| raul_ | great! | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| raul_ | thanks for the tip | 00:00 |
| knome | no problem | 00:00 |
| knome | that's a quite new project also | 00:00 |
| raul_ | the only problem is the title of window is not correctly aligned | 00:01 |
| raul_ | unless I put all buttons in window (shade, stick, max, min and close) | 00:01 |
| raul_ | I couldn't find a solution for this... | 00:02 |
| knome | i suppose that's never right in the center if you don't have the same amount of buttons in both sides | 00:02 |
| knome | i don't think you can affect that within the theme, it's in the xfwm code | 00:02 |
| knome | to find that out, maybe ask in #xfce-dev | 00:03 |
| raul_ | I think the same way | 00:03 |
| * ochosi starts reading the log | 00:03 | |
| knome | OOOH | 00:03 |
| knome | the ochosi | 00:03 |
| knome | you didn't go to holiday then? :P | 00:03 |
| raul_ | oh! I forgot something: the css3 code that I made is a little messy D: | 00:05 |
| raul_ | I'm not very good in Inkscape, so I had to do the graphics of rain theme in html and CSS | 00:06 |
| ochosi | knome: i'm leaving tomorrow (to shorten the backlog) | 00:06 |
| knome | hehe | 00:06 |
| ochosi | the xfwm theme doesn't look bad at all | 00:06 |
| knome | raul_, so there is ochosi/simon ^ !! | 00:06 |
| raul_ | hi :) | 00:07 |
| ochosi | the buttons are a bit big, but i like the shades | 00:07 |
| ochosi | hey raul_ | 00:07 |
| knome | ochosi, it's quite like the old albatross, right? | 00:07 |
| raul_ | I plan to make a black variant also | 00:07 |
| ochosi | hmyeah, actually one problem that catches my eye is that the minimize button and the menu-button are the same | 00:07 |
| ochosi | that | 00:07 |
| ochosi | that's not a very good idea imo | 00:08 |
| raul_ | yes :( | 00:08 |
| ochosi | raul_: does the theme pick up gtk-colors? | 00:08 |
| raul_ | I do not know what to put in menu button :( | 00:08 |
| raul_ | hm no... D: | 00:08 |
| ochosi | k, well that can be dealt with later (color-pickup) | 00:09 |
| raul_ | I used gcolor2 and I was looking in it until I find a good color | 00:09 |
| raul_ | then I got this mix of blue and gray | 00:09 |
| ochosi | mhm, it should be no problem to do that with color-pickup | 00:10 |
| ochosi | it's a bit of work, but then the xfwm theme will also work with other themes/colors | 00:10 |
| raul_ | I was thinking about removing the menu button because if you right-click it window the popup appears | 00:10 |
| ochosi | yeah, well, that's not really the point :) | 00:11 |
| raul_ | in window* | 00:11 |
| ochosi | i think that a theme for xfwm should be complete, because users might change the default setup | 00:11 |
| raul_ | hmm | 00:11 |
| knome | agreed with ochosi | 00:11 |
| raul_ | was also thinking of another icon because it looks like the minimize button | 00:12 |
| ochosi | in your setup it's clear which is the menu button and which is minimize, but everyone can change the button order by d'n'd (and that's a good thing) | 00:12 |
| ochosi | another thing: what happens when you reorder the maximize/minimize/close buttons? | 00:12 |
| ochosi | (i mean visually) | 00:12 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: I started the panel review on the ML | 00:13 |
| raul_ | It looks a bit strange :(, I do not know, but xfwm has a limitation on the "padding" button, I'll try to see it | 00:13 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: yeah, just saw that. thanks! | 00:13 |
| ochosi | raul_: what padding button? (not sure i get it) | 00:13 |
| raul_ | The problem is the rounded corners | 00:14 |
| ochosi | rounded corner of the window? | 00:14 |
| ochosi | or of the buttons | 00:14 |
| raul_ | if all buttons be square, the bug is fixed | 00:14 |
| ochosi | ah, right | 00:14 |
| ochosi | well there are also other things you can do, e.g. only show that 3d-ish border on hover | 00:14 |
| ochosi | or only make the close-button stand out | 00:15 |
| raul_ | but square buttons looks strange too, it doesn't combine with the rounded corners of the window | 00:15 |
| ochosi | yeah, i agree, the effect is nice | 00:15 |
| ochosi | but it comes at a price | 00:15 |
| ochosi | (oh wow, am i speaking in rhymes?) | 00:15 |
| knome | haha | 00:15 |
| knome | artists... | 00:16 |
| knome | ;) | 00:16 |
| ochosi | yeah, i guess it's because i'm sober ;) | 00:16 |
| knome | hah, !drunkard | 00:16 |
| knome | ;) | 00:16 |
| ochosi | raul_: what are your thoughts on the "-" and "+" greybird uses for maximize and minimize? | 00:16 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah, we should really get the bot back in #shimmer! | 00:17 |
| knome | ochosi, i was having some rum earlier... :) | 00:17 |
| raul_ | I will send another screenshot | 00:17 |
| raul_ | http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2821/screenshot0725201109160.png | 00:17 |
| raul_ | (the focus button) | 00:17 |
| ochosi | that's on hover? | 00:17 |
| raul_ | pressed | 00:17 |
| ochosi | ah | 00:17 |
| knome | this theme maybe reminds me of windows vista somehow | 00:17 |
| raul_ | :P | 00:17 |
| knome | the not-completely square buttons | 00:17 |
| ochosi | would you mind just sending me the theme via email, so i can test it a bit? | 00:17 |
| ochosi | yeah, it's pretty vista-ish ;) | 00:17 |
| raul_ | I think about increase the inset shadow | 00:17 |
| ochosi | with this i guess people would be bitch-slapping us for looking like mac *and* windows | 00:18 |
| raul_ | this theme is inspired in old longhorn themes and the buttons of google chrome in Windows | 00:18 |
| ochosi | mhm, i see | 00:18 |
| raul_ | and equinox too | 00:19 |
| ochosi | what i like is the separator between menubar and window-borders | 00:19 |
| knome | mm | 00:19 |
| ochosi | and the bg-gradient | 00:19 |
| raul_ | :) | 00:19 |
| ochosi | that could even work with the current greybird-buttons | 00:20 |
| knome | huh? | 00:20 |
| ochosi | i mean adding a separator between menubar and window-controls/borders | 00:21 |
| raul_ | oh! I forgot, the hover buttons: http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9222/screenshot0725201109200.png | 00:21 |
| knome | ochosi, mm | 00:21 |
| raul_ | (this is the css version) | 00:21 |
| ochosi | mhm | 00:21 |
| ochosi | i'm thinking maybe we can have the window-border with separator on active windows and merged (as in the current greybird theme) in inactive windows | 00:22 |
