[00:00] <raul_> great!
[00:00] <raul_> thanks for the tip
[00:00] <knome> no problem
[00:00] <knome> that's a quite new project also
[00:01] <raul_> the only problem is the title of window is not correctly aligned
[00:01] <raul_> unless I put all buttons in window (shade, stick, max, min and close)
[00:02] <raul_> I couldn't find a solution for this...
[00:02] <knome> i suppose that's never right in the center if you don't have the same amount of buttons in both sides
[00:02] <knome> i don't think you can affect that within the theme, it's in the xfwm code
[00:03] <knome> to find that out, maybe ask in #xfce-dev
[00:03] <raul_> I think the same way
[00:03]  * ochosi starts reading the log
[00:03] <knome> OOOH
[00:03] <knome> the ochosi
[00:03] <knome> you didn't go to holiday then? :P
[00:05] <raul_> oh! I forgot something: the css3 code that I made is a little messy D:
[00:06] <raul_> I'm not very good in Inkscape, so I had to do the graphics of rain theme in html and CSS
[00:06] <ochosi> knome: i'm leaving tomorrow (to shorten the backlog)
[00:06] <knome> hehe
[00:06] <ochosi> the xfwm theme doesn't look bad at all
[00:06] <knome> raul_, so there is ochosi/simon ^ !!
[00:07] <raul_> hi :)
[00:07] <ochosi> the buttons are a bit big, but i like the shades
[00:07] <ochosi> hey raul_ 
[00:07] <knome> ochosi, it's quite like the old albatross, right?
[00:07] <raul_> I plan to make a black variant also
[00:07] <ochosi> hmyeah, actually one problem that catches my eye is that the minimize button and the menu-button are the same
[00:07] <ochosi> that
[00:08] <ochosi> that's not a very good idea imo
[00:08] <raul_> yes :(
[00:08] <ochosi> raul_: does the theme pick up gtk-colors?
[00:08] <raul_> I do not know what to put in menu button :( 
[00:08] <raul_> hm no... D:
[00:09] <ochosi> k, well that can be dealt with later (color-pickup)
[00:09] <raul_> I used gcolor2 and I was looking in it until I find a good color
[00:09] <raul_> then I got this mix of blue and gray
[00:10] <ochosi> mhm, it should be no problem to do that with color-pickup
[00:10] <ochosi> it's a bit of work, but then the xfwm theme will also work with other themes/colors
[00:10] <raul_> I was thinking about removing the menu button because if you right-click it window the popup appears
[00:11] <ochosi> yeah, well, that's not really the point :)
[00:11] <raul_> in window*
[00:11] <ochosi> i think that a theme for xfwm should be complete, because users might change the default setup
[00:11] <raul_> hmm
[00:11] <knome> agreed with ochosi
[00:12] <raul_> was also thinking of another icon because it looks like the minimize button
[00:12] <ochosi> in your setup it's clear which is the menu button and which is minimize, but everyone can change the button order by d'n'd (and that's a good thing)
[00:12] <ochosi> another thing: what happens when you reorder the maximize/minimize/close buttons?
[00:12] <ochosi> (i mean visually)
[00:13] <charlie-tca> ochosi: I started the panel review on the ML
[00:13] <raul_> It looks a bit strange :(, I do not know, but xfwm has a limitation on the "padding" button, I'll try to see it
[00:13] <ochosi> charlie-tca: yeah, just saw that. thanks!
[00:13] <ochosi> raul_: what padding button? (not sure i get it)
[00:14] <raul_> The problem is the rounded corners 
[00:14] <ochosi> rounded corner of the window?
[00:14] <ochosi> or of the buttons
[00:14] <raul_> if all buttons be square, the bug is fixed
[00:14] <ochosi> ah, right
[00:14] <ochosi> well there are also other things you can do, e.g. only show that 3d-ish border on hover
[00:15] <ochosi> or only make the close-button stand out
[00:15] <raul_> but square buttons looks strange too, it doesn't combine with the rounded corners of the window
[00:15] <ochosi> yeah, i agree, the effect is nice
[00:15] <ochosi> but it comes at a price
[00:15] <ochosi> (oh wow, am i speaking in rhymes?)
[00:15] <knome> haha
[00:16] <knome> artists...
[00:16] <knome> ;)
[00:16] <ochosi> yeah, i guess it's because i'm sober ;)
[00:16] <knome> hah, !drunkard
[00:16] <knome> ;)
[00:16] <ochosi> raul_: what are your thoughts on the "-" and "+" greybird uses for maximize and minimize?
[00:17] <ochosi> knome: yeah, we should really get the bot back in #shimmer!
[00:17] <knome> ochosi, i was having some rum earlier... :)
[00:17] <raul_> I will send another screenshot
[00:17] <raul_> http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2821/screenshot0725201109160.png
[00:17] <raul_> (the focus button)
[00:17] <ochosi> that's on hover?
[00:17] <raul_> pressed
[00:17] <ochosi> ah
[00:17] <knome> this theme maybe reminds me of windows vista somehow
[00:17] <raul_> :P
[00:17] <knome> the not-completely square buttons
[00:17] <ochosi> would you mind just sending me the theme via email, so i can test it a bit?
[00:17] <ochosi> yeah, it's pretty vista-ish ;)
[00:17] <raul_> I think about increase the inset shadow
[00:18] <ochosi> with this i guess people would be bitch-slapping us for looking like mac *and* windows
[00:18] <raul_> this theme is inspired in old longhorn themes and the buttons of google chrome in Windows
[00:18] <ochosi> mhm, i see
[00:19] <raul_> and equinox too
[00:19] <ochosi> what i like is the separator between menubar and window-borders
[00:19] <knome> mm
[00:19] <ochosi> and the bg-gradient
[00:19] <raul_> :) 
[00:20] <ochosi> that could even work with the current greybird-buttons
[00:20] <knome> huh?
[00:21] <ochosi> i mean adding a separator between menubar and window-controls/borders
[00:21] <raul_> oh! I forgot, the hover buttons: http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9222/screenshot0725201109200.png
[00:21] <knome> ochosi, mm
[00:21] <raul_> (this is the css version)
[00:21] <ochosi> mhm
[00:22] <ochosi> i'm thinking maybe we can have the window-border with separator on active windows and merged (as in the current greybird theme) in inactive windows
[00:22] <ochosi> (yes yes, i know we've been there...)
