[00:01] trying to backport netatalk 2.2~beta4 to natty [00:02] couldn't remember debuild commmand [00:02] now its croaking on some C code that looks right to me :( [00:02] so fuck it... i spent nearly 30min on it... I'll go back to work. [00:03] i'm getting "error: array type has incomplete element type" from the C compiler, but I look at the ldapconfig header and the type that is there is complete and good and matches where it is used. [00:04] hmm, no idea [00:05] rick_h_: I am wary of those monoprice arms [00:05] there's no way $20 arms can work [00:06] jrwren: you know where to ask packaging questions! [00:06] where? [00:06] askubuntu! [00:06] rofl. good call. [00:06] come on, captain obvious [00:06] well, in this case I'm stuck at a C question. [00:09] jcastro: yea, I've got a pair of hte $20 ones [00:09] they're ok, but that's why I upgraded to the other ones I linked you [00:09] rick_h_: right, that's what I figured [00:09] hey do you know how much weight they'll hold? [00:09] I wonder if it will hold Jill's eeetop [00:09] says 18" [00:09] 18lbs I mean [00:10] confirmed. netatalk2.2beta4 source from sf does not build on natty :( i don't see how it builds on oneric, but I don't have an oneric to test on [00:12] grab the source from oneiric [00:12] and build on natty [00:12] deb-src http://blah oneiric [00:12] then apt-get source it [00:12] then debuild it [00:13] rick_h_: the eetop weighs 16 lbs according to the specs [00:13] rick_h_: heh so basically I'm going to get 4 of these [00:13] i tried that first :) [00:13] jcastro: cool [00:14] i was just confirming that its not anything with the ubuntu deb patch. the straight sorce doesn't build either :( [00:40] http://monitor1.redspider.co.nz:8888/static/ui_test.html [00:40] crazy [01:20] Blergh [01:23] snap-l: how's things? JoDee doing OK? [01:29] Yeah, she's fine [01:29] Car is in the shop. And now we do the insurance / collision shop waiting dance [01:32] You guys have only one car, right? [01:55] Yep [01:55] Though we're borrowing my parents car. [02:14] rick_h_: https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G [02:14] I believe this is your worst nightmare. ;) [03:02] jcastro: Trying not to be that guy. ;) [03:02] (https://plus.google.com/116015965439782966698 for those playing at home) [11:30] snap-l: heh, not sure it's my worst nightmare [11:38] morning [11:39] I really, really am not happy with my new boss [11:40] Told her that my car was in the shop and didn't know when it would be done [11:40] she says "That's OK, the day after is our backup day for this presentation" [11:41] So my informal knowlede share is so fucking important that I need to make sure that I'm down there, regardless of whether I have a car or not [11:42] And of course my "informal" knowledge share requires slides. [11:42] did you let her know that "I don't know when" mean "I don't know how many days" and not "I don't know what time today"? [11:42] (which I should send in advance) [11:43] Well, what's great is she's also (I'm sure) invited half the damn company [11:43] most of which know what I do on an intimate basis. [11:44] and they need your knowledge share why? [11:45] Fuck if I know [11:45] I think it's to show that I exist or something. [11:46] I have no fucking idea why if this is so important it couldn't be done via a telecommunications bridge [11:46] since that seems to be one of the things that we sell (go figure) [11:46] Maybe they want to pin a medal on you. :-D [11:49] I'm about to tell them where they can pin said medal [11:51] http://openmetalcast.com/2011/07/26/open-metalcast-episode-26-last-train-to-crazyville/ [11:53] how're the wife and car? [11:55] Wife is fine. Car is in the shop awaiting estimates and what-not [11:56] good good [12:23] raise your hand if you feel like crap this morning [12:23] o/ [12:26] a little tired. boy woke us up at 5:30 today [12:29] greg-g: with you there, but my bike is done so today is good stuff yay! [12:29] greg-g: so the wife is curious if you guys are taking your 6mo old with you hiking in the woods? [12:29] * rick_h_ got the invite card yesterday [12:29] rick_h_: for our 1 year anniversary/reception thingy? Something like that :) [12:30] lol, ok [12:39] rick_h_: so, confirmed with wife: yet to be determined [12:39] (btw, saying "wife" to refer to Carrie is crazy) [12:39] yea, you get used