| ochosi | (yes yes, i know we've been there...) | 00:22 |
| knome | haha | 00:22 |
| raul_ | yes, I pa | 00:23 |
| raul_ | planned* | 00:23 |
| raul_ | to make a gtk theme for this xfwm theme | 00:23 |
| raul_ | but I don't know about gtk 2 \: | 00:23 |
| ochosi | knome: well, now that lubuntu is closing in on us theme-wise again, i guess it's a good idea to take a step ahead into the past ;) | 00:23 |
| knome | haha | 00:23 |
| raul_ | and "merge" the window and menubar | 00:23 |
| raul_ | like shiki-colors, elementary, ambiance theme and equinox | 00:23 |
| ochosi | raul_: merging them is not too hard | 00:24 |
| ochosi | but first thing you should do for that is support xfwm's gtk-color pickup | 00:24 |
| ochosi | which means you have to have xpm and png icons for every button | 00:24 |
| ochosi | (twice the icons, twice the work to draw/maintain) | 00:24 |
| raul_ | hmm | 00:24 |
| raul_ | http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5691/buttongm.png | 00:25 |
| raul_ | this is the pressed buttons of min and max | 00:25 |
| ochosi | i like that more than the pressed button of close | 00:25 |
| knome | mm | 00:25 |
| ochosi | the light reddish color looks a bit like you couldn't decide between going red or not :) | 00:26 |
| knome | ochosi, something like this is what i kind of tried to achieve with the new albatross buttons | 00:26 |
| raul_ | so, I make all buttons with blue color? (hover and pressed?) | 00:26 |
| ochosi | raul_: no, maybe make the red a tad stronger | 00:26 |
| ochosi | knome: if you want we can work more on them when i'm back | 00:26 |
| raul_ | hover or pressed? or the two? | 00:26 |
| ochosi | raul_: don't think i've seen hover of the close-button | 00:26 |
| knome | ochosi, yeah, whenever you have time :) | 00:27 |
| ochosi | raul_: +only | 00:27 |
| ochosi | err | 00:27 |
| ochosi | i'm getting tired... | 00:27 |
| raul_ | fine :) http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4670/closez.png | 00:27 |
| raul_ | this is the hover of close | 00:28 |
| ochosi | mhm | 00:28 |
| raul_ | or I already sent this? | 00:28 |
| raul_ | oO I forgot | 00:28 |
| ochosi | nope, don't think so | 00:28 |
| knome | i'm not sure if i like the red hue | 00:28 |
| knome | it's a bit dirty, while the other colors look like metallic or something like that | 00:28 |
| ochosi | ok, if you look at the hover of max and min and close, the max/min is 1) a lot more saturated and 2) has a different gradient/glow | 00:28 |
| ochosi | that should be more consistent | 00:29 |
| raul_ | and if the close button be blue too? | 00:29 |
| raul_ | hmmm | 00:31 |
| ochosi | probably, then it's less vista-ish i guess | 00:31 |
| raul_ | fine, I'll change :) | 00:32 |
| raul_ | thanks | 00:32 |
| knome | if it's blue too, then it won't have the contrast to the other buttons any more | 00:32 |
| ochosi | np, i'm just telling you what i think :) | 00:32 |
| knome | it might be white as well | 00:32 |
| raul_ | hm D: | 00:32 |
| raul_ | maybe orange? | 00:33 |
| raul_ | hm, no D: | 00:33 |
| raul_ | or navy blue | 00:33 |
| raul_ | Well, if I rearrange the buttons (max, min and close), some of them don't have the side edge. I tried to put a negative value in the "spacing button" but didn't work | 00:37 |
| raul_ | button spacing, I mean | 00:37 |
| ochosi | mhm | 00:38 |
| ochosi | don't think there's much you can do about that | 00:39 |
| raul_ | http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/991/closeminmax.png I don't have any idea how to fix this \: | 00:40 |
| ochosi | raul_: as i said, i don't think it's really fixable | 00:40 |
| raul_ | oh, sorry | 00:40 |
| ochosi | btw, you can test the changes i did (and am doing) to greybird by downloading it from our git-repository | 00:41 |
| raul_ | is this repository https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird right? | 00:42 |
| knome | raul_, yes | 00:42 |
| raul_ | the xubuntu 11.10 will come with gtk 3? | 00:42 |
| raul_ | (thanks) | 00:42 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu 11.10 will use gtk2, but we have to include gtk3 for the parts we borrow from Ubuntu | 00:43 |
| charlie-tca | It's kind of complicated. | 00:43 |
| ochosi | it basically means we have to have two themes, one for gtk2 and one for gtk3 apps | 00:44 |
| raul_ | that's why I decided to don't start making a gtk theme for this xfwm theme, because I don't know if I'd use 3 or GK2 | 00:44 |
| raul_ | gtk 3 or 2 | 00:44 |
| raul_ | gtk2 I know a bit | 00:45 |
| raul_ | but some engines like murrine, no :( | 00:45 |
| raul_ | hm, the github is very slow today, 6.0 kb/s | 00:46 |
| ochosi | lucky for you the tarball isn't very large ;) | 00:47 |
| raul_ | :P | 00:48 |
| raul_ | 4 min left, but chrome can't finish the download | 00:48 |
| ochosi | pff, that's annoying | 00:48 |
| ochosi | are you sure it's github's fault? | 00:48 |
| raul_ | I think yes :( 'cause my other downloads are normal | 00:48 |
| raul_ | (I pause them) | 00:49 |
| raul_ | 8 min :| | 00:49 |
| raul_ | I think is the https | 00:49 |
| raul_ | hm, the download failed | 00:50 |
| ochosi | weird | 00:50 |
| ochosi | works fine for me... | 00:50 |
| raul_ | I removed the "https" | 00:50 |
| raul_ | and is 27 kb/s now | 00:50 |
| ochosi | https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tarball/master | 00:50 |
| ochosi | did you use this address? | 00:50 |
| raul_ | yes | 00:50 |
| ochosi | hmkay | 00:51 |
| raul_ | but if I put the https | 00:51 |
| raul_ | I can't download | 00:51 |
| ochosi | to the worst try again later/tomorrow | 00:52 |
| raul_ | looks very great! | 00:52 |
| raul_ | I like the main colour | 00:52 |
| raul_ | and the panels | 00:52 |
| ochosi | thanks | 00:53 |
| ochosi | nice to hear | 00:53 |
| raul_ | a inset shadow in the button of active window would be great in my opinion | 00:53 |
| raul_ | like ambiance | 00:54 |
| ochosi | how exactly? | 00:54 |
| raul_ | http://design.canonical.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/theme_image04.png | 00:55 |
| raul_ | Like this | 00:55 |
| raul_ | see the "broadcast" button | 00:55 |
| ochosi | still not sure i get it. what exactly? | 00:56 |
| ochosi | oh | 00:56 |
| ochosi | you mean on the panel? | 00:56 |
| raul_ | the shadow :) | 00:56 |
| raul_ | of the active window button | 00:56 |
| ochosi | yeah, but on the panel :) | 00:56 |
