 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: so the wife is curious if you guys are taking your 6mo old with you hiking in the woods? | 12:29 |
| * rick_h_ got the invite card yesterday | 12:29 | |
| greg-g | rick_h_: for our 1 year anniversary/reception thingy? Something like that :) | 12:29 |
| rick_h_ | lol, ok | 12:30 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: so, confirmed with wife: yet to be determined | 12:39 |
| greg-g | (btw, saying "wife" to refer to Carrie is crazy) | 12:39 |
| rick_h_ | yea, you get used to it :) | 12:39 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: ok, it was funny. We keep saying we want to take michael, but at 18mo we're still holding out a ways | 12:40 |
| snap-l | I just refer to JoDee as "Her Royal Highness" | 12:40 |
| snap-l | (Actually, that's what we refer to JoDee's younger sister as: HRH) | 12:40 |
| greg-g | hah | 12:41 |
| greg-g | i think we should use that for my sis | 12:41 |
| snap-l | Composing in my head the "I'm quite offended by your statement that I could just do my presentation the next day" mail to my boss. | 12:47 |
| ColonelPanic001 | heh | 12:59 |
| ColonelPanic001 | that sounds rather annoying. | 12:59 |
| * ColonelPanic001 comes to the rescue to point out the obvious | 12:59 | |
| brousch | oooooo, my first home delivery of fresh, organic veg will arrive this afternoon | 13:05 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: awesome | 13:06 |
| brousch | http://www.doorganicsgr.com/local-bin-weekly-update | 13:09 |
| brousch | hm, i don't even know what chard and fennel are | 13:09 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 13:10 |
| rick_h_ | chard is like large lettuce | 13:10 |
| rick_h_ | fennel is another leafy thing, more fine | 13:10 |
| brousch | cool, i can use fennel to make absinthe | 13:12 |
| Wolfger | brousch: fennel seeds often appear as a spice, and are used in many italian sausages. | 13:16 |
| ColonelPanic001 | chard sounds like an insult | 13:16 |
| ColonelPanic001 | "you stupid chard" | 13:16 |
| Wolfger | ColonelPanic001++ | 13:16 |
| ColonelPanic001 | You're upvoting me? What a chard. | 13:16 |
| Wolfger | Fennel you | 13:17 |
| ColonelPanic001 | :\ | 13:19 |
| jcastro | rick_h_: lol, I ordered 4 of those arms and an Aeron | 13:19 |
| rick_h_ | wow nice | 13:19 |
| rick_h_ | hope they work out for you | 13:19 |
| greg-g | brousch: yay fresh veg (and I love that you say veg, it sounds British to me) | 13:30 |
| greg-g | also chard is great, saute that stuff with olive oil and mmmmmm, good | 13:31 |
| jjesse | 1morning | 13:34 |
| _stink_ | "chard" just sounds too much like "shart". | 13:35 |
| gamerchick02 | ha, _stink_ | 13:35 |
| gamerchick02 | pinging greg-g; did you want me to send the list of events to the ubuntu-mi list or to you? | 13:36 |
| brousch | so use chard like spinach? | 13:38 |
| jjesse | yes | 13:38 |
| _stink_ | go easy on the fennel until you're sure you like it. | 13:40 |
| brousch | i like anise | 13:40 |
| brousch | wife does not | 13:41 |
| jjesse | i think we are growing chard this year in our garden | 13:41 |
| _stink_ | jjesse has his garden spring up magically. | 13:41 |
| brousch | jjesse: i signed up for this http://www.doorganicsgr.com/local-bin-weekly-update | 13:41 |
| jjesse | not really this maybe the 1st year we actually don't kill all the plants | 13:41 |
| _stink_ | hehe | 13:41 |
| jjesse | brousch cool do you like it? | 13:42 |
| _stink_ | i've got big plans for a veggie garden next year. | 13:42 |
| brousch | i don't know. first delivery is today | 13:42 |
| jjesse | i was supposed to plow over the weeds in the back area of the yard but never go t to it for the garden | 13:42 |
| jjesse | so this year everything is in pots | 13:42 |
| brousch | my wife has 8 pots of tomatoes in the front yard, 1 of cucumbers, 1 of jalapenos | 13:43 |
| gamerchick02 | wow, brousch. | 13:45 |
| gamerchick02 | that's a lot of tomatoes | 13:45 |
| gamerchick02 | we only have 3 plants this year. | 13:46 |
| brousch | yeah, i don't even like them! | 13:46 |
| gamerchick02 | i like the home-grown ones | 13:46 |
| brousch | i'll eat romas as long as they are cut up tiny | 13:46 |
| gamerchick02 | grill them with salt and pepper and put melted mozz cheese on them. effing divine. | 13:46 |
| gamerchick02 | especially the heirloom ones. | 13:47 |
| _stink_ | i think there's some law that anyone who grows anything must grow tomatoes | 13:48 |
| _stink_ | but i intend to ignore that law at great risk | 13:48 |
| gamerchick02 | and cucumbers or zucchini | 13:48 |
| brousch | well my wife grows them because they're only thing she doesn't kill | 13:48 |
| gamerchick02 | lol, brousch | 13:48 |
| gamerchick02 | we do peppers a lot | 13:48 |
| gamerchick02 | they're easy. | 13:48 |
| _stink_ | i can get behind peppers, yeah | 13:48 |
| _stink_ | but god zucchini no way | 13:49 |
| _stink_ | and let me say that i have tried to prepare zucchini 100 different ways | 13:49 |
| _stink_ | and they are all terrible | 13:49 |
| gamerchick02 | is greg-g around? i've got his list from the last meeting (yeah, finally got around to it, i'm horrible) | 13:49 |
