[00:13] <TheBuntu> is there a livecd 11:10 alpha or netinstall
[00:14] <BUGabundo> yep
[00:14] <BUGabundo> !mirrors
[00:14] <BUGabundo> humm not that
[00:15] <BUGabundo> !daily
[00:21] <BUGabundo> nite folks
[03:55] <hifi> 3.0.0-7 was the first 3.0 series that booted for me
[03:56] <hifi> first 4 didn't do anything, just hung after grub, 5 and 6 paniced without root fs
[06:10] <PythonPup> Howdy, Are there any downsides to removing these packages? (firefox-globalmenu, appmenu-gtk3, appmenu-gtk, indicator-appmenu)
[06:14] <PythonPup> I ask because I am creating a list of ways to make Oneiric more friendly.  I expect to recommend removing these packages, but I would note any downsides, if there were any.
[06:22] <head_victim> PythonPup: define downsides. They all look like firefox integration packages.
[06:23] <head_victim> And depends on what you mean by "friendly" when you suggest removing them.
[06:23] <rww> three of those aren't Firefox-related packages :\
[06:25] <PythonPup> Removing those packages seems to make program menus work again.  I am not specific on downsides, because I want to know about anything negative that would happen if there are removed..  In the article, I will go into more detail, but I did not want to bother anyone here with that.
[06:26] <rww> anyways, I haven't heard of there being downsides, but I don't use GTK, so...
[06:28] <PythonPup> OK, thank you.
[06:33] <PythonPup> I wanted to help by running some qa tests.  I looked at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntu/all  and I don't see any tests for Oneiric.  Has the testing procedure changed?  I submitted several tests in the last 2 cycles.
[06:36] <rww> PythonPup: QA testing happens when milestone ISOs are about to be released. The next Oneiric one isn't for a bit. The most recent milestone release was 10.04.3.
[06:37] <rww> hence the contents of that page.
[06:38] <PythonPup> OK.  They were available all through the Natty cycle, but I guess that was because the Natty cycle needed more testing(The alternate CD did not work until late in the cycle).
[06:40] <PythonPup> I have found 2 easy ways to make the alpha 2 disk die during installation(not doing anything unusual).  Should I still submit bugs, or should I be testing with a daily build or just waiting for the next milestone?
[06:44] <PythonPup> Daily builds are out.  There are no alternate installers.  One of the ways to make it die needs that, so I can use better filesystems than ext4.
[06:44] <rww> there are no better filesystems than ext4 :P
[06:45] <PythonPup> Funny.  I see that I should be looking in the daily directory, not daily-live.
[07:10] <diverse_izzue> Morning folks, my oneiric is not booting anymore. Last message I see on screen is that Cups is being started, blinking cursor, no progress. doesn't seem to hang hard, as crtl/alt/delete immediately leads to a restart. ideas?
[07:13] <nit-wit> diverse_izzue, have you tried the previous kernel?
[07:13] <diverse_izzue> nit-wil, yes i have, no luck
[07:14] <nit-wit> diverse_izzue, that is about my best idea, I image the OS just for these occasions.
[07:16] <nit-wit> diverse_izzue, I have seen a few others post a similar scenario, today though hard to say, for me at least.
[07:16] <diverse_izzue> nit-wit, maybe i should start doing that, too... if i boot in recovery mode and then start gdm, then i get a semi-working system (no 3d)
[07:17] <nit-wit> diverse_izzue, I removed mine a couple of days ago so I don't know the latest updates, hopefully somebody else will have some information. ;)
[07:18] <diverse_izzue> hmmm, hope so. this channel is awfully quiet!
[07:18] <nit-wit> diverse_izzue, seems to get quiet at night US time.
[07:19] <diverse_izzue> morning here in europe, maybe some canonical folks will start showing up soonish
[07:40] <PythonPup> diverse_izzue, I did a fresh install of alpha 2 tonight.  It booted up fine, so I applied all updates, rebooted and it no longer starts.  I think I have the same problem you do.  I tried the fixes suggest in the known bug mentioned in the topic of this channel, to no avail.
[07:41] <diverse_izzue> PythonPup, can you describe your symptoms? you think it's the same issue?