| raul_ | yes:) | 00:56 |
| ochosi | i thought you were talking about window-buttons | 00:56 |
| raul_ | I like the albatross panel buttons too | 00:56 |
| ochosi | yeah, that could look nice, i'll consider it | 00:57 |
| raul_ | the albatross panel buttons have more details | 00:57 |
| raul_ | I tried to make a modification of greybird with the albatross panels but I don't know | 00:57 |
| raul_ | I couldn't to this, I think is because of the difference of the gtk engines | 00:58 |
| ochosi | greybird generally uses a very flat panel style | 00:58 |
| ochosi | nope, they both use murrine for that afaik | 00:58 |
| raul_ | strange .-. | 00:58 |
| raul_ | the xubuntu 11.10 will have the overlay scrollbars too? | 00:59 |
| ochosi | probably not by default | 01:00 |
| raul_ | so, I can send my xfwm theme via e-mail? | 01:01 |
| raul_ | I can upload in skydrive/mediafire too | 01:01 |
| ochosi | no, email is better | 01:01 |
| raul_ | xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com, right? | 01:02 |
| ochosi | hm, yeah, if you want it to be public, then send it to the mailing-list | 01:02 |
| raul_ | Hm... which another e-mail I can send? | 01:03 |
| knome | simon@ & pasi@shimmerproject.org | 01:03 |
| ochosi | you can also send it to me if you like :) | 01:03 |
| ochosi | knome posted his and my email addr avobe | 01:04 |
| ochosi | arr, above | 01:04 |
| knome | adobe?! | 01:04 |
| raul_ | thanks I sent the e-mail | 01:06 |
| raul_ | with the css file too | 01:06 |
| ochosi | k, thanks! | 01:06 |
| knome | thanks | 01:06 |
| raul_ | :) I find a hack to get the buttons with the window line | 01:07 |
| raul_ | I left a blank space in active close/max/min button | 01:07 |
| knome | raul_, so if we will use some of your work, what name should we use in the attribution, and what license too? | 01:07 |
| raul_ | GPL (I use greybird xfwm theme for this) | 01:07 |
| raul_ | and "Raul de Sousa" | 01:08 |
| knome | okay, thanks | 01:08 |
| raul_ | I don't have twitter, and this e-mail is not my main e-mail | 01:08 |
| raul_ | I pretend to migrate to g-mail soon | 01:08 |
| knome | hehe | 01:08 |
| ochosi | raul_: hm, the buttons feel a bit bulky and big tbh | 01:08 |
| raul_ | I don't like hotmail D: | 01:08 |
| ochosi | and the color doesn't match the new greybird-blue :) | 01:08 |
| knome | if you are changing your email, can you send mail from that when you've migrated, so we'lll get the right address too | 01:09 |
| raul_ | hmm, which colour I can use? | 01:09 |
| raul_ | a light colour? | 01:09 |
| ochosi | either implement gtk-color pickup (as previously mentioned) or redraw all the icons each time the colors in the gtk theme change by hand :) | 01:09 |
| ochosi | that's approximately the options you have | 01:09 |
| ochosi | unless you decide to keep the colors static, no matter what theme is used | 01:10 |
| raul_ | hmm, so I will modify the css code and print the page again | 01:10 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's also an option | 01:10 |
| raul_ | but I don't understand the gtk color pickup yet :( | 01:10 |
| raul_ | can you explain please? | 01:10 |
| raul_ | about the gtk* | 01:10 |
| ochosi | k, it's not that difficult: | 01:10 |
| raul_ | I'm a novice in themes | 01:11 |
| ochosi | you create an xpm-version of each button, then you edit the xpm-file (that you created e.g. in gimp) with a text-editor and edit the line that contains the main bg-color | 01:11 |
| ochosi | you can read about how to do that step here: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/xfwm4_theme | 01:12 |
| raul_ | xpm can be edited in a text-editor? o_O | 01:12 |
| ochosi | yes | 01:12 |
| raul_ | I didn't know that | 01:12 |
| ochosi | xpm is kinda oldschool, but very cool | 01:12 |
| raul_ | interesting | 01:12 |
| ochosi | so that's the first part | 01:12 |
| raul_ | but why I have to do this with the theme? | 01:12 |
| raul_ | is something like rgb colours etc? | 01:12 |
| ochosi | obviously you can take almost any color from the gtk-theme and then your xfwm theme will "pick up" the color you selected from the gtk-theme you're using at the moment | 01:13 |
| ochosi | meaning: it will change when you switch themes | 01:13 |
| ochosi | chameleon-style | 01:13 |
| raul_ | so I have to make png files too, right? | 01:14 |
| raul_ | but xfwm doesn't use them :| | 01:14 |
| ochosi | yes, because with xpm there's a problem: no antialiasing and no transparency | 01:15 |
| raul_ | example: the rounded corners window, doesn't have a anti-aliasing | 01:15 |
| ochosi | you mean the edges? | 01:15 |
| ochosi | yeah, the edges aren't 100% smooth | 01:15 |
| ochosi | but that's mostly a rendering issue of xwfm's compositor, there's nothing you can do about that (as a themer) | 01:16 |
| raul_ | so I have to edit only the parts that contain active_hilight_2, active_color_2 etc? | 01:16 |
| ochosi | you can only adjust the rounded corners to either dark or light background | 01:16 |
| ochosi | well... | 01:17 |
| ochosi | you can start with that | 01:17 |
| raul_ | or everything? | 01:17 |
| raul_ | omg :P | 01:17 |
| ochosi | but e.g. for the gradient in the title, you have to do something else | 01:17 |
| ochosi | there you have to create an xpm that is flat (only a single color) | 01:17 |
| ochosi | then you create a transparent gradient in gimp and save that as png | 01:18 |
| ochosi | that'll serve as overlay to create the actual gradient | 01:18 |
| ochosi | and since the png overlays the xpm you'll then get a gradient on your window that can change background color | 01:18 |
| raul_ | But if I leave my theme as it is, it will happen some bug in xfwm-compositor? | 01:18 |
| ochosi | it works like with layers in gimp | 01:18 |
| ochosi | no | 01:18 |
| ochosi | you can also leave your theme as is | 01:19 |
| ochosi | but then it won't adjust to color changes | 01:19 |
| ochosi | (auto-adjust) | 01:19 |
| raul_ | ahh! now I understand it :P | 01:19 |
| raul_ | finally | 01:19 |
| raul_ | like elementary xfwm theme? | 01:19 |
| knome | heh :) | 01:19 |
| ochosi | just an example, try greybird's xfwm theme with a dark gtktheme | 01:19 |
| raul_ | I notice that it changed to black when I apply a theme here | 01:19 |
| ochosi | yeah, actually i did that theme ;) | 01:19 |
| raul_ | :D | 01:20 |
| ochosi | but anyhoo, yeah, also like elementary's xfwm | 01:20 |
| ochosi | k, since that's clear now i'll leave you :) | 01:20 |