| gamerchick02 | i like cucumbers. cut up with salt and pepper = happy me | 13:49 |
| _stink_ | yeah cucumbers++ | 13:49 |
| gamerchick02 | i can eat a whole one for a snack. | 13:49 |
| gamerchick02 | hah | 13:49 |
| gamerchick02 | or lunch. | 13:49 |
| brousch | zuchinni get chopped and grilled in a basket with squash | 13:50 |
| brousch | olive oil, salt, pepper | 13:50 |
| jjesse | mmmm | 13:50 |
| _stink_ | i would eat the squash and throw the zucchini out the window angrily like a child. | 13:50 |
| Wolfger | OK, it's Python learning time | 13:51 |
| Wolfger | why would "import wx" be failing inside a script when it succeeds from the Python prompt | 13:52 |
| Wolfger | ? | 13:52 |
| rick_h_ | Wolfger: because the script has a diff python path? | 13:52 |
| rick_h_ | check the #! | 13:52 |
| Wolfger | I thought the #! was not needed on Windows system | 13:53 |
| rick_h_ | oh, well hell if it's windows then I know nothing | 13:53 |
| Wolfger | :-p | 13:53 |
| Wolfger | Traceback (most recent call last): | 13:54 |
| Wolfger | File "wx.py", line 1, in <module> | 13:54 |
| Wolfger | import wx | 13:54 |
| Wolfger | File "C:\Documents and Settings\t9511mf\MyRealDocuments\pystuff\wx.py", line 2 | 13:54 |
| Wolfger | , in <module> | 13:54 |
| Wolfger | app = wx.App() | 13:54 |
| Wolfger | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'App' | 13:54 |
| rick_h_ | ouch, pastebin pls | 13:54 |
| Wolfger | ugh. Sorry. Did not realize it would come out as many lines :-p | 13:54 |
| rick_h_ | lol, did you name your file wx? | 13:54 |
| Wolfger | yes | 13:54 |
| Wolfger | uh | 13:55 |
| Wolfger | oh | 13:55 |
| rick_h_ | don't steal the name of the package you're using | 13:55 |
| Wolfger | LOL | 13:55 |
| rick_h_ | get creative and make up your own :) | 13:55 |
| Wolfger | still getting same error, but yeah I should not have named it that :-) | 13:56 |
| rick_h_ | rm the .pyc file if it's there | 13:57 |
| snap-l | O'reilly Deal of the Day is on Java books | 13:58 |
| snap-l | 50% off | 13:58 |
| brousch | you may have to do some path crap in windows | 13:58 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Time to update that library of yours. | 13:58 |
| rick_h_ | yea, lots of path crap, like getting a unix path | 13:58 |
| brousch | add various things to your system path | 13:59 |
| snap-l | Windows paths are far worse than UNIX paths, IMHO | 13:59 |
| Wolfger | Does anybody feel otherwise? | 14:00 |
| brousch | i know you have to add the python path | 14:01 |
| Wolfger | python path is there and working. I've run other python scripts | 14:01 |
| Wolfger | wxPython is a new install, and I'm failing on that import it seems | 14:01 |
| Wolfger | but only from the script | 14:01 |
| Wolfger | funkiness | 14:04 |
| Wolfger | I removed everything from the script except for the import statement on line 1, and the error is still complaining about line 2 | 14:04 |
| Wolfger | line 2 no longer exists | 14:05 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: If it's any consolation, I had a hell of a time trying to get wxpython working under Windows | 14:06 |
| snap-l | There's some scripts in there that I believe set up the correct paths | 14:06 |
| snap-l | Unfortunately I didn't pursue it much further | 14:07 |
| brousch | Wolfger: reboot ;) | 14:07 |
| gamerchick02 | that's the official fix for anything windows, right? :-P | 14:11 |
| snap-l | "I can't move the mouse because someone glued it to the desk" - Reboot. | 14:13 |
| brousch | well when the path changes on windows, you have to reboot to make it active | 14:17 |
| gamerchick02 | snap-l it's always amusing when I shut my mouse off. | 14:19 |
| gamerchick02 | i'll jiggle it and wait and it won't move anything. then i check to see if the dongle thingy is plugged in. THEN i check to see if it's on. | 14:20 |
| jrwren | pygtk > wx | 14:26 |
| snap-l | jrwren: How do you figure? | 14:27 |
| jrwren | i'm just stirring the pot | 14:27 |
| brousch | now that pygtk has an all-in-one windows installer, it's much less painful | 14:27 |
| Wolfger | durr.... | 14:33 |
| Wolfger | I renamed my script by way of "save as", which means..... the wx.py I previously created was still there and interfering with my import | 14:33 |
| Wolfger | PEBKAC all the way | 14:34 |
| brousch | n00b | 14:34 |
| brousch | i was actually going to ask if you did that, but i assumed you were too smart ;) | 14:34 |
| Wolfger | :-p | 14:36 |
| Wolfger | smart enough to figure it out eventually... just having a "slow" day | 14:36 |
| Wolfger | I still can't believe I named my script after the module in the first place. | 14:37 |
| * Wolfger is feeling exceptionally lame today | 14:37 | |
| brousch | luckily your current bout of lameness is offset by the injection of awesome you get from learning python | 14:38 |
| Wolfger | Heh | 14:41 |
| Wolfger | Wife is heading for Borders today, for 40% off. Told her to check the prices on a couple Python books for me. | 14:41 |
| Wolfger | But... | 14:41 |
| Wolfger | Amazon is already > 40% off the publisher price of those books | 14:41 |
| Wolfger | so may wind up going Amazon again, anyhow. | 14:42 |
