[02:13] <ScottK> yofel: s-c-p?  No, works for me, but I have 4.6.2.
[08:42] <bambee> morning
[09:20] <markey> KDE 4.7 just hit ftp.kde.org :)
[09:20] <markey> when can we expect Kubuntu packages?
[09:20]  * markey wants to demo it at the Release Party on Saturday
[09:20] <Tm_T> "later this year" (;)
[09:21] <markey> -EFAIL
[09:21] <yofel> oneiric packages are pretty much done, natty needs more people doing the backporting
[09:21] <yofel> see packaging link in the /topic
[09:22]  * markey is using Natty
[09:23] <markey> btw, Oneiric is the worst name so far. just when you though it couldn't get any worse
[09:23]  * yofel just calls it O usually
[09:23] <markey> reminds me of something I do in front of the PC
[09:23] <yofel> lol
[09:23] <markey> Shuttleworth screwed that up for good
[09:24] <yofel> well, on the good side, he can't do much worse for P :P
[09:24] <Tm_T> I don't even know what it means, I think that's usually a good sign (;
[09:24] <markey> I wouldn't be so sure
[09:24] <Tm_T> yofel: Purverted Penguins?
[09:24] <markey> Porn Pimp
[09:25] <Tm_T> sorry, no animal located on that
[09:25] <markey> does he still choose the names by himself?
[09:25] <yofel> he does
[09:25] <markey> or is that design-by-committee
[09:25] <markey> oh yeah, it shows
[09:25] <markey> taste is something he never had
[09:26] <Tm_T> bah, sabdfl wasn't here ):
[09:26] <markey> I don't care, tbh
[09:26] <markey> I've told him straight to his face that he makes bad decisions
[09:27] <markey> could tell you some funny insider stories about Qt and Shuttleworth
[09:27] <markey> but I won't.
[09:29] <Quintasan> Good morning
[09:29] <yofel> morning Quintasan
[09:30] <Quintasan> markey: Pretentious Penguin :P
[09:30] <yofel> can you please not use something harder to write than oneiric?
[09:31] <Quintasan> :D
[09:31] <Quintasan> Did I mention that UDS-P should be  in Poland?
[09:31] <Tm_T> preposterous penguin ):
[09:31] <yofel> pouty penguin
[09:32] <Quintasan> Was there Ubuntu A?
[09:32] <Quintasan> Anarchist Anaconda :O
[09:32] <yofel> no, they started with warty and then went with breezy
[09:32] <markey> Anal Assapes
[09:32] <Quintasan> :O
[09:32] <yofel> let's skip W ^^
[09:33] <Quintasan> me be playin games now
[09:33] <yofel> hey!
[09:33] <markey> how about, we make Kubuntu the official KDE distro, and get rid of the Shuttleworth BS
[09:33] <yofel> do backports
[09:33] <markey> ok, then the SUSE nerds would be pissed
[09:33] <Quintasan> :/
[09:34] <Quintasan> Let me de-brain myself, k yofel?
[09:34] <yofel> lol, have fun
[09:34] <Quintasan> markey: lol ok
[09:34] <yofel> someone teach not-installed syntax to shadeslayer -.-
[09:34] <Quintasan> :D
[09:35] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^^
[09:35] <yofel> it's ./usr/lib/librocslib.so, not -./usr/lib/librocslib.so
[09:35] <Quintasan> wrap-and-sort++
[09:35] <yofel> +1
[09:35] <Quintasan> :%s/-/
[09:36] <Quintasan> and you are done
[09:36] <yofel> that's what I did :P
[09:36] <Quintasan> regexp++
[09:36] <yofel> vim++
[09:36] <Quintasan> kubotu: karma c
[09:36] <kubotu> karma for c: 236
[09:36] <yofel> heh
[09:36] <Quintasan> ~karma c++
[09:36] <kubotu> karma for c++: 3
[09:36] <Quintasan> c++++
[09:37] <Quintasan> ~karma _++
[09:37] <kubotu> _++ has neutral karma
[09:37] <Quintasan> derp
[09:37] <Quintasan> ~karma c++
[09:37] <kubotu> karma for c++: 4
[09:37] <Quintasan> :O
[09:37] <yofel> ~karma c
[09:37] <kubotu> karma for c: 238
[09:37] <yofel> lol, asking for c++ karma adds to c ^^
[09:37] <yofel> ~karma c
[09:37] <kubotu> karma for c: 239
[09:37] <Quintasan> it also bumps C's karma?!
[09:38] <yofel> even funnier
[09:38] <Quintasan> apachelogger: kubotu can't  count
[09:39] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/rocs] Philip Muškovac * 9 * debian/ (changelog control not-installed) New upstream release, fix not-installed syntax
[09:40] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/step] Philip Muškovac * 7 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[09:40] <yofel> k, O done except mono insanity
[09:41] <yofel> ah, and kstars
[09:43] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/svgpart] Philip Muškovac * 20 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[09:58] <Quintasan> yofel: I was wondering if its possible to automate backporting
[10:00] <yofel> well, theoretically yes
[10:00] <yofel> all you need is a new changelog entry, downgrade boost depends, rebuild, update symbols, sign, upload
[10:02] <Quintasan> wait, new symbols?
[10:02] <Quintasan> dont we already have symbols updated?
[10:03] <yofel> no, MISSING symbols, since gcc 4.6 adds new ones that aren't there with 4.5
[10:03] <yofel> and some of the packages don't have -c0 
[10:03] <Quintasan> eh
[10:04] <yofel> although most packages don't have symbol files, so those don't need a build
[10:08] <Quintasan> Hmm
[10:09]  * yofel rather needs to figure out how to automate build of -dbg packages without -dbg being in control
[10:17]  * yofel backports redland and hopes nothing breaks
[12:32] <bambee> ftbfs for pykde4  -> wrong soprano version ?
[12:32] <bambee> "error: 'maintainedBy' is not a member of 'Soprano::Vocabulary::NAO' "
[12:32] <bambee> " error: 'Agent' is not a member of 'Soprano::Vocabulary::NAO' "
[12:59] <ScottK> Any reason not to start uploading 4.7.0 to oneiric?
[13:00] <ScottK> apachelogger, JontheEchidna, debfx, Quintasan, who else?
[13:03]  * ScottK starts with kde4libs
[13:13] <ScottK> Done
[13:14] <ScottK> Ideally we'll let that build and then start on the rest.
[13:19] <debfx> don't forget meta-kde
[13:20] <ScottK> Depwait due to a LP buildd bug anyway.
[13:27] <ScottK> Fixing
[13:31] <ScottK> OK.  Let's see how that does.
[13:33] <ScottK> debfx: I need to focus on $WORK for awhile, so feel free to jump in and start uploading.
[13:36] <muntiKubu> dstrowatch is saying 4.7 is out?
[13:37] <muntiKubu> but looks like they were released early?  timestamp in stable is 7/22?
[13:38] <ScottK> muntiKubu: It's normal for them to roll the tarballs early for private testing and so packagers can work on them.
[13:38] <ScottK> We've just started uploading 4.7.0 to oneiric.
[13:38] <muntiKubu> ScottK: that's great news!  meaning yofel is now done with packaging?  :)
[13:39] <ScottK> It wasn't just yofel, but yes.  It's done for oneiric.
[13:39] <muntiKubu> I know..just teasing
[13:41] <muntiKubu> ScottK: but they aren't showing up yet in oneiric?
[13:41] <ScottK> muntiKubu: No.  Just started.
[13:41] <ScottK> It takes time to get them all uploaded and compiled.
[13:43] <muntiKubu> it must have been very stable as only see runtime updated since 7/22?
[14:15] <bambee> hehehe 8 minutes -> 22 kills :D
[14:15]  * bambee is on fire
[14:26] <Quintasan> MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDIC
[14:27]  * Quintasan goes to backports
[14:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: playing tf2 were you? :P
[14:27] <Quintasan> DOCTOR!
[14:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: i didn't know that 
[14:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i'll finish the tf2 download tonight probably
[14:28] <shadeslayer> want to play in a couple of hours? i'm a newb at it
[14:28] <Quintasan> As in "I finish the download so I ask for a beatin'?"
[14:28] <Quintasan> :P
[14:28] <shadeslayer> sure :P
[14:28] <Quintasan> MEEEEDIC
[14:28] <Quintasan> ScottK: When are we going to upload 4.7.0?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> you don't want to hear what that sounds like to me
[14:29] <ScottK> Quintasan: I uploaded libs already.
[14:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: dude, you finished soprano? 
[14:29] <Quintasan> ScottK: Okay, I will start uploading soon
[14:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: before copying the packages to the staging ppa, we need to fix the versioning on gmp and raptor2
[14:31] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Heavy has the best voice
[14:31] <Quintasan> really
[14:31] <Quintasan> :D
[14:31] <shadeslayer> who's 'Heavy' ?
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you'll need to teach me this stuff :P
[14:31] <Quintasan> One of the class in TF
[14:32] <Quintasan> heavy is a spy
[14:32] <shadeslayer> nevar played TF2 ... i've only heard that its awesome
[14:32] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OsF0O5vd1s
[14:32] <yofel> re
[14:32] <yofel> bambee: I might have uploaded that before soprano was built
[14:33] <yofel> shadeslayer: I pushed that so we can continue working, but right, redland stuff needs a recheck
[14:34] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: lol
[14:34] <Quintasan> Today is a good day to be Spy
[14:35] <bambee> arrfff everyone plays to tf2 here... I am the only one who plays to urban terror :(
[14:35]  * yofel actually downloaded tf2 once, never got to really play it
[14:35] <shadeslayer> bambee: i don't play it ... yet
[14:36] <Quintasan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQFgI0qYqTI&feature=related
[14:36] <Quintasan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXFCII94V1Q&feature=related
[14:36] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:36] <Quintasan> OH GOD
[14:36]  * yofel plays minecraft :P
[14:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: is that a BSOD ? :D
[14:36] <Quintasan> yes
[14:37] <yofel> lol, nice bsod :D
[14:37] <Quintasan> I recommend the movies at http://www.youtube.com/user/teamfortress
[14:38] <shadeslayer> i've seen the medic video
[14:39] <yofel> lol, even the cat made it into the video
[14:39] <Quintasan> Now...let's go practice medicine!
[14:40] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:43] <debfx> yofel actually downloaded tf2 once, never got to really play it <-- it's time to change that :P
[14:43] <yofel> a) we have other things to do b) I'll try it once I've finished planning and building a fortress in minecraft ;)
[14:47] <debfx> tf2 doesn't really have fortresses except on 2fort but no one plays that. so no need for b)  :)
[14:47]  * bambee tries tf2
[14:55] <Quintasan> MEEEEEEEEEEEDIC
[14:56] <ScottK> Quintasan: kde4libs 4.7.0 will be available to build against in ~50 minutes for i386 and amd64.  I'd go ahead with the meta-kde upload and then start with the rest in ~an hour.
[14:57] <Quintasan> ScottK: Mmkay
[14:57] <debfx> ScottK: how do I build packages for oneiric on your arm machine?
[14:57] <debfx> ScottK: I've already uploaded meta-kde
[14:57] <ScottK> Ah.  Cool.
[14:57] <ScottK> debfx: pbuilder-dist oneiric build file.dsc
[14:58] <ScottK> (I'd update first though)
[14:58] <ScottK> I think we set defaults to use a standard tarball.
[14:58] <ScottK> If not there's one in /home you can copy into your $USER/pbuilder
[15:06] <shadeslayer> btw for some reason DEBBUILDOPTS="-j15" in my pbuiderrc doesn't seem to work
[15:06] <shadeslayer> i see all the load being dumped on one core
[15:07] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Y U REPLACE ME AT KDEADMIN
[15:07] <Quintasan> also
[15:07] <shadeslayer> what
[15:07] <Quintasan> -j15 stopped working here too
[15:07] <shadeslayer> kdeadmin was empty
[15:07] <Quintasan> I just uplaoded it
[15:07] <shadeslayer> uh ... for natty?
[15:07] <Quintasan> y
[15:07]  * shadeslayer waves fist at his trackpad
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: my vad
[15:08] <shadeslayer> bleh
[15:08] <shadeslayer> *bad
[15:08] <Quintasan> How do we fix BUILDOPTS
[15:08] <yofel> still works for me...
[15:11] <Quintasan> libktorrent-dev (>= 1.1) but it is not going to be installed.
[15:11] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: backport ktorrent
[15:12] <shadeslayer> kwilldo
[15:12] <shadeslayer> doing wallpapers first
[15:13] <shadeslayer> or i'll just multitask
[15:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you need ktorrent from oneiric right?
[15:21] <Quintasan> libktorrent-dev (>= 1.1)
[15:21] <bambee> arrrff steam fails :'(
[15:22] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:22] <shadeslayer> bambee: steam fails?
[15:22] <bambee> shadeslayer: when I try to install steam, I get an error "VGUI_Setup failed"
[15:23] <bambee> (I use playonlinux)
[15:24] <bambee> shadeslayer: it sucks,  if I cannot install steam, I won't kill you! :P
[15:25] <shadeslayer> hahahah :P
[15:25] <bambee> and won't kill Quintasan :(
[15:25] <bambee> :'(
[15:25] <bambee> :D
[15:25] <shadeslayer> bambee: here's the fun part, the OS X installer had a shell script which looks like it provides support for linux
[15:25] <yofel> come to berlin and do it yourself ;P
[15:25] <yofel> or make him install steam for you
[15:27] <bambee> shadeslayer: you play on steam via OS X?
[15:28] <shadeslayer> yus
[15:32] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/102367
[15:32] <Quintasan> How nice
[15:34] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ping me when KTorrent is backported to ninjas
[15:34] <shadeslayer> sure
[15:35] <shadeslayer> its going to take some time, because right now i'm capped at 600 kbps
[15:35] <shadeslayer> about 30 minutes or so
[15:36] <Quintasan> yofel: Any idea how should we deal with libkexiv2-dev?
[15:36] <Quintasan> We have 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu1 in natty, nothing in ppa and we need 4.7.0
[15:36] <shadeslayer> i was going to ask the same thing
[15:37] <shadeslayer> kdeartwork needs it as well
[15:37] <Quintasan> plasma-addons too
[15:38] <yofel> libexiv2 is FTBFS. haven't looked at it
[15:38] <yofel> *libkexiv2
[15:38] <Quintasan> :|
[15:38] <Quintasan> This means rest stuff has to wait until it's done
[15:38] <Quintasan> God damn it
[15:39] <Quintasan> Where the hell is exactly libkexiv stored?
[15:40] <shadeslayer> also has missing symbols
[15:41] <Quintasan> What has missing symbols?
[15:41] <shadeslayer> libexiv2
[15:41] <Quintasan> :/
[15:44] <Quintasan> This makes me unhappy
[15:47] <shadeslayer> since i couldn't find anything else wrong with kdeartwork, i'll blame libexiv2-dev http://paste.ubuntu.com/653185/
[15:48] <shadeslayer> wait what :                                  Depends: kde-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.6.80) which is a virtual package.
[15:49] <shadeslayer> oh derp
[15:50] <shadeslayer> wrong pbuilder etc
[15:51] <shadeslayer> ok, now to wait on libexiv :   kde-sc-dev-latest: Breaks: libkexiv2-dev (< 4:4.7.0) but 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[15:51] <debfx> ScottK: do you have an idea what this error is about? g++: fatal error: -fuse-linker-plugin, but liblto_plugin.so not found
[15:53] <ScottK> gcc-4.6-arm-linux-gnueabi is installed?
[15:53]  * ScottK looks at pimlibs
[15:54] <debfx> no, not installed
[15:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: update your pbuilder with new rc file
[15:55] <shadeslayer> the flags worked after i  did that
[15:55] <ScottK> Then you're missing that.  Not sure why.
[15:55]  * Quintasan tries libkexiv
[15:56] <Quintasan> debfx: If libkexiv2 has missing symbols should I use X-Debian-ABI?
[15:56] <debfx> ScottK: isn't that package only used for cross compiling?
[15:56] <ScottK> Is it?
[15:56] <ScottK> Not sure.
[15:57] <Quintasan> /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/cmake/DebianABIManager.cmake:16: *** missing separator. Stop.
[15:57] <Quintasan> wtf
[15:57] <debfx> Quintasan: depends on the symbols, I hope they didn't break ABI between rc1 and final
[15:57] <yofel> wait, we are talking about NATTY backports
[15:58] <Quintasan> Yes we are
[15:58] <yofel> most of the missing symbols are due to gcc 4.6 -> 4.5 change
[15:58] <debfx> ScottK: "This package contains C cross-compiler for armel architecture." and it's only available for i386 and amd64
[15:58] <ScottK> Hmm.
[15:58] <ScottK> No idea then.
[15:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: uploaded libktorrent, will upload ktorrent after it builds
[16:00] <yofel> if no symbols from _before_ 4.6.80 are missing you should be fine
[16:00] <ScottK> pimlibs uploaded.
[16:02] <debfx> ScottK: seems to be an icecc bug
[16:04]  * bambee is wondering if apachelogger can be kill at tf2... is he immortal?
[16:04] <bambee> killed*
[16:05] <ScottK> debfx: Interesting.  
[16:05]  * ScottK looks over at apachelogger then.
[16:05] <apachelogger> I not be here
[16:05] <Quintasan> #MISSING: 4:4.7.0# (optional=templinst)_ZNSsC2IPcEET_S1_RKSaIcE@Base 4:4.6.3
[16:05] <Quintasan> OH GREAT
[16:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger is probably in pornon land
[16:08] <Quintasan> yofel: If I kick away the symbols it builds
[16:08] <Quintasan> The question is, are those 4.6.3 symbols safe to remove
[16:09] <Quintasan> wait
[16:09] <Quintasan> libkexiv2 is backported
[16:09] <Quintasan> @_@
[16:10] <yofel> well yeah, but FTBFS (that symbol issue I guess)
[16:22] <Quintasan> yofel: Can you kick the symbols out?
[16:23] <yofel> sure, lemme fetch the buildlog
[16:24] <Quintasan> I do not think we will have brekage but well, it will need testing
[16:25] <yofel> not quite sure either what's up with those 4.6.3 symbols
[16:26] <Quintasan> kick them out and we will find out :P
[16:26] <yofel> up
[16:28] <Quintasan> building kdenetwork
[16:31] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yofel http://i.imgur.com/YIKlu.png
[16:34] <yofel> :O
[16:34]  * debfx pushes kubuntu-update-symbols script to kubuntu-dev-tools
[16:34]  * yofel notes debfx hasn't filled out his doodle poll :P
[16:35] <debfx> oh right, forgot about that, sorry
[16:35] <ScottK> yofel: What's the link?
[16:36] <debfx> yofel: today at 7 PM CET is fine :D
[16:36] <debfx> ScottK: http://www.doodle.com/8qqp944fzt3vfy9a
[16:37] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[16:37] <yofel> lol
[16:37] <yofel> let's wait for jonathan at least, so far friday looks good 
[16:40] <ScottK> Assuming the timezone is what the web site claimed, I'm set.
[16:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ktorrent uploaded to ninjas as well, is libexiv2 fixed yet?
[16:41] <yofel> I did enable time zone support IIRC
[16:41] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: yofel will know about exiv
[16:41] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:41] <yofel> still building
[16:45] <yofel> shadeslayer: fixed (i386 still building)
[16:46] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:46]  * ScottK looks at libkdeedu
[16:50] <Quintasan> kdenetwork uploaded
[16:52] <ScottK> libkdeedu uploaded.
[16:53] <debfx> yofel: friday is fine with me, let's hope JontheEchidna isn't busy playing video games ;)
[16:53] <yofel> heh
[16:55] <shadeslayer> i can attend friday too ... to watch the grilling :>
[16:55] <yofel> ScottK: can you look at smoke? smokegen should be fine, smoke(qt|kde) has copyright information from the authors in debian/copyright that isn't in the package
[16:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: don't expect me to lend you popcorn though :P
[16:56] <ScottK> yofel: Is it uploaded somewhere?
[16:56] <yofel> ninjas
[16:56] <yofel> and bzr
[16:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: i'll get my own then :P
[16:59] <shadeslayer> wheeee ... unscheduled sync from debian
[17:01] <bambee> I could also apply for "kubuntu-packagers" membership (ie, lp:~kubuntu-packagers) at the next meeting? or it's too earlier ?
[17:03] <bambee> it would avoid to yofel to merge my work everytime :p
[17:04] <ScottK> yofel: I'd ask pino where he got the copyright info and to commit the changes upstream.
[17:04] <yofel> just apply for kubuntu-member, you've been around for a while. Start by setting up a wiki page in any case
[17:04] <ScottK> bambee: You should apply for kubuntu-member.
[17:06] <yofel> ScottK: I mailed dpalacio since he added that - response: "From git history. I pointed this issue to Richard Dale on IRC some days agotelling him this information should be in the distributed tarball."
[17:06] <yofel> haven't heard back yet so I'll poke again
[17:06] <ScottK> OK.
[17:07] <ScottK> yofel: I don't think that needs to block upload.
[17:07] <ScottK> Looking at libkipi
[17:07] <shadeslayer> did anyone upload the new libindi and the one other driver in the ppa?
[17:07] <yofel> k, thanks
[17:11] <ScottK> libkipi uploaded.
[17:12] <bambee> ScottK: seriously? 
[17:12] <bambee> :D
[17:12] <bambee> kubuntu-member is great too hehe :D
[17:13] <ScottK> bambee: You've contributed plenty.  It'll get you access to the branches.  You need to do it for kubuntu-dev anyway.
[17:13] <bambee> :)
[17:13] <bambee> ok ;)
[17:17]  * bambee is reading https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Membership for more details
[17:23]  * ScottK looks at kde-runtime
[17:24] <ScottK> Anyone else who can is welcome to start uploading stuff.
[17:32] <ryanakca> ScottK: Is there anything to do about libinfinity's unintended sync earlier today? If I'm not mistaken, it will break kobby and libqinfinity.
[17:32] <ScottK> We could revert the change.
[17:33] <ryanakca> Alright, I'll ask Phil Kern if he minds having his library bumped back to an earlier version. Otherwise, kobby and libqinfinity will either need to be patched or removed.
[17:38] <Quintasan> ScottK: Uploading workspace
[17:38] <ScottK> OK.
[17:41] <ScottK> kde-runtime uploaded
[17:43] <Quintasan> ScottK: workspace has to wait for pimlibs
[17:44] <LaserJock> what's being uploaded?
[17:44] <LaserJock> or what are the ninjas up to today?
[17:44] <Quintasan> LaserJock: 4.7.0 to oneiric
[17:45] <LaserJock> oh, awesome
[17:45] <Quintasan> wtf
[17:45] <LaserJock> I thought maybe you were fixing the LP sync oops
[17:45] <ScottK> Quintasan: Should be there now for i386 and amd64.
[17:46] <Quintasan> retrying
[17:47] <ScottK> Quintasan: kde-baseapps doesn't need to wait on anything.
[17:47] <ScottK> (except on armel, almost everything on armel is going to have to be retried)
[17:47] <Quintasan> The question is, is the tarball over 30mb?
[17:48] <yofel> iirc no
[17:48] <ScottK> -rw-r--r-- 1 ftpadmin packager 2470107 Jul 22 15:25 kde-baseapps-4.7.0.tar.bz2
[17:48] <yofel> baseapps is 2.4M
[17:49] <Quintasan> ScottK: When asking me to upload please consider anything over 30mb will take ages :P
[17:49] <Quintasan> ffs
[17:49] <ScottK> OK.
[17:49] <Quintasan> What's wrong with pbuilder
[17:49] <ScottK> Quintasan: I'll do oxygen-icons then.
[17:49]  * Quintasan looks at kde-baseapps
[17:55] <ScottK> Oxygen-icons is 373MB.
[17:59] <Quintasan> kde-baseapps uploaded
[18:08] <ScottK> oxygen-icons uploading (and it will be for a while)
[18:08] <yofel> debfx: nice script :D
[18:09] <muntiKubu> ScottK: that was quick..now have 4.7 .  thanks for all your hard work.  I know you do much more than yofel..:)
[18:09] <ScottK> muntiKubu: You only have part of it.  We're still uploading it.  There will be an announcement when it's all there.
[18:10] <muntiKubu> no offense yofel..
[18:12]  * yofel fetches a konqi statue and runs after muntiKubu
[18:12] <yofel> :P
[18:14] <muntiKubu> how do I get the source for dolphin? I need to add call to reload when a folder is opened
[18:15] <yofel> once it's uploaded with apt-get source dolphin
[18:16] <muntiKubu> yofel: great..thanks. does kubuntu has git repos?
[18:17] <yofel> muntiKubu: we use bzr, see apt-cache showsrc for the locations
[18:18] <muntiKubu> any plan to move to git?
[18:19] <yofel> launchpad doesn't support anything else except bzr, so moving to git would probably mean moving to alioth
[18:19] <ejat> yofel : is 4.7 available for natty yet ?
[18:19] <yofel> ejat: no, see link in topic - tomorrow I hope
[18:20] <ejat> ok … already looking at it .. thanks … 
[18:23] <muntiKubu> ok. thanks to all Kubuntu devs for the great job today (and tomorrow as well )
[18:23] <ryanakca> ScottK: Alright, we've concluded that it's kobby and libqinfinity that should go. Do I need to file a bug report or can you do it directly? I'm considering having the two removed from Debian as well.
[18:23] <Quintasan> uploading kde-workspace
[18:24] <ScottK> ryanakca: File a bug.
[18:24] <ScottK> Quintasan: I thought you did already.
[18:24] <Quintasan> I'm not uploading before test building and pbuilder just finished it
[18:24] <ScottK> OK.
[18:24] <ryanakca> Upstream has been unresponsive (ignoring emails while still actively commiting to his other projects) and they've been broken in Debian for 3.5 months without anybody complaining.
[18:25] <ScottK> Sounds reasonable.
[18:32] <bambee> a wiki page like following is good ? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RomainPerier
[18:36] <yofel> looks fine on first glance
[18:36] <yofel> longer than mine actually ^^
[18:36] <bambee> I've a lot of list items ^^
[18:36] <bambee> probably for that...
[18:37] <yofel> and you used more spacing, which isn't bad actually ^^
[18:39] <Quintasan> kde-workspace uploaded
[18:39] <yofel> it does make the page look a bit stretched though
[18:39] <yofel> but the content is more important, and that looks ok
[18:42] <ryanakca> ScottK: Bug #817161
[18:43] <_Groo_> yofel: ping
[18:43] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:43] <yofel> pong
[18:43] <_Groo_> yofel: hey hey :)
[18:44] <_Groo_> yofel: since im too busy this month to help with 4.7, the least i can do is test the 4.7 in ninjas and report/fix whatever i find :)
[18:44] <ScottK> ryanakca: Acked.
[18:44] <_Groo_> yofel: so as soon as the packages complete, im gonna update my natty and ill get back to you with what i find :)
[18:44] <yofel> _Groo_: you /could/ debug kcm_synaptiks
[18:44] <_Groo_> yofel: whats wrong with it?
[18:45] <yofel> crashes, but natty testing would be very appreciated
[18:45] <_Groo_> yofel: i will
[18:45] <_Groo_> yofel: gonna check the kubuntu patches first
[18:45] <ryanakca> Thanks
[18:45] <_Groo_> yofel: ill test it, what kinda crashes are the most common?
[18:46] <yofel> none, the touchpad settings are the only thing that crashes here
[18:46] <yofel> and I don't get the trace
[18:46] <_Groo_> yofel:  it simply doesnt open?
[18:46] <yofel> sec
[18:46] <_Groo_> btw im doing calligra for natty weekly and they are in very good shape :)
[18:46] <_Groo_> packages i mean
[18:47] <_Groo_> also calligra is starting to be amazing... use it all the time
[18:47] <yofel> _Groo_: http://paste.kde.org/102547
[18:47] <_Groo_> aparently sip is to blame
[18:47] <yofel> what seems to crash is the delete d; call in the destructor of kaboutdata, but that's where my understanding ends
[18:48] <_Groo_> i bet on sip
[18:48] <_Groo_> its always a pain
[18:48] <yofel> or sip, but someone needs to fix the debuggins symbols for it
[18:48] <yofel> they don't seem to be in the path that gdb looks for them in
[18:48] <_Groo_> is sip a new version? or the old one?
[18:48] <yofel> old one
[18:48] <_Groo_> ahhh thats it then
[18:48] <_Groo_> sip always break between each release
[18:48] <_Groo_> ALWAYS
[18:49] <_Groo_> im gonna do the following
[18:49] <yofel> no, usually it's an ABI mismatch due to new versions
[18:49] <yofel> not a crash like that
[18:49] <_Groo_> as soon as i update and run a good run, im gonna try to backport the new sip
[18:49] <_Groo_> thats the thing
[18:49] <yofel> _Groo_: that crash happens on oneiric
[18:49] <yofel> we have no new sip
[18:49] <_Groo_> sip is a bitch cause the ABI can be the same but some stuff changes internally and hes very sensitive
[18:50] <_Groo_> yofel: sip form git/svn
[18:50] <_Groo_> yofel: contact the author may help too
[18:50] <yofel> well, feel free to try it, I'm at the end of my knowledge
[18:51] <_Groo_> yofel: line 7
[18:51] <_Groo_> #10 0x00007ffdee6f77f6 in release_KAboutData (sipCppV=0x170d520) at sip/kdecore/sipkdecorepart7.cpp:18267
[18:52] <_Groo_> yeah its something thats rubbing sip in the wrong way
[18:52] <_Groo_> but for me definitely its sip fault
[18:52] <yofel> yeah, problem: sip/kdecore/sipkdecorepart7.cpp is auto-generated, and I've got other things to do before rebuilding sip by hand
[18:52] <_Groo_> this kind of random crashes happened with kde printing in 4.6 too , sip had to be updated
[18:53] <yofel> no, *those* were ABI mismatch errors with python traces
[18:53] <_Groo_> yofel: hmmm
[18:53] <yofel> and this trace comes out of
[18:53] <yofel> #8  ~Private (this=0x170d520, __in_chrg=<value optimized out>) at ../../kdecore/kernel/kaboutdata.cpp:392
[18:53] <yofel> #9  KAboutData::~KAboutData (this=0x170d520, __in_chrg=<value optimized out>) at ../../kdecore/kernel/kaboutdata.cpp:477
[18:53] <_Groo_> yofel: do we have the contact for the sip author? he might be able to shed some light
[18:53] <yofel> since I doubt the deref call in Qt is broken
[18:53] <_Groo_> yofel: true
[18:54] <_Groo_> yofel: but the trace is not very helpfull too.. could be something totally unrelated and we only see this part
[18:54] <_Groo_> yofel: ok im gonna try to see whats going on :)
[18:54] <ScottK> Looking at kate
[18:54] <_Groo_> yofel: prolly the packages will be complete today, so im gonna update tonight or tomorrow when i get back to work
[18:54] <yofel> _Groo_: I'll try to finish them, but we'll see
[18:55] <_Groo_> yofel: np, but ill keep it my todo to see whats going on
[18:55] <yofel> thanks
[18:55] <_Groo_> yofel: others things will break too for sure :D
[18:55] <_Groo_> yofel: sorry i cant be more helpful with this release, but im on a very tight schedule this month :P
[18:56] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping
[18:56] <yofel> nah, np, I'm on vacation, that's why I've time to do so many packages ;)
[18:56] <_Groo_> yofel: jelly :D
[18:57] <_Groo_> ScottK: btw if you guys want next days packages for calligra, im all set up
[18:57] <_Groo_> ScottK: im doing weekly builds for natty :)
[18:58] <ScottK> How close is Calligra to a release?
[18:58] <yofel> if they're usable they might be something for the experimental PPA
[18:58] <yofel> bah
[18:58] <yofel> I need to set up a feedback page for kdepim ~.~
[18:58] <yofel> too much todo
[18:58] <_Groo_> yofel: they are starting to shape up
[18:59] <_Groo_> flow already has the engine working correctly (you can now unite points), word is very stable, presentation is a dream
[18:59] <_Groo_> plan still crashes with some templates
[18:59] <yofel> :)
[19:00] <_Groo_> braindump... welll i dont know how to work with it... i used freemind before... but i simply cant figure out braindump, maybe its missing fetaures
[19:00] <_Groo_> but overall, it will be a VERY VERY impressive release
[19:00] <_Groo_> it will really blow away a lot of ppl
[19:00] <_Groo_> and its faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast
[19:00] <debfx> hm we need a retry-kde-plasma-workspace-kde-applications-and-kde-platform-builds script
[19:01] <debfx> preferably with exactly that name
[19:01] <_Groo_> one or two more releases like this one, and libreoffice/open will be a distant memory
[19:01] <ScottK> yofel: Why did usr/include/artisticcomment.h and usr/share/kde4/config/artisticcommentrc get dropped from kate?
[19:02] <yofel> ScottK: can't remember, give me a minute
[19:03] <_Groo_> btw in calligra packaging i did a little... dirty thing... but ill remove it for a oficial release
[19:03] <_Groo_> since calligra is still a moving target, with a lot of packages being moved/deleted/added
[19:04] <_Groo_> i created a new package inside called calligra-others where i dump the changes between releases, and as things settle i move them to the proper places
[19:04] <_Groo_> it cuts the time to have a proper package set... and in final, i just need to move whats inside and remove the package :)
[19:05] <yofel> ScottK: that went away in 4a779a3d58b77d420ef6efac283bb8a4818da5f2 "remove playground from stable"
[19:05] <ScottK> OK.
[19:05] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:07] <ScottK> kate uploaded
[19:07] <yofel> good, with that kdevelop won't need kate anymore
[19:08] <yofel> _Groo_: do you use kdevelop?
[19:08] <_Groo_> yofel: sometimes when i play with python or php
[19:08] <_Groo_> eric is nice but kinda complex
[19:08] <_Groo_> i prefer kdeveloper power/simplicity
[19:08] <yofel> can you do some regression testing on the natty packages in staging?
[19:09] <_Groo_> i downloaded them yesterday but didnt had time to test it
[19:09] <_Groo_> what do you want me to check?
[19:11] <yofel> create a small project, build something, check if that hex editor called okteta works
[19:12] <yofel> I'm not much of a kdevelop user either, but I don't want to release the packages with the number of testers <<2
[19:18] <_Groo_> yofel: k ill will run it in a hour or so.... need to go to a meeting soon...
[19:18] <bambee> when is the next meeting ? my brother got a baby (I've a nephew !) and I am busy for the week end 
[19:19] <yofel> ScottK: members need to be approved by the council right? so that would probably mean you need to schedule another meeting
[19:19] <yofel> bambee: ^
[19:20] <yofel> or try to see if the countil members and you have time once we know when the dev meeting is
[19:21] <_Groo_> meetings are usually every full moon or when the planet aligns
[19:21] <bambee> I am here sunday in the evening
[19:21] <bambee> s/I am here/ I back/
[19:21] <kubotu> bambee meant: " I back sunday in the evening"
[19:22] <yofel> bambee: friday?
[19:24] <bambee> friday in the morning it's okay, in the afternoon we go to my brother's home
[19:24] <yofel> would be afternoon - so bad
[19:24] <yofel> which reminds me
[19:24] <bambee> arrf
[19:24] <bambee> :(
[19:24] <yofel> JontheEchidna: set your time please ;) http://www.doodle.com/8qqp944fzt3vfy9a
[19:25] <bambee> ohh wait, in fact I back sunday in the afternoon
[19:25] <yofel> bambee: monday in the evening would be an idea from the poll - but then I'll have to simmer for the whole weekend ^^
[19:27] <yofel> alternatively schedule another meeting. _After_ DS 
[19:30] <bambee> yofel: monday it's okay for me
[19:30] <yofel> you'll need the other KC members too, so I'm not sure if we can do this at the same time
[19:31] <bambee> yofel: but when you will be kubuntu dev!! you will like it even more!! mostly because you will have to simmer for the whole weekend :D
[19:31] <yofel> LOL
[19:33] <bambee> yofel: KC members?
[19:33] <yofel> Kubuntu Council
[19:33] <bambee> what the hell is that?
[19:33] <bambee> ah
[19:33] <bambee> :D
[19:33] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: synaptiks crapping out for you too?
[19:34] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: dont know didnt update yet
[19:34] <_Groo_> waiting for the builds to be complete
[19:34] <_Groo_> then ill do a proper testing
[19:38] <ScottK> yofel: Yes.
[19:38] <yofel> k
[19:39] <bambee> yofel: in the worst case, as you said, I can schedule another meeting for my membership application
[19:47]  * yofel needs to write a blog post to congratulate kde for it's release
[19:47] <yofel> too much todo -.-
[20:02] <highvoltage> hi! have any of you run kde on ltsp before?
[20:02] <highvoltage> (or specifically, have run kwin as a local app?)
[21:08]  * ScottK looks at libkexiv2
[21:12] <ScottK> libkexiv2 uploaded.
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> yofel: done :)
[21:17] <yofel> :)
[21:18] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Can you upload some 4.7.0 stuff?
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> jup
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> debfx: btw, with this mod I've been able to get 30 frames/second at "Short" render distance: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/249637-173-optifog-and-optimine-hd-b-fps-boost/
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Am I to assume that anything not marked as "uploaded" here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging needs to be uploaded?
[21:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Most anything in Ninjas for Oneiric is fair game.
[21:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I haven't actually been bothering with the wiki, just deleting from ninjas when I was done.
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> ok
[21:21] <ScottK> I've also been mentioning here what I was looking at.
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> I won't be able to do the bigger ones, but I should definitely be able to upload a good number of them
[21:22] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If you could look at pim/pim-runtime then if they hit New, I can process them.
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> ok
[21:23] <debfx> please don't upload kde-wallpapers, we still need to split it so we can ship the default wallpaper
[21:24] <ScottK> OK.
[21:24] <ScottK> Looking at libksane
[21:25] <yofel> ScottK: do we want PIM in the archive? apachelogger was against it IIRC
[21:25] <apachelogger> dude
[21:25] <apachelogger> like
[21:25] <ScottK> I don't think we have much of a choice.
[21:25] <apachelogger> get testing
[21:25] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^
[21:26] <yofel> we can wait a week or two, and I can do a call for testing at the announcement and a blog post
[21:27] <debfx> JontheEchidna: which one of those?
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> I'm using 1.7.3_HD_E_MT since I have dual-core
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> It is a bit confusing, with all the download options :s
[21:29] <yofel> apachelogger: I never managed a testing call though, so improvements on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KdePIM4.7Feedback ?
[21:29] <ScottK> libksane uploaded
[21:29] <yofel> ok, I spent like 5 mins on that page so far
[21:34] <yofel> k, natty pretty much finished
[21:34]  * yofel goes trying out optifog
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> svgpart up
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> (working my way from the bottom of the list, up)
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> hmm, it
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> it'd make sense for me to upload the stuff I packaged as well
[21:40] <bambee> did someone plan to package kde-l10n ? I will package it tomorrow
[21:40]  * bambee updates the wiki
[21:42] <debfx> JontheEchidna: yep much better, I get around 20-30 fps
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> :D
[21:43] <bambee> for natty we've to wait that all the packages move into kubuntu-ppa, then we upload kde-l10n directly to kubuntu-ppa, but what about kde-l10n for oneiric?
[21:43] <yofel> I think I'll leave it, I get ~60FPS even without it
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[21:44] <yofel> bambee: that goes directly into the archive
[21:44] <debfx> yofel: switch to a free driver and you'll need it :P
[21:44] <bambee> ahh, so I cannot do it.
[21:44] <yofel> heh
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[21:57] <JontheEchidna> bbiab
[22:00] <ScottK> bambee: For l10n, someone with upload rights should just run the script.
[22:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^ Can you do this?
[22:00] <bambee> ScottK: ok, np
[22:01] <bambee> ScottK: I will do it for natty, I think
[22:02] <bambee> well in fact... someone can upload the same packages twice... (in kubuntu-ppa and archives) ^^
[22:03] <bambee> (since it's just translations)
[22:03]  * bambee is tired
[22:20] <debfx> hm where do we move the stuff from kde-workspace that we don't install by default?
[22:20] <debfx> kde-workspace-data-extras?
[22:24] <yofel> what would end up in there? themes?
[22:26] <debfx> yofel: kdm themes and ksplash themes
[22:26] <yofel> k, the name would be fine IMO
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[22:31] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: btw, all the smoke stuff is landing in new
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> source new, it seems
[22:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Expected.  I'll try and look at it later.
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokekde ubuntu/
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> Branched 4 revision(s).
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> then when I went to debcommit, it said it was outdated :s
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> bzr pull put it up to rev 9
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> why'd it only pull the first 4 revisions on the initial branch?
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> oh, wait
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> oops, bound it to the smokegen repo instead of smokekde. luckily the proper debian directory made it to the archive
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[22:51] <yofel> wait a bit with perlkde, that has missing dependencies it seems
[22:51] <yofel> as in runtime-deps
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> I'm going by what's been built in k-n
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> and I don't see pearlkde there yet
[22:56] <yofel> it *was* there, someone seems to have deleted it :(
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> D:
[22:58] <yofel> the natty package is there, but oneiric is gone
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> probably an accident
[22:59] <yofel> yeah
[22:59] <yofel> well, doesn't hurt right now
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> I'm skipping parley. It's on the upper limit of what I'd be able to upload
[23:01] <cpatrick008> i was wondering when 4.7 was going to be released for natty because it is released now http://kde.org/announcements/4.7/
[23:01] <yofel> SOON™
[23:02] <cpatrick008> kk thanks
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> ...but not Debian Soon™ :P
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> heh, should have added the ™ to my last blog post when I used the term
[23:02] <yofel> yeah, hopefully tomorrow, I'm just tired
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[23:04] <JontheEchidna> yofel: did mobipocket 4.7.0 not make it to kubuntu-ninjas?
[23:04] <yofel> source rename into kdegraphics mobipocket
[23:04] <yofel> I should rename it on the wiki
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> ah, kk
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> I'll delete mobipocket 4.6.90 from the ppa
[23:05] <yofel> ah right, kill it
[23:19] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/perlqt] Philip Muškovac * 6 * debian/control Add missing runtime deps for qt3support
[23:20] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/perlkde] Philip Muškovac * 4 * debian/control Use the actually necessary runtime dependencies