| raul_ | I will study the xpm in this weekend, because I don't have so much time available :( | 01:20 |
| ochosi | have fun and good night everyone! | 01:20 |
| knome | night simon! | 01:21 |
| knome | have a nice holiday | 01:21 |
| raul_ | good night and thanks! | 01:21 |
| ochosi | raul_: yeah, no rush with anything, i won't be back till next week ;) | 01:21 |
| ochosi | knome: thanks, see ya! | 01:21 |
| knome | ochosi, tue? | 01:21 |
| ochosi | yup | 01:21 |
| knome | okay, see you then! | 01:21 |
| raul_ | ok, thanks again! | 01:21 |
| knome | raul_, you're welcome :) | 01:21 |
| * ochosi waves | 01:21 | |
| knome | \o/ | 01:22 |
| knome | | | 01:22 |
| knome | /'\ | 01:22 |
| knome | bye | 01:22 |
| * ochosi loves knome's ascii art | 01:22 | |
| knome | hihi | 01:22 |
| knome | me too | 01:22 |
| ochosi | and i'm off... | 01:22 |
| raul_ | :P | 01:22 |
| raul_ | I will leave too | 01:24 |
| raul_ | goodbye and thanks :) | 01:24 |
| knome | raul_, bye, and see you too | 01:24 |
| raul_ | hey! I have a question about IRC | 01:25 |
| knome | sure | 01:25 |
| raul_ | I didn't understand the ISP e-mail address in my profile | 01:25 |
| knome | right | 01:25 |
| raul_ | I never used the irc before, today is my first day on it | 01:25 |
| raul_ | I'm a bit paranoic with security | 01:26 |
| knome | the username (before @) is what your username in the machine is, and the part after @ is your address | 01:26 |
| knome | if you want to hide that, you probably want a cloak | 01:26 |
| raul_ | hmm, but why I'm the only who have my username as my machine? | 01:26 |
| raul_ | oh, well | 01:27 |
| knome | huh? | 01:27 |
| knome | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks <- on cloacks | 01:27 |
| knome | -c | 01:27 |
| raul_ | hm thanks! | 01:27 |
| knome | in most irc clients, you can set the username to whatever you want | 01:27 |
| knome | (the part before @) | 01:28 |
| raul_ | but this don't have any problem? | 01:28 |
| knome | yeah, many people irc with no cloaks and username as is | 01:28 |
| knome | but if you want, you can get the cloak to hide your host address | 01:29 |
| raul_ | i'm back | 01:30 |
| raul_ | sorry, my HD is broken so xchat froze | 01:30 |
| knome | a-ha | 01:30 |
| knome | now your ip shows | 01:31 |
| raul_ | omg DD: | 01:31 |
| raul_ | I'm so paranoic | 01:31 |
| knome | that's actually something you can't control, without that cloak | 01:31 |
| raul_ | how can I hide this? I didn't understand yet | 01:31 |
| knome | read the question in http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks | 01:31 |
| raul_ | so I will not come back anymore | 01:31 |
| raul_ | well, good bye D: | 01:32 |
| charlie-tca | Kubuntu is dropping gtk3 off their cd's tomorrow | 02:57 |
| Unit193 | That's a little too much for scroll back, anyone mind my lazyness and give me the jist of the raul part? :P (Wanting to give a xfwm theme) | 03:32 |
| mr_pouit | the current feedback for the panel layout is "meh". It seems they didn't even look at the layout in natty | 08:34 |
| knome | maybe somebody should send a screenshot of the default natty panels in the ML then | 09:52 |
| mr_pouit | micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/652408/ (diff of the manifest file between alpha2 and today) so pinyin is probably the culprit | 12:57 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: is there a way for me to do that or do you just have local copies? | 14:28 |
| mr_pouit | of the manifest? I took them from cdimages.ubuntu.com | 14:44 |
| madnick | I've looked deep into Plymouth, its all very smooth and neat, I am formulating a message for the ML about the theme, I will need to talk to the artists about what features they require, what they want animated etc | 15:18 |
| madnick | Here is what it looks like when you use the current bg, i think it looks pretty neat, http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/plymouth.png | 15:18 |
| madnick | ochosi was the artist right? | 15:18 |
| charlie-tca | yes, ochosi is the artist, but is on holiday for the next week | 15:23 |
| charlie-tca | I like that screenshot | 15:23 |
| madnick | oh okay | 15:25 |
| madnick | I found this on the mailingl ist | 15:26 |
| madnick | http://lehrer.schule.at/goell-pregesbauer//wp-content/xubuntu_logo_suggestion_3.gif | 15:26 |
| madnick | Anyone know who made that? | 15:26 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know, and with knowing, we can't use it | 15:29 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe knome or ochosi will know | 15:30 |
| madnick | yup :) | 15:30 |
| charlie-tca | The problem is, that is an old logo | 15:30 |
| madnick | oh okay | 15:30 |
| charlie-tca | We no longer use that one | 15:30 |
| charlie-tca | Here are the new ones - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork | 15:31 |
| madnick | I'm not sure what to put in the email :( | 15:37 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: ah, right, alpha2 is there as well as the daily :) | 15:37 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: something along the lines of: | 15:42 |
| charlie-tca | I am designing a new plymouth screen for Xubuntu. Here is what I have so far, what else should be in this? | 15:43 |
| madnick | okay, well, if the artist wishes, he could really get free hands and ill just code, otherwise i need to know a few things; should a new background be used instead of xubuntu-greybird? The progressbar, do we want something fancier? FSCK leaves us alot of oppertunities for cool stuff | 15:46 |
| charlie-tca | Those are questions to ask, in the email, then. | 15:46 |
| madnick | yes | 15:46 |
| madnick | :) | 15:46 |
| charlie-tca | Then you get to say what *you* want the artist to animate, too. | 15:47 |
| charlie-tca | point to keep in mind, if we put in a background, it may stay there for a very long time. | 15:48 |
| madnick | :) | 15:48 |
| madnick | yeah | 15:48 |
| pleia2 | charlie-tca: thank you! :) | 17:46 |
| charlie-tca | You are welcome | 17:47 |
| GridCube | good evening | 20:18 |
| GridCube | remember yesterday storm i was telling you about? well it broke lots of electricity lines and i wont be having power there for like 3 days | 20:19 |
| charlie-tca | ouch | 20:23 |
| charlie-tca | That's a pretty bad storm | 20:23 |
| charlie-tca | everybody okay? | 20:28 |
| GridCube | indeed, and it was just like 15 minutes or so | 20:28 |
