[00:01] <jrwren> trying to backport netatalk 2.2~beta4 to natty
[00:02] <jrwren> couldn't remember debuild commmand
[00:02] <jrwren> now its croaking on some C code that looks right to me :(
[00:02] <jrwren> so fuck it... i spent nearly 30min on it... I'll go back to work.
[00:03] <jrwren> i'm getting "error: array type has incomplete element type" from the C compiler, but I look at the ldapconfig header and the type that is there is complete and good and matches where it is used.
[00:04] <rick_h_> hmm, no idea
[00:05] <jcastro> rick_h_: I am wary of those monoprice arms
[00:05] <jcastro> there's no way $20 arms can work
[00:06] <jcastro> jrwren: you know where to  ask packaging questions!
[00:06] <jrwren> where?
[00:06] <jcastro> askubuntu!
[00:06] <jrwren> rofl. good call.
[00:06] <jcastro> come on, captain obvious
[00:06] <jrwren> well, in this case I'm stuck at a C question.
[00:09] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, I've got a pair of hte $20 ones
[00:09] <rick_h_> they're ok, but that's why I upgraded to the other ones I linked you
[00:09] <jcastro> rick_h_: right, that's what I figured
[00:09] <jcastro> hey do you know how much weight they'll hold?
[00:09] <jcastro> I wonder if it will hold Jill's eeetop
[00:09] <rick_h_> says 18"
[00:09] <rick_h_> 18lbs I mean
[00:10] <jrwren> confirmed. netatalk2.2beta4 source from sf does not build on natty :(    i don't see how it builds on oneric, but I don't have an oneric to test on
[00:12] <jcastro> grab the source from oneiric
[00:12] <jcastro> and build on natty
[00:12] <jcastro> deb-src http://blah oneiric
[00:12] <jcastro> then apt-get source it
[00:12] <jcastro> then debuild it
[00:13] <jcastro> rick_h_: the eetop weighs 16 lbs according to the specs
[00:13] <jcastro> rick_h_: heh so basically I'm going to get 4 of these
[00:13] <jrwren> i tried that first :)
[00:13] <rick_h_> jcastro: cool
[00:14] <jrwren> i was just confirming that its not anything with the ubuntu deb patch. the straight sorce doesn't build either :(
[00:40] <rick_h_> http://monitor1.redspider.co.nz:8888/static/ui_test.html
[00:40] <rick_h_> crazy
[01:20] <snap-l> Blergh
[01:23] <greg-g> snap-l: how's things? JoDee doing OK?
[01:29] <snap-l> Yeah, she's fine
[01:29] <snap-l> Car is in the shop. And now we do the insurance / collision shop waiting dance
[01:32] <greg-g> You guys have only one car, right?
[01:55] <snap-l> Yep
[01:55] <snap-l> Though we're borrowing my parents car.
[02:14] <snap-l> rick_h_: https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G
[02:14] <snap-l> I believe this is your worst nightmare. ;)
[03:02] <snap-l> jcastro: Trying not to be that guy. ;)
[03:02] <snap-l> (https://plus.google.com/116015965439782966698 for those playing at home)
[11:30] <rick_h_> snap-l: heh, not sure it's my worst nightmare
[11:38] <Wolfger> morning
[11:39] <snap-l> I really, really am not happy with my new boss
[11:40] <snap-l> Told her that my car was in the shop and didn't know when it would be done
[11:40] <snap-l> she says "That's OK, the day after is our backup day for this presentation"
[11:41] <snap-l> So my informal knowlede share is so fucking important that I need to make sure that I'm down there, regardless of whether I have a car or not
[11:42] <snap-l> And of course my "informal" knowledge share requires slides.
[11:42] <Wolfger> did you let her know that "I don't know when" mean "I don't know how many days" and not "I don't know what time today"?
[11:42] <snap-l> (which I should send in advance)
[11:43] <snap-l> Well, what's great is she's also (I'm sure) invited half the damn company
[11:43] <snap-l> most of which know what I do on an intimate basis.
[11:44] <Wolfger> and they need your knowledge share why?
[11:45] <snap-l> Fuck if I know
[11:45] <snap-l> I think it's to show that I exist or something.
[11:46] <snap-l> I have no fucking idea why if this is so important it couldn't be done via a telecommunications bridge
[11:46] <snap-l> since that seems to be one of the things that we sell (go figure)
[11:46] <Wolfger> Maybe they want to pin a medal on you. :-D
[11:49] <snap-l> I'm about to tell them where they can pin said medal
[11:51] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2011/07/26/open-metalcast-episode-26-last-train-to-crazyville/
[11:53] <brousch> how're the wife and car?
[11:55] <snap-l> Wife is fine. Car is in the shop awaiting estimates and what-not
[11:56] <brousch> good good
[12:23] <greg-g> raise your hand if you feel like crap this morning
[12:23] <greg-g> o/
[12:26] <brousch> a little tired. boy woke us up at 5:30 today
[12:29] <rick_h_> greg-g: with you there, but my bike is done so today is good stuff yay!
[12:29] <rick_h_> greg-g: so the wife is curious if you guys are taking your 6mo old with you hiking in the woods?
[12:29]  * rick_h_ got the invite card yesterday
[12:29] <greg-g> rick_h_: for our 1 year anniversary/reception thingy? Something like that :)
[12:30] <rick_h_> lol, ok
[12:39] <greg-g> rick_h_: so, confirmed with wife: yet to be determined
[12:39] <greg-g> (btw, saying "wife" to refer to Carrie is crazy)
[12:39] <rick_h_> yea, you get used to it :)
[12:40] <rick_h_> greg-g: ok, it was funny. We keep saying we want to take michael, but at 18mo we're still holding out a ways
[12:40] <snap-l> I just refer to JoDee as "Her Royal Highness"
[12:40] <snap-l> (Actually, that's what we refer to JoDee's younger sister as: HRH)
[12:41] <greg-g> hah
[12:41] <greg-g> i think we should use that for my sis
[12:47] <snap-l> Composing in my head the "I'm quite offended by your statement that I could just do my presentation the next day" mail to my boss.
