[01:38] <philipballew> if i have sd ram in a laptop will any type of sd ram i put into that laptop work fine? or is a special type of sdram needed
[01:39] <holstein> depends... i would pop on crucial and use the tool there
[01:39] <holstein> you put in the model, and generally get to see what will work with the hardware
[01:39] <holstein> unless you have it, and its easy to just pop it in there
[01:40] <philipballew> its a old ibook
[01:42] <holstein> just under the keyboard then right?
[01:42] <holstein> not too hard
[01:42] <philipballew> yeah. ill do it now. take like 2 minutes
[01:46] <philipballew> the ram is soldered on. but i know its sd. maybe if i just try putting a chip i have in and seeing if it turns on
[01:46] <philipballew> theres an extra port
[01:49] <philipballew> maybr holstein if i search for model number on apple
[05:11] <philipballew> does anyone think open box will run on 128 mb of ram?
[05:11] <holstein> philipballew: hey...
[05:11] <holstein> only one way to find out :)
[05:12] <holstein> i think it'll
[05:12] <holstein> philipballew: about that ram, i would probably just stick it in there and see if it works
[05:13] <holstein> i remember getting lucky and adding 64mb to an old macbook once
[05:13] <philipballew> i currently have the laptop with just cli, would just aptitude install openbox work or do i need to install x first you think?
[05:13] <holstein> it'll pull in what it needs
[05:14] <philipballew> alright
[05:14] <philipballew> were gonna see what happens. if it does run great, and ill up the ram
[05:14] <holstein> how about xmonad?
[05:15] <philipballew> whats that?
[05:15] <holstein> http://xmonad.org/
[05:15] <philipballew> is that lighter then openbox though?
[05:19] <philipballew> not sure myself. i think open box might be lighter
[05:21] <philipballew> and ebay has ram for 10 bucks. it would get it up to 600 mb. not horriable for a old machine
[05:21] <holstein> i would not spend any cash on a box that old
[05:21] <holstein> xmonad is about as light as it gets
[05:22] <philipballew> probably not. so thats lighter then openbox in your opinion. ill try it then
[05:23] <holstein> i dont mind having a command line box though
[05:24] <holstein> a PPC machine to ssh into
[05:24] <holstein> hide it off somewhere in the closet :)
[05:27] <philipballew> i might keep it that way. its a laptop. need to connect it wirelessly from the cli
[05:27] <holstein> eh... id wire it up near the router... but, im sure you'll sort it out
[05:28] <philipballew> haha, i has gonna take it and play music from it away from the thing. haha. i can sort it out for sure
[07:41] <chenthu> good day everyone
[07:41] <chenthu> Holstien: you there?
[07:43] <nit-wit> chenthu, wht's uo.
[07:43] <nit-wit> *whay's up
[07:44] <nit-wit> close
[07:47] <chenthu> nit-wit : need help here
[07:48] <nit-wit> what is the problem I may be able to help.
[08:02] <chenthu> nit-wit : the problem is that i just installed the b43 driver using the command line ...now i want to activate the driver in command line
[08:03] <chenthu> nit-wit: sry was working on my problem thats why late reply
[08:03] <chenthu> brb
[08:04] <nit-wit> no prob
[08:05] <chenthu> nit-wit; so  any idea?
[08:06] <nit-wit> I'm not really familiar with this but I have a Ubuntu wiki link that may be helpful.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#Installing%20b43%20drivers
[08:07] <chenthu> ok thanks
[08:07] <chenthu> :)
[08:08] <nit-wit> no prob I have been lucky to not need drivers. ;)
[08:17] <chenthu> :)
[08:35] <ole_oz6oh> hllo all from Ole in Denmark
[10:06] <altinn> hello can anyone help me with this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11089527#post11089527
[10:06] <altinn> here is the output when I press that comand  http://pastebin.com/ys7d4fiy
[10:08] <altinn> hello ?
[10:17] <Puck`> if people are not replying, doesn't mean no one is here (:
[10:21] <altinn> I know Puck` thnx (:
[11:08] <truepurple> Does ubuntu have TRIM and other SSD friendly features?
[11:08] <tuxbaba> trim?
[11:09] <truepurple> If you don't know of TRIM, you probably can't help me
[11:10] <tuxbaba> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM
[11:11] <truepurple> Yes
[11:11] <truepurple> But if you didn't even already know of TRIM, how can you tell me if ubuntu has it or is otherwise SSD friendly...