| Wolfger | jjesse: :-p | 14:44 |
| Wolfger | (re: G+) | 14:44 |
| brousch | go used if you must go dead tree | 14:45 |
| jrwren | but like we said yesterday, make sure you get the latest edition of used. | 14:45 |
| jjesse | Wolfger your welcome | 14:45 |
| gamerchick02 | headed up to Bay City. See everyone when I get back! :) | 14:48 |
| snap-l | I think it's not 40% yet | 14:52 |
| snap-l | only "up to 40%" | 14:52 |
| snap-l | which means the magazines are 40%, and the rest of the store is between 10%-20% | 14:52 |
| brousch | Wolfger: i have 1 or 2 wxpython books if you're interested | 14:57 |
| Wolfger | brousch: maybe... I'm not sold on wx yet, just experimenting. | 15:00 |
| Wolfger | got to say it looks promising so far, though | 15:00 |
| brousch | it's been arund a long time and is actively kept up to date | 15:01 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it's a nice toolkit | 15:14 |
| jrwren | what is wx layout like v. gtk? more HBox VBox stuff? | 15:18 |
| brousch | jrwren: http://wiki.wxpython.org/UsingSizers | 15:19 |
| brousch | pretty much | 15:19 |
| jrwren | wtf is this? http://xpt.sourceforge.net/ | 15:19 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: it's called a website | 15:20 |
| rick_h_ | people post info to them on occassion | 15:20 |
| rick_h_ | usually not useful, but occassionally so | 15:20 |
| jrwren | its just a strange site for sourceforge. what is the project there? | 15:22 |
| rick_h_ | some guy getting free hosting | 15:22 |
| snap-l | Looks like the project is Unix Power Tools | 15:25 |
| snap-l | https://sourceforge.net/projects/xpt/develop | 15:25 |
| rick_h_ | ah, the book? | 15:25 |
| snap-l | Not sure | 15:25 |
| greg-g | gamerchick02: hi! | 15:30 |
| greg-g | oh, you're gone :/ | 15:30 |
| greg-g | hmm, gamerchick02 didn't leave her list anywhere, did she? (/me doesn't see an email or PM) | 15:31 |
| snap-l | I've just released the 0.2 version of FAPWS2 (Fast Asynchronous Python WebServer) which is WSGI compliant. | 15:47 |
| snap-l | Sorry, was FAPPNG taken? Fast Asynchronous Python Pusher Next Generation? | 15:47 |
| rick_h_ | meh, sounds already out of date | 16:05 |
| rick_h_ | http://pypi.python.org/pypi/fapws3/0.9.dev | 16:05 |
| greg-g | snap-l: we love you and are here to help. (re: your latest dent) | 16:52 |
| Wolfger | dent? | 16:55 |
| greg-g | Wolfger: identi.ca notice | 16:59 |
| greg-g | https://identi.ca/notice/79740938 | 17:00 |
| _stink_ | snap-l: just to clarify, since greg-g said 'we': I love you, but I'm not *in love* with you. | 17:01 |
| greg-g | :) | 17:01 |
| snap-l | http://www.erasmatazz.com/TheLibrary/GameDesign/DesignDiaryBotP/July22/July22.html | 17:07 |
| snap-l | Thank you. :) | 17:07 |
| Wolfger | greg-g: Ah, yes. I forgot Identica tweets were called dents. I was going to say, "The way I heard it, the side of the car isn't there anymore... That's more than a dent." | 17:18 |
| gamerchick02 | greg-g, i left around 11:30 for lunch, just got back | 17:21 |
| brousch | snap-l: And I love you slightly less than _stink_ so I can be sure there's someone more willing than I to give you a hug | 17:21 |
| gamerchick02 | i have my list written down the old fashioned way. | 17:21 |
| brousch | snap-l: who all is going to pyohio from the east side, besides you and rick_h_? | 17:25 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: just us that I know of | 17:29 |
| brousch | 100 awesome python devs over there and only 2 of you are going? | 17:29 |
| brousch | i suppose some are lured by the makerfaire | 17:30 |
| rick_h_ | yea, some | 17:30 |
| rick_h_ | but really not a ton of python devs over here that I know of | 17:30 |
| rick_h_ | py-curious | 17:30 |
| Wolfger | <groan> | 17:30 |
| brousch | that is my new favorite word | 17:31 |
| brousch | i have met a lot of py-curious people | 17:31 |
| rick_h_ | same here | 17:31 |
| _stink_ | i'd love to go, but i suck at commiting to a trip | 17:32 |
| _stink_ | work is talking about sending me to San Fran | 17:32 |
| rick_h_ | suck | 17:32 |
| rick_h_ | ah, fun there | 17:32 |
| _stink_ | and i tell them 'eh, maybe.' | 17:32 |
| greg-g | gamerchick02: ahh, could you type it up in an email, perchance? greg@grossmeier.net | 17:34 |
| gamerchick02 | yeah, no problems. i didn't have your email somehow. whoops. | 17:34 |
| greg-g | no worries :) | 17:34 |
| gamerchick02 | i only went back to the beginning of the year. | 17:34 |
| gamerchick02 | is that ok? | 17:34 |
| greg-g | gamerchick02: yeah, that's ok | 17:40 |
| gamerchick02 | cool | 17:40 |
| Wolfger | rick_h_: Sounds like a Penguicon panel... Stop Being Py-curious and Just Go Py! | 17:43 |
| Dekkard | Yardage yadda | 17:51 |
| gamerchick02 | just did the ballsiest thing ever. | 17:51 |
| gamerchick02 | contacted the HR person DIRECT at Nexteer | 17:51 |
| Dekkard | Yeah... | 17:51 |
| Dekkard | And.. | 17:52 |
| gamerchick02 | normally i don't have this type of confidence, but i usually fail at everything so i have nothing to lose | 17:52 |
| gamerchick02 | they'll probably ignore me. | 17:52 |
| Dekkard | What happened? | 17:53 |