[12:59] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[12:59] <ColonelPanic001> that sounds rather annoying.
[12:59]  * ColonelPanic001 comes to the rescue to point out the obvious
[13:05] <brousch> oooooo, my first home delivery of fresh, organic veg will arrive this afternoon
[13:06] <rick_h_> brousch: awesome
[13:09] <brousch> http://www.doorganicsgr.com/local-bin-weekly-update
[13:09] <brousch> hm, i don't even know what chard and fennel are
[13:10] <rick_h_> lol
[13:10] <rick_h_> chard is like large lettuce
[13:10] <rick_h_> fennel is another leafy thing, more fine
[13:12] <brousch> cool, i can use fennel to make absinthe
[13:16] <Wolfger> brousch: fennel seeds often appear as a spice, and are used in many italian sausages.
[13:16] <ColonelPanic001> chard sounds like an insult
[13:16] <ColonelPanic001> "you stupid chard"
[13:16] <Wolfger> ColonelPanic001++
[13:16] <ColonelPanic001> You're upvoting me? What a chard.
[13:17] <Wolfger> Fennel you
[13:19] <ColonelPanic001> :\
[13:19] <jcastro> rick_h_: lol, I ordered 4 of those arms and an Aeron
[13:19] <rick_h_> wow nice
[13:19] <rick_h_> hope they work out for you
[13:30] <greg-g> brousch: yay fresh veg (and I love that you say veg, it sounds British to me)
[13:31] <greg-g> also chard is great, saute that stuff with olive oil and mmmmmm, good
[13:34] <jjesse> 1morning
[13:35] <_stink_> "chard" just sounds too much like "shart".
[13:35] <gamerchick02> ha, _stink_
[13:36] <gamerchick02> pinging greg-g; did you want me to send the list of events to the ubuntu-mi list or to you?
[13:38] <brousch> so use chard like spinach?
[13:38] <jjesse> yes
[13:40] <_stink_> go easy on the fennel until you're sure you like it.
[13:40] <brousch> i like anise
[13:41] <brousch> wife does not
[13:41] <jjesse> i think we are growing chard this year in our garden
[13:41] <_stink_> jjesse has his garden spring up magically.
[13:41] <brousch> jjesse: i signed up for this http://www.doorganicsgr.com/local-bin-weekly-update
[13:41] <jjesse> not really this maybe the 1st year we actually don't kill all the plants
[13:41] <_stink_> hehe
[13:42] <jjesse> brousch cool do you like it?
[13:42] <_stink_> i've got big plans for a veggie garden next year.
[13:42] <brousch> i don't know. first delivery is today
[13:42] <jjesse> i was supposed to plow over the weeds in the back area of the yard but never go t to it for the garden
[13:42] <jjesse> so this year everything is in pots
[13:43] <brousch> my wife has 8 pots of tomatoes in the front yard, 1 of cucumbers, 1 of jalapenos
[13:45] <gamerchick02> wow, brousch.
[13:45] <gamerchick02> that's a lot of tomatoes
[13:46] <gamerchick02> we only have 3 plants this year.
[13:46] <brousch> yeah, i don't even like them!
[13:46] <gamerchick02> i like the home-grown ones
[13:46] <brousch> i'll eat romas as long as they are cut up tiny
[13:46] <gamerchick02> grill them with salt and pepper and put melted mozz cheese on them. effing divine.
[13:47] <gamerchick02> especially  the heirloom ones.
[13:48] <_stink_> i think there's some law that anyone who grows anything must grow tomatoes
[13:48] <_stink_> but i intend to ignore that law at great risk
[13:48] <gamerchick02> and cucumbers or zucchini
[13:48] <brousch> well my wife grows them because they're only thing she doesn't kill
[13:48] <gamerchick02> lol, brousch
[13:48] <gamerchick02> we do peppers a lot
[13:48] <gamerchick02> they're easy.
[13:48] <_stink_> i can get behind peppers, yeah
[13:49] <_stink_> but god zucchini no way
[13:49] <_stink_> and let me say that i have tried to prepare zucchini 100 different ways
[13:49] <_stink_> and they are all terrible
[13:49] <gamerchick02> is greg-g around? i've got his list from the last meeting (yeah, finally got around to it, i'm horrible)
[13:49] <gamerchick02> i like cucumbers. cut up with salt and pepper = happy me
[13:49] <_stink_> yeah cucumbers++
[13:49] <gamerchick02> i can eat a whole one for a snack.
[13:49] <gamerchick02> hah
[13:49] <gamerchick02> or lunch.
[13:50] <brousch> zuchinni get chopped and grilled in a basket with squash
[13:50] <brousch> olive oil, salt, pepper
[13:50] <jjesse> mmmm
[13:50] <_stink_> i would eat the squash and throw the zucchini out the window angrily like a child.
[13:51] <Wolfger> OK, it's Python learning time
[13:52] <Wolfger> why would "import wx" be failing inside a script when it succeeds from the Python prompt
[13:52] <Wolfger> ?
[13:52] <rick_h_> Wolfger: because the script has a diff python path?
[13:52] <rick_h_> check the #!
[13:53] <Wolfger> I thought the #! was not needed on Windows system
[13:53] <rick_h_> oh, well hell if it's windows then I know nothing
[13:53] <Wolfger> :-p
[13:54] <Wolfger> Traceback (most recent call last):
[13:54] <Wolfger>   File "wx.py", line 1, in <module>
[13:54] <Wolfger>     import wx
[13:54] <Wolfger>   File "C:\Documents and Settings\t9511mf\MyRealDocuments\pystuff\wx.py", line 2
[13:54] <Wolfger> , in <module>
[13:54] <Wolfger>     app = wx.App()
[13:54] <Wolfger> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'App'
[13:54] <rick_h_> ouch, pastebin pls
[13:54] <Wolfger> ugh. Sorry. Did not realize it would come out as many lines :-p
[13:54] <rick_h_> lol, did you name your file wx?