| GridCube | yep luckly, accordign to the news only one people died at all | 20:29 |
| GridCube | besides that a lot of broken powerlines, thats why they cant restore it quickly, because they fear that some loose cable will cause an accident somewhere | 20:30 |
| charlie-tca | I see. They just want to make sure they find all the breaks, then. | 20:35 |
| GridCube | yep | 20:38 |
| GridCube | i just bought a batery radio XD | 20:38 |
| astraljava | Holy crap! GridCube, where was this? Hope you'll be fine! | 20:41 |
| GridCube | :) it's all fine, it was just a wind storm | 20:42 |
| Unit193 | You think you may get sewer backup? | 20:42 |
| TheSheep | server? | 20:42 |
| Unit193 | sewer = funnels crap away (basically) | 20:43 |
| astraljava | No idea, but sewer backup sounds really exotic. | 20:43 |
| TheSheep | who would backup their sewer contents? %) | 20:44 |
| astraljava | Ahh... yeah. | 20:44 |
| charlie-tca | that was the turtles and cats storm here yesterday | 20:44 |
| charlie-tca | I don't remember it having servers too? | 20:44 |
| astraljava | Yeah yeah. Damn. Didn't think of the sewers at that point. That's... nasty. | 20:44 |
| Unit193 | TheSheep: Nice! :D | 20:44 |
| knome | madnick, the plymouth theme looks nice! we're planning to create a new wallpaper for oneiric, but i suppose changing the BG image isn't too hard (and it's going to be blue too, so it's fine to test this way) | 20:54 |
| knome | madnick, imo we could have a really thin progressbar, that would have the same kind of glowing style than the logo does | 20:54 |
| Unit193 | I didn't even know you could have a progress bar with this one (I know they had it in the working usplash ones) | 20:55 |
| knome | madnick, one possibility is to use the animation used in the uplash earlier, with the "sparks" | 20:55 |
| madnick | :) | 20:56 |
| TheSheep | remember the 'running mouse' xfce logo animation? :) | 20:56 |
| madnick | Thanks | 20:56 |
| knome | madnick, do you need any files for the animation now? | 20:56 |
| madnick | Not yet | 20:56 |
| knome | madnick, or, what kind of file is it supposed to be? png with frames on top of each other maybe? | 20:57 |
| knome | madnick, did you get my idea of the progressbar? | 20:57 |
| madnick | Im reading it now :P I just jumped into IRC :P | 20:57 |
| knome | okey, np | 20:57 |
| knome | (me too) | 20:57 |
| GridCube | i always liked this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Karmic?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=karmic-sparkles-01.ogv | 20:57 |
| madnick | knome: yeah i think i get it | 20:58 |
| knome | okey | 20:58 |
| knome | GridCube, that's the other possibility :) | 20:58 |
| madnick | GridCube: that also works | 20:58 |
| knome | but i think we should go with the bar | 20:59 |
| madnick | that may be a "cleaner" approch | 20:59 |
| knome | yeah, and it doesn't shout "hey, we're just reusing all old stuff here" | 20:59 |
| madnick | :P | 20:59 |
| TheSheep | what's wrong about reusing? | 21:00 |
| madnick | But we could also do alot of things with fsck | 21:00 |
| TheSheep | btw, you could possibly adapt some android startup screens | 21:00 |
| knome | TheSheep, many people might think the project is staleish | 21:00 |
| GridCube | and this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Proposed/AllImages?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=screenshot_1.png | 21:01 |
| knome | madnick, do you have any ideas? | 21:01 |
| GridCube | XD I know, we move on, but the past is awesome too | 21:01 |
| knome | GridCube, uh, that's the old logo | 21:01 |
| TheSheep | knome: the word is "stable" :D | 21:01 |
| charlie-tca | Many also think the project is doing fantastic, though | 21:01 |
| madnick | Well, i had one idea, but its not as clean as yours | 21:01 |
| GridCube | knome: butstillawesome | 21:01 |
| knome | TheSheep, no, there is also "stale" :) | 21:01 |
| knome | GridCube, heh, if you say so ;) | 21:02 |
| madnick | regarding the fsck i dont really know | 21:02 |
| knome | charlie-tca, sure, but we don't want to make people think we might be staleish with our artwork, do we? :) | 21:02 |
| TheSheep | I'm not sure doing a graphics overhaul every release counts as "alive" | 21:02 |
| charlie-tca | I haven't seen anyone indicating that | 21:02 |
| TheSheep | we have to go DEEPER | 21:02 |
| knome | TheSheep, practically it doesn't mean that, but that's how people/users interpret things, sadly | 21:02 |
| TheSheep | knome: pics or didn't happen | 21:03 |
| charlie-tca | since we have new artwork almost every release, I would like to know where those people are that are saying it is "stale" | 21:03 |
| knome | TheSheep, ;) | 21:03 |
| knome | charlie-tca, i was referring to the hypothetical situation that we reused the old usplash animation | 21:03 |
| charlie-tca | Then it is not reality. There is no "stale", and anything we do to plymouth will be new. | 21:04 |
| knome | charlie-tca, exactly, that's what i tried to say. i told we might not want to use the old animation, so that the people wouldn't think the project it stale | 21:05 |
| GridCube | but the mouse running on the wheel is so cute XD | 21:06 |
| charlie-tca | As to new wallpaper, if there is one in the works, it needs to be ready before beta2 | 21:06 |
| charlie-tca | or better, before beta is released | 21:06 |
| knome | charlie-tca, beta2 is when, and when is the ui freeze? | 21:07 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | 21:08 |
| charlie-tca | 25th of August? | 21:08 |
| knome | the ideal situation would be to get it ready before the ui freeze, yeah | 21:08 |
| knome | madnick, would the fsck bring in an another progressbar? | 21:10 |
| madnick | Its hidden atm | 21:11 |
| knome | mm-hmm | 21:11 |
| knome | what about text, how much? | 21:11 |
| madnick | It does bring in text too | 21:11 |
| madnick | But I was planning on rewriting most | 21:12 |
| knome | how much of it? | 21:12 |
| knome | ah, okay! | 21:12 |
| knome | good | 21:12 |
| knome | so we can control that | 21:12 |
| knome | nice | 21:12 |
| madnick | yes we can do whatever is desired :) | 21:12 |
| knome | btw, where did you grab the logo with glow, or did you do it yourself? | 21:12 |
| madnick | Nope thats default | 21:13 |
| knome | right | 21:13 |
| madnick | Then opacity changes | 21:13 |
| knome | mm | 21:13 |