| gamerchick02 | when ya got nothing, it don't fucking matter no more | 17:53 |
| gamerchick02 | i just sent the email | 17:53 |
| gamerchick02 | it'll prolly be round-binned | 17:53 |
| gamerchick02 | i mean, i applied for this position fucking two fucking years ago | 17:53 |
| gamerchick02 | TWO YEARS | 17:53 |
| gamerchick02 | it's still open and i hear nothing | 17:53 |
| Dekkard | Yea but nothing ventured | 17:53 |
| gamerchick02 | it's what i was doing when i was a prostitute and they were my John | 17:54 |
| Dekkard | Haaaaha | 17:54 |
| gamerchick02 | ie, contractor | 17:54 |
| gamerchick02 | it's exactly like being a prostitute. sorry. | 17:54 |
| Dekkard | S'okay | 17:54 |
| Dekkard | Last place o | 17:54 |
| gamerchick02 | except i'm not dealing with pregnancy, potential disease and having objects shoved up my arse | 17:55 |
| Dekkard | Iowa's at they had tons of h1b people | 17:55 |
| gamerchick02 | oh yeah, i know | 17:55 |
| gamerchick02 | they hire fucking h1b's instead of real engineers | 17:55 |
| gamerchick02 | that's how i got fucked out of my last opportunity | 17:56 |
| gamerchick02 | they went with a goddamned foreigner. | 17:56 |
| Dekkard | Yes USA..this is rank | 17:56 |
| ptenhoopen | gamerchick02: Too bad you didn't have a contact to the hiring manager to bypass HR. | 17:56 |
| gamerchick02 | hah. i'm not THAT good | 17:56 |
| ptenhoopen | HR usually holds things up | 17:56 |
| Dekkard | Ducking auto correct | 17:57 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm not fucking anyone over at nexteer so i prolly won't get in | 17:57 |
| Dekkard | Hehe | 17:57 |
| gamerchick02 | now, i wouldn't mind fucking someone over there. not hard. i'd do anything to get a job at this point, including the objects in my arse thing. | 17:57 |
| Dekkard | What. City you in? | 17:58 |
| gamerchick02 | i mean, it's angering when you're fucking perfect for a job, you go through their goddamned hoops, and they don't call you back | 17:58 |
| gamerchick02 | the Nasty (aka Saginaw) | 17:58 |
| gamerchick02 | there's no jobs here unless you're medical and willing to work with sick people, or are fucking someone at Nexteer | 17:58 |
| Dekkard | OK. | 17:58 |
| gamerchick02 | oh, and retail, but i'd rather suck dicks than do that again | 17:59 |
| Dekkard | And the problem is | 17:59 |
| gamerchick02 | also, willing to relocate | 17:59 |
| gamerchick02 | can't relocate without job. | 17:59 |
| gamerchick02 | not willing to relocate without job | 17:59 |
| Dekkard | Send a resume to El polk | 17:59 |
| rick_h_ | ok, now for the record...if that stuff about arse and d@#$ came out of one of our mouths, we'd be creating a hostile irc channel and CoC would come crashing upon us :/ | 18:00 |
| Dekkard | Rl polk | 18:00 |
| gamerchick02 | sorry, rick_h_ | 18:00 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm grumpy today | 18:00 |
| rick_h_ | no, I mean I don't find it offensive and all...understand the frustration. :( | 18:01 |
| ColonelPanic001 | CoC? | 18:01 |
| gamerchick02 | code of conduct | 18:01 |
| rick_h_ | Code of Conduct, that thing we usually ignore :P | 18:01 |
| ColonelPanic001 | oh | 18:01 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I'm not a fan of an... nah, never mind. That would be against the CoC, too :) | 18:01 |
| jjesse | there is a code of conduct in this channel? | 18:01 |
| gamerchick02 | well, it's fine, but i feel like i'm with friends here. if i was in bugs or classroom or meeting i wouldn't be so vulgar. | 18:01 |
| ColonelPanic001 | "try not to kill anyone" | 18:01 |
| rick_h_ | gamerchick02: naw, I understand. It's me being whiny about how the internets get all aflame for what I wouldn't always get uppity about | 18:02 |
| gamerchick02 | lol ColonelPanic001 | 18:02 |
| ColonelPanic001 | heh, I don't think anyone's going to come after you ;) | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | gamerchick02: you can come be my boss, guess they're looking for a mamanger to free up my manager | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | I guess | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | /mamager/manager really...honest typo | 18:03 |
| gamerchick02 | i don't really want to manage. i want to make cool shit. | 18:03 |
| ColonelPanic001 | artic outhouse technition | 18:03 |
| gamerchick02 | that's why i got an engineering degree. if i had known it'd be this goddamned hard to get a job, i would have gone with art. | 18:03 |
| ColonelPanic001 | then come fix my typing | 18:03 |
| gamerchick02 | at least i could get a job in a design house | 18:03 |
| ColonelPanic001 | the artists I know also don't have a job, they just don't expect to | 18:04 |
| ColonelPanic001 | heh | 18:04 |
| brousch | rick_h_: did you just CoC-slap gamerchick02? | 18:04 |
| ColonelPanic001 | bahaha | 18:04 |
| gamerchick02 | LOL, brousch | 18:05 |
| ColonelPanic001 | someone please print that and frame it | 18:05 |
| ColonelPanic001 | that took me a second | 18:05 |
| gamerchick02 | i got it right away. | 18:05 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm horrible. | 18:05 |