to it :) [12:40] greg-g: ok, it was funny. We keep saying we want to take michael, but at 18mo we're still holding out a ways [12:40] I just refer to JoDee as "Her Royal Highness" [12:40] (Actually, that's what we refer to JoDee's younger sister as: HRH) [12:41] hah [12:41] i think we should use that for my sis [12:47] Composing in my head the "I'm quite offended by your statement that I could just do my presentation the next day" mail to my boss. [12:59] heh [12:59] that sounds rather annoying. [12:59] * ColonelPanic001 comes to the rescue to point out the obvious [13:05] oooooo, my first home delivery of fresh, organic veg will arrive this afternoon [13:06] brousch: awesome [13:09] http://www.doorganicsgr.com/local-bin-weekly-update [13:09] hm, i don't even know what chard and fennel are [13:10] lol [13:10] chard is like large lettuce [13:10] fennel is another leafy thing, more fine [13:12] cool, i can use fennel to make absinthe [13:16] brousch: fennel seeds often appear as a spice, and are used in many italian sausages. [13:16] chard sounds like an insult [13:16] "you stupid chard" [13:16] ColonelPanic001++ [13:16] You're upvoting me? What a chard. [13:17] Fennel you [13:19] :\ [13:19] rick_h_: lol, I ordered 4 of those arms and an Aeron [13:19] wow nice [13:19] hope they work out for you [13:30] brousch: yay fresh veg (and I love that you say veg, it sounds British to me) [13:31] also chard is great, saute that stuff with olive oil and mmmmmm, good [13:34] 1morning [13:35] <_stink_> "chard" just sounds too much like "shart". [13:35] ha, _stink_ [13:36] pinging greg-g; did you want me to send the list of events to the ubuntu-mi list or to you? [13:38] so use chard like spinach? [13:38] yes [13:40] <_stink_> go easy on the fennel until you're sure you like it. [13:40] i like anise [13:41] wife does not [13:41] i think we are growing chard this year in our garden [13:41] <_stink_> jjesse has his garden spring up magically. [13:41] jjesse: i signed up for this http://www.doorganicsgr.com/local-bin-weekly-update [13:41] not really this maybe the 1st year we actually don't kill all the plants [13:41] <_stink_> hehe [13:42] brousch cool do you like it? [13:42] <_stink_> i've got big plans for a veggie garden next year. [13:42] i don't know. first delivery is today [13:42] i was supposed to plow over the weeds in the back area of the yard but never go t to it for the garden [13:42] so this year everything is in pots [13:43] my wife has 8 pots of tomatoes in the front yard, 1 of cucumbers, 1 of jalapenos [13:45] wow, brousch. [13:45] that's a lot of tomatoes [13:46] we only have 3 plants this year. [13:46] yeah, i don't even like them! [13:46] i like the home-grown ones [13:46] i'll eat romas as long as they are cut up tiny [13:46] grill them with salt and pepper and put melted mozz cheese on them. effing divine. [13:47] especially the heirloom ones. [13:48] <_stink_> i think there's some law that anyone who grows anything must grow tomatoes [13:48] <_stink_> but i intend to ignore that law at great risk [13:48] and cucumbers or zucchini [13:48] well my wife grows them because they're only thing she doesn't kill [13:48] lol, brousch [13:48] we do peppers a lot [13:48] they're easy. [13:48] <_stink_> i can get behind peppers, yeah [13:49] <_stink_> but god zucchini no way [13:49] <_stink_> and let me say that i have tried to prepare zucchini 100 different ways [13:49] <_stink_> and they are all terrible [13:49] is greg-g around? i've got his list from the last meeting (yeah, finally got around to it, i'm horrible) [13:49] i like cucumbers. cut up with salt and pepper = happy me [13:49] <_stink_> yeah cucumbers++ [13:49] i can eat a whole one for a snack. [13:49] hah [13:49] or lunch. [13:50] zuchinni get chopped and grilled in a basket with squash [13:50] olive oil, salt, pepper [13:50] mmmm [13:50] <_stink_> i would eat the squash and throw the zucchini out the window angrily like a child. [13:51] OK, it's Python learning time [13:52] why would "import wx" be failing inside a script when it succeeds from the Python prompt [13:52] ? [13:52] Wolfger: because the script has a diff python path? [13:52] check the #! [13:53] I thought the #! was not needed on Windows system [13:53] oh, well hell if it's windows then I know nothing [13:53] :-p [13:54] Traceback (most recent call last): [13:54] File "wx.py", line 1, in [13:54] import wx [13:54] File "C:\Documents and Settings\t9511mf\MyRealDocuments\pystuff\wx.py", line 2 [13:54] , in [13:54] app = wx.App() [13:54] AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'App' [13:54] ouch, pastebin pls [13:54] ugh. Sorry. Did not realize it would come out as many lines :-p [13:54] lol, did you name your file wx? [13:54] yes [13:55] uh [13:55] oh [13:55] don't steal the name of the package you're using [13:55] LOL [13:55] get creative and make up your own :) [13:56] still getting same error, but yeah I should not have named it that :-) [13:57] rm the .pyc file if it's there [13:58] O'reilly Deal of the Day is on Java books [13:58] 50% off [13:58] you may have to do some path crap in windows [13:58] Wolfger: Time to update that library of yours. [13:58] yea, lots of path crap, like getting a unix path [13:59] add various things to your system path [13:59] Windows paths are far worse than UNIX paths, IMHO [14:00] Does anybody feel otherwise? [14:01] i know you have to add the python path [14:01] python path is there and working. I've run other python scripts [14:01] wxPython is a new install, and I'm failing on that import it seems [14:01] but only from the script [14:04] funkiness [14:04] I removed everything from the script except for the import statement on line 1, and the error is still complaining about line 2 [14:05] line 2 no longer exists [14:06] Wolfger: If it's any consolation, I had a hell of a time trying to get wxpython working under Windows [14:06] There's some scripts in there that I believe set up the correct paths [14:07] Unfortunately I didn't pursue it much further [14:07] Wolfger: reboot ;) [14:11] that's the official fix for anything windows, right? :-P [14:13] "I can't move the mouse because someone glued it to the desk" - Reboot. [14:17] well when the path changes on windows, you have to reboot to make it active [14:19] snap-l it's always amusing when I shut my mouse off. [14:20] i'll jiggle it and wait and it won't move anything. then i check to see if the dongle thingy is plugged in. THEN i check to see if it's on. [14:26] pygtk > wx [14:27] jrwren: How do you figure? [14:27] i'm just stirring the pot [14:27] now that pygtk has an all-in-one windows installer, it's much less painful [14:33] durr.... [14:33] I renamed my script by way of "save as", which means..... the wx.py I previously created was still there and interfering with my import [14:34] PEBKAC all the way [14:34] n00b [14:34] i was actually going to ask if you did that, but i assumed you were too smart ;) [14:36] :-p [14:36] smart enough to figure it out eventually... just having a "slow" day [14:37] I still can't believe I named my script after the module in the first place. [14:37] * Wolfger is feeling exceptionally lame today [14:38] luckily your current bout of lameness is offset by the injection of awesome you get from learning python [14:41] Heh [14:41] Wife is heading for Borders today, for 40% off. Told her to check the prices on a couple Python books for me. [14:41] But... [14:41] Amazon is already > 40% off the publisher price of those books [14:42] so may wind up going Amazon again, anyhow. [14:44] jjesse: :-p [14:44] (re: G+) [14:45] go used if you must go dead tree [14:45] but like we said yesterday, make sure you get the latest edition of used. [14:45] Wolfger your welcome [14:48] headed up to Bay City. See everyone when I get back! :) [14:52] I think it's not 40% yet [14:52] only "up to 40%" [14:52] which means the magazines are 40%, and the rest of the store is between 10%-20% [14:57] Wolfger: i have 1 or 2 wxpython books if you're interested [15:00] brousch: maybe... I'm not sold on wx yet, just experimenting. [15:00] got to say it looks promising so far, though [15:01] it's been arund a long time and is actively kept up to date [15:14] Yeah, it's a nice toolkit [15:18] what is wx layout like v. gtk? more HBox VBox stuff? [15:19] jrwren: http://wiki.wxpython.org/UsingSizers [15:19] pretty much [15:19] wtf is this? http://xpt.sourceforge.net/ [15:20] jrwren: it's called a website [15:20] people post info to them on occassion [15:20] usually not useful, but occassionally so [15:22] its just a strange site for sourceforge. what is the project there? [15:22] some guy getting free hosting [15:25] Looks like the project is