[07:42] <PythonPup> It does not finish booting up.  I can switch to a different VT and login, but X does not start.
[07:42] <diverse_izzue> Same here, what's the last thing you see on screen?
[07:43] <PythonPup> Checking battery state...       [OK]
[07:43] <diverse_izzue> PythonPup, similar here, I think I get one more message
[07:43] <PythonPup> dmesg shows the last thing to be the eth0 port coming up.
[07:44] <diverse_izzue> I guess we'll have to wait until some Canonical folks start popping up
[07:44] <diverse_izzue> I think the bug in the topic has nothing to do with our problem
[07:44] <PythonPup> It seems similar, but the fixes for that bug don't help, so you may be right.
[07:46] <diverse_izzue> PythonPup, I think in that bug, LightDM actually appears, I never get that far
[07:56] <PythonPup> What graphics chipset do you have, diverse_izzue?  I have an Intel 945.
[07:56] <diverse_izzue> Intel as well here
[07:56] <diverse_izzue> let me figure out which kind
[07:57] <PythonPup> lspci | grep VGA
[07:57] <diverse_izzue> Mobile 4 Series
[08:00] <PythonPup> You did not see anything more specific?
[08:01] <diverse_izzue> nope, that's what it says in lspci
[08:01] <diverse_izzue> le me check xorg log
[08:01] <PythonPup> lspci | grep Display
[08:02] <diverse_izzue> Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[08:05] <diverse_izzue> thinkwiki says i have an Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD
[08:08] <diverse_izzue> what makes you think it's related to graphics?
[08:08] <PythonPup> I think we both use the 915 driver from Intel.  A common factor like that is suspicious to me.
[08:09] <diverse_izzue> but there's 200 other components we both use...
[08:09] <diverse_izzue> seems you need a bit more than that for a suspicion
[08:11] <PythonPup> The 915 driver may be pertinent, because X is not starting for either of us.  Which of the 200 components is likely to affect the same piece that won't start?
[08:32] <yofel> there was a bug yesterday were the recent lightdm upgrade would leave you without a working greeter, it's fixed though since a few hours ago.
[08:33] <PythonPup> I have applied all updates, and I never get to a greeter.  The las thing I see is checking battery(This machine is a desktop and has no battery)
[08:33] <yofel> PythonPup: as for the packages you wanted to remove, those are all about the application menu in the panel, should be fine to remove them
[08:33]  * yofel looks at log
[08:33] <PythonPup> Great, thanks yofel.  I was hoping so.
[08:34] <yofel> do you have lightdm-gtk-greeter installed?
[08:34] <PythonPup> I'll boot it backup and check.  I have not added or removed any packages after a fresh install.  I just applied updates.
[08:37] <yofel> need to go, bbl
[08:40] <PythonPup> No, I don't have that package installed, yofel
[08:45] <PythonPup> I installed lightdm-gtk-greeter, rebooted and it comes up fine now.  diverse_izzue , I suggest you try that.
[08:46] <airon90> Hi folks
[08:46] <diverse_izzue> PythonPup, will do, thanks!
[08:47] <airon90> Is it normal that new version of Lightdm (0.9.2-0ubuntu3) wants to delete other Lightdm package?
[08:48] <airon90> And do someone updated unity-2d? Do you launcher bar and dash work?
[08:49] <diverse_izzue> PythonPup, sweet, it booted! Thanks!
[08:50] <PythonPup> Thank yofel when he comes back.
[09:17] <dsathe> hello
[09:18] <dsathe> after an update today seems my lightdm is broken
[09:18] <PythonPup> You are not the first, dsathe
[09:18] <dsathe> even gnome refused to start till i did a dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-current and rebuilt the modules
[09:18] <dsathe> any solution ?
[09:18] <dsathe> PythonPup: ?
[09:19] <PythonPup> Install lightdm-gtk-greeter, reboot and it comes up fine.
[09:19] <dsathe> grr damn i installed the qt one ;D
[09:20] <dsathe> thnx
[09:20] <PythonPup> Well, this worked for one other person and I.  There is probably a config file you can adjust for the qt greeter.
[09:21] <dsathe> also why is the top bar all orange if i change to any other theme ?
[09:21] <dsathe> any solution to that ?
[09:21] <dsathe> messing wit the theming
[09:22] <PythonPup> I just started with Oneiric yesterday.  I have not done anything with themes, or seen a comment on that.  Sorry.
[09:36] <dsathe> PythonPup: try changing to something other than the light themes (ambiance and radiance)
[09:37] <dsathe> ull see it
[09:38] <PythonPup> dsathe, I'm game.  This is a test machine anyway.  What program do you use to change the theme.  They did not pick a name that is obvious to me.
[09:39] <dsathe> aaah oh yeah gnome 3
[09:39] <dsathe> so either use dconf-editor
[09:39] <dsathe> or easier use
[09:39] <dsathe> Gnome-tweak-tool
[09:39] <dsathe> :)
[09:39] <PythonPup> Are you usine a gnome3 shell as desktop?
[09:39] <dsathe> no i keep switching
[09:40] <dsathe> tho oneric uses gnome 3 backend
[09:40] <dsathe> gtk3 to be more specific
[09:40] <dsathe> so yeah the good old themes wont work
[09:40] <dsathe> try getting hold fo atolm or zuwitko
[09:40] <dsathe> damn messed up spelling
[09:41] <dsathe> search deviant art for gtk33 ull find them
[09:41] <dsathe> gtk3*
[09:41] <PythonPup> I am no deviant
[09:42] <PythonPup> I know of the site, though.  I think it is a bad name.
[09:45] <dsathe> Zukitwo
[09:45] <dsathe> that is the name
[09:45] <dsathe> and Atolm
[09:50] <PythonPup> I found zukitwo, but I don't see where to download it.  Can you give me a hint, dsathe?
[09:51] <dsathe> right side
[09:51] <dsathe> bar in deviant art
[09:51] <dsathe> thats where the dl links are
[09:51] <dsathe> tip next time Ctrl+F look for download
[09:51] <dsathe> ;)
[09:52] <dsathe> find it damn usefull whenn looking for those hard to find links :D
[09:52] <PythonPup> I had to make the browser wider to see it.
[09:52] <dsathe> hahaha kk
[09:54] <SSeTuu> hi i need help
[09:55] <sagaci> SSeTuu: with
[09:55] <PythonPup> OK, how do you apply the theme?  Do I need to put it in some special directory?
[09:56] <SSeTuu> sagaci: I have a question.
[09:56] <sagaci> SSeTuu: ok, what is it
[09:56] <SSeTuu> ok it is about unity AND ubuntu 11.10
[09:56] <SSeTuu> my first question is
[09:57] <SSeTuu> is ubuntu 11.10 usuable for daily use already ?? i know, it is not stable by now, but is it usuable or is it bad ?
[09:57] <dr_willis> i use it.. ;)
[09:57] <sagaci> i wouldn't recommend it for daily use
[09:57] <sagaci> especially if it's your main machine
[09:57] <dr_willis> it ca break at any time/update
[09:59] <PythonPup> It is working pretty well for me, but I would not vaguely consider using it on a machine that had to stay up.  There was a problem this morning that kept it offlie for several hours.
[09:59] <PythonPup> offlie -> offline
[10:03] <PythonPup> dsathe, I see a way to change to a built in theme, but no way to use one I downloaded.  If you want me to try it, I need another hint.
[10:03] <dsathe> ahh put it in .themes
[10:03] <dsathe> in your home dir
[10:03] <PythonPup> the zip file, or the unzipped directory?
[10:03] <dsathe> or yiu could put it in /usr/share/themes
[10:04] <dsathe> .themes is easy but local
[10:04] <dsathe> the other needs root privileges and is system wide
[10:04] <SSeTuu> and i have a problem
[10:04] <SSeTuu> with unity
[10:12] <PythonPup> dsathe, I applied the Zukitwo theme as GTK+ theme and under Windows.  I rebooted and I get no orange bar at the top.
[10:13] <dsathe> try atolm
[10:13] <dsathe> i think oneric is missing some theme engines
[10:13] <dsathe> PS . You dont need to reboot
[10:14] <dsathe> ever unless u modify something to do with a kernel
[10:14] <dsathe> use upsatrt
[10:14] <dsathe> upstart
[10:15] <PythonPup> When I changed the GTK+ theme under Interface, I saw an immediate effect.  When I did current theme under Windows, I saw no effect.  That was why I rebooted.
[10:22] <PythonPup> dsathe, I applied the Atolm-gtk3 theme.  I still have no orange bar.  It looks like it applied just fine.
[10:22] <dsathe> hmm funny
[10:22] <dsathe> as in the title bar of any window
[10:23] <PythonPup> Is that good funny, or you don't know why yours is different funny?
[10:23] <dsathe> the place where says title of the program
[10:23] <dsathe> what color is tht
[10:23] <PythonPup> The windows title bars are dark brown now.
[10:23] <dsathe> also can u have a look at the atolm screenshot
[10:24] <dsathe> is it like the one in that or
[10:24] <PythonPup> It does not look much like my windows.
[10:24] <dsathe> is it the big bad ambiance one
[10:24] <dsathe> ?
[10:24] <dsathe> aah there u go
[10:26] <PythonPup> I am looking at the main page for the Atolm-gtk3 theme.  I don't know if that is what you mean by ambiance.  But apparently, many characteristics of the theme did not apply.  As you suggest, there is probably a naming problem.
[10:27] <PythonPup> I am running the regular Unity shell.  I have not tried to turn desktop effect on.  I wonder if I need to do that,.
[10:30] <PythonPup> I don't find that.  I guess that was a gnome 2 thing.  Well, I have to go home.  Have a good day.
[10:38] <Ian_Corne> for every kernel related update, I have to reinstall nvidia-current, what's up with that?
[10:40] <dsathe> yeah seems to be broken on oneric
[10:40] <dsathe> the postinst
[10:40] <dsathe> is supposed to handle dkms
[10:40] <dsathe> rebuilding
[11:48] <utusan> anyone having  problem with movie player flickers in and then crash?
[11:48] <Ian_Corne> nope
[11:49] <Ian_Corne> i've played 1080p recently, no troubles at all, nvidia
[11:49] <utusan> hmm..keeps crashing since last night
[11:50] <utusan> looks like segfaulting
[11:51] <utusan> (totem:3174): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_width_for_height: assertion `height >= 0' failed
[11:51] <Ian_Corne> I'm playing 624x352 atm, nothing like that
[11:52] <utusan> (totem:3174): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to underallocate GtkImageMenuItem's child GtkAccelLabel 0x7f6fb804e480. Allocation is 1x-3, but minimum required size is 1772223356x17.
[11:52] <dsathe> alt+F2 not working in gnome shell :(
[11:52] <dsathe> any ideas >
[11:52] <dsathe> ?
[11:54] <Ian_Corne> check the keybindings
[11:54] <utusan> this is happening in 2 boxes - nvidia and ati , so it has to be totem issues
[11:54] <Ian_Corne> what version you got utusan ?
[11:54] <Ian_Corne> I'm on 3.0.1-0ubuntu2
[11:54] <utusan> Installed: 3.0.1-0ubuntu2
[11:55] <Ian_Corne> weird that I don't have that issue
[11:55] <Ian_Corne> try creating a new account
[11:55] <utusan> how can I check key bindings?
[11:55] <Ian_Corne> run gnome-keybinding-properties
[11:55] <utusan> ty will check it out
[11:55] <Ian_Corne> utusan: keybindings was for dsathe
[11:56] <Ian_Corne> utusan: you should try making a new account and see if the problem persists
[11:56] <dsathe> Ian_Corne: where aare these defined in gnome 3
[11:56] <utusan> ok
[11:56] <dsathe> all messed up in gconf and dconf
[11:56] <Ian_Corne> dsathe: gnome-keybinding-properties
[12:05] <dsathe> Ian_Corne: ok now that alt+F2 is fixed
[12:05] <dsathe> here comes commaand not found bug
[12:05] <dsathe> :(
[12:06] <dsathe> in the aalt+f2 menu
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> maybe they removed that launcher?
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> oh like that
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> what is the command?
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> have you tried writing the full path?
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> I know/knew unity has problems with binaries in /usr/games/
[12:09] <dsathe> nope
[12:09] <dsathe> full path shud do it
[12:09] <dsathe> but kills the very purpose
[12:10] <Ian_Corne> does it do it?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[12:15] <Ian_Corne> ey BluesKaj
[12:18] <BluesKaj> hi Ian_Corne
[13:16] <tuxcrafter> hi all i am trying to use the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ live image
[13:16] <tuxcrafter> and want to use sudo
[13:16] <tuxcrafter> but i cant find the passwoord
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> tuxcrafter: yo use your own
[13:17] <tuxcrafter> ubuntu|toor|live|guest are not workign
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> tuxcrafter: there is no root password in Ubuntu
[13:17] <tuxcrafter> sudo su -
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> tuxcrafter: sudo -i     sudo -s    sudo su     willall give a root terminal
[13:17] <tuxcrafter> id shows i am some sort of guest user
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> tuxcrafter: no, you are in a group called 'admin' this gives you access to sudo and gksudo (kdesu in kde)
[13:18] <tuxcrafter> ActionParsnip: i know the sudo commands, but i cant find the password
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> tuxcrafter: this gives you access to do whatever you desire
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> tuxcrafter: it's the one you set when you installed the OS
[13:19] <tuxcrafter> i found the trick
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> tuxcrafter: the liveCD has no password set for sudo afaik
[13:19] <tuxcrafter> you have to manually say you are user ubuntu
[13:19] <tuxcrafter> then it just works
[13:19] <tuxcrafter> the ubuntu user is just not the default currenlty
[13:20] <Pici> 'manually' ?
[13:20] <tuxcrafter> Pici: you can type in ubuntu as user name in the login screen
[13:20] <tuxcrafter> then use an empty passwd
[13:20] <Pici> tuxcrafter: Ah, okay.
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> tuxcrafter: usually it just logs you in, does the CD checkout ok for defects?
[13:23] <tuxcrafter> ActionParsnip: jups
[13:24] <tuxcrafter> ActionParsnip: it goes to the login menu and the default was the guest user
[13:24] <tuxcrafter> no problem
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> tuxcrafter: glad you got the gold :)
[13:28] <tuxcrafter> lolz it crashed
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> tuxcrafter: well, it is alpha
[13:40] <dr_willis> Hmm. Noticeing an issue. in the file manager nautilus some times i get a totally white window, instead of the contents/icons or even menu items.., if i resize the window it comes back sometimes.. :)
[13:43] <dr_willis> spread to other windows now..  items are working. I can see outlines/shadows of menus if i click blindly.
[14:17] <gnomefreak> fglrx still broke?
[15:19] <jtaylor> depends what you mean with broke
[15:19] <jtaylor> it installs
[15:19] <jtaylor> but for me it does not work, for others it does
[15:20] <jtaylor> I'm hit by bug 816290
[15:31] <evo4360bhp> any good powerpoint readers out there other than openoffice/libreoffice ?
[15:36] <jbicha> evo4360bhp: you could try Google Docs, there aren't many choices for PPT support on Linux
[15:41] <coz_> mm I would think saving the power point file as pdf would also work
[15:47] <gnomefreak> jtaylor: broke as in i get nothing at all. choose kernel, couple messages like checking battery state, and it stays there.  normally when i say broke i mean it doesnt work at all
[15:47] <gnomefreak> but ill be back later i have to get to a meeting
[15:47] <jtaylor> install ligthdm-gtk-greeter
[16:56] <Daekdroom> Is Lightdm currently broken?
[16:57] <jamesbond2> Daekdroom: What is the problem?
[16:57] <yofel> Daekdroom: shooting into the blue: is ligthdm-gtk-greeter installed?
[16:57] <Daekdroom> X won't start, but I'm not sure whether it's X or lightdm
[16:57] <yofel> *lightdm-gtk-greeter
[16:57] <jamesbond2> do apt-get install ligthdm-gtk-greeter
[16:57] <Daekdroom> Yes, it wasn't.
[16:57] <Daekdroom> Why's that?
[17:00] <Daekdroom> And now it started. Thank you.