| ColonelPanic001 | no comment' | 18:05 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm going to hell for that | 18:05 |
| brousch | oh man, be rick_h_'s boss. that's gotta be tough | 18:05 |
| gamerchick02 | rick_h_ what are the qualifications for this manager? i'd probably be horrible at it, but eh, whatever... | 18:06 |
| ColonelPanic001 | "Rick, we've been getting complaints across town that they can hear your keyboard..." | 18:06 |
| gamerchick02 | LOL, colonelpanic001 | 18:06 |
| ColonelPanic001 | "RICK PUT DOWN THE KNIFE" | 18:06 |
| brousch | rick, you're far too efficient and making everyone else look bad. from now on you must use visual studio and type with only 6 fingers | 18:06 |
| ColonelPanic001 | on a $10 kmart keyboard | 18:07 |
| ColonelPanic001 | rick hasn't written code in 4 years. He just has vim macros recorded that do it for him | 18:08 |
| gamerchick02 | you guys know how to make me smile, that's for sure. | 18:08 |
| ColonelPanic001 | \o/ | 18:08 |
| gamerchick02 | "ubuntu-us-mi, come for gamerchick02's rants, stay for the lulz" | 18:08 |
| brousch | gamerchick02: what kind of engineer are you? | 18:09 |
| gamerchick02 | mechanical/product/plastics | 18:09 |
| brousch | gentex is hiring over on the more pleasant side of the state | 18:09 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm willing to get dirty (actually dirty, please disregard my earlier bits about sexual innuendo) | 18:10 |
| gamerchick02 | gentex? pay well? | 18:10 |
| brousch | i haven't a clue | 18:10 |
| gamerchick02 | it's only 3 hours away from sag. i need to be in about that radius til march 2013 (i want to fulfil my JPQ year in NIle) | 18:10 |
| brousch | your what in who? | 18:11 |
| gamerchick02 | Jr. Past Queen. Nile's line is 5 years | 18:12 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm Queen now | 18:12 |
| gamerchick02 | http://daughtersofthenile.com | 18:12 |
| brousch | ping mattmichielsen | 18:15 |
| ColonelPanic001 | gamerchick02 is Egyptian Royalty | 18:17 |
| brousch | gamerchick02: aparently grand rapids has a nile temple | 18:18 |
| gamerchick02 | they did. they closed before we went to Indianapolis last year. | 18:20 |
| gamerchick02 | colonelpanic001: not really; it's a lot of work. | 18:20 |
| brousch | hm, it's still on the web site | 18:21 |
| ColonelPanic001 | nothing worth doing requires work. | 18:21 |
| gamerchick02 | yeah, the website team isn't exactly speedy. :-/ | 18:22 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, this manager thing sounds like a mess. Guess my boss is actually a VP and they want him to start VP'ing more | 18:23 |
| gamerchick02 | how do you VP more? | 18:23 |
| brousch | by doing less real work | 18:26 |
| brousch | and by knowing less about what your peons are doing | 18:26 |
| ColonelPanic001 | SIGN ME UP | 18:26 |
| gamerchick02 | damn | 18:26 |
| brousch | rick_h_: snap-l should apply to be your boss. imagine how much less stress you'd have | 18:27 |
| brousch | JUST DO WHAT RICK SAYS | 18:27 |
| ColonelPanic001 | heh | 18:28 |
| gamerchick02 | LOL | 18:28 |
| gamerchick02 | i assume you need to know something to be a boss. i know nothing of what rick_h_ does, so i wouldn't be able to manage him | 18:28 |
| ColonelPanic001 | that's only if you want to be effective | 18:28 |
| gamerchick02 | yes i want to be effective | 18:29 |
| ColonelPanic001 | there's no reason to stand out like that | 18:29 |
| jrwren | recall the "TEST ALL THE FUCKING TIME" presentation? rick_h_ does one called "PYTHON ALL THE FUCKING TIME" | 18:35 |
| jrwren | http://confreaks.net/videos/496-rubyhoedown2008-lightning-talk-tatft-test-all-the-f-in-time?player=html5 | 18:36 |
| Dekkard | I'm a boss | 18:37 |
| gamerchick02 | you're a boss, Dekkard? what do you boss around? | 18:37 |
| Dekkard | I dontknow much | 18:37 |
| Dekkard | Monkees in a kitchen | 18:38 |
| Dekkard | Bbl | 18:39 |
| gamerchick02 | i was gonna say, if you need to boss an mechanical engineer around, i'll be bossed around for pay. | 18:39 |
| gamerchick02 | ok | 18:39 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: hah, love it | 18:39 |
| rick_h_ | gamerchick02: I don't know how you 'VP' more | 18:39 |
| rick_h_ | I'm going to have nightmares now of someone wanting to come and be my boss that doesn't know crap :/ | 18:40 |
| gamerchick02 | i know stuff, just not the stuff i need to know to be your boss. | 18:40 |
| rick_h_ | heh, I'm not sure what that is either lol | 18:40 |
| rick_h_ | http://momjian.us/main/blogs/pgblog/2011.html#July_26_2011 | 18:42 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 18:42 |
| Blazeix | gamerchick02: that doesn't stop snap-l's new boss | 18:42 |
| gamerchick02 | wow. | 18:42 |
| gamerchick02 | so is he a pointy-haired one? | 18:42 |
| rick_h_ | *sigh* someone send me here pls: http://py.codeconf.com/ | 18:43 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: how far are you from miami? | 18:43 |
| binbrain | rick_h_: $500 for a 2 dayer, I think they're trying to keep out the riff raff | 18:47 |
| rick_h_ | binbrain: yea, I know | 18:47 |
| rick_h_ | which makes me want to go more! | 18:47 |
| Blazeix | rick_h_ is falling to what we call the "apple effect" | 18:47 |