| knome | i wonder where my source files are | 21:13 |
| knome | ;) | 21:13 |
| madnick | /lib/plymouth/themes/foo/bar.script | 21:13 |
| madnick | :] | 21:13 |
| knome | no, i mean for the glowing logo | 21:14 |
| madnick | oh! | 21:14 |
| knome | ah, here it is | 21:14 |
| madnick | are you going to change it? | 21:15 |
| knome | no, not really | 21:15 |
| knome | just working on a mockup | 21:15 |
| madnick | ok | 21:15 |
| madnick | knome: in your mind, how long did you see the progressmeter? | 21:16 |
| madnick | Im thinking not very long | 21:16 |
| knome | maybe a bit less wide than the logo | 21:17 |
| madnick | ah yes same | 21:17 |
| knome | that's actually one of the things i'm looking to now | 21:17 |
| knome | :) | 21:17 |
| madnick | :D | 21:17 |
| knome | madnick, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/draft1.png | 21:27 |
| knome | bbl | 21:27 |
| madnick | that looks sweet :) | 21:28 |
| madnick | ill implement that, and try to get some screencap | 21:30 |
| madnick | (im not sure how to make that nice fade effect of the white part) | 21:43 |
| knome | mm | 21:45 |
| madnick | i couldnt steal it all because | 21:45 |
| madnick | It was "double faded" or similar :P | 21:45 |
| knome | http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/draft2.png | 21:48 |
| knome | something like that for the fsck? | 21:48 |
| knome | (the "normal" progress bar could go back and forth, but the fsck bar could just fill up from left to right) | 21:49 |
| GridCube | oh nice | 21:50 |
| madnick | okay | 21:50 |
| madnick | yes | 21:50 |
| madnick | i can show you what i made just now | 21:50 |
| madnick | its not as nice as that | 21:50 |
| charlie-tca | at least need something that says the fsck is being done. Right now, it is a blank screen | 21:50 |
| GridCube | i wonder, what about complementary colors? | 21:51 |
| GridCube | like an yellow/orange glowing progress bar? | 21:51 |
| madnick | http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/foo.ogg | 21:52 |
| madnick | the progressbar is too wide in my example i guess | 21:53 |
| madnick | also i guess i need to fix that quick reset | 21:54 |
| knome | don't know, looks okay | 21:54 |
| pleia2 | madnick: not sure this has been mentioned, but I don't really care for the mac-like controls on the example you posted to the list, my brain is small, I find them confusing :) | 21:54 |
| pleia2 | and animations-- | 21:54 |
| madnick | pleia2: its an xubuntu theme :P | 21:54 |
| knome | pleia2, why animations--? | 21:55 |
| madnick | Aqualemon | 21:55 |
| knome | pleia2, or, animations-- in what context? | 21:55 |
| pleia2 | yeah, there are a few that copy aqua, I don't like them | 21:55 |
| pleia2 | knome: I don't want bouncy things, that's why I use xubuntu rather than kubuntu :) | 21:55 |
| pleia2 | animations are distracting | 21:56 |
| knome | pleia2, in normal GUI you mean, not the plymouth theme? :) | 21:56 |
| knome | (i think in some places, constant visual feedback is nice) | 21:56 |
| pleia2 | ah I see, the email was strictly about plymouth (I don't live animations anywhere, but it's more tolerable there) | 21:57 |
| knome | madnick, GridCube: maybe the text messages in plymouth could be on bottom of the screen | 21:57 |
| pleia2 | sorry :) | 21:57 |
| knome | live ;) | 21:57 |
| madnick | Sure | 21:57 |
| knome | pleia2, if you are copying files, do you want an animated progressbar on the progress, or just get no visual feedback at all? :P | 21:58 |
| pleia2 | knome: progressbars just lie anyway :) | 21:58 |
| madnick | Its only because how people expect them to work :P | 21:58 |
| knome | yeah, but isn't it nice to have *some* visual feedback on what is happening | 21:58 |
| pleia2 | yeah, you're right | 21:58 |
| knome | (or if something is happening at all) | 21:59 |
| pleia2 | knome: how's the wordpress theme doing? canonical sysadmins have been super responsive lately, it's weird | 21:59 |
| knome | i definitely don't like the kde-style playground world either where everything is spinning around | 21:59 |
| knome | pleia2, payback time, let them taste their own medicine | 21:59 |
| knome | ;) | 21:59 |
| pleia2 | haha | 22:00 |
| micahg | pleia2: congrats on becoming a Xubuntu Team member | 22:00 |
| pleia2 | micahg: thank you :) | 22:00 |
| charlie-tca | If we really expect them to cooperate with us, we should get things rolling sooner. | 22:00 |
| knome | madnick, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/draft3.png | 22:01 |
| madnick | yes, very nice! | 22:01 |
| knome | charlie-tca, of course. | 22:01 |
| madnick | But do we need the second status bar then? | 22:01 |
| madnick | progress* | 22:01 |
| knome | madnick, if we want, the text could be the same blue than the second bar | 22:01 |
| knome | well, that's visualizing a totally different process than the normal one | 22:02 |
| knome | if you have four 4TB drives, you probably want to know what the progress is | 22:02 |
| madnick | true, but couldnt we put the progressbar down there? | 22:02 |
| knome | i don't think it would look cool | 22:03 |
| madnick | like just above the text | 22:03 |
| madnick | oh okay | 22:03 |
| madnick | well, ill set it up :) | 22:03 |
| knome | the text is kind of just an additional nice gesture, so you don't have to wonder what's happening when the boot is taking so long | 22:03 |
| knome | if it's possible, we might even have a slight delay for the text | 22:03 |
| madnick | ok | 22:03 |
| knome | if stuff takes <5-10 seconds, don't show the text at all? | 22:04 |
| knome | i don't know | 22:04 |
| madnick | yes its doable | 22:04 |
| knome | i'd like to keep the elements at minimum | 22:04 |
| knome | that's why i want the text to be not at center | 22:04 |
| madnick | I wont be able to have an example tonight, and tomorrow im gone for half the day, but in the evening i might have something you can look at | 22:05 |
| knome | and this way, it doesn't matter much even if the text was a bit longer | 22:05 |
| knome | okay | 22:05 |
| knome | no hurry :) | 22:05 |
| madnick | ok :) | 22:05 |
| GridCube | sorry knome http://imagebin.org/165030 | 22:05 |
| GridCube | XD | 22:05 |
| knome | thanks for the work :) | 22:05 |
| knome | GridCube, awwwh :) | 22:05 |
| knome | no, i don't think that really "does" it | 22:06 |
| knome | pleia2, you'll love that mockup by GridCube for sure! | 22:06 |
| GridCube | all the same color is boring | 22:08 |