[11:12] <tuxbaba> :-D u got me... on that ...i've not got the faintest clue about TRIM
[11:14] <truepurple> Anyone else here?
[11:17] <yofel> the kernel supports it - yes, but it's on on by default
[11:17] <yofel> *not no
[11:17] <yofel> bah
[11:17] <yofel> *not on
[11:17] <yofel> if you want to use trim with ext add the 'discard' mount option
[11:17] <yofel> truepurple: ^
[11:18] <truepurple> hi
[11:19] <truepurple> Is it able to detect that a drive is SSD?
[11:19] <ikonia> you set it with hdparm
[11:21] <ikonia> an interesting read on setting it within fstab http://sites.google.com/site/lightrush/random-1/howtoconfigureext4toenabletrimforssdsonubuntu
[11:23] <ikonia> the wiki page also has surprisingly good info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM
[11:23] <truepurple> So ikonia, is that a no, ubuntu does not detect SSD?
[11:25] <ikonia> that's not what I said
[11:25] <ikonia> SSD just shows up as a disk
[11:25] <ikonia> which is why you have to set it as trim is not enabled by default on devices
[11:26] <truepurple> Windows is able to tell that a drive is SSD, and uses TRIM on it, AFAIK, ubuntu is not able to do this, to detect that a drive is a SSD and thus needs TRIM, right?
[11:26] <ikonia> you are not using windows - so I'm not interested in what windows does/does not do
[11:26] <ikonia> I have explained to you how to enable trim if you want it, and also explained that trim is not enabled by default
[11:31] <truepurple> I am just asking, and I think I have the answer, but I want to make sure, can ubuntu ever tell a drive is SSD? Is the answer "No it can't, it must be manually enabled for X drive"?
[11:32] <ikonia> that's not true
[11:32] <ikonia> it can detect it, but trim is disabled by default
[11:32] <vlt> truepurple: There are tools like hdparm that will tell you (and Ubuntu) whether it's an SSD drive.
[11:32] <truepurple> vlt, and without this tool, ubuntu doesn't ever know, right?
[11:33] <ikonia> what are you talking about
[11:33] <ikonia> tools are used by the OS to detect hardware
[11:33] <vlt> truepurple: Does this question really make sense?
[11:33] <ikonia> same as any OS
[11:33] <ikonia> so without the detection tools.....no, no OS can detect hardware versions
[11:34] <ikonia> if you are asking will ubuntu detect an SSD drive and auto enable trim - no it will not
[11:34] <ikonia> the design currently is for trim to be disabled by default
[11:34] <ikonia> that may/may not change
[11:34] <ikonia> however can you detect an SSD drive and enable trim - sure
[11:34] <truepurple> I was also asking if ubuntu can detect whether a drive is SSD, period
[11:34] <ikonia> yes, it can
[11:35] <truepurple> Is there ever a reason not to use TRIM on a SSD?
[11:35] <ikonia> the wiki explains the pros/cons
[11:35] <ikonia> it is surprisingly detailed with worthwhile information
[11:35] <ikonia> (I posted the link to it earlier)
[11:35] <truepurple> k
[11:36] <truepurple> Does ubuntu have any other other SSD friendly features?
[11:37] <ikonia> such as ?
[11:39] <vlt> Aligning partition layout to (multiples of) block sizes?
[11:40] <ikonia> that's not really SSD specific though
[11:40] <ikonia> hence why I'm curious to what features
[11:40] <truepurple> Anything, is that a ubuntu feature that makes it more SSD friendly vlt?
[11:40] <ikonia> truepurple: such as ?
[11:40] <truepurple> Anything?
[11:40] <ikonia> truepurple: what technology are you looking for ?
[11:40] <truepurple> It was a open ended question
[11:41] <yofel> what are you thinking of? btrfs has some SSD optimizations, but that FS is still experimental
[11:41] <yofel> and ext4 has trim support - off by default though
[11:41] <ikonia> truepurple: tuning a disk, any disk depends on a lot of things, there are tuning options, but it depends what you want to do, how you use it, your hardware your expectations etc
[11:42] <truepurple> Oh yeah that is something, I heard once that EXT isn't as SSD friendly as other FS, not true? If I enable trim in ubuntu, will that enable for any EXT partitions too, or does that need to be done independantly?