| rick_h_ | but but but... | 18:48 |
| rick_h_ | all the cool kids are going to be there | 18:49 |
| rick_h_ | man, $500 for the conference, $180/night for the hotel | 18:50 |
| rick_h_ | costing more than pycon at this point | 18:50 |
| brousch | mitsuhiko 2:29pm via Twitter for Mac: I will be at @PyCodeConf. Some speakers were just announced:http://t.co/x28oIvL | 18:52 |
| Milyardo | $500? What are they giving you that cost $500? | 18:52 |
| Milyardo | Will there be python powered robot death matches or something? | 18:52 |
| rick_h_ | one can only hope! | 18:53 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: waldo323_ is mug a 501c3? | 18:56 |
| rick_h_ | I know they were checking into it at one point | 18:57 |
| waldo323_ | not at this point | 18:57 |
| Blazeix | last I heard it wasn't | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | bah, ok | 18:57 |
| Milyardo | Pythonmorphism versus The Egg Breaker live @ PyCodeConf! | 18:57 |
| Milyardo | sounds awesome | 18:57 |
| waldo323_ | i haven't read up yet are you checking to see if you're a member of a 501c3? | 18:58 |
| rick_h_ | waldo323_: is mug a 501c3 non profit ? | 18:58 |
| rick_h_ | sounds like not likely | 18:58 |
| waldo323_ | mug isn't 501c3 | 18:59 |
| rick_h_ | well booo, there went that idea | 18:59 |
| rick_h_ | work is doing a program to encourage people to do some charity work. | 19:00 |
| waldo323_ | ah, what is linux foundation? | 19:00 |
| rick_h_ | 8hrs of PTO and $300 for the charity if you can get 3 staff or more to go to an event and take pictures | 19:00 |
| waldo323_ | ah, what about i3detroit? | 19:00 |
| rick_h_ | not sure I can get 2 other staff there | 19:00 |
| waldo323_ | they were closer to getting the 501c3 status than we were | 19:01 |
| rick_h_ | yea, doesn't look like it. They've got a 'help wanted' for legal service to help setup the 501c3 | 19:02 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.humblebundle.com/#3 | 19:03 |
| rick_h_ | get your game on everyone | 19:03 |
| gamerchick02 | http://gamerchick02.tumblr.com/post/8093050878/my-top-5-artists-week-ending-2011-7-24 my top artists are beautiful | 19:06 |
| snap-l | gamerchick02: My new boss is a she | 19:06 |
| snap-l | and she's a micromanaging project manager type | 19:06 |
| gamerchick02 | no. i do not need more games. >_< YOU ARE NOT HELPING, rick_h_ | 19:06 |
| gamerchick02 | ick, sorry, snap-l | 19:06 |
| snap-l | drives me absolutely bat-shut insane | 19:06 |
| gamerchick02 | bat shut? | 19:07 |
| snap-l | Bat Shit | 19:07 |
| snap-l | I can't type | 19:07 |
| gamerchick02 | anyway, i'm sorry about that. not all women are micromanagers | 19:07 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm afraid i would be one; that's why i never want to manage other | 19:07 |
| gamerchick02 | others, rather | 19:07 |
| snap-l | Oh I know. I've had great bosses, both male and female | 19:07 |
| snap-l | and I have had some that I want to kick to the curb | 19:07 |
| gamerchick02 | yeah, same here | 19:08 |
| snap-l | I don't deal well with people who feel it necessary to show that they're doing something | 19:08 |
| snap-l | the work speaks for itself. | 19:08 |
| gamerchick02 | re humble indie bundle, i love the proportion that pays the most. | 19:08 |
| gamerchick02 | yeah, the work speaks for itself but sometimes some people are happier that they have checkins | 19:08 |
| gamerchick02 | and it works for me too, because then i get feedback on what exactly they want me to do | 19:09 |
| snap-l | Checkins are fine | 19:09 |
| gamerchick02 | the only thing worse than someone who hovers over your shoulder is someone who's vague as hell about what they want. | 19:09 |
| ColonelPanic001 | now that I think of it, I don't know that I've ever had a female supervisor since I worked retail | 19:09 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I guess I haven't, really | 19:09 |
| gamerchick02 | i had a female supervisor at Dow Auto. she didn't want me to go into engineering, just stay as a tech | 19:10 |
| gamerchick02 | one of the reasons i'm fucked now | 19:10 |
| snap-l | The thing that's driving me the most nuts is I'm supposed to be doing a knowledge transfer next week in IL | 19:10 |
| ColonelPanic001 | mind meld? | 19:10 |
| gamerchick02 | but also, i didn't have the (proverbial) balls to tell her to fuck off and to let me do what i want. | 19:10 |
| gamerchick02 | proverbially. | 19:11 |
| snap-l | Which would be fine and good, save for a) some people already know what I know, and b) she's invited half the fucking company, who couldn't care less. | 19:11 |
| gamerchick02 | ick | 19:11 |
| gamerchick02 | that's annoying when there are too many people involved. | 19:11 |
| snap-l | It's informal, but she wants slides | 19:11 |
| snap-l | I'm half tempted to let my sarcastic side go nuts, but I really can't be fucked to care. | 19:11 |
| ColonelPanic001 | make one slide, just with your name | 19:12 |
| snap-l | Or several slides that just happen to be my resume. | 19:12 |
| ColonelPanic001 | yes | 19:13 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ending with "please help" | 19:13 |