[13:54] <Wolfger> yes
[13:55] <Wolfger> uh
[13:55] <Wolfger> oh
[13:55] <rick_h_> don't steal the name of the package you're using
[13:55] <Wolfger> LOL
[13:55] <rick_h_> get creative and make up your own :)
[13:56] <Wolfger> still getting same error, but yeah I should not have named it that :-)
[13:57] <rick_h_> rm the .pyc file if it's there
[13:58] <snap-l> O'reilly Deal of the Day is on Java books
[13:58] <snap-l> 50% off
[13:58] <brousch> you may have to do some path crap in windows
[13:58] <snap-l> Wolfger: Time to update that library of yours.
[13:58] <rick_h_> yea, lots of path crap, like getting a unix path
[13:59] <brousch> add various things to your system path
[13:59] <snap-l> Windows paths are far worse than UNIX paths, IMHO
[14:00] <Wolfger> Does anybody feel otherwise?
[14:01] <brousch> i know you have to add the python path
[14:01] <Wolfger> python path is there and working. I've run other python scripts
[14:01] <Wolfger> wxPython is a new install, and I'm failing on that import it seems
[14:01] <Wolfger> but only from the script
[14:04] <Wolfger> funkiness
[14:04] <Wolfger> I removed everything from the script except for the import statement on line 1, and the error is still complaining about line 2
[14:05] <Wolfger> line 2 no longer exists
[14:06] <snap-l> Wolfger: If it's any consolation, I had a hell of a time trying to get wxpython working under Windows
[14:06] <snap-l> There's some scripts in there that I believe set up the correct paths
[14:07] <snap-l> Unfortunately I didn't pursue it much further
[14:07] <brousch> Wolfger: reboot ;)
[14:11] <gamerchick02> that's the official fix for anything windows, right? :-P
[14:13] <snap-l> "I can't move the mouse because someone glued it to the desk" - Reboot.
[14:17] <brousch> well when the path changes on windows, you have to reboot to make it active
[14:19] <gamerchick02> snap-l it's always amusing when I shut my mouse off.
[14:20] <gamerchick02> i'll jiggle it and wait and it won't move anything. then i check to see if the dongle thingy is plugged in. THEN i check to see if it's on.
[14:26] <jrwren> pygtk > wx
[14:27] <snap-l> jrwren: How do you figure?
[14:27] <jrwren> i'm just stirring the pot
[14:27] <brousch> now that pygtk has an all-in-one windows installer, it's much less painful
[14:33] <Wolfger> durr....
[14:33] <Wolfger> I renamed my script by way of "save as", which means..... the wx.py I previously created was still there and interfering with my import
[14:34] <Wolfger> PEBKAC all the way
[14:34] <brousch> n00b
[14:34] <brousch> i was actually going to ask if you did that, but i assumed you were too smart ;)
[14:36] <Wolfger> :-p
[14:36] <Wolfger> smart enough to figure it out eventually... just having a "slow" day
[14:37] <Wolfger> I still can't believe I named my script after the module in the first place.
[14:37]  * Wolfger is feeling exceptionally lame today
[14:38] <brousch> luckily your current bout of lameness is offset by the injection of awesome you get from learning python
[14:41] <Wolfger> Heh
[14:41] <Wolfger> Wife is heading for Borders today, for 40% off. Told her to check the prices on a couple Python books for me.
[14:41] <Wolfger> But...
[14:41] <Wolfger> Amazon is already > 40% off the publisher price of those books
[14:42] <Wolfger> so may wind up going Amazon again, anyhow.
[14:44] <Wolfger> jjesse: :-p
[14:44] <Wolfger> (re: G+)
[14:45] <brousch> go used if you must go dead tree
[14:45] <jrwren> but like we said yesterday, make sure you get the latest edition of used.
[14:45] <jjesse> Wolfger your welcome
[14:48] <gamerchick02> headed up to Bay City. See everyone when I get back! :)
[14:52] <snap-l> I think it's not 40% yet
[14:52] <snap-l> only "up to 40%"
[14:52] <snap-l> which means the magazines are 40%, and the rest of the store is between 10%-20%
[14:57] <brousch> Wolfger: i have 1 or 2 wxpython books if you're interested
[15:00] <Wolfger> brousch: maybe... I'm not sold on wx yet, just experimenting.
[15:00] <Wolfger> got to say it looks promising so far, though
[15:01] <brousch> it's been arund a long time and is actively kept up to date
[15:14] <snap-l> Yeah, it's a nice toolkit
[15:18] <jrwren> what is wx layout like v. gtk?  more HBox VBox stuff?
[15:19] <brousch> jrwren: http://wiki.wxpython.org/UsingSizers
[15:19] <brousch> pretty much
[15:19] <jrwren> wtf is this? http://xpt.sourceforge.net/
[15:20] <rick_h_> jrwren: it's called a website
[15:20] <rick_h_> people post info to them on occassion
[15:20] <rick_h_> usually not useful, but occassionally so
[15:22] <jrwren> its just a strange site for sourceforge. what is the project there?
[15:22] <rick_h_> some guy getting free hosting
[15:25] <snap-l> Looks like the project is Unix Power Tools
[15:25] <snap-l> https://sourceforge.net/projects/xpt/develop
[15:25] <rick_h_> ah, the book?
[15:25] <snap-l> Not sure
[15:30] <greg-g> gamerchick02: hi!