[11:42] <yofel> ok wait
[11:42] <chenthu> does anyone know how to register here?
[11:43] <yofel> TRIM is enabled in the kernel by default, but the filesystem needs to tell the command *which* blocks to discard
[11:43] <yofel> and ext4 has support for it but doesn't do that by default
[11:43] <chenthu> i mean with a password
[11:43] <yofel> chenthu: type '/msg nickserv help register' and follow the instructions
[11:43] <chenthu> k thank u
[11:43] <truepurple> and you could ask other such questions in, I think the channels name is freenode
[11:45] <truepurple> yofel, Your confusing me, you guys just got done telling me TRIM was off by default, and now it sounds like your saying its on by default...but... and I don't understand that "but"
[11:45] <chenthu> Register Mighty01 chenthamaraipandian@yahoo.com
[11:45] <vlt> truepurple: Have you read ikonia's link?
[11:46] <yofel> truepurple: you are talking about TRIM, that's a kernel command in the ATA driver. It's up to the filesystem to use that command or not
[11:46] <ikonia> it's enabled in the kernal as an option, but not enabled on the disks unless you tell it do
[11:46] <truepurple> http://sites.google.com/site/lightrush/random-1/howtoconfigureext4toenabletrimforssdsonubuntu ?
[11:47] <yofel> truepurple: right, that will tell ext4 to use the trim command
[11:47] <^zenhobb-it> looo
[11:47] <truepurple> Which needs to be done per drive? Per partition?
[11:47] <ikonia> per mount
[11:47] <ikonia> so per partition really
[11:47] <ikonia> or "per filesystem" to be exact
[11:48] <truepurple> ikonia, per FS?
[11:48] <ikonia> yes, per file system
[11:48] <chenthu> REGISTER Mighty01 chenthamaraipandian@yahoo.com
[11:49] <vlt> chenthu: Send that to nickserv
[11:49] <truepurple> If that were true, and I enabled trim on a SSD that has the same FS as my ubuntu partition on a different drive, trim would be enabled on both
[11:49] <truepurple> ikonia, and that is not what you are saying, right?
[11:49] <ikonia> truepurple: no
[11:50] <truepurple> So what do you mean by per FS?
[11:50] <chenthu> vlt: yeah did i figured out now...lol...thanks
[11:50] <ikonia> truepurple: it needs to be enabled per file system you mount
[11:50] <vlt> truepurple: TRIM is anbaled per file system. Or not.
[11:50] <ikonia> not per file system type
[11:50] <ikonia> enabling it on 1 ext4 file system does not enable it on all ext4 file systems
[11:50] <ikonia> truepurple: if you look in /etc/fstab you'll see disks with mount points, each one of those mountpoints contains it's own file system
[11:50] <ikonia> trim has to be enabled on each file system
[11:51] <vlt> or not ;-)
[11:51] <truepurple> So back to per partition, I don't see how "per file system" clarifies anything.
[11:51] <ikonia> then you don't understand the technology
[11:51] <ikonia> each partition contains a unique file system to that partition
[11:51] <vlt> truepurple: file systems reside on block devices.
[11:51] <vlt> truepurple: which _can_ be partitions
[11:51] <ikonia> trim is enabled at the file system level
[11:51] <vlt> truepurple: So, "pe fs" is technically more correct.
[11:52] <vlt> *per
[11:52] <truepurple> If each partition contains a unique file system, then that is the exact same thing as saying per partition, and while per FS might also be technically correct, saying so seems to only serve to demonstrate your technical knowledge.
[11:53] <ikonia> truepurple: no, it gives you factual information
[11:53] <vlt> truepurple: No
[11:53] <ikonia> if you are under the impression you enable it per partition, then change the file system, it won't be enabled, thus miss-leading nyou
[11:53] <ikonia> giving you correct information, is helping you
[11:54] <truepurple> Ohh, that is the fine point you were trying to make
[11:54] <vlt> truepurple: I have nearly no fs on a partition here.
[11:54] <ikonia> it can also be missleading if you use raid devices (although trim doesn't work on them) or logical volumes as they have no partitions
[11:54] <ikonia> but you can enable trim
[11:54] <ikonia> so hence, giving you correct factual information to help youy
[11:54] <truepurple> Well if you want to be technical, if you change the FS, it probably isn't the same partition anyway.