| ColonelPanic001 | "feel free to email this slideshow around" | 19:13 |
| gamerchick02 | lol | 19:13 |
| jjesse | some lady named julie jesse just forwarded her work travel information from her work account to her personal gmail account, except she had my email address | 19:16 |
| jjesse | so now i know exactly where she is traveling etc | 19:16 |
| rick_h_ | oops | 19:16 |
| rick_h_ | stalker enabling isn't good | 19:16 |
| gamerchick02 | oh, my god, is this ever good. | 19:17 |
| gamerchick02 | Woodchuck's 802 | 19:17 |
| jjesse | including the hotel she's staying | 19:20 |
| jjesse | now i can really stalk her | 19:20 |
| gamerchick02 | oooh. | 19:25 |
| gamerchick02 | i've sent replies to people who've sent me private information... "I think you have the wrong email address." | 19:25 |
| gamerchick02 | sometimes I get embarrassed replies | 19:26 |
| ColonelPanic001 | gamerchick02: Woodchuck's 802? | 19:28 |
| gamerchick02 | yes. hard cider | 19:29 |
| gamerchick02 | got it in a variety pack at meijer. good stuff | 19:29 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I've had their "regular" and Granny Smith, never heard of 802 | 19:33 |
| gamerchick02 | it's in the variety box. sooooooooooo good | 19:36 |
| gamerchick02 | irony is when you go out but the places you went aren't on foursquare. | 19:39 |
| gamerchick02 | oh, i'm gamerchick02 on foursquare if anyone wants to play the location game with me. | 19:39 |
| gamerchick02 | have you guys seen The Brads today? http://bradcolbow.com/archive/view/the_brads_this_is_why_your_newspaper_is_dying/#When:09:36:49Z | 19:46 |
| gamerchick02 | +1 to all of that. | 19:46 |
| ColonelPanic001 | >_> | 19:47 |
| ColonelPanic001 | never heard of the brads | 19:47 |
| gamerchick02 | it's a webcomic | 19:52 |
| gamerchick02 | i thought i found it in here. | 19:53 |
| gamerchick02 | maybe snap-l sent it. i can't remember | 19:53 |
| brousch | web comic? probably snap-l | 19:53 |
| gamerchick02 | probably | 19:54 |
| gamerchick02 | it was when the drm one came out, i thik | 19:54 |
| snap-l | I love how a large company can have so much useless documentation. | 20:19 |
| gamerchick02 | most large companies have useless docs | 20:20 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I seem to have the opposite problem, often. | 20:24 |
| snap-l | Too many good docs? | 20:24 |
| gamerchick02 | not enough documentation? | 20:24 |
| Milyardo | Useless as in its relevence has been lost, or useless as in its never been relevent to begin with? | 20:24 |
| snap-l | Useless as in the install instructions assume you have a copy of it already. | 20:25 |
| gamerchick02 | what? | 20:26 |
| gamerchick02 | that's dumb | 20:26 |
| snap-l | Yep | 20:26 |
| gamerchick02 | but then again, i'm a dumb mechanical engineer, what do i know? | 20:26 |
| snap-l | I think I'm going to just mine bitcoins | 20:26 |
| gamerchick02 | maybe i should do that for income. | 20:26 |
| Milyardo | "You should contact your System Administrator concerning the installation of this application." I am the SysAdmin! D: What do? | 20:27 |
| gamerchick02 | LOL | 20:27 |
| gamerchick02 | contact God. he would know. | 20:27 |
| gamerchick02 | god is your sysadmin? :-P | 20:28 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I love it when Windows says that. | 20:29 |
| brousch | Milyardo: you go get trained on how to install the software for $2000/day | 20:29 |
| Milyardo | $2000/day? Why don't I get paid that much for developing said software? | 20:30 |
| gamerchick02 | because you just develop and aren't a "manager" | 20:30 |
| gamerchick02 | ie, you DO something. | 20:30 |
| Milyardo | So I thought I was demoing an application in development at 2 today. It's 4:40 and I haven't seen another person in the office since 11. | 20:37 |
| snap-l | Milyardo: How's the demo going? :) | 20:38 |
| Milyardo | It would have been awesome two hours ago, now I busy refactoring stubbed out methods | 20:39 |
| Milyardo | should be another hour or so before it even compiles again | 20:39 |
| snap-l | http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/95920/what-is-each-time-through-a-loop-called <- Headdesk | 20:40 |
| Milyardo | snap-l: Sounds like someone trying to get an question answered for his CompSci 100 class? | 20:46 |
| snap-l | Yeah, no kiddding | 20:46 |
| Milyardo | http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/96192/how-to-become-good-at-object-oriented-analysis-and-design-ooad | 20:48 |
| Milyardo | 4 questions in 1 | 20:48 |
| brousch | darnit. i was going to signup to be rick_h_'s pyohio session chair, but someone else has it already | 20:48 |
| binbrain | I'm confused, all of a sudden my Android has tethering, and it works like a dream | 20:59 |
| binbrain | I'm trying to figure out when this happened, but everything I see says that its blocked by most carriers and cost extra | 20:59 |
| brousch | they'll just charge you what they want. don't worry about it | 21:00 |
| binbrain | I live in NYC, I basically do that for everything now | 21:01 |
| gamerchick02 | maybe it's not blocked by your carrier, binbrain | 21:47 |