[15:30] <greg-g> oh, you're gone :/
[15:31] <greg-g> hmm, gamerchick02 didn't leave her list anywhere, did she? (/me doesn't see an email or PM)
[15:47] <snap-l> I've just released the 0.2 version of FAPWS2 (Fast Asynchronous Python WebServer) which is WSGI compliant.
[15:47] <snap-l> Sorry, was FAPPNG taken? Fast Asynchronous Python Pusher Next Generation?
[16:05] <rick_h_> meh, sounds already out of date
[16:05] <rick_h_> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/fapws3/0.9.dev
[16:52] <greg-g> snap-l: we love you and are here to help. (re: your latest dent)
[16:55] <Wolfger> dent?
[16:59] <greg-g> Wolfger: identi.ca notice
[17:00] <greg-g> https://identi.ca/notice/79740938
[17:01] <_stink_> snap-l: just to clarify, since greg-g said 'we': I love you, but I'm not *in love* with you.
[17:01] <greg-g> :)
[17:07] <snap-l> http://www.erasmatazz.com/TheLibrary/GameDesign/DesignDiaryBotP/July22/July22.html
[17:07] <snap-l> Thank you. :)
[17:18] <Wolfger> greg-g: Ah, yes. I forgot Identica tweets were called dents. I was going to say, "The way I heard it, the side of the car isn't there anymore... That's more than a dent."
[17:21] <gamerchick02> greg-g, i left around 11:30 for lunch, just got back
[17:21] <brousch> snap-l: And I love you slightly less than _stink_ so I can be sure there's someone more willing than I to give you a hug
[17:21] <gamerchick02> i have my list written down the old fashioned way.
[17:25] <brousch> snap-l: who all is going to pyohio from the east side, besides you and rick_h_?
[17:29] <rick_h_> brousch: just us that I know of
[17:29] <brousch> 100 awesome python devs over there and only 2 of you are going?
[17:30] <brousch> i suppose some are lured by the makerfaire
[17:30] <rick_h_> yea, some
[17:30] <rick_h_> but really not a ton of python devs over here that I know of
[17:30] <rick_h_> py-curious
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[17:31] <brousch> that is my new favorite word
[17:31] <brousch> i have met a lot of py-curious people
[17:31] <rick_h_> same here
[17:32] <_stink_> i'd love to go, but i suck at commiting to a trip
[17:32] <_stink_> work is talking about sending me to San Fran
[17:32] <rick_h_> suck
[17:32] <rick_h_> ah, fun there
[17:32] <_stink_> and i tell them 'eh, maybe.'
[17:34] <greg-g> gamerchick02: ahh, could you type it up in an email, perchance? greg@grossmeier.net
[17:34] <gamerchick02> yeah, no problems. i didn't have your email somehow. whoops.
[17:34] <greg-g> no worries :)
[17:34] <gamerchick02> i only went back to the beginning of the year.
[17:34] <gamerchick02> is that ok?
[17:40] <greg-g> gamerchick02: yeah, that's ok
[17:40] <gamerchick02> cool
[17:43] <Wolfger> rick_h_: Sounds like a Penguicon panel... Stop Being Py-curious and Just Go Py!
[17:51] <Dekkard> Yardage yadda
[17:51] <gamerchick02> just did the ballsiest thing ever.
[17:51] <gamerchick02> contacted the HR person DIRECT at Nexteer
[17:51] <Dekkard> Yeah...
[17:52] <Dekkard> And..
[17:52] <gamerchick02> normally i don't have this type of confidence, but i usually fail at everything so i have nothing to lose
[17:52] <gamerchick02> they'll probably ignore me.
[17:53] <Dekkard> What happened?
[17:53] <gamerchick02> when ya got nothing, it don't fucking matter no more
[17:53] <gamerchick02> i just sent the email
[17:53] <gamerchick02> it'll prolly be round-binned
[17:53] <gamerchick02> i mean, i applied for this position fucking two fucking years ago
[17:53] <gamerchick02> TWO YEARS
[17:53] <gamerchick02> it's still open and i hear nothing
[17:53] <Dekkard> Yea but nothing ventured
[17:54] <gamerchick02> it's what i was doing when i was a prostitute and they were my John
[17:54] <Dekkard> Haaaaha
[17:54] <gamerchick02> ie, contractor
[17:54] <gamerchick02> it's exactly like being a prostitute. sorry.
[17:54] <Dekkard> S'okay
[17:54] <Dekkard> Last place o
[17:55] <gamerchick02> except i'm not dealing with pregnancy, potential disease and having objects shoved up my arse
[17:55] <Dekkard> Iowa's at they had tons of h1b people
[17:55] <gamerchick02> oh yeah, i know
[17:55] <gamerchick02> they hire fucking h1b's instead of real engineers
[17:56] <gamerchick02> that's how i got fucked out of my last opportunity
[17:56] <gamerchick02> they went with a goddamned foreigner.
[17:56] <Dekkard> Yes USA..this is rank
[17:56] <ptenhoopen> gamerchick02:  Too bad you didn't have a contact to the hiring manager to bypass HR.
[17:56] <gamerchick02> hah. i'm not THAT good
[17:56] <ptenhoopen> HR usually holds things up
[17:57] <Dekkard> Ducking auto correct
[17:57] <gamerchick02> i'm not fucking anyone over at nexteer so i prolly won't get in
[17:57] <Dekkard> Hehe
[17:57] <gamerchick02> now, i wouldn't mind fucking someone over there. not hard. i'd do anything to get a job at this point, including the objects in my arse thing.
[17:58] <Dekkard> What. City you in?
[17:58] <gamerchick02> i mean, it's angering when you're fucking perfect for a job, you go through their goddamned hoops, and they don't call you back
[17:58] <gamerchick02> the Nasty (aka Saginaw)
[17:58] <gamerchick02> there's no jobs here unless you're medical and willing to work with sick people, or are fucking someone at Nexteer
[17:58] <Dekkard> OK.