[00:22] <knome> haha
[00:23] <raul_> yes, I pa
[00:23] <raul_> planned*
[00:23] <raul_> to make a gtk theme for this xfwm theme
[00:23] <raul_> but I don't know about gtk 2 \:
[00:23] <ochosi> knome: well, now that lubuntu is closing in on us theme-wise again, i guess it's a good idea to take a step ahead into the past ;)
[00:23] <knome> haha
[00:23] <raul_> and "merge" the window and menubar
[00:23] <raul_> like shiki-colors, elementary, ambiance theme and equinox
[00:24] <ochosi> raul_: merging them is not too hard
[00:24] <ochosi> but first thing you should do for that is support xfwm's gtk-color pickup
[00:24] <ochosi> which means you have to have xpm and png icons for every button
[00:24] <ochosi> (twice the icons, twice the work to draw/maintain)
[00:24] <raul_> hmm
[00:25] <raul_> http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5691/buttongm.png
[00:25] <raul_> this is the pressed buttons of min and max
[00:25] <ochosi> i like that more than the pressed button of close
[00:25] <knome> mm
[00:26] <ochosi> the light reddish color looks a bit like you couldn't decide between going red or not :)
[00:26] <knome> ochosi, something like this is what i kind of tried to achieve with the new albatross buttons
[00:26] <raul_> so, I make all buttons with blue color? (hover and pressed?)
[00:26] <ochosi> raul_: no, maybe make the red a tad stronger
[00:26] <ochosi> knome: if you want we can work more on them when i'm back
[00:26] <raul_> hover or pressed? or the two?
[00:26] <ochosi> raul_: don't think i've seen hover of the close-button
[00:27] <knome> ochosi, yeah, whenever you have time :)
[00:27] <ochosi> raul_: +only
[00:27] <ochosi> err
[00:27] <ochosi> i'm getting tired...
[00:27] <raul_> fine :) http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4670/closez.png
[00:28] <raul_> this is the hover of close
[00:28] <ochosi> mhm
[00:28] <raul_> or I already sent this? 
[00:28] <raul_> oO I forgot
[00:28] <ochosi> nope, don't think so
[00:28] <knome> i'm not sure if i like the red hue
[00:28] <knome> it's a bit dirty, while the other colors look like metallic or something like that
[00:28] <ochosi> ok, if you look at the hover of max and min and close, the max/min is 1) a lot more saturated and 2) has a different gradient/glow
[00:29] <ochosi> that should be more consistent
[00:29] <raul_> and if the close button be blue too?
[00:31] <raul_> hmmm
[00:31] <ochosi> probably, then it's less vista-ish i guess
[00:32] <raul_> fine, I'll change :)
[00:32] <raul_> thanks
[00:32] <knome> if it's blue too, then it won't have the contrast to the other buttons any more
[00:32] <ochosi> np, i'm just telling you what i think :)
[00:32] <knome> it might be white as well
[00:32] <raul_> hm D:
[00:33] <raul_> maybe orange?
[00:33] <raul_> hm, no D:
[00:33] <raul_> or navy blue
[00:37] <raul_> Well, if I rearrange the buttons (max, min and close), some of them don't have the side edge. I tried to put a negative value in the "spacing button" but didn't work
[00:37] <raul_> button spacing, I mean
[00:38] <ochosi> mhm
[00:39] <ochosi> don't think there's much you can do about that
[00:40] <raul_> http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/991/closeminmax.png I don't have any idea how to fix this \:
[00:40] <ochosi> raul_: as i said, i don't think it's really fixable
[00:40] <raul_> oh, sorry 
[00:41] <ochosi> btw, you can test the changes i did (and am doing) to greybird by downloading it from our git-repository
[00:42] <raul_> is this repository https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird right?
[00:42] <knome> raul_, yes
[00:42] <raul_> the xubuntu 11.10 will come with gtk 3?
[00:42] <raul_> (thanks)
[00:43] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu 11.10 will use gtk2, but we have to include gtk3 for the parts we borrow from Ubuntu
[00:43] <charlie-tca> It's kind of complicated.
[00:44] <ochosi> it basically means we have to have two themes, one for gtk2 and one for gtk3 apps
[00:44] <raul_> that's why I decided to don't start making a gtk theme for this xfwm theme, because I don't know if I'd use 3 or GK2
[00:44] <raul_> gtk 3 or 2
[00:45] <raul_> gtk2 I know a bit
[00:45] <raul_> but some engines like murrine, no :(
[00:46] <raul_> hm, the github is very slow today, 6.0 kb/s
[00:47] <ochosi> lucky for you the tarball isn't very large ;)
[00:48] <raul_> :P
[00:48] <raul_> 4 min left, but chrome can't finish the download
[00:48] <ochosi> pff, that's annoying
[00:48] <ochosi> are you sure it's github's fault?
[00:48] <raul_> I think yes :( 'cause my other downloads are normal
[00:49] <raul_> (I pause them)
[00:49] <raul_> 8 min :|
[00:49] <raul_> I think is the https
[00:50] <raul_> hm, the download failed
[00:50] <ochosi> weird
[00:50] <ochosi> works fine for me...
[00:50] <raul_> I removed the "https"
[00:50] <raul_> and is 27 kb/s now
[00:50] <ochosi> https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tarball/master
[00:50] <ochosi> did you use this address?
[00:50] <raul_> yes
[00:51] <ochosi> hmkay
[00:51] <raul_> but if I put the https
[00:51] <raul_> I can't download
[00:52] <ochosi> to the worst try again later/tomorrow
[00:52] <raul_> looks very great!
[00:52] <raul_> I like the main colour
[00:52] <raul_> and the panels
[00:53] <ochosi> thanks
[00:53] <ochosi> nice to hear
[00:53] <raul_> a inset shadow in the button of active window would be great in my opinion
[00:54] <raul_> like ambiance
[00:54] <ochosi> how exactly?
[00:55] <raul_> http://design.canonical.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/theme_image04.png
[00:55] <raul_> Like this
[00:55] <raul_> see the "broadcast" button
[00:56] <ochosi> still not sure i get it. what exactly?
[00:56] <ochosi> oh
[00:56] <ochosi> you mean on the panel?
[00:56] <raul_> the shadow :)
[00:56] <raul_> of the active window button
[00:56] <ochosi> yeah, but on the panel :)
[00:56] <raul_> yes:)
[00:56] <ochosi> i thought you were talking about window-buttons
[00:56] <raul_> I like the albatross panel buttons too
[00:57] <ochosi> yeah, that could look nice, i'll consider it
[00:57] <raul_> the albatross panel buttons have more details
[00:57] <raul_> I tried to make a modification of greybird with the albatross panels but I don't know
[00:58] <raul_> I couldn't to this, I think is because of the difference of the gtk engines
[00:58] <ochosi> greybird generally uses a very flat panel style
[00:58] <ochosi> nope, they both use murrine for that afaik
[00:58] <raul_> strange .-.
[00:59] <raul_> the xubuntu 11.10 will have the overlay scrollbars too?
[01:00] <ochosi> probably not by default
[01:01] <raul_> so, I can send my xfwm theme via e-mail?
[01:01] <raul_> I can upload in skydrive/mediafire too
[01:01] <ochosi> no, email is better
[01:02] <raul_>  xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com, right? 
[01:02] <ochosi> hm, yeah, if you want it to be public, then send it to the mailing-list
[01:03] <raul_> Hm... which another e-mail I can send?
[01:03] <knome> simon@ & pasi@shimmerproject.org
[01:03] <ochosi> you can also send it to me if you like :)
[01:04] <ochosi> knome posted his and my email addr avobe
[01:04] <ochosi> arr, above
[01:04] <knome> adobe?!
[01:06] <raul_> thanks I sent the e-mail
[01:06] <raul_> with the css file too
[01:06] <ochosi> k, thanks!
[01:06] <knome> thanks
[01:07] <raul_> :) I find a hack to get the buttons with the window line
[01:07] <raul_> I left a blank space in active close/max/min button
[01:07] <knome> raul_, so if we will use some of your work, what name should we use in the attribution, and what license too?
[01:07] <raul_> GPL (I use greybird xfwm theme for this)
[01:08] <raul_> and "Raul de Sousa"
[01:08] <knome> okay, thanks
[01:08] <raul_> I don't have twitter, and this e-mail is not my main e-mail
[01:08] <raul_> I pretend to migrate to g-mail soon
[01:08] <knome> hehe
[01:08] <ochosi> raul_: hm, the buttons feel a bit bulky and big tbh
[01:08] <raul_> I don't like hotmail D:
[01:08] <ochosi> and the color doesn't match the new greybird-blue :)
[01:09] <knome> if you are changing your email, can you send mail from that when you've migrated, so we'lll get the right address too
[01:09] <raul_> hmm, which colour I can use?
[01:09] <raul_> a light colour?
[01:09] <ochosi> either implement gtk-color pickup (as previously mentioned) or redraw all the icons each time the colors in the gtk theme change by hand :)
[01:09] <ochosi> that's approximately the options you have
[01:10] <ochosi> unless you decide to keep the colors static, no matter what theme is used
[01:10] <raul_> hmm, so I will modify the css code and print the page again
[01:10] <ochosi> yeah, that's also an option
[01:10] <raul_> but I don't understand the gtk color pickup yet :(
[01:10] <raul_> can you explain please?
[01:10] <raul_> about the gtk*
[01:10] <ochosi> k, it's not that difficult:
[01:11] <raul_> I'm a novice in themes
[01:11] <ochosi> you create an xpm-version of each button, then you edit the xpm-file (that you created e.g. in gimp) with a text-editor and edit the line that contains the main bg-color
[01:12] <ochosi> you can read about how to do that step here: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/xfwm4_theme
[01:12] <raul_> xpm can be edited in a text-editor? o_O
[01:12] <ochosi> yes
[01:12] <raul_> I didn't know that
[01:12] <ochosi> xpm is kinda oldschool, but very cool
[01:12] <raul_> interesting
[01:12] <ochosi> so that's the first part
[01:12] <raul_> but why I have to do this with the theme?
[01:12] <raul_> is something like rgb colours etc?
[01:13] <ochosi> obviously you can take almost any color from the gtk-theme and then your xfwm theme will "pick up" the color you selected from the gtk-theme you're using at the moment
[01:13] <ochosi> meaning: it will change when you switch themes
[01:13] <ochosi> chameleon-style
[01:14] <raul_> so I have to make png files too, right?
[01:14] <raul_> but xfwm doesn't use them :|
[01:15] <ochosi> yes, because with xpm there's a problem: no antialiasing and no transparency
[01:15] <raul_> example: the rounded corners window, doesn't have a anti-aliasing
[01:15] <ochosi> you mean the edges?
[01:15] <ochosi> yeah, the edges aren't 100% smooth
[01:16] <ochosi> but that's mostly a rendering issue of xwfm's compositor, there's nothing you can do about that (as a themer)
[01:16] <raul_> so I have to edit only the parts that contain active_hilight_2, active_color_2 etc?
[01:16] <ochosi> you can only adjust the rounded corners to either dark or light background
[01:17] <ochosi> well...
[01:17] <ochosi> you can start with that
[01:17] <raul_> or everything?
[01:17] <raul_> omg :P
[01:17] <ochosi> but e.g. for the gradient in the title, you have to do something else
[01:17] <ochosi> there you have to create an xpm that is flat (only a single color)
[01:18] <ochosi> then you create a transparent gradient in gimp and save that as png
[01:18] <ochosi> that'll serve as overlay to create the actual gradient
[01:18] <ochosi> and since the png overlays the xpm you'll then get a gradient on your window that can change background color
[01:18] <raul_> But if I leave my theme as it is, it will happen some bug in xfwm-compositor?
[01:18] <ochosi> it works like with layers in gimp
[01:18] <ochosi> no
[01:19] <ochosi> you can also leave your theme as is
[01:19] <ochosi> but then it won't adjust to color changes
[01:19] <ochosi> (auto-adjust)
[01:19] <raul_> ahh! now I understand it :P
[01:19] <raul_> finally
[01:19] <raul_> like elementary xfwm theme?
[01:19] <knome> heh :)
[01:19] <ochosi> just an example, try greybird's xfwm theme with a dark gtktheme
[01:19] <raul_> I notice that it changed to black when I apply a theme here
[01:19] <ochosi> yeah, actually i did that theme ;)
[01:20] <raul_> :D
[01:20] <ochosi> but anyhoo, yeah, also like elementary's xfwm
[01:20] <ochosi> k, since that's clear now i'll leave you :)
[01:20] <raul_> I will study the xpm in this weekend, because I don't have so much time available :(
[01:20] <ochosi> have fun and good night everyone!
[01:21] <knome> night simon!
[01:21] <knome> have a nice holiday
[01:21] <raul_> good night and thanks!
[01:21] <ochosi> raul_: yeah, no rush with anything, i won't be back till next week ;)
[01:21] <ochosi> knome: thanks, see ya!
[01:21] <knome> ochosi, tue?
[01:21] <ochosi> yup
[01:21] <knome> okay, see you then!
[01:21] <raul_> ok, thanks again!
[01:21] <knome> raul_, you're welcome :)
[01:21]  * ochosi waves
[01:22] <knome> \o/
[01:22] <knome>  |
[01:22] <knome> /'\
[01:22] <knome> bye
[01:22]  * ochosi loves knome's ascii art
[01:22] <knome> hihi
[01:22] <knome> me too
[01:22] <ochosi> and i'm off...
[01:22] <raul_> :P
[01:24] <raul_> I will leave too
[01:24] <raul_> goodbye and thanks :)
[01:24] <knome> raul_, bye, and see you too
[01:25] <raul_> hey! I have a question about IRC
[01:25] <knome> sure
[01:25] <raul_> I didn't understand the ISP e-mail address in my profile
[01:25] <knome> right
[01:25] <raul_> I never used the irc before, today is my first day on it
[01:26] <raul_> I'm a bit paranoic with security
[01:26] <knome> the username (before @) is what your username in the machine is, and the part after @ is your address
[01:26] <knome> if you want to hide that, you probably want a cloak
[01:26] <raul_> hmm, but why I'm the only who have my username as my machine?
[01:27] <raul_> oh, well
[01:27] <knome> huh?
[01:27] <knome> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks <- on cloacks
[01:27] <knome> -c
[01:27] <raul_> hm thanks!
[01:27] <knome> in most irc clients, you can set the username to whatever you want
[01:28] <knome> (the part before @)
[01:28] <raul_> but this don't have any problem?
[01:28] <knome> yeah, many people irc with no cloaks and username as is
[01:29] <knome> but if you want, you can get the cloak to hide your host address
[01:30] <raul_> i'm back
[01:30] <raul_> sorry, my HD is broken so xchat froze
[01:30] <knome> a-ha
[01:31] <knome> now your ip shows
[01:31] <raul_> omg DD:
[01:31] <raul_> I'm so paranoic
[01:31] <knome> that's actually something you can't control, without that cloak
[01:31] <raul_> how can I hide this? I didn't understand yet
[01:31] <knome> read the question in http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[01:31] <raul_> so I will not come back anymore
[01:32] <raul_> well, good bye D:
[02:57] <charlie-tca> Kubuntu is dropping gtk3 off their cd's tomorrow
[03:32] <Unit193> That's a little too much for scroll back, anyone mind my lazyness and give me the jist of the raul part? :P  (Wanting to give a xfwm theme)
[08:34] <mr_pouit> the current feedback for the panel layout is "meh". It seems they didn't even look at the layout in natty
[09:52] <knome> maybe somebody should send a screenshot of the default natty panels in the ML then
[12:57] <mr_pouit> micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/652408/ (diff of the manifest file between alpha2 and today) so pinyin is probably the culprit
[14:28] <micahg> mr_pouit: is there a way for me to do that or do you just have local copies?
[14:44] <mr_pouit> of the manifest? I took them from cdimages.ubuntu.com
[15:18] <madnick> I've looked deep into Plymouth, its all very smooth and neat, I am formulating a message for the ML about the theme, I will need to talk to the artists about what features they require, what they want animated etc
[15:18] <madnick> Here is what it looks like when you use the current bg, i think it looks pretty neat, http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/plymouth.png
[15:18] <madnick> ochosi was the artist right?
[15:23] <charlie-tca> yes, ochosi is the artist, but is on holiday for the next week
[15:23] <charlie-tca> I like that screenshot
[15:25] <madnick> oh okay
[15:26] <madnick> I found this on the mailingl ist
[15:26] <madnick> http://lehrer.schule.at/goell-pregesbauer//wp-content/xubuntu_logo_suggestion_3.gif
[15:26] <madnick> Anyone know who made that?
[15:29] <charlie-tca> I don't know, and with knowing, we can't use it
[15:30] <charlie-tca> Maybe knome or ochosi will know
[15:30] <madnick> yup :)
[15:30] <charlie-tca> The problem is, that is an old logo
[15:30] <madnick> oh okay
[15:30] <charlie-tca> We no longer use that one
[15:31] <charlie-tca> Here are the new ones - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork
[15:37] <madnick> I'm not sure what to put in the email :(
[15:37] <micahg> mr_pouit: ah, right, alpha2 is there as well as the daily :)
[15:42] <charlie-tca> madnick: something along the lines of:
[15:43] <charlie-tca> I am designing a new plymouth screen for Xubuntu. Here is what I have so far, what else should be in this?
[15:46] <madnick> okay, well, if the artist wishes, he could really get free hands and ill just code, otherwise i need to know a few things; should a new background be used instead of xubuntu-greybird? The progressbar, do we want something fancier? FSCK leaves us alot of oppertunities for cool stuff
[15:46] <charlie-tca> Those are questions to ask, in the email, then.
[15:46] <madnick> yes
[15:46] <madnick> :)
[15:47] <charlie-tca> Then you get to say what *you* want the artist to animate, too.
[15:48] <charlie-tca> point to keep in mind, if we put in a background, it may stay there for a very long time.
[15:48] <madnick> :)
[15:48] <madnick> yeah
[17:46] <pleia2> charlie-tca: thank you! :)
[17:47] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:18] <GridCube> good evening
[20:19] <GridCube> remember yesterday storm i was telling you about? well it broke lots of electricity lines and i wont be having power there for like 3 days
[20:23] <charlie-tca> ouch
[20:23] <charlie-tca> That's a pretty bad storm
[20:28] <charlie-tca> everybody okay?
[20:28] <GridCube> indeed, and it was just like 15 minutes or so
[20:29] <GridCube> yep luckly, accordign to the news only one people died at all
[20:30] <GridCube> besides that a lot of broken powerlines, thats why they cant restore it quickly, because they fear that some loose cable will cause an accident somewhere
[20:35] <charlie-tca> I see. They just want to make sure they find all the breaks, then.
[20:38] <GridCube> yep
[20:38] <GridCube> i just bought a batery radio XD
[20:41] <astraljava> Holy crap! GridCube, where was this? Hope you'll be fine!
[20:42] <GridCube> :) it's all fine, it was just a wind storm
[20:42] <Unit193> You think you may get sewer backup?
[20:42] <TheSheep> server?
[20:43] <Unit193> sewer = funnels crap away (basically)
[20:43] <astraljava> No idea, but sewer backup sounds really exotic.
[20:44] <TheSheep> who would backup their sewer contents? %)
[20:44] <astraljava> Ahh... yeah.
[20:44] <charlie-tca> that was the turtles and cats storm here yesterday
[20:44] <charlie-tca> I don't remember it having servers too?
[20:44] <astraljava> Yeah yeah. Damn. Didn't think of the sewers at that point. That's... nasty.
[20:44] <Unit193> TheSheep: Nice! :D
[20:54] <knome> madnick, the plymouth theme looks nice! we're planning to create a new wallpaper for oneiric, but i suppose changing the BG image isn't too hard (and it's going to be blue too, so it's fine to test this way)
[20:54] <knome> madnick, imo we could have a really thin progressbar, that would have the same kind of glowing style than the logo does
[20:55] <Unit193> I didn't even know you could have a progress bar with this one (I know they had it in the working usplash ones)
[20:55] <knome> madnick, one possibility is to use the animation used in the uplash earlier, with the "sparks"
[20:56] <madnick> :)
[20:56] <TheSheep> remember the 'running mouse' xfce logo animation? :)
[20:56] <madnick> Thanks
[20:56] <knome> madnick, do you need any files for the animation now?
[20:56] <madnick> Not yet
[20:57] <knome> madnick, or, what kind of file is it supposed to be? png with frames on top of each other maybe?
[20:57] <knome> madnick, did you get my idea of the progressbar?
[20:57] <madnick> Im reading it now :P I just jumped into IRC :P
[20:57] <knome> okey, np
[20:57] <knome> (me too)
[20:57] <GridCube> i always liked this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Karmic?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=karmic-sparkles-01.ogv
[20:58] <madnick> knome: yeah i think i get it
[20:58] <knome> okey
[20:58] <knome> GridCube, that's the other possibility :)
[20:58] <madnick> GridCube: that also works
[20:59] <knome> but i think we should go with the bar
[20:59] <madnick> that may be a "cleaner" approch
[20:59] <knome> yeah, and it doesn't shout "hey, we're just reusing all old stuff here"
[20:59] <madnick> :P
[21:00] <TheSheep> what's wrong about reusing?
[21:00] <madnick> But we could also do alot of things with fsck
[21:00] <TheSheep> btw, you could possibly adapt some android startup screens
[21:00] <knome> TheSheep, many people might think the project is staleish
[21:01] <GridCube> and this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Proposed/AllImages?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=screenshot_1.png
[21:01] <knome> madnick, do you have any ideas?
[21:01] <GridCube> XD I know, we move on, but the past is awesome too
[21:01] <knome> GridCube, uh, that's the old logo
[21:01] <TheSheep> knome: the word is "stable" :D
[21:01] <charlie-tca> Many also think the project is doing fantastic, though
[21:01] <madnick> Well, i had one idea, but its not as clean as yours
[21:01] <GridCube> knome: butstillawesome
[21:01] <knome> TheSheep, no, there is also "stale" :)
[21:02] <knome> GridCube, heh, if you say so ;)
[21:02] <madnick> regarding the fsck i dont really know
[21:02] <knome> charlie-tca, sure, but we don't want to make people think we might be staleish with our artwork, do we? :)
[21:02] <TheSheep> I'm not sure doing a graphics overhaul every release counts as "alive"
[21:02] <charlie-tca> I haven't seen anyone indicating that
[21:02] <TheSheep> we have to go DEEPER
[21:02] <knome> TheSheep, practically it doesn't mean that, but that's how people/users interpret things, sadly
[21:03] <TheSheep> knome: pics or didn't happen
[21:03] <charlie-tca> since we have new artwork almost every release, I would like to know where those people are that are saying it is "stale"
[21:03] <knome> TheSheep, ;)
[21:03] <knome> charlie-tca, i was referring to the hypothetical situation that we reused the old usplash animation
[21:04] <charlie-tca> Then it is not reality. There is no "stale", and anything we do to plymouth will be new.
[21:05] <knome> charlie-tca, exactly, that's what i tried to say. i told we might not want to use the old animation, so that the people wouldn't think the project it stale
[21:06] <GridCube> but the mouse running on the wheel is so cute XD
[21:06] <charlie-tca> As to new wallpaper, if there is one in the works, it needs to be ready before beta2
[21:06] <charlie-tca> or better, before beta is released
[21:07] <knome> charlie-tca, beta2 is when, and when is the ui freeze?
[21:08] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[21:08] <charlie-tca> 25th of August?
[21:08] <knome> the ideal situation would be to get it ready before the ui freeze, yeah
[21:10] <knome> madnick, would the fsck bring in an another progressbar?
[21:11] <madnick> Its hidden atm
[21:11] <knome> mm-hmm
[21:11] <knome> what about text, how much?
[21:11] <madnick> It does bring in text too
[21:12] <madnick> But I was planning on rewriting most
[21:12] <knome> how much of it?
[21:12] <knome> ah, okay!
[21:12] <knome> good
[21:12] <knome> so we can control that
[21:12] <knome> nice
[21:12] <madnick> yes we can do whatever is desired :)
[21:12] <knome> btw, where did you grab the logo with glow, or did you do it yourself?
[21:13] <madnick> Nope thats default
[21:13] <knome> right
[21:13] <madnick> Then opacity changes
[21:13] <knome> mm
[21:13] <knome> i wonder where my source files are
[21:13] <knome> ;)
[21:13] <madnick> /lib/plymouth/themes/foo/bar.script
[21:13] <madnick> :]
[21:14] <knome> no, i mean for the glowing logo
[21:14] <madnick> oh!
[21:14] <knome> ah, here it is
[21:15] <madnick> are you going to change it?
[21:15] <knome> no, not really
[21:15] <knome> just working on a mockup
[21:15] <madnick> ok
[21:16] <madnick> knome: in your mind, how long did you see the progressmeter?
[21:16] <madnick> Im thinking not very long
[21:17] <knome> maybe a bit less wide than the logo
[21:17] <madnick> ah yes same
[21:17] <knome> that's actually one of the things i'm looking to now
[21:17] <knome> :)
[21:17] <madnick> :D
[21:27] <knome> madnick, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/draft1.png
[21:27] <knome> bbl
[21:28] <madnick> that looks sweet :)
[21:30] <madnick> ill implement that, and try to get some screencap 
[21:43] <madnick> (im not sure how to make that nice fade effect of the white part)
[21:45] <knome> mm
[21:45] <madnick> i couldnt steal it all because
[21:45] <madnick> It was "double faded" or similar :P
[21:48] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/draft2.png
[21:48] <knome> something like that for the fsck?
[21:49] <knome> (the "normal" progress bar could go back and forth, but the fsck bar could just fill up from left to right)
[21:50] <GridCube> oh nice
[21:50] <madnick> okay
[21:50] <madnick> yes
[21:50] <madnick> i can show you what i made just now
[21:50] <madnick> its not as nice as that
[21:50] <charlie-tca> at least need something that says the fsck is being done. Right now, it is a blank screen
[21:51] <GridCube> i wonder, what about complementary colors? 
[21:51] <GridCube> like an yellow/orange glowing progress bar?
[21:52] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/foo.ogg
[21:53] <madnick> the progressbar is too wide in my example i guess
[21:54] <madnick> also i guess i need to fix that quick reset
[21:54] <knome> don't know, looks okay
[21:54] <pleia2> madnick: not sure this has been mentioned, but I don't really care for the mac-like controls on the example you posted to the list, my brain is small, I find them confusing :)
[21:54] <pleia2> and animations--
[21:54] <madnick> pleia2: its an xubuntu theme :P
[21:55] <knome> pleia2, why animations--?
[21:55] <madnick> Aqualemon
[21:55] <knome> pleia2, or, animations-- in what context?
[21:55] <pleia2> yeah, there are a few that copy aqua, I don't like them
[21:55] <pleia2> knome: I don't want bouncy things, that's why I use xubuntu rather than kubuntu :)
[21:56] <pleia2> animations are distracting
[21:56] <knome> pleia2, in normal GUI you mean, not the plymouth theme? :)
[21:56] <knome> (i think in some places, constant visual feedback is nice)
[21:57] <pleia2> ah I see, the email was strictly about plymouth (I don't live animations anywhere, but it's more tolerable there)
[21:57] <knome> madnick, GridCube: maybe the text messages in plymouth could be on bottom of the screen
[21:57] <pleia2> sorry :)
[21:57] <knome> live ;)
[21:57] <madnick> Sure
[21:58] <knome> pleia2, if you are copying files, do you want an animated progressbar on the progress, or just get no visual feedback at all? :P
[21:58] <pleia2> knome: progressbars just lie anyway :)
[21:58] <madnick> Its only because how people expect them to work :P
[21:58] <knome> yeah, but isn't it nice to have *some* visual feedback on what is happening
[21:58] <pleia2> yeah, you're right
[21:59] <knome> (or if something is happening at all)
[21:59] <pleia2> knome: how's the wordpress theme doing? canonical sysadmins have been super responsive lately, it's weird
[21:59] <knome> i definitely don't like the kde-style playground world either where everything is spinning around
[21:59] <knome> pleia2, payback time, let them taste their own medicine
[21:59] <knome> ;)
[22:00] <pleia2> haha
[22:00] <micahg> pleia2: congrats on becoming a Xubuntu Team member
[22:00] <pleia2> micahg: thank you :)
[22:00] <charlie-tca> If we really expect them to cooperate with us, we should get things rolling sooner.
[22:01] <knome> madnick, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/draft3.png
[22:01] <madnick> yes, very nice!
[22:01] <knome> charlie-tca, of course.
[22:01] <madnick> But do we need the second status bar then?
[22:01] <madnick> progress*
[22:01] <knome> madnick, if we want, the text could be the same blue than the second bar
[22:02] <knome> well, that's visualizing a totally different process than the normal one
[22:02] <knome> if you have four 4TB drives, you probably want to know what the progress is
[22:02] <madnick> true, but couldnt we put the progressbar down there?
[22:03] <knome> i don't think it would look cool
[22:03] <madnick> like just above the text 
[22:03] <madnick> oh okay
[22:03] <madnick> well, ill set it up :)
[22:03] <knome> the text is kind of just an additional nice gesture, so you don't have to wonder what's happening when the boot is taking so long
[22:03] <knome> if it's possible, we might even have a slight delay for the text
[22:03] <madnick> ok
[22:04] <knome> if stuff takes <5-10 seconds, don't show the text at all?
[22:04] <knome> i don't know
[22:04] <madnick> yes its doable
[22:04] <knome> i'd like to keep the elements at minimum
[22:04] <knome> that's why i want the text to be not at center
[22:05] <madnick> I wont be able to have an example tonight, and tomorrow im gone for half the day, but in the evening i might have something you can look at
[22:05] <knome> and this way, it doesn't matter much even if the text was a bit longer
[22:05] <knome> okay
[22:05] <knome> no hurry :)
[22:05] <madnick> ok :)
[22:05] <GridCube> sorry knome http://imagebin.org/165030
[22:05] <GridCube> XD
[22:05] <knome> thanks for the work :)
[22:05] <knome> GridCube, awwwh :)
[22:06] <knome> no, i don't think that really "does" it
[22:06] <knome> pleia2, you'll love that mockup by GridCube for sure!
[22:08] <GridCube> all the same color is boring
[22:08] <pleia2> blue <3
[22:08] <pleia2> orange </3
[22:08] <knome> orange is the new apple!
[22:08] <GridCube> XD
[22:08]  * pleia2 hugs GridCube 
[22:09] <GridCube> its complementary colors
[22:09] <GridCube> XD the only thing about art i know
[22:09] <knome> all the same color looks more professional, by far
[22:09] <knome> it's hard to get color combinations to work well
[22:09] <knome> at least if they are complimentary colors
[22:10] <GridCube> well the yellow one does look good
[22:10] <knome> looks like somebody spilled some pee in the progress bar
[22:10]  * knome hides
[22:10] <GridCube> XD
[22:11] <madnick> its my flag basically :<
[22:11] <GridCube> :P I just bucketed yellow over your thing XD
[22:12] <knome> madnick, i'm sorry for you (not for the flag, but the country)
[22:12] <knome> ;)
[22:12] <madnick> :D
[22:13] <knome> come visit helsinki
[22:13] <knome> :)
[22:13] <madnick> I sometimes go on Finland cruise
[22:14] <astraljava> knome: I don't think we have anything to boast, really, seeing as our flag inventors weren't sure whether we're christians or satanists. :D
[22:14] <knome> you live near/in stockholm, or somewhere else?
[22:14] <knome> astraljava, but isn't it the same with the swedish flag as well, except they peed on theirs?
[22:14] <madnick> I spend alot of time in Kiruna, but I have my more permanent home 200 km from stockholm :)
[22:14] <astraljava> Ahh, okay, then it's not any different for madnick. :)
[22:15] <knome> wow, that is a far away ;)
[22:15] <astraljava> Not so sure it's pee. Maybe they're just too pissed it resembles their skin colour better.
[22:15] <astraljava> Oh wait, I might be thinking France now.
[22:15] <madnick> its quite far :)
[22:16] <astraljava> This is #xubuntu-offtopic, right? ;D
[22:16] <knome> you might be actually as far away from Sysi than me
[22:16] <knome> astraljava, this is #xubuntu-devel(-offtopic)
[22:16] <knome> aka #the-xubuntu-chillout-lounge
[22:16]  * astraljava ^5's knome 
[22:18] <knome> astraljava, so which was your city again? :P
[22:24] <astraljava> Currently, Oulu.
[22:24] <knome> charlie-tca, https://launchpad.net/~irc-xubuntu-ops/+members#active - is this up-to-date?
[22:24] <astraljava> Don't expect that to last for too long, though.
[22:24] <knome> astraljava, so there's really nothing else to do in oulu than open source? :)
[22:25] <astraljava> knome: I see you've visited, sometime?
[22:25] <knome> oulu, no :|
[22:25] <astraljava> How did you know, then? :D
[22:25] <knome> heh, magic
[22:26] <knome> well, just look at the percentage of people from oulu amongst the finnish ubuntu contributors?
[22:26] <astraljava> Well, granted. I love Jyväskylä. But so far, it feels much, much superior.
[22:26] <astraljava> Really?
[22:26] <knome> i don't know
[22:26] <astraljava> Is that number somewhere public?
[22:26] <knome> you, Sysi, jussi01...
[22:27] <knome> that's three already!!
[22:27] <astraljava> Who's Sysi?
[22:27] <knome> WOOOT
[22:27] <astraljava> Yeah, coolness.
[22:27] <astraljava> We're in the same company with jussi. :D
[22:27] <knome> Sysi is somebody who occasionally hangs out here too, but at least in #xubuntu
[22:27] <knome> you are? haha
[22:27] <astraljava> Ahh... o kay.
[22:27] <knome> a young guy who is not so sure if he likes xfce or kde :D
[22:28] <astraljava> Hahaha!
[22:28] <astraljava> Youngsters.
[22:28]  * astraljava rolls eyes
[22:28] <knome> he's been giving some valuable feedback at #shimmer about xubuntu stuff
[22:28] <knome> ;)
[22:28] <astraljava> Oh okay, that's cool.
[22:28] <knome> i've even met jussi!
[22:28] <astraljava> I'm sorry. :(
[22:28] <knome> lol
[22:29] <astraljava> ;)
[22:29] <knome> he is a funny guy with the most hilarious laughter i've ever heard
[22:29] <astraljava> That's true,
[22:29] <astraljava> you can't escape it, no matter where in the office you hide
[22:29] <knome> OMG :D
[22:29] <pleia2> and jussi will be a father soon ;)
[22:29] <astraljava> ...or if you have the headphones on, and volume turned real up.
[22:30] <knome> but i have to say, jussi also thought i was *WEIRD*, so i think we're even, and you can tell jussi you're sorry too ;)
[22:30] <astraljava> pleia2: That's the part that truly scares me. :D
[22:30] <pleia2> astraljava: me too, I told him so :)
[22:30] <knome> haha
[22:30] <knome> at least he'd get a guy who is on the same level to play with him
[22:30] <knome> ERRR
[22:30] <astraljava> And to think, his wife is awesome! :D
[22:31] <knome> haven't met HER :(
[22:31] <pleia2> I haven't either
[22:31] <knome> astraljava, is she.. formally qualified?
[22:31] <astraljava> knome: They're not even in the same universe. :D
[22:31] <knome> pleia2, i haven't met you either! :)
[22:31] <GridCube> formally qualified?! XD
[22:31] <knome> astraljava, that was not a surprise
[22:32] <knome> astraljava, but how the heck did jussi manage to pull that move off then??
[22:32] <astraljava> I have no idea. :D
[22:32] <knome> astraljava, or are you saying his wife is worse?! omg...
[22:32]  * astraljava wipes away the tears
[22:32] <knome> even thinking about that makes my brain melt
[22:32] <astraljava> knome: HAHAHAH!!!
[22:33] <knome> GridCube, mm-hmm, you know... the form of an object... ;)
[22:33] <astraljava> Nah, seriously, awesome people, both of them. I've spent nights there, when I was just relocating etc.
[22:33] <astraljava> Really cool folks to hang out with.
[22:33] <knome> yeah, i believe you
[22:34] <knome> jussi really felt like he had a big warm heart, even if he was a bit weird
[22:34] <astraljava> And Jussi's like more finnish than I am.
[22:34] <knome> ;)
[22:34] <knome> so are you more australian than he is then, at least?
[22:34] <astraljava> knome: You have it spot on.
[22:34] <astraljava> In a sense.
[22:34] <knome> heh
[22:34] <astraljava> I like the heat better than he does. :D
[22:34] <knome> :D
[22:34] <pleia2> he made the sauna in budapest almost-die hot
[22:34] <knome> haha
[22:34] <astraljava> Well yeah, apart from the sauna.
[22:35] <knome> hehe
[22:35] <knome> astraljava, so where are you going/trying to relocate?
[22:35] <astraljava> But see, that's the finnish thing.
[22:35] <astraljava> I just moved from Jyväskylä.
[22:35] <knome> true. i'm not a very "durable" sauna person either
[22:36] <knome> astraljava, but you said you're not going to be in oulu for long? back to jyväskylä then?
[22:36] <astraljava> knome: I have no idea. We have an "office" in Dallas. Might go there. :)
[22:36] <knome> woot :D
[22:36] <pleia2> wow, that's quite a change
[22:36] <astraljava> Oh, that's just a fantasy.
[22:37] <pleia2> ah :)
[22:37] <knome> isn't it "just a mystery"
[22:37] <astraljava> From what I know, it's the closet of the sales guy we have there. :)
[22:37] <knome> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__DrJI7mTHQ
[22:37] <astraljava> It'd still beat the winters here. :)
[22:38] <knome> hopefully not the water closet
[22:38] <knome> that'd beat YOU
[22:38] <astraljava> Haha!
[22:38] <astraljava> Both to that and the video.
[22:39] <knome> the song is amazing, i know.
[22:39] <astraljava> I had no idea those two made a show together!
[22:40] <knome> lots of shows, actually
[22:40] <knome> or at least, been together in lots of shows
[22:41] <astraljava> Well, yeah, but didn't know of that particular show.
[22:41] <astraljava> Thanks for linking to that!
[22:41] <knome> mmh
[22:41] <knome> no problem
[22:41] <knome> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHNXMgBSei0
[22:44] <astraljava> *facepalm*
[22:46] <astraljava> I simply must have these on DVD. :D
[22:46] <knome> good. come visit me with them and we can watch them and my monty python's
[22:46] <astraljava> Stephen is a god, pure and simple.
[22:46] <knome> he is funny yeah
[22:47] <astraljava> And Hugh's not far from that, really.
[22:47] <knome> have you seen QU ?
[22:47] <knome> err, QI
[22:47] <astraljava> Alright, will do.
[22:47] <astraljava> Not sure, no.
[22:47] <knome> try that too
[22:47] <knome> it's a nice quiz-like show with fry
[22:49] <astraljava> Watching Cockney Rhyming Slang now.
[22:49] <knome> alan davies is actually funny too!
[22:52] <astraljava> Oh indeed he is! Always thought as much.
[22:53] <knome> he's a regular at QI, so lots of fun with that couple too in that series
[22:55] <knome> i love how the show is so relaxed, no real rush to get all the things/questions in the show really, they'll sometimes take long long sidetracks
[22:56] <astraljava> Yeah. They don't do such shows anymore, do they? I mean, the showbiz?
[22:56] <knome> i think QI might still be on
[22:57] <astraljava> All the best ones have been done, by the british, decades ago.
[22:57] <astraljava> Really?!
[22:57] <astraljava> w00T!
[22:57] <knome> yeah, watched it from BBC when i was visiting london in february
[22:57] <knome> might have been replays too though, but i have a feeling that the show might still be on
[22:57] <astraljava> That's really nice of them.
[22:58] <knome> "QI are recording the I series in May and June 2011, which will transmit on BBC2 in the autumn."
[22:58] <knome> I series as in the ninth series
[22:59] <knome> too bad there is only DVD's from the first three series
[22:59] <knome> otherwise i might be hooked in buying them all!
[23:01] <astraljava> Goddamn. We must get on a frenzy of writing demanding letters to the BBC. We'll visit their HQ, like the guy from imnotrightfromthehead.com did (or something.)
[23:01] <astraljava> Oh, but that was Facebook, not BBC.
[23:01] <knome> heh
[23:02] <knome> if i've understood correctly, even the three first series were published because some loony with lots of money wanted to donate some of them so they could do some DVD releases
[23:04] <astraljava> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRDusNquuqk&feature=related
[23:04] <knome> hmm
[23:04] <knome> haven't seen that
[23:06] <knome> haha, funny
[23:06] <astraljava> Oh dear gawd! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPXCcZgDQgk&feature=related
[23:06] <astraljava> When you hear it, you cannot unhear it.
[23:06] <knome> THAT's FUNNY!
[23:07] <knome> and you can't unsee those skills either
[23:07] <knome> that orange-shirted guy
[23:07] <knome> that's just OMG
[23:07] <knome> i want to be able to eat spaghetti like that
[23:08] <astraljava> Hehehe.
[23:09] <astraljava> Oh knome, knomeknomeknome... I will never forgive you for introducing me to this show. Neither will Jussi, I believe, tomorrow at the office. :)
[23:09] <knome> hehe
[23:10] <knome> tell jussi he owes me one beer more if he likes the show
[23:11] <astraljava> Oh I will do so.
[23:12] <astraljava> He promised me beer too, if I helped painting his house.
[23:12] <knome> hehe
[23:12] <knome> sometime, come both to helsinki
[23:12] <astraljava> I will then commence drinking the beer he owes you, and forget to pay it back (to you) when we meet.
[23:12] <knome> haha
[23:17] <astraljava> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfjvRR41How&feature=relmfu
[23:18] <knome> haha
[23:19] <knome> i can imagine jussi giggling while looking at that clip
[23:19] <astraljava> Indeed.
[23:19] <knome> did you know there is the full episodes also?
[23:19] <knome> just start with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLb9Pv7EM2M
[23:19] <knome> (nice theme music as well!)
[23:22] <astraljava> Curse you to hell!
[23:22] <knome> har har
[23:23] <astraljava> I'm already unproductive with the clips, thankyouverymuch!
[23:23] <knome> hehe
[23:23] <knome> now you're going to have things to do at work tomorrow at least!
[23:24] <knome> and jussi too!
[23:25] <knome> gosh, i'm hungry
[23:25] <knome> shouldn't have watched the gordon ramsay clips
[23:26] <astraljava> Hehehe. :)
[23:41] <knome> going to grab something
[23:49] <knome> hhm, gordon ramsay -quality tuna straight from the can
[23:49] <knome> ;)
[23:54] <astraljava> Oh, that's the best. :)