| mattmichielsen | gamerchick02: yes, Gentex is hiring, pay is on par with a lot of others on this side of the state | 22:53 |
| gamerchick02 | k | 22:53 |
| mattmichielsen | all kinds of different engineering positions | 22:54 |
| gamerchick02 | i've already applied to a bunch of their positions | 22:54 |
| gamerchick02 | never got callbacks | 22:54 |
| mattmichielsen | how long ago? | 22:54 |
| gamerchick02 | it's just nobody ever calls or emails me back | 22:54 |
| gamerchick02 | dunno | 22:54 |
| mattmichielsen | we just doubled our HR department, mostly new recruiters | 22:54 |
| mattmichielsen | growing like crazy | 22:55 |
| brousch | hey, mattmichielsen woke up! | 22:55 |
| gamerchick02 | wow. HR. ok. | 22:55 |
| mattmichielsen | finally logged into my server with screen/irssi | 22:55 |
| brousch | hehe | 22:55 |
| * gamerchick02 doesn't put much stock in HR, sorry. i've been screwed by them. | 22:55 | |
| brousch | i'm finding more recruits for you | 22:55 |
| mattmichielsen | i haven't set up a firewall rule to get to this box from the outside world yet since i started using linux as a router | 22:56 |
| mattmichielsen | a lot of the new HR guys are pretty cool, some of them worked with me in production support | 22:59 |
| brousch | i assume you're hiring HR guys because you're more actual workers | 22:59 |
| mattmichielsen | right | 23:00 |
| mattmichielsen | https://tbe.taleo.net/NA4/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=GENTEX&cws=1&rid=8 | 23:00 |
| mattmichielsen | That's pretty much where most people start these days | 23:01 |
| mattmichielsen | i started in this position way back in 2001 or so: https://tbe.taleo.net/NA4/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=GENTEX&cws=1&rid=645 | 23:01 |
| gamerchick02 | i don't program. it's not a strength of mine. never has been | 23:02 |
| gamerchick02 | probably never will be. | 23:02 |
| mattmichielsen | that's cool, the first one i posted is definitely worth checking out | 23:03 |
| mattmichielsen | if you want a for-sure callback, pm me your name | 23:03 |
| mattmichielsen | if you've applied for anything before, you'll be in HRs system | 23:03 |
| gamerchick02 | first one requires a CS degree. I'm a ME | 23:03 |
| mattmichielsen | most people we hire for that job are MEs | 23:04 |
| gamerchick02 | i took pascal and got nothing out of it. then they dropped all programming form the ME degree after i suffered through that torturous class. | 23:04 |
| gamerchick02 | from rather | 23:05 |
| gamerchick02 | ok | 23:05 |
| mattmichielsen | the Production Support Engineer job is not programming-related | 23:05 |
| mattmichielsen | it's our entry-level engineering spot | 23:05 |
| mattmichielsen | people move from there to more technical stuff or into management | 23:05 |
| gamerchick02 | will i be doing mechanical engineering stuff related to parts or plastics design? i'm NOT an HVAC engineer (if i was i'd have a job but i'd cry every night because it's so damn boring) | 23:09 |
| gamerchick02 | nor am i qualified to be an HVAC engineer (the thermo branch of stuff is not my strong suit) | 23:09 |
| gamerchick02 | i've applied for it. | 23:11 |
| mattmichielsen | it's more production support, but most people who want to do ME type stuff move into process engineering in 6 months to a year | 23:12 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm more into product stuff, but i guess beggars can't be choosers. | 23:13 |
| mattmichielsen | usually people move into product stuff after a couple years of process engineering | 23:15 |
| gamerchick02 | ah. paying dues thing. i get it. | 23:15 |
| rick_h_ | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/state_web_summer | 23:15 |
| gamerchick02 | i was a slave when i was in school, i know the drill. ;) (kettering university broke me) | 23:15 |
| rick_h_ | <3 the MS + facebook bit | 23:15 |
| gamerchick02 | so do i. saw that, it was awesome. | 23:15 |
| rick_h_ | lol http://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/comments/j0lw1/has_anyone_reverse_engineered_the_add_to_circles/ | 23:30 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: you have that done right? ^^ | 23:30 |
| snap-l | Pfft | 23:34 |
| gamerchick02 | i've got another person interested in Ubuntu... | 23:37 |
| * gamerchick02 does a happydance | 23:37 | |
| jjesse | yay? | 23:38 |
| gamerchick02 | yeah. | 23:38 |
| gamerchick02 | very yay :) | 23:38 |
| rick_h_ | ok, ordered 4 new usb sticks for putting tutorial files on before the talk | 23:40 |
| rick_h_ | that should be enough right? | 23:40 |
| snap-l | Y'know, my Dad was talking about having Ubuntu on his new laptop | 23:41 |
| snap-l | he really likes it. | 23:41 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: LMK if you need some more USB keys | 23:42 |
| snap-l | I have a few if you need them | 23:42 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: ok, cool | 23:43 |
| rick_h_ | I just planne don getting some small cheap ones, nothing I don't mind walking away kind of thing | 23:44 |
| gamerchick02 | snap-l, that's cool | 23:46 |
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