[17:59] <gamerchick02> oh, and retail, but i'd rather suck dicks than do that again
[17:59] <Dekkard> And the problem is
[17:59] <gamerchick02> also, willing to relocate
[17:59] <gamerchick02> can't relocate without job.
[17:59] <gamerchick02> not willing to relocate without job
[17:59] <Dekkard> Send a resume to El polk
[18:00] <rick_h_> ok, now for the record...if that stuff about arse and d@#$ came out of one of our mouths, we'd be creating a hostile irc channel and CoC would come crashing upon us :/
[18:00] <Dekkard> Rl polk
[18:00] <gamerchick02> sorry, rick_h_
[18:00] <gamerchick02> i'm grumpy today
[18:01] <rick_h_> no, I mean I don't find it offensive and all...understand the frustration. :(
[18:01] <ColonelPanic001> CoC?
[18:01] <gamerchick02> code of conduct
[18:01] <rick_h_> Code of Conduct, that thing we usually ignore :P
[18:01] <ColonelPanic001> oh
[18:01] <ColonelPanic001> I'm not a fan of an... nah, never mind. That would be against the CoC, too :)
[18:01] <jjesse> there is a code of conduct in this channel?
[18:01] <gamerchick02> well, it's fine, but i feel like i'm with friends here. if i was in bugs or classroom or meeting i wouldn't be so vulgar.
[18:01] <ColonelPanic001> "try not to kill anyone"
[18:02] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: naw, I understand. It's me being whiny about how the internets get all aflame for what I wouldn't always get uppity about
[18:02] <gamerchick02> lol ColonelPanic001
[18:02] <ColonelPanic001> heh, I don't think anyone's going to come after you ;)
[18:02] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: you can come be my boss, guess they're looking for a mamanger to free up my manager
[18:02] <rick_h_> I guess
[18:03] <rick_h_> /mamager/manager really...honest typo
[18:03] <gamerchick02> i don't really want to manage. i want to make cool shit.
[18:03] <ColonelPanic001> artic outhouse technition
[18:03] <gamerchick02> that's why i got an engineering degree. if i had known it'd be this goddamned hard to get a job, i would have gone with art.
[18:03] <ColonelPanic001> then come fix my typing
[18:03] <gamerchick02> at least i could get a job in a design house
[18:04] <ColonelPanic001> the artists I know also don't have a job, they just don't expect to
[18:04] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[18:04] <brousch> rick_h_: did you just CoC-slap gamerchick02?
[18:04] <ColonelPanic001> bahaha
[18:05] <gamerchick02> LOL, brousch
[18:05] <ColonelPanic001> someone please print that and frame it
[18:05] <ColonelPanic001> that took me a second
[18:05] <gamerchick02> i got it right away.
[18:05] <gamerchick02> i'm horrible.
[18:05] <ColonelPanic001> no comment'
[18:05] <gamerchick02> i'm going to hell for that
[18:05] <brousch> oh man, be rick_h_'s boss. that's gotta be tough
[18:06] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ what are the qualifications for this manager? i'd probably be horrible at it, but eh, whatever...
[18:06] <ColonelPanic001> "Rick, we've been getting complaints across town that they can hear your keyboard..."
[18:06] <gamerchick02> LOL, colonelpanic001
[18:06] <ColonelPanic001> "RICK PUT DOWN THE KNIFE"
[18:06] <brousch> rick, you're far too efficient and making everyone else look bad. from now on you must use visual studio and type with only 6 fingers
[18:07] <ColonelPanic001> on a $10 kmart keyboard
[18:08] <ColonelPanic001> rick hasn't written code in 4 years. He just has vim macros recorded that do it for him
[18:08] <gamerchick02> you guys know how to make me smile, that's for sure.
[18:08] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[18:08] <gamerchick02> "ubuntu-us-mi, come for gamerchick02's rants, stay for the lulz"
[18:09] <brousch> gamerchick02: what kind of engineer are you?
[18:09] <gamerchick02> mechanical/product/plastics
[18:09] <brousch> gentex is hiring over on the more pleasant side of the state
[18:10] <gamerchick02> i'm willing to get dirty (actually dirty, please disregard my earlier bits about sexual innuendo)
[18:10] <gamerchick02> gentex? pay well?
[18:10] <brousch> i haven't a clue
[18:10] <gamerchick02> it's only 3 hours away from sag. i need to be in about that radius til march 2013 (i want to fulfil my JPQ year in NIle)
[18:11] <brousch> your what in who?
[18:12] <gamerchick02> Jr. Past Queen. Nile's line is 5 years
[18:12] <gamerchick02> i'm Queen now
[18:12] <gamerchick02> http://daughtersofthenile.com
[18:15] <brousch> ping mattmichielsen
[18:17] <ColonelPanic001> gamerchick02 is Egyptian Royalty
[18:18] <brousch> gamerchick02: aparently grand rapids has a nile temple
[18:20] <gamerchick02> they did. they closed before we went to Indianapolis last year.
[18:20] <gamerchick02> colonelpanic001: not really; it's a lot of work.
[18:21] <brousch> hm, it's still on the web site
[18:21] <ColonelPanic001> nothing worth doing requires work.
[18:22] <gamerchick02> yeah, the website team isn't exactly speedy. :-/
[18:23] <rick_h_> ugh, this manager thing sounds like a mess. Guess my boss is actually a VP and they want him to start VP'ing more
[18:23] <gamerchick02> how do you VP more?