Unix Power Tools [15:25] https://sourceforge.net/projects/xpt/develop [15:25] ah, the book? [15:25] Not sure [15:30] gamerchick02: hi! [15:30] oh, you're gone :/ [15:31] hmm, gamerchick02 didn't leave her list anywhere, did she? (/me doesn't see an email or PM) [15:47] I've just released the 0.2 version of FAPWS2 (Fast Asynchronous Python WebServer) which is WSGI compliant. [15:47] Sorry, was FAPPNG taken? Fast Asynchronous Python Pusher Next Generation? [16:05] meh, sounds already out of date [16:05] http://pypi.python.org/pypi/fapws3/0.9.dev [16:52] snap-l: we love you and are here to help. (re: your latest dent) [16:55] dent? [16:59] Wolfger: identi.ca notice [17:00] https://identi.ca/notice/79740938 [17:01] <_stink_> snap-l: just to clarify, since greg-g said 'we': I love you, but I'm not *in love* with you. [17:01] :) [17:07] http://www.erasmatazz.com/TheLibrary/GameDesign/DesignDiaryBotP/July22/July22.html [17:07] Thank you. :) [17:18] greg-g: Ah, yes. I forgot Identica tweets were called dents. I was going to say, "The way I heard it, the side of the car isn't there anymore... That's more than a dent." [17:21] greg-g, i left around 11:30 for lunch, just got back [17:21] snap-l: And I love you slightly less than _stink_ so I can be sure there's someone more willing than I to give you a hug [17:21] i have my list written down the old fashioned way. [17:25] snap-l: who all is going to pyohio from the east side, besides you and rick_h_? [17:29] brousch: just us that I know of [17:29] 100 awesome python devs over there and only 2 of you are going? [17:30] i suppose some are lured by the makerfaire [17:30] yea, some [17:30] but really not a ton of python devs over here that I know of [17:30] py-curious [17:30] [17:31] that is my new favorite word [17:31] i have met a lot of py-curious people [17:31] same here [17:32] <_stink_> i'd love to go, but i suck at commiting to a trip [17:32] <_stink_> work is talking about sending me to San Fran [17:32] suck [17:32] ah, fun there [17:32] <_stink_> and i tell them 'eh, maybe.' [17:34] gamerchick02: ahh, could you type it up in an email, perchance? greg@grossmeier.net [17:34] yeah, no problems. i didn't have your email somehow. whoops. [17:34] no worries :) [17:34] i only went back to the beginning of the year. [17:34] is that ok? [17:40] gamerchick02: yeah, that's ok [17:40] cool [17:43] rick_h_: Sounds like a Penguicon panel... Stop Being Py-curious and Just Go Py! [17:51] Yardage yadda [17:51] just did the ballsiest thing ever. [17:51] contacted the HR person DIRECT at Nexteer [17:51] Yeah... [17:52] And.. [17:52] normally i don't have this type of confidence, but i usually fail at everything so i have nothing to lose [17:52] they'll probably ignore me. [17:53] What happened? [17:53] when ya got nothing, it don't fucking matter no more [17:53] i just sent the email [17:53] it'll prolly be round-binned [17:53] i mean, i applied for this position fucking two fucking years ago [17:53] TWO YEARS [17:53] it's still open and i hear nothing [17:53] Yea but nothing ventured [17:54] it's what i was doing when i was a prostitute and they were my John [17:54] Haaaaha [17:54] ie, contractor [17:54] it's exactly like being a prostitute. sorry. [17:54] S'okay [17:54] Last place o [17:55] except i'm not dealing with pregnancy, potential disease and having objects shoved up my arse [17:55] Iowa's at they had tons of h1b people [17:55] oh yeah, i know [17:55] they hire fucking h1b's instead of real engineers [17:56] that's how i got fucked out of my last opportunity [17:56] they went with a goddamned foreigner. [17:56] Yes USA..this is rank [17:56] gamerchick02: Too bad you didn't have a contact to the hiring manager to bypass HR. [17:56] hah. i'm not THAT good [17:56] HR usually holds things up [17:57] Ducking auto correct [17:57] i'm not fucking anyone over at nexteer so i prolly won't get in [17:57] Hehe [17:57] now, i wouldn't mind fucking someone over there. not hard. i'd do anything to get a job at this point, including the objects in my arse thing. [17:58] What. City you in? [17:58] i mean, it's angering when you're fucking perfect for a job, you go through their goddamned hoops, and they don't call you back [17:58] the Nasty (aka Saginaw) [17:58] there's no jobs here unless you're medical and willing to work with sick people, or are fucking someone