| pleia2 | blue <3 | 22:08 |
| pleia2 | orange </3 | 22:08 |
| knome | orange is the new apple! | 22:08 |
| GridCube | XD | 22:08 |
| * pleia2 hugs GridCube | 22:08 | |
| GridCube | its complementary colors | 22:09 |
| GridCube | XD the only thing about art i know | 22:09 |
| knome | all the same color looks more professional, by far | 22:09 |
| knome | it's hard to get color combinations to work well | 22:09 |
| knome | at least if they are complimentary colors | 22:09 |
| GridCube | well the yellow one does look good | 22:10 |
| knome | looks like somebody spilled some pee in the progress bar | 22:10 |
| * knome hides | 22:10 | |
| GridCube | XD | 22:10 |
| madnick | its my flag basically :< | 22:11 |
| GridCube | :P I just bucketed yellow over your thing XD | 22:11 |
| knome | madnick, i'm sorry for you (not for the flag, but the country) | 22:12 |
| knome | ;) | 22:12 |
| madnick | :D | 22:12 |
| knome | come visit helsinki | 22:13 |
| knome | :) | 22:13 |
| madnick | I sometimes go on Finland cruise | 22:13 |
| astraljava | knome: I don't think we have anything to boast, really, seeing as our flag inventors weren't sure whether we're christians or satanists. :D | 22:14 |
| knome | you live near/in stockholm, or somewhere else? | 22:14 |
| knome | astraljava, but isn't it the same with the swedish flag as well, except they peed on theirs? | 22:14 |
| madnick | I spend alot of time in Kiruna, but I have my more permanent home 200 km from stockholm :) | 22:14 |
| astraljava | Ahh, okay, then it's not any different for madnick. :) | 22:14 |
| knome | wow, that is a far away ;) | 22:15 |
| astraljava | Not so sure it's pee. Maybe they're just too pissed it resembles their skin colour better. | 22:15 |
| astraljava | Oh wait, I might be thinking France now. | 22:15 |
| madnick | its quite far :) | 22:15 |
| astraljava | This is #xubuntu-offtopic, right? ;D | 22:16 |
| knome | you might be actually as far away from Sysi than me | 22:16 |
| knome | astraljava, this is #xubuntu-devel(-offtopic) | 22:16 |
| knome | aka #the-xubuntu-chillout-lounge | 22:16 |
| * astraljava ^5's knome | 22:16 | |
| knome | astraljava, so which was your city again? :P | 22:18 |
| astraljava | Currently, Oulu. | 22:24 |
| knome | charlie-tca, https://launchpad.net/~irc-xubuntu-ops/+members#active - is this up-to-date? | 22:24 |
| astraljava | Don't expect that to last for too long, though. | 22:24 |
| knome | astraljava, so there's really nothing else to do in oulu than open source? :) | 22:24 |
| astraljava | knome: I see you've visited, sometime? | 22:25 |
| knome | oulu, no :| | 22:25 |
| astraljava | How did you know, then? :D | 22:25 |
| knome | heh, magic | 22:25 |
| knome | well, just look at the percentage of people from oulu amongst the finnish ubuntu contributors? | 22:26 |
| astraljava | Well, granted. I love Jyväskylä. But so far, it feels much, much superior. | 22:26 |
| astraljava | Really? | 22:26 |
| knome | i don't know | 22:26 |
| astraljava | Is that number somewhere public? | 22:26 |
| knome | you, Sysi, jussi01... | 22:26 |
| knome | that's three already!! | 22:27 |
| astraljava | Who's Sysi? | 22:27 |
| knome | WOOOT | 22:27 |
| astraljava | Yeah, coolness. | 22:27 |
| astraljava | We're in the same company with jussi. :D | 22:27 |
| knome | Sysi is somebody who occasionally hangs out here too, but at least in #xubuntu | 22:27 |
| knome | you are? haha | 22:27 |
| astraljava | Ahh... o kay. | 22:27 |
| knome | a young guy who is not so sure if he likes xfce or kde :D | 22:27 |
| astraljava | Hahaha! | 22:28 |
| astraljava | Youngsters. | 22:28 |
| * astraljava rolls eyes | 22:28 | |
| knome | he's been giving some valuable feedback at #shimmer about xubuntu stuff | 22:28 |
| knome | ;) | 22:28 |
| astraljava | Oh okay, that's cool. | 22:28 |
| knome | i've even met jussi! | 22:28 |
| astraljava | I'm sorry. :( | 22:28 |
| knome | lol | 22:28 |
| astraljava | ;) | 22:29 |
| knome | he is a funny guy with the most hilarious laughter i've ever heard | 22:29 |
| astraljava | That's true, | 22:29 |
| astraljava | you can't escape it, no matter where in the office you hide | 22:29 |
| knome | OMG :D | 22:29 |
| pleia2 | and jussi will be a father soon ;) | 22:29 |
| astraljava | ...or if you have the headphones on, and volume turned real up. | 22:29 |
| knome | but i have to say, jussi also thought i was *WEIRD*, so i think we're even, and you can tell jussi you're sorry too ;) | 22:30 |
| astraljava | pleia2: That's the part that truly scares me. :D | 22:30 |
| pleia2 | astraljava: me too, I told him so :) | 22:30 |
| knome | haha | 22:30 |
| knome | at least he'd get a guy who is on the same level to play with him | 22:30 |
| knome | ERRR | 22:30 |
| astraljava | And to think, his wife is awesome! :D | 22:30 |
| knome | haven't met HER :( | 22:31 |
| pleia2 | I haven't either | 22:31 |
| knome | astraljava, is she.. formally qualified? | 22:31 |
| astraljava | knome: They're not even in the same universe. :D | 22:31 |
| knome | pleia2, i haven't met you either! :) | 22:31 |
| GridCube | formally qualified?! XD | 22:31 |
| knome | astraljava, that was not a surprise | 22:31 |
| knome | astraljava, but how the heck did jussi manage to pull that move off then?? | 22:32 |
| astraljava | I have no idea. :D | 22:32 |
| knome | astraljava, or are you saying his wife is worse?! omg... | 22:32 |
| * astraljava wipes away the tears | 22:32 | |
| knome | even thinking about that makes my brain melt | 22:32 |
| astraljava | knome: HAHAHAH!!! | 22:32 |
| knome | GridCube, mm-hmm, you know... the form of an object... ;) | 22:33 |
| astraljava | Nah, seriously, awesome people, both of them. I've spent nights there, when I was just relocating etc. | 22:33 |
| astraljava | Really cool folks to hang out with. | 22:33 |
| knome | yeah, i believe you | 22:33 |
| knome | jussi really felt like he had a big warm heart, even if he was a bit weird | 22:34 |
| astraljava | And Jussi's like more finnish than I am. | 22:34 |
| knome | ;) | 22:34 |
| knome | so are you more australian than he is then, at least? | 22:34 |
| astraljava | knome: You have it spot on. | 22:34 |
| astraljava | In a sense. | 22:34 |
| knome | heh | 22:34 |
| astraljava | I like the heat better than he does. :D | 22:34 |
| knome | :D | 22:34 |
| pleia2 | he made the sauna in budapest almost-die hot | 22:34 |
| knome | haha | 22:34 |