[11:55] <ikonia> yes it is
[11:55] <ikonia> it's exactly the same partition
[11:55] <truepurple> ok
[11:55] <ikonia> and as I said trim can be applied to other file system such as logical volumes, which have no partition,
[11:55] <ikonia> that's why you where given detailed correct information
[11:55] <truepurple> vlt: What are you trying to tell me?
[11:56] <vlt> truepurple: What ikonia says :)
[11:57] <^zenhobb-it> Hello, excuse me, I wanted to remove Kubuntu as default Os at the pc startup and restoring Ubuntu instead. So I appied the command "sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop. I've done the reboot, but still appears the screen with Kubuntu blue logo and loading...-.- How can I completely restore Ubuntu as default?
[11:58] <chenthu> does anyone know how to scan network  through a wireless card using terminal?
[11:59] <truepurple> ikonia, you were saying http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM tells you reasons not to use TRIM on a SSD?
[11:59] <truepurple> I don't see it
[11:59] <ikonia> truepurple: it explains the function it does, so you can work out reasons not to use it
[11:59] <ikonia> truepurple: if the bonus it gives you causes no problems, then there is no reason not to sue it
[11:59] <ikonia> use i
[12:00] <truepurple> Like what? I dont see a reason not to, I mean other then actual data recovery verses trashed data
[12:00] <ikonia> truepurple: then there is no reason not to use it
[12:00] <truepurple> ikonia, do you know of any reason not to use TRIM on a SSD?
[12:01] <ikonia> as I tried to explain earlier reasons to use/not use tuning options depend on your personal goals/needs/wants/hardware/expectations, so it's down to you
[12:01] <ikonia> truepurple: if there is no reason for you not to use it, then use it, which from what you're saying, there is no reason not to use it, so go enjoy it
[12:01] <truepurple> If there are no cons, then it wouldn't depend on any of those things
[12:01]  * vlt head -> desk
[12:02] <ikonia> truepurple: do research and find out if there are any cons for you, we are going way outside ubuntu's scope here
[12:02] <vlt> chenthu: scan?
[12:02] <ikonia> truepurple: it sounds like you would have zero reason not to use it
[12:02] <truepurple> I was just asking if you knew of anything, and I guess not
[12:02] <vlt> chenthu: Try "iwlist scan"
[12:02] <ikonia> truepurple: guess what you want
[12:03] <truepurple> I would prefer you just told me directly, rather then what feels like talking in circles
[12:03] <truepurple> Direct saves alot of time and effort
[12:03] <chenthu> vlt: tried no use
[12:03] <ikonia> truepurple: I've told you direct, you just don't want to research your own situation and trim
[12:04] <truepurple> ikonia, it was a yes or no question, you didnt even get close to either
[12:04] <ikonia> truepurple: I suggest you use it as it's normally more than useful to most people
[12:04] <ikonia> I didn't see a yes or no question,
[12:05] <truepurple> ikonia, if ubuntu is able to to detect that a drive is SSD, and there is no reason to not use it, why doesn't ubuntu automatically enable TRIM?
[12:07] <ikonia> truepurple: a.) because ubuntu does not do ssd detection at install time, it just does disk detection time at this point b.) because enabling trim is a user option as not everyone wants it, this may change in future designs
[12:08] <truepurple> ikonia, that is the point though, if not everyone wants it, then there must be a reason not to use TRIM on a SSD, that or the premise that not everyone wants TRIM on their SSDs is wrong
[12:09] <truepurple> and if there is such a reason, I would like to know it
[12:09] <truepurple> So I can balance that reason for myself
[12:09] <ikonia> truepurple: there ARE reasons, and I've explained they are unique to different peoples setups which you seem to not want to hear,
[12:10] <ikonia> the majority of people want it and will use it though, so I suggest you use it, or do research beyond asking the same question in IRC
[12:10] <ikonia> as the majority of people want it, I suspect it will change in future releases
[12:10] <ikonia> a few things need to change in my view before major distros accept it as the norm/default
[12:10] <truepurple> Like what?