at Nexteer [17:58] OK. [17:59] oh, and retail, but i'd rather suck dicks than do that again [17:59] And the problem is [17:59] also, willing to relocate [17:59] can't relocate without job. [17:59] not willing to relocate without job [17:59] Send a resume to El polk [18:00] ok, now for the record...if that stuff about arse and d@#$ came out of one of our mouths, we'd be creating a hostile irc channel and CoC would come crashing upon us :/ [18:00] Rl polk [18:00] sorry, rick_h_ [18:00] i'm grumpy today [18:01] no, I mean I don't find it offensive and all...understand the frustration. :( [18:01] CoC? [18:01] code of conduct [18:01] Code of Conduct, that thing we usually ignore :P [18:01] oh [18:01] I'm not a fan of an... nah, never mind. That would be against the CoC, too :) [18:01] there is a code of conduct in this channel? [18:01] well, it's fine, but i feel like i'm with friends here. if i was in bugs or classroom or meeting i wouldn't be so vulgar. [18:01] "try not to kill anyone" [18:02] gamerchick02: naw, I understand. It's me being whiny about how the internets get all aflame for what I wouldn't always get uppity about [18:02] lol ColonelPanic001 [18:02] heh, I don't think anyone's going to come after you ;) [18:02] gamerchick02: you can come be my boss, guess they're looking for a mamanger to free up my manager [18:02] I guess [18:03] /mamager/manager really...honest typo [18:03] i don't really want to manage. i want to make cool shit. [18:03] artic outhouse technition [18:03] that's why i got an engineering degree. if i had known it'd be this goddamned hard to get a job, i would have gone with art. [18:03] then come fix my typing [18:03] at least i could get a job in a design house [18:04] the artists I know also don't have a job, they just don't expect to [18:04] heh [18:04] rick_h_: did you just CoC-slap gamerchick02? [18:04] bahaha [18:05] LOL, brousch [18:05] someone please print that and frame it [18:05] that took me a second [18:05] i got it right away. [18:05] i'm horrible. [18:05] no comment' [18:05] i'm going to hell for that [18:05] oh man, be rick_h_'s boss. that's gotta be tough [18:06] rick_h_ what are the qualifications for this manager? i'd probably be horrible at it, but eh, whatever... [18:06] "Rick, we've been getting complaints across town that they can hear your keyboard..." [18:06] LOL, colonelpanic001 [18:06] "RICK PUT DOWN THE KNIFE" [18:06] rick, you're far too efficient and making everyone else look bad. from now on you must use visual studio and type with only 6 fingers [18:07] on a $10 kmart keyboard [18:08] rick hasn't written code in 4 years. He just has vim macros recorded that do it for him [18:08] you guys know how to make me smile, that's for sure. [18:08] \o/ [18:08] "ubuntu-us-mi, come for gamerchick02's rants, stay for the lulz" [18:09] gamerchick02: what kind of engineer are you? [18:09] mechanical/product/plastics [18:09] gentex is hiring over on the more pleasant side of the state [18:10] i'm willing to get dirty (actually dirty, please disregard my earlier bits about sexual innuendo) [18:10] gentex? pay well? [18:10] i haven't a clue [18:10] it's only 3 hours away from sag. i need to be in about that radius til march 2013 (i want to fulfil my JPQ year in NIle) [18:11] your what in who? [18:12] Jr. Past Queen. Nile's line is 5 years [18:12] i'm Queen now [18:12] http://daughtersofthenile.com [18:15] ping mattmichielsen [18:17] gamerchick02 is Egyptian Royalty [18:18] gamerchick02: aparently grand rapids has a nile temple [18:20] they did. they closed before we went to Indianapolis last year. [18:20] colonelpanic001: not really; it's a lot of work. [18:21] hm, it's still on the web site [18:21] nothing worth doing requires work. [18:22] yeah, the website team isn't exactly speedy. :-/ [18:23] ugh, this manager thing sounds like a mess. Guess my boss is actually a VP and they want him to start VP'ing more [18:23] how do you VP more? [18:26] by doing less real work [18:26] and by knowing less about what your peons are doing [18:26] SIGN ME UP [18:26] damn [18:27] rick_h_: snap-l should apply to be your boss. imagine how much less stress you'd have [18:27] JUST DO WHAT RICK SAYS [18:28] heh [18:28] LOL [18:28] i assume you need to know something to be a boss. i know nothing of what rick_h_ does, so i wouldn't be able to manage him [18:28]