| astraljava | Well yeah, apart from the sauna. | 22:34 |
| knome | hehe | 22:35 |
| knome | astraljava, so where are you going/trying to relocate? | 22:35 |
| astraljava | But see, that's the finnish thing. | 22:35 |
| astraljava | I just moved from Jyväskylä. | 22:35 |
| knome | true. i'm not a very "durable" sauna person either | 22:35 |
| knome | astraljava, but you said you're not going to be in oulu for long? back to jyväskylä then? | 22:36 |
| astraljava | knome: I have no idea. We have an "office" in Dallas. Might go there. :) | 22:36 |
| knome | woot :D | 22:36 |
| pleia2 | wow, that's quite a change | 22:36 |
| astraljava | Oh, that's just a fantasy. | 22:36 |
| pleia2 | ah :) | 22:37 |
| knome | isn't it "just a mystery" | 22:37 |
| astraljava | From what I know, it's the closet of the sales guy we have there. :) | 22:37 |
| knome | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__DrJI7mTHQ | 22:37 |
| astraljava | It'd still beat the winters here. :) | 22:37 |
| knome | hopefully not the water closet | 22:38 |
| knome | that'd beat YOU | 22:38 |
| astraljava | Haha! | 22:38 |
| astraljava | Both to that and the video. | 22:38 |
| knome | the song is amazing, i know. | 22:39 |
| astraljava | I had no idea those two made a show together! | 22:39 |
| knome | lots of shows, actually | 22:40 |
| knome | or at least, been together in lots of shows | 22:40 |
| astraljava | Well, yeah, but didn't know of that particular show. | 22:41 |
| astraljava | Thanks for linking to that! | 22:41 |
| knome | mmh | 22:41 |
| knome | no problem | 22:41 |
| knome | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHNXMgBSei0 | 22:41 |
| astraljava | *facepalm* | 22:44 |
| astraljava | I simply must have these on DVD. :D | 22:46 |
| knome | good. come visit me with them and we can watch them and my monty python's | 22:46 |
| astraljava | Stephen is a god, pure and simple. | 22:46 |
| knome | he is funny yeah | 22:46 |
| astraljava | And Hugh's not far from that, really. | 22:47 |
| knome | have you seen QU ? | 22:47 |
| knome | err, QI | 22:47 |
| astraljava | Alright, will do. | 22:47 |
| astraljava | Not sure, no. | 22:47 |
| knome | try that too | 22:47 |
| knome | it's a nice quiz-like show with fry | 22:47 |
| astraljava | Watching Cockney Rhyming Slang now. | 22:49 |
| knome | alan davies is actually funny too! | 22:49 |
| astraljava | Oh indeed he is! Always thought as much. | 22:52 |
| knome | he's a regular at QI, so lots of fun with that couple too in that series | 22:53 |
| knome | i love how the show is so relaxed, no real rush to get all the things/questions in the show really, they'll sometimes take long long sidetracks | 22:55 |
| astraljava | Yeah. They don't do such shows anymore, do they? I mean, the showbiz? | 22:56 |
| knome | i think QI might still be on | 22:56 |
| astraljava | All the best ones have been done, by the british, decades ago. | 22:57 |
| astraljava | Really?! | 22:57 |
| astraljava | w00T! | 22:57 |
| knome | yeah, watched it from BBC when i was visiting london in february | 22:57 |
| knome | might have been replays too though, but i have a feeling that the show might still be on | 22:57 |
| astraljava | That's really nice of them. | 22:57 |
| knome | "QI are recording the I series in May and June 2011, which will transmit on BBC2 in the autumn." | 22:58 |
| knome | I series as in the ninth series | 22:58 |
| knome | too bad there is only DVD's from the first three series | 22:59 |
| knome | otherwise i might be hooked in buying them all! | 22:59 |
| astraljava | Goddamn. We must get on a frenzy of writing demanding letters to the BBC. We'll visit their HQ, like the guy from imnotrightfromthehead.com did (or something.) | 23:01 |
| astraljava | Oh, but that was Facebook, not BBC. | 23:01 |
| knome | heh | 23:01 |
| knome | if i've understood correctly, even the three first series were published because some loony with lots of money wanted to donate some of them so they could do some DVD releases | 23:02 |
| astraljava | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRDusNquuqk&feature=related | 23:04 |
| knome | hmm | 23:04 |
| knome | haven't seen that | 23:04 |
| knome | haha, funny | 23:06 |
| astraljava | Oh dear gawd! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPXCcZgDQgk&feature=related | 23:06 |
| astraljava | When you hear it, you cannot unhear it. | 23:06 |
| knome | THAT's FUNNY! | 23:06 |
| knome | and you can't unsee those skills either | 23:07 |
| knome | that orange-shirted guy | 23:07 |
| knome | that's just OMG | 23:07 |
| knome | i want to be able to eat spaghetti like that | 23:07 |
| astraljava | Hehehe. | 23:08 |
| astraljava | Oh knome, knomeknomeknome... I will never forgive you for introducing me to this show. Neither will Jussi, I believe, tomorrow at the office. :) | 23:09 |
| knome | hehe | 23:09 |
| knome | tell jussi he owes me one beer more if he likes the show | 23:10 |
| astraljava | Oh I will do so. | 23:11 |
| astraljava | He promised me beer too, if I helped painting his house. | 23:12 |
| knome | hehe | 23:12 |
| knome | sometime, come both to helsinki | 23:12 |
| astraljava | I will then commence drinking the beer he owes you, and forget to pay it back (to you) when we meet. | 23:12 |
| knome | haha | 23:12 |
| astraljava | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfjvRR41How&feature=relmfu | 23:17 |
| knome | haha | 23:18 |
| knome | i can imagine jussi giggling while looking at that clip | 23:19 |
| astraljava | Indeed. | 23:19 |
| knome | did you know there is the full episodes also? | 23:19 |
| knome | just start with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLb9Pv7EM2M | 23:19 |
| knome | (nice theme music as well!) | 23:19 |
| astraljava | Curse you to hell! | 23:22 |
| knome | har har | 23:22 |
| astraljava | I'm already unproductive with the clips, thankyouverymuch! | 23:23 |
| knome | hehe | 23:23 |
| knome | now you're going to have things to do at work tomorrow at least! | 23:23 |
| knome | and jussi too! | 23:24 |
| knome | gosh, i'm hungry | 23:25 |
| knome | shouldn't have watched the gordon ramsay clips | 23:25 |
| astraljava | Hehehe. :) | 23:26 |
| knome | going to grab something | 23:41 |
| knome | hhm, gordon ramsay -quality tuna straight from the can | 23:49 |
| knome | ;) | 23:49 |
| astraljava | Oh, that's the best. :) | 23:54 |
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