[18:26] <brousch> by doing less real work
[18:26] <brousch> and by knowing less about what your peons are doing
[18:26] <ColonelPanic001> SIGN ME UP
[18:26] <gamerchick02> damn
[18:27] <brousch> rick_h_: snap-l should apply to be your boss. imagine how much less stress you'd have
[18:27] <brousch> JUST DO WHAT RICK SAYS
[18:28] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[18:28] <gamerchick02> LOL
[18:28] <gamerchick02> i assume you need to know something to be a boss. i know nothing of what rick_h_ does, so i wouldn't be able to manage him
[18:28] <ColonelPanic001> that's only if you want to be effective
[18:29] <gamerchick02> yes i want to be effective
[18:29] <ColonelPanic001> there's no reason to stand out like that
[18:35] <jrwren> recall the "TEST ALL THE FUCKING TIME" presentation?  rick_h_ does one called "PYTHON ALL THE FUCKING TIME"
[18:36] <jrwren> http://confreaks.net/videos/496-rubyhoedown2008-lightning-talk-tatft-test-all-the-f-in-time?player=html5
[18:37] <Dekkard> I'm a boss
[18:37] <gamerchick02> you're a boss, Dekkard? what do you boss around?
[18:37] <Dekkard> I dontknow much
[18:38] <Dekkard> Monkees in a kitchen
[18:39] <Dekkard> Bbl
[18:39] <gamerchick02> i was gonna say, if you need to boss an mechanical engineer around, i'll be bossed around for pay.
[18:39] <gamerchick02> ok
[18:39] <rick_h_> jrwren: hah, love it
[18:39] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: I don't know how you 'VP' more
[18:40] <rick_h_> I'm going to have nightmares now of someone wanting to come and be my boss that doesn't know crap :/
[18:40] <gamerchick02> i know stuff, just not the stuff i need to know to be your boss.
[18:40] <rick_h_> heh, I'm not sure what that is either lol
[18:42] <rick_h_> http://momjian.us/main/blogs/pgblog/2011.html#July_26_2011
[18:42] <rick_h_> lol
[18:42] <Blazeix> gamerchick02: that doesn't stop snap-l's new boss
[18:42] <gamerchick02> wow.
[18:42] <gamerchick02> so is he a pointy-haired one?
[18:43] <rick_h_> *sigh* someone send me here pls: http://py.codeconf.com/
[18:43] <rick_h_> jcastro: how far are you from miami?
[18:47] <binbrain> rick_h_: $500 for a 2 dayer, I think they're trying to keep out the riff raff
[18:47] <rick_h_> binbrain: yea, I know
[18:47] <rick_h_> which makes me want to go more!
[18:47] <Blazeix> rick_h_ is falling to what we call the "apple effect"
[18:48] <rick_h_> but but but...
[18:49] <rick_h_> all the cool kids are going to be there
[18:50] <rick_h_> man, $500 for the conference, $180/night for the hotel
[18:50] <rick_h_> costing more than pycon at this point
[18:52] <brousch> mitsuhiko 2:29pm via Twitter for Mac: I will be at @PyCodeConf. Some speakers were just announced:http://t.co/x28oIvL
[18:52] <Milyardo> $500? What are they giving you that cost $500?
[18:52] <Milyardo> Will there be python powered robot death matches or something?
[18:53] <rick_h_> one can only hope!
[18:56] <rick_h_> snap-l: waldo323_ is mug a 501c3?
[18:57] <rick_h_> I know they were checking into it at one point
[18:57] <waldo323_> not at this point
[18:57] <Blazeix> last I heard it wasn't
[18:57] <rick_h_> bah, ok
[18:57] <Milyardo> Pythonmorphism versus The Egg Breaker live @ PyCodeConf!
[18:57] <Milyardo> sounds awesome
[18:58] <waldo323_> i haven't read up yet are you checking to see if you're a member of a 501c3?
[18:58] <rick_h_> waldo323_: is mug a 501c3 non profit ?
[18:58] <rick_h_> sounds like not likely
[18:59] <waldo323_> mug isn't 501c3
[18:59] <rick_h_> well booo, there went that idea
[19:00] <rick_h_> work is doing a program to encourage people to do some charity work.
[19:00] <waldo323_> ah, what is linux foundation?
[19:00] <rick_h_> 8hrs of PTO and $300 for the charity if you can get 3 staff or more to go to an event and take pictures
[19:00] <waldo323_> ah, what about i3detroit?
[19:00] <rick_h_> not sure I can get 2 other staff there
[19:01] <waldo323_> they were closer to getting the 501c3 status than we were
[19:02] <rick_h_> yea, doesn't look like it. They've got a 'help wanted' for legal service to help setup the 501c3
[19:03] <rick_h_> http://www.humblebundle.com/#3
[19:03] <rick_h_> get your game on everyone
[19:06] <gamerchick02> http://gamerchick02.tumblr.com/post/8093050878/my-top-5-artists-week-ending-2011-7-24 my top artists are beautiful
[19:06] <snap-l> gamerchick02: My new boss is a she
[19:06] <snap-l> and she's a micromanaging project manager type
[19:06] <gamerchick02> no. i do not need more games. >_< YOU ARE NOT HELPING, rick_h_
[19:06] <gamerchick02> ick, sorry, snap-l
[19:06] <snap-l> drives me absolutely bat-shut insane
[19:07] <gamerchick02> bat shut?
[19:07] <snap-l> Bat Shit
[19:07] <snap-l> I can't type
[19:07] <gamerchick02> anyway, i'm sorry about that. not all women are micromanagers
[19:07] <gamerchick02> i'm afraid i would be one; that's why i never want to manage other
[19:07] <gamerchick02> others, rather
[19:07] <snap-l> Oh I know. I've had great bosses, both male and female
[19:07] <snap-l> and I have had some that I want to kick to the curb
[19:08] <gamerchick02> yeah, same here
[19:08] <snap-l> I don't deal well with people who feel it necessary to show that they're doing something
[19:08] <snap-l> the work speaks for itself.
[19:08] <gamerchick02> re humble indie bundle, i love the proportion that pays the most.
[19:08] <gamerchick02> yeah, the work speaks for itself but sometimes some people are happier that they have checkins
[19:09] <gamerchick02> and it works for me too, because then i get feedback on what exactly they want me to do
[19:09] <snap-l> Checkins are fine
[19:09] <gamerchick02> the only thing worse than someone who hovers over your shoulder is someone who's vague as hell about what they want.
[19:09] <ColonelPanic001> now that I think of it, I don't know that I've ever had a female supervisor since I worked retail
[19:09] <ColonelPanic001> I guess I haven't, really
[19:10] <gamerchick02> i had a female supervisor at Dow Auto. she didn't want me to go into engineering, just stay as a tech
[19:10] <gamerchick02> one of the reasons i'm fucked now
[19:10] <snap-l> The thing that's driving me the most nuts is I'm supposed to be doing a knowledge transfer next week in IL
[19:10] <ColonelPanic001> mind meld?
[19:10] <gamerchick02> but also, i didn't have the (proverbial) balls to tell her to fuck off and to let me do what i want.
[19:11] <gamerchick02> proverbially.
[19:11] <snap-l> Which would be fine and good, save for a) some people already know what I know, and b) she's invited half the fucking company, who couldn't care less.
[19:11] <gamerchick02> ick
[19:11] <gamerchick02> that's annoying when there are too many people involved.
[19:11] <snap-l> It's informal, but she wants slides
[19:11] <snap-l> I'm half tempted to let my sarcastic side go nuts, but I really can't be fucked to care.
[19:12] <ColonelPanic001> make one slide, just with  your name
[19:12] <snap-l> Or several slides that just happen to be my resume.
[19:13] <ColonelPanic001> yes
[19:13] <ColonelPanic001> ending with "please help"
[19:13] <ColonelPanic001> "feel free to email this slideshow around"
[19:13] <gamerchick02> lol
[19:16] <jjesse> some lady named julie jesse just forwarded her work travel information from her work account to her personal gmail account, except she had my email address
[19:16] <jjesse> so now i know exactly where she is traveling etc
[19:16] <rick_h_> oops
[19:16] <rick_h_> stalker enabling isn't good
[19:17] <gamerchick02> oh, my god, is this ever good.
[19:17] <gamerchick02> Woodchuck's 802
[19:20] <jjesse> including the hotel she's staying
[19:20] <jjesse> now i can really stalk her
[19:25] <gamerchick02> oooh.
[19:25] <gamerchick02> i've sent replies to people who've sent me private information... "I think you have the wrong email address."
[19:26] <gamerchick02> sometimes I get embarrassed replies
[19:28] <ColonelPanic001> gamerchick02: Woodchuck's 802?
[19:29] <gamerchick02> yes. hard cider
[19:29] <gamerchick02> got it in a variety pack at meijer. good stuff
[19:33] <ColonelPanic001> I've had their "regular" and Granny Smith, never heard of 802
[19:36] <gamerchick02> it's in the variety box. sooooooooooo good
[19:39] <gamerchick02> irony is when you go out but the places you went aren't on foursquare.
[19:39] <gamerchick02> oh, i'm gamerchick02 on foursquare if anyone wants to play the location game with me.
[19:46] <gamerchick02> have you guys seen The Brads today? http://bradcolbow.com/archive/view/the_brads_this_is_why_your_newspaper_is_dying/#When:09:36:49Z
[19:46] <gamerchick02> +1 to all of that.
[19:47] <ColonelPanic001> >_>
[19:47] <ColonelPanic001> never heard of the brads
[19:52] <gamerchick02> it's a webcomic
[19:53] <gamerchick02> i thought i found it in here.
[19:53] <gamerchick02> maybe snap-l sent it. i can't remember
[19:53] <brousch> web comic? probably snap-l
[19:54] <gamerchick02> probably
[19:54] <gamerchick02> it was when the drm one came out, i thik
[20:19] <snap-l> I love how a large company can have so much useless documentation.
[20:20] <gamerchick02> most large companies have useless docs
[20:24] <ColonelPanic001> I seem to have the opposite problem, often.
[20:24] <snap-l> Too many good docs?
[20:24] <gamerchick02> not enough documentation?
[20:24] <Milyardo> Useless as in its relevence has been lost, or useless as in its never been relevent to begin with?
[20:25] <snap-l> Useless as in the install instructions assume you have a copy of it already.
[20:26] <gamerchick02> what?
[20:26] <gamerchick02> that's dumb
[20:26] <snap-l> Yep
[20:26] <gamerchick02> but then again, i'm a dumb mechanical engineer, what do i know?
[20:26] <snap-l> I think I'm going to just mine bitcoins
[20:26] <gamerchick02> maybe i should do that for income.
[20:27] <Milyardo> "You should contact your System Administrator concerning the installation of this application." I am the SysAdmin! D: What do?
[20:27] <gamerchick02> LOL
[20:27] <gamerchick02> contact God. he would know.
[20:28] <gamerchick02> god is your sysadmin? :-P
[20:29] <snap-l> Yeah, I love it when Windows says that.
[20:29] <brousch> Milyardo: you go get trained on how to install the software for $2000/day
[20:30] <Milyardo> $2000/day? Why don't I get paid that much for developing said software?
[20:30] <gamerchick02> because you just develop and aren't a "manager"
[20:30] <gamerchick02> ie, you DO something.
[20:37] <Milyardo> So I thought I was demoing an application in development at 2 today. It's 4:40 and I haven't seen another person in the office since 11.
[20:38] <snap-l> Milyardo: How's the demo going? :)
[20:39] <Milyardo> It would have been awesome two hours ago, now I busy refactoring stubbed out methods
[20:39] <Milyardo> should be another hour or so before it even compiles again
[20:40] <snap-l> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/95920/what-is-each-time-through-a-loop-called <- Headdesk
[20:46] <Milyardo> snap-l: Sounds like someone trying to get an question answered for his CompSci 100 class?
[20:46] <snap-l> Yeah, no kiddding
[20:48] <Milyardo> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/96192/how-to-become-good-at-object-oriented-analysis-and-design-ooad
[20:48] <Milyardo> 4 questions in 1
[20:48] <brousch> darnit. i was going to signup to be rick_h_'s pyohio session chair, but someone else has it already
[20:59] <binbrain> I'm confused, all of a sudden my Android has tethering, and it works like a dream
[20:59] <binbrain> I'm trying to figure out when this happened, but everything I see says that its blocked by most carriers and cost extra
[21:00] <brousch> they'll just charge you what they want. don't worry about it
[21:01] <binbrain> I live in NYC, I basically do that for everything now
[21:47] <gamerchick02> maybe it's not blocked by your carrier, binbrain
[22:53] <mattmichielsen> gamerchick02: yes, Gentex is hiring, pay is on par with a lot of others on this side of the state
[22:53] <gamerchick02> k
[22:54] <mattmichielsen> all kinds of different engineering positions
[22:54] <gamerchick02> i've already applied to a bunch of their positions
[22:54] <gamerchick02> never got callbacks
[22:54] <mattmichielsen> how long ago?
[22:54] <gamerchick02> it's just nobody ever calls or emails me back
[22:54] <gamerchick02> dunno
[22:54] <mattmichielsen> we just doubled our HR department, mostly new recruiters
[22:55] <mattmichielsen> growing like crazy
[22:55] <brousch> hey, mattmichielsen woke up!
[22:55] <gamerchick02> wow. HR. ok.
[22:55] <mattmichielsen> finally logged into my server with screen/irssi
[22:55] <brousch> hehe
[22:55]  * gamerchick02 doesn't put much stock in HR, sorry. i've been screwed by them.
[22:55] <brousch> i'm finding more recruits for you
[22:56] <mattmichielsen> i haven't set up a firewall rule to get to this box from the outside world yet since i started using linux as a router
[22:59] <mattmichielsen> a lot of the new HR guys are pretty cool, some of them worked with me in production support
[22:59] <brousch> i assume you're hiring HR guys because you're more actual workers
[23:00] <mattmichielsen> right
[23:00] <mattmichielsen> https://tbe.taleo.net/NA4/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=GENTEX&cws=1&rid=8
[23:01] <mattmichielsen> That's pretty much where most people start these days
[23:01] <mattmichielsen> i started in this position way back in 2001 or so: https://tbe.taleo.net/NA4/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=GENTEX&cws=1&rid=645
[23:02] <gamerchick02> i don't program. it's not a strength of mine. never has been
[23:02] <gamerchick02> probably never will be.
[23:03] <mattmichielsen> that's cool, the first one i posted is definitely worth checking out
[23:03] <mattmichielsen> if you want a for-sure callback, pm me your name
[23:03] <mattmichielsen> if you've applied for anything before, you'll be in HRs system
[23:03] <gamerchick02> first one requires a CS degree. I'm a ME
[23:04] <mattmichielsen> most people we hire for that job are MEs
[23:04] <gamerchick02> i took pascal and got nothing out of it. then they dropped all programming form the ME degree after i suffered through that torturous class.
[23:05] <gamerchick02> from rather
[23:05] <gamerchick02> ok
[23:05] <mattmichielsen> the Production Support Engineer job is not programming-related
[23:05] <mattmichielsen> it's our entry-level engineering spot
[23:05] <mattmichielsen> people move from there to more technical stuff or into management
[23:09] <gamerchick02> will i be doing mechanical engineering stuff related to parts or plastics design? i'm NOT an HVAC engineer (if i was i'd have a job but i'd cry every night because it's so damn boring)
[23:09] <gamerchick02> nor am i qualified to be an HVAC engineer (the thermo branch of stuff is not my strong suit)
[23:11] <gamerchick02> i've applied for it.
[23:12] <mattmichielsen> it's more production support, but most people who want to do ME type stuff move into process engineering in 6 months to a year
[23:13] <gamerchick02> i'm more into product stuff, but i guess beggars can't be choosers.
[23:15] <mattmichielsen> usually people move into product stuff after a couple years of process engineering
[23:15] <gamerchick02> ah. paying dues thing. i get it.
[23:15] <rick_h_> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/state_web_summer
[23:15] <gamerchick02> i was a slave when i was in school, i know the drill. ;) (kettering university broke me)
[23:15] <rick_h_> <3 the MS + facebook bit
[23:15] <gamerchick02> so do i. saw that, it was awesome.
[23:30] <rick_h_> lol http://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/comments/j0lw1/has_anyone_reverse_engineered_the_add_to_circles/
[23:30] <rick_h_> Blazeix: you have that done right? ^^
[23:34] <snap-l> Pfft
[23:37] <gamerchick02> i've got another person interested in Ubuntu...
[23:37]  * gamerchick02 does a happydance
[23:38] <jjesse> yay?
[23:38] <gamerchick02> yeah.
[23:38] <gamerchick02> very yay :)
[23:40] <rick_h_> ok, ordered 4 new usb sticks for putting tutorial files on before the talk
[23:40] <rick_h_> that should be enough right?
[23:41] <snap-l> Y'know, my Dad was talking about having Ubuntu on his new laptop
[23:41] <snap-l> he really likes it.
[23:42] <snap-l> rick_h_: LMK if you need some more USB keys
[23:42] <snap-l> I have a few if you need them
[23:43] <rick_h_> snap-l: ok, cool
[23:44] <rick_h_> I just planne don getting some small cheap ones, nothing I don't mind walking away kind of thing
[23:46] <gamerchick02> snap-l, that's cool