[12:11] <ikonia> I don't wish to discuss this further as it's not an ubuntu conversation
[12:11] <ikonia> you have the answer to your ubuntu support question
[12:11] <ikonia> it is not enabled by default, it must be enabled per file system and is supported from 10.04 onwards with the backported kernel and is active by default in 10.10/11.04
[12:11] <truepurple> I researched SSD for awhile before when researching to buy my PC parts, if such a reason exists, I did not find it, and probably could not find it
[12:12] <truepurple> ok
[12:12] <ikonia> there you go then, it probably won't effect you
[12:37] <^anhooubb-it> Hello, I need help for this: I wanted to remove Kubuntu as default Os at the pc startup and restoring Ubuntu instead. So I appied the command "sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop" and also "sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop". I've done the reboot, but still appears the screen with Kubuntu blue logo and loading...-.- How can I completely restore Ubuntu as default? Thanks
[12:40] <nit-wit> ^anhooubb-it, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/  lower left panel playing around
[12:43] <^anhooubb-it> thank you nit-wit, I already have read this, but yesterday an user here told me that the command described there broken his ubuntu...
[12:45] <nit-wit> ^anhooubb-it, hard to say always has worked for me, that site is run my a very skilled user.
[12:46] <nit-wit> ^anhooubb-it, the commands are a list of all the kubuntu packages and a reinstall of the desktop you want, just make sure you are using the one for your distro.
[13:02] <^anhooubb-it> ok. But I tryied also "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" after this, at it says that ubuntu already is up-to-date, so it doesn't reinstall
[13:05] <ikonia> ^anhooubb-it: that's just a meta package
[13:09] <nit-wit> sort of a backup command really
[13:11] <^anhooubb-it> ...so?
[13:34] <^anhooubb-it> back
[13:34] <nit-wit> ^anhooubb-it, are you set now
[13:36] <^anhooubb-it> I re-booted again, but kubuntu screen with the blue logo and loading still appears... why? It is totally unistalled or not?
[13:36] <^anhooubb-it> In the terminal it says yes
[13:37] <nit-wit> pastebin what the terminal says.
[13:38] <nit-wit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ here is a pastebin ink if needed
[13:38] <nit-wit> *link
[13:38] <^anhooubb-it> how can I change the languade in the terminal into english?
[13:39] <nit-wit> ^anhooubb-it, that is a conundrum, I'm not sure here, is the desktop choice at the login screen show kubuntu
[13:40] <nit-wit> *is=does
[13:44] <chenthu> nit_wit: bro i just booted form my usb for install...but where am i supposed to add nomodset
[13:45] <nit-wit> ^anhooubb-it, it has been a while sense I had multiple desktops installed then removed one. What I remember though is that there were applications of both the appeared in both desktops so I would lookif you see any kubuntu left in the desktop your using
[13:45] <nit-wit> chenthu, could you update me on whats going on.
[13:45] <nit-wit> *the=that bad spelling
[13:45] <chenthu> i just created a new usb disk after u gave me the link about my nvidia 6150 problem
[13:46] <nit-wit> chenthu, your installed correct?
[13:46] <nit-wit> or you staill need to instaLL?
[13:46] <chenthu> nope...i still have my 11.04 installed...but i get a black screen after 4 error windows..
[13:47] <nit-wit> chenthu, you can get to the boot menu without the disc or thumb?
[13:47] <chenthu> though i have already installed...and as u have said to add the nomodset thing before install...i am asking u
[13:47] <chenthu> yeah i can...
[13:48] <chenthu> i am asking u for a fresh install
[13:48] <nit-wit> at the menu no cd or thumb hit e for edit, then where it says no splash in the kernel line put in nomodeset the hit crtl-x to boot
[13:49] <chenthu> k
[13:49] <nit-wit> we want to see if we can get in without the cd or thumb
[13:49] <chenthu> k found it
[13:50] <nit-wit> coolwhat do you see
[13:50] <chenthu> now after  ro spalsh or before
[13:50] <chenthu> i see the ro splash quiet
[13:50] <nit-wit> after is okay ether should work
[13:50] <chenthu> ok
[13:50] <nit-wit> either
[13:51] <chenthu> k put it after now...its bootin...lets see
[13:51] <nit-wit> holding my breath ;)
[13:51] <chenthu> got the login
[13:51] <nit-wit> good login
[13:52] <chenthu> i get the same error...
[13:52] <nit-wit> wahts the error
[13:53] <chenthu> Could not update ICEauthority file /home/chenthu/.ICEauthority
[13:53] <chenthu> when i click close i get another error
[13:54] <chenthu> "There is a problem with the configuration server. (/usr/lib/libconