[00:17] wgrant: I'm reviewing a branch of allenap's. Isn't there an already defined ACTIVE_PUBLISHING_STATES that is PENDING, PUBLISHED already? [00:19] StevenK: It's active_publishing_status [00:20] hi all [00:20] can someone confirm that it's possible for ubuntu developers to rebind the lp:ubuntu/oneiric/foo alias onto a different branch? [00:20] they do that through the web ui? [00:20] wgrant: Ah! Thanks! [00:21] poolie: They can do it through the API. [00:21] ah i see [00:21] is there a tool for that? [00:21] It was restricted to ~ubuntu-branches until like a month ago [00:21] or a web page describing it? [00:21] No. [00:22] It's not a supported workflow. [00:22] The only reason it's no longer restricted to two people is to remove the celebrity. [00:22] You would need to talk to the UDD people about whether that should be supported. [00:22] i'm thinking in particular about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-July/033777.html [00:23] poolie: That's a debian-only branch. [00:23] Last I heard the policy was that official package branches must be complete. [00:24] Regardless, this is not a Launchpad issue. [00:24] This is UDD policy. [00:24] :/ [00:25] so the reason for completeness is reproducability [00:25] debian only branches are entirely lacking there [00:25] i don't think "not a launchpad issue" is a very productive attitude [00:25] Hm? [00:25] How not? [00:25] This is a policy that was set by james_w and co. [00:25] if people are having trouble manipulating ubuntu source, it at least touches on lp [00:25] Launchpad doesn't set UDD policy... [00:26] it may not be something that ends up being changed in lp [00:26] Also, everybody that went near UDD has since left Launchpad. [00:26] bzr or whoever replaced james_w is probably better. [00:26] anyhow, i will talk about it with luke [00:27] i'm not saying "~launchpad must solve this" [00:27] only that i think it's reasonable to ask about it here [00:28] We can answer technical questions about our dodgy implementation of package branches. [00:28] But most of this stuff is UDD policy. [00:28] Which has never had much to do with the LP team. [00:28] So we are not exactly well-placed to answer questions. [00:29] so, as far as the narrow question [00:29] it is theoretically possible to rebind ubuntu branch aliases, but this should never be done? [00:29] (i realize this won't be actually useful in this case) [00:29] It is possible (the importer does it). [00:30] it should be done if the official branch is being entirely replaced [00:30] but it would be extremely unusual and need notificatoin of some sort to anyone with pending merges, checkouts,e tc [00:31] The relevant API call is source_package.setBranch. [00:31] uhm, thats too strong [00:31] Anybody with upload privileges should be able to do it. [00:31] But, as lifeless says. [00:31] its expected that when someone starts working with UDD, that the package they are workig on may involve their higher-fidelity branch replacing the importers branch. [00:32] right [00:32] but all the branches need to be the same as what the importer creates, or it will stomp over them [00:32] e.g. full rather than debian only [00:32] though, probably they could just push overwrite the importer's branch, rather than changing the name [00:32] maybe not [00:32] right [00:32] a reason to rebind is to get to a branch in the ubuntu namespace [00:33] rather than in /~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu-branches/... or whatever the workaround before distro namespaces existed was [00:36] Huh. [00:36] PackageBugSupervisor [00:37] * wgrant demolishes. [00:42] wgrant: There is a table too [00:42] Yes. [00:43] I fear I may need to drop the foreign key in an initial branch, drop the code in a second, and move the table away in a third. [00:43] So this can wait until we have the process sorted out :/ [00:43] vat is dis ? [00:45] Table that has been obsolete since like 2007. [00:45] It's empty. [00:45] oo [00:45] clean out da cwap [00:46] I think I need to drop the foreign key before I can delete the code :( [00:46] Because of person merges. [00:46] yes [00:46] Tests will blow up if they don't handle all foreign keys. [00:46] thats right [00:46] Which means DB, code, DB branches. [00:46] yes [00:46] Hopefully next week we will have fastdowntime :) [00:46] or [00:46] feature flag [00:47] but that won't help if you're dropping a column in a used table [00:47] if there are no columns in used tables [00:47] you should be able to FF it, and add the flag value in the DB patch [00:48] giving you the less disruptive [00:48] code DB code [00:48] sequence [00:48] That's not a terrible idea. But it's more complicated and involves new code, when DB changes should be cheap soon. [00:50] its one less downtime window [00:50] which is not to be sneezed at [00:52] Project db-devel build #756: FAILURE in 5 hr 31 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/756/ [01:43] huwshimi: have a look at bug 816757? [01:43] <_mup_> Bug #816757: people didn't find the "download diff" link

< https://launchpad.net/bugs/816757 > [01:44] poolie: Interesting. [01:44] i'm interested in the particular case but also about how to deal with "Foo is confusing" bugs generally [01:45] i think this particular one is fairly close to being a hard-edged testable bug [01:47] wgrant: anyhow, please consider it - making db changes cheaper still doesn't make them free (until we're < small num (e.g. 200ms) on all web requests an can just slide them in without disruption) [01:58] wgrant: 3 / 0 Bug:EntryResource:newMessage [01:59] poolie: This is interesting in that it seems like the download diff link is in a fairly good place (it's in the first place I thought to look when I went to an mp after reading the bug report - I don't think I've ever tried to download a diff before). [02:00] poolie: There could be a number of reasons why people don't notice the feature. It could be as simple as people want to download the diff once they've read it, so the download diff link has scrolled off the page, or I could take a guess at other places that would be more obvious. [02:00] poolie: However, that is a not a good approach. The only really good way to figure it out would be with data (otherwise how can I test the change I'm making has actually resulted in people using the link more). What I would like to do is to a/b test it. That way I can quantitatively determine which position/style/wording results in the most use. [02:00] i would have guessed ctrl-f 'download' [02:00] i agree about a test [02:00] i would be thrilled to see someone get data out of logs [02:01] poolie: Often people don't think to look for something. Often people only use feature's if they're obvious. [02:01] ah, i also think perhaps having more of a system of what goes where might help [02:02] poolie: That's why I think the current location is good. It has a number of controls to do with the current block of content in a header (in this case the content is a diff, we do a similar thing with comments). [02:03] for instance this is a bit like other "downloadable attachments" which in some cases are in portlets [02:03] often those things on the shaded background are fairly uninteresting controls, though [02:03] but, this is just random speculation [02:25] Project devel build #921: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 40 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/921/ [02:33] BugTask conjoinment ararrrrrrrgh [02:36] Perhaps it was all a cruel joke. [02:44] wgrant: Still? [03:37] lifeless: Should bug #809719 be closed now we've upgraded/ [03:37] <_mup_> Bug #809719: current lazr.batchnavigator version requires high OFFSET queries < https://launchpad.net/bugs/809719 > [03:39] yes [03:39] Thanks. [03:40] wgrant, r=me [03:41] sinzui: Thanks! [04:08] Hmmmm. I think the lazr.restfulclient is going to force a new release of launchpadlib too [04:37] No one's updating https://dev.launchpad.net/Contributions ? [04:37] every now and then [04:38] I wonder if I can drop a cron on my box. [04:38] Bah, bzr grep doesn't support -A [04:38] I should land my patches and run it on devpad. [04:39] Bah, now it crashes with a Unicode error. [04:39] * wgrant blames rvba. [04:42] nigelb: Updated. [04:42] Ah, it was lool, not rvba. [04:43] How dare people have non-ASCII names. [04:43] wgrant: ah, thanks. [04:44] * StevenK renames wgrant to Ŵíllíám Ġŕáńť [04:44] beat me to it ;) [04:48] wgrant: impressive that poolie is at both #6 and #12 of the second list. [04:48] Yeah. [04:48] I'm trying to fix that up. [04:48] I keep forgetting poolie isn't Launchpad per se. [04:48] The last update should have. [04:48] But the missing trailing > seems to be breaking something. [04:49] poolie has like 5 identities, some of them with typos :) [04:49] lol [04:50] i prodded ohloh a while ago to help get their bzr-format scans going [04:50] i wonder if they work yet [04:50] It's failed probably 10 times now :/ [04:53] poolie is now promoted from 6 + 12 to 3. [04:54] hooray [04:54] i wonder if i ever set my identity wrongly in bzr, or if it got mangled somewhere in lp? [04:54] istr seeing other duplicates on that list [04:54] It turns out the typo was actually in my mapping. [04:55] There is the full 'Martin Pool ', 'mpb@c.c', and 'mpb@sf.n' [04:55] The 'Martin Pool heh, I wondered why 6 + 12 = 3 ;) [04:55] wgrant: Now it's james_w that's being robbed :P [04:55] hmm, need to get 6 more landings to be in top-5 [04:55] wgrant: sadly you'll need to evict yourself from that list [04:56] or is it time limited? [04:56] poolie: but those are pre-canocical days right? [04:56] spiv: For exactly the same reason. I must have copied it :( [04:56] ah, apparently it is [04:56] I see only 2010 [04:56] poolie: That's only my pre-Canonical commits. [04:57] Everything after I joined is with my canonical.com address, which magically gets excluded. [04:57] But maybe I should remove myself entirely. [04:57] nah [04:57] its nice to see what you did *before* joining [04:57] Gives you something to aspire to :P [04:57] Yes, that too. [04:57] yes exactly [04:57] wgrant: I suggest grepping for <[^>]*$ :P [04:57] 128 to go to beat wgrant :P [04:57] i kind of want to see the scoreboard for ~canonical-launchpad too though [04:58] wgrant: I see at least one other unmatched <> pair in those lists. [04:58] and whether non-canonical wgrant beats them [04:58] poolie: bzr stats [04:58] Actually, I guess that doesn't quite do it. [04:58] Since that's number of commits, not number of merges. [04:58] poolie: I may do that tonight and see what happens. [04:58] poolie: heh, that should be interesting [04:59] I'd like to see if the pre-Canonical wgrant beats the Canonical wgrant. [04:59] spiv: Luke? [04:59] Yeah. [04:59] That's a real bzr whoami typo. [04:59] Maybe I will map it. [04:59] Ah, heh. [05:01] btw, bugzilla will probably soonish have a generic Android app. For triaging bugs. [05:01] (Full disclosure: I'm writing it) [05:01] nice [05:01] Hm. [05:01] heh [05:02] james_w didn't get any extra merges. [05:02] I guess all the linaro address commits were in branches with canonical commits too. [05:02] spiv: Any more issues? [05:03] nigelb: for any site in particular? [05:03] or, user [05:03] poolie: bugzilla.mozilla.org in particular. [05:03] ok [05:03] this is so people can triage on the train or something? [05:03] exactly :) [05:03] there are a few people triaging on commute [05:04] or having to do something quick on commute [05:04] wgrant: hmm, I guess I have some commits that ought to be eligible, but I'm still a member of various launchpad-related teams so it's probably not a surprise that the script excludes me. [05:05] spiv: er, you aren't Launchpad team now? [05:05] nigelb: bzr [05:05] spiv: Indeed. [05:05] spiv: There's no date-based restrictions. [05:05] Ah [05:05] spiv: I suspect you are on the Launchpad list because you were Launchpad years ago. [05:05] Many years ago. [05:06] wgrant: …and still heckling! [05:07] For now :) [05:08] heh. [05:21] How do I make a launchpadlib release? [05:21] There's not a document in the branch? [05:21] https://dev.launchpad.net/HackingLazrLibraries#Releases [05:21] https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-dev/msg02076.html [05:25] Bleh. 1.9.8 is the latest, but we're still using 1.9.3 [05:26] also [05:26] dev.launchpad.net/ReleaseChecklist [05:30] * StevenK confused [05:35] release series? [05:37] StevenK: Presumably the Launchpad series name. [05:37] You could check the code. [05:37] Which seems to be trunk [05:37] lifeless: Can you upload launchpadlib 1.9.9 to PyPi? [05:37] whats your pypi account / [05:37] I don't have one [05:38] It does OpenID, so you can fix that quickly. [05:39] lifeless: The usual suspect. IE, 'stevenk' [05:40] ok, you can now. [05:41] Hm [05:41] Server response (401): basic auth failed [05:41] :-( [05:46] StevenK: you may need a regular account [05:46] https://dev.launchpad.net/Downtime - updated for new world order, could use a set of eyeballs [05:47] lifeless: Sorted out anyway === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [05:47] what was t ? [05:47] I used the web interface to do it [06:07] poolie: gentle reminder - please triage bugs you file on LP; no need for another teammember to do it (unless you're genuinely unsure that it is a bug or how it fits in current work plans) [06:07] yeah [06:08] in this specific case i was talking to people about what to do with it [06:08] didn't finish the transaction [06:08] The janitor took it half-way... [06:08] someone me too'd it [06:09] Yeah. [06:10] done === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [06:21] How the heck do I express 100 AS rank in Storm? [06:25] Try SQL('100 AS rank') [06:26] Project db-devel build #757: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 34 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/757/ [06:26] But Storm has Alias which does AS? [06:27] I'm not sure if that works for non-classes. [06:27] Neither === jtv-afk is now known as jtv [06:29] StevenK: that may be the best code review I've ever had. [06:31] Haha [06:31] Was it as good for you as it was for me? :-) [06:31] Emphatic condonement of the removal of commercial-compat, or have you been secretly working on something similarly glorious? [06:32] wgrant: The former. [06:34] jtv: Given that you have both dogfood access and Translations expertise, could you perhaps be convinced to QA bug #788685? [06:34] <_mup_> Bug #788685: Enable translating selected Ubuntu universe packages in Launchpad

< https://launchpad.net/bugs/788685 > [06:35] I can try. First I'll have to take some time to figure out just what's changed. [06:35] StevenK, wgrant: by the way, mind if I update dogfood at this point? [06:35] jtv: Not at all. [06:36] The change is fairly simple, if slightly nauseating. [07:53] good morning [07:59] hi adeuring [07:59] hi jtv! [08:04] Hello [08:08] Project devel build #922: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 43 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/922/ === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [08:13] StevenK: Thanks for the review :) [08:18] allenap: No fair not looking for active_publishing_status :-P [08:20] StevenK: I knew I could rely on splendid chaps such as your good self :) === henninge-afk is now known as henninge [09:43] StevenK: Are you still around and on-call? === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away === StevenK changed the topic of #launchpad-dev to: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | On call reviewer: - | Critical bugs: 240 - 0:[#######=]:256 [09:44] danilos: hey, are you around? [09:44] henninge: gl [09:45] gl? === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [09:45] henninge: good luck [09:45] ah! ;-) [09:46] lifeless: have you been trying to talk to him about QA for bug 788685? [09:46] <_mup_> Bug #788685: Enable translating selected Ubuntu universe packages in Launchpad

< https://launchpad.net/bugs/788685 > [09:46] henninge: no; I was referring to your bombshell from last night :) [09:46] lifeless: oh! ;-) [09:46] lifeless: thank you ;) [09:50] rvba: Hi! [09:50] henninge: Hi! [09:51] rvba: Could you please do QA for bug 815751? [09:51] <_mup_> Bug #815751: In initialize_series, the package copier copy method should be called with all the packages from pockets RELEASED, UPDATES, SECURITY.

< https://launchpad.net/bugs/815751 > [09:51] henninge: sure, I'll do that. [09:52] rvba: I am trying to get a deployment together. Thanks. ;-) [09:52] henninge: Thanks! [09:52] wgrant: can I have your opinion on bug 788685 [09:52] <_mup_> Bug #788685: Enable translating selected Ubuntu universe packages in Launchpad

< https://launchpad.net/bugs/788685 > [09:52] ? [09:52] StevenK: Point taken :) [09:53] gmb: :-) [09:53] wgrant: QAing it involves dogfood and such and I know bac was working on figuring that out yesterday. [09:54] For this sort of thing I think a QA strategy should be devised before landing. [09:54] yes [09:54] There is not one? [09:55] bac asked me about it yesterday but I could not help him since it was mainly about uploading a source package. [09:55] I havn't done that either. [09:55] So I guess there is none. [09:55] bigjools was helping him, maybe he knows more? [09:55] * bigjools otp, yes I know about it [09:56] still otp? that's what bac told me yesterday, too .... ;-) [09:57] wgrant: I'll sort it out with bigjools when he gets otp (the other otp) [09:57] Thanks. [09:57] I'll probably still be pingable if you need me. [09:57] henninge, yeah [09:58] henninge, I know bac was talking to bigjools yesterday-ish [09:58] (and only know I realize after reading the full backlog that you've already come to the same point :) [09:59] henninge, I've also got an email from bac [10:00] henninge, he was stuck looking for a package with translations, and I know of one (epiphany-browser) [10:06] danilos: can you take care of the qa, or is that too much to ask? [10:07] henninge, danilos: hello [10:07] so, we need a package in universe [10:08] and you need to add a special header to debian/control [10:08] bac tried it with one package but it FTBFS [10:08] so a simple package would be good [10:09] henninge, sure, I'll take it on [10:13] danilos: thanks [10:24] * henninge reboots computer === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [11:04] bigjools, I've uploaded epiphany-browser package to dogfood, can you remind me what the next step is? will it get rejected because I am not the ubuntu guy? [11:05] danilos: yeah, I'll add you to core-dev [11:05] bigjools, thanks [11:11] danilos: grar, there's a million danilos! [11:11] bigjools, I am only "danilo" on LP, and you can always look for "Данило" :) [11:11] No items matched "Данило". [11:11] :) [11:12] bad, bad search [11:12] I can't even do ~danilo [11:12] bigjools: You can also search for 'danilos' and it will always return a username match as the first result. [11:12] 17 pages of results [11:12] aha fluked it [11:13] Er, 'danilo' is the username, but 'danilos' should still get OK IRC nick results. [11:13] I am in, thanks bigjools :) [11:14] danilos: just processing the upload [11:14] bigjools: 'danilo' returns danilos as the first result... did it not for you? [11:14] nope [11:14] danilos returns him as the third result. [11:14] yep [11:15] danilos: 2011-07-27 11:14:48 INFO Upload was rejected: [11:15] 2011-07-27 11:14:48 INFO Unable to find epiphany-browser_3.0.4.orig.tar.bz2 in upload or distribution. [11:15] bigjools, what's the dput option to force the orig.tar.gz to be included as well? [11:15] or was that a debuild option? [11:16] debuild -S -sa [11:16] bigjools, I should up the version number again? [11:16] no [11:16] ok [11:16] dput -f though [11:17] bigjools, yep, using that already, all set now, please try the upload processor again [11:18] accepted [11:19] does "Related bugs" also show bugs that affect me? [11:20] jml i believe it does [11:20] bigjools, I should have probably used the latest oneiric epiphany package from dogfood and not from production, this might fail to build as well [11:20] poolie: thanks. [11:20] i think it is "related in any way" [11:20] imbw [11:20] danilos: we'll see! [11:20] jml: I don't believe it does. [11:20] since I'm working across quite a few projects now, really feeling the need for some more aggregate views. [11:20] jml: I don't know of any way to find bugs that affect you. [11:20] oh no [11:20] a conflict of beliefs. [11:21] crap. I'm going to have to either try science or consult an authority. [11:21] It's just an aggregation of the other 4 or 5 views. [11:21] commented/reported/assigned/whatever [11:21] There is a simple path of deduction which allows you to work this out :) [11:21] bigjools, yeah :) I'll also prepare a natty package to confirm that one doesn't get translations extracted and uploaded [11:22] wgrant: need observations to make deductions. [11:23] jml: Well, there are some generally applicable observations, I suppose. [11:23] But anyway, code. [11:24] he's right, i'm wrong [11:24] i think i'm right that related means 'any relation' but lp won't tell you about affecting bugs [11:25] It's just the union of the other categories in that menu. [11:25] that's unfortunate [11:25] right [11:25] there's a bug for it [11:25] I've marked bugs as affecting me in the hope that I'd be able to recover that information later [11:25] Many things are unfortunate, but it seems that people only work this out once they leave Launchpad management :) [11:26] wgrant: don't be a dick. [11:26] It's *possible* there's an API call. [11:26]