[19:01] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: 3.2 comming tomorow for your transformer :)
[19:03] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: I know
[19:03] <BUGabundo> but I returned mine :(((
[19:03] <BUGabundo> btw #asus-transformer :P
[19:05] <Ian_Corne> why?
[19:06] <diverse_izzue> Latest round of updates - evolution won't start. anyone else?
[19:16] <MrNthDegree> erm.. latest updates are threatening to wipe out a lot of stuff
[19:17] <bjsnider> just wait until all changes are uploaded
[19:17] <MrNthDegree> and seems to be going for both i386 and AMD64 repos
[19:17] <bjsnider> there are probably packages being built right now that will affect things
[19:17] <MrNthDegree> bjsnider, has some kind of multiarch been implemented
[19:17] <MrNthDegree> ?
[19:17] <bjsnider> yes it has
[19:17] <MrNthDegree> ah right
[19:19] <BUGabundo> MrNthDegree: safe-upgrade!
[19:20] <BUGabundo> never FULL-ugprade
[19:20] <BUGabundo> its fine on my side
[19:20] <BUGabundo> I just need to get read of all the lubuntu packages
[19:21] <MrNthDegree> BUGabundo, it's just Muon or w/e it's called going nuts
[19:21] <MrNthDegree> apt-get is fine XD
[19:21]  * MrNthDegree on Kubuntu and upgraded to stay on top of his goal to lock down every major desktop app using AA one by one
[19:50]  * MrNthDegree is greatful for the updates :D
[20:53] <WaltherFI> Hello, upgraded to oneiric and ran updates - after which X doesn't start. Ubuntu with gnome, running on my Samsung N510
[20:54] <WaltherFI> Tried enabling and disabling Nvidia drivers (both 173 and "current") on jockey-text, didn't help
[20:54] <WaltherFI> sudo service lightdm restart blinks the screen a couple of times, and proceeds nowhere
[20:55] <WaltherFI> Any ideas / suggestions?
[20:56] <Ian_Corne> try apt-get install nvidia-current --reinstall
[20:56] <Ian_Corne> if that fails, mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf to a backup location and see if you can get anything graphical
[20:57] <yofel> WaltherFI: is lightdm-gtk-greeter installed?
[20:59] <WaltherFI> haven't installed that on my own, should that be installed by default?
[21:02] <WaltherFI> installed it, works now
[21:02] <WaltherFI> many thanks, yofel
[21:03] <yofel_> that's today's known issue -.-
[21:09] <Ian_Corne> ah :)
[21:09] <Ian_Corne> didn't see it pass :)
[21:10] <Ian_Corne> maybe such things should be reflected in the topic?
[22:49] <WaltherFI> btw, why does nautilus crash so often?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> WaltherFI: and totem
[23:20] <BUGabundo> and gwibber
[23:20] <BUGabundo> and the entire WM
[23:39] <rww> alpha release is alpha quality :P
[23:47] <jo-erlend> is the design set? Cause those dark toolbars have some issues. In Evince, for instance, I can't read the page number and the combo that enables me to select page width.
[23:48] <jo-erlend> seems to be pretty darn fast though... And it doesn't seem necessary for me to use proprietary drivers for my radeon hd5850! The open driver is much better, but it caused some issues in Unity on 11.04 that made me switch to the proprietary one. Seems to be good now! :)
[23:49] <rww> the free software radeon driver gets better every release :D
[23:49]  * rww can't stand fglrx, and is thus happy about this
[23:49] <jo-erlend> yes, me too.
[23:50] <jo-erlend> I'll have to wait a little while before I upgrade, but I'm really looking forward now.
[23:54] <jo-erlend> lightspark exists in the software center, but not in the repos. Is that common for ubuntu at these early stages?
[23:57] <rww> Debian bug #626282
[23:57] <rww> I'm not sure why it would be in Software Center, unless you installed it at some point.
[23:57] <jo-erlend> I didn't.
[23:57] <rww> odd
[23:57] <jo-erlend> I'm running live off of todays image.
[23:58] <jo-erlend> one thing that is annoying is that Firefox isn't able to install flash from the repos. It's been like that forever. Can't be so difficult to simply switch the url from Adobes hopepage to apt://flashpluginname?
[23:59] <jo-erlend> when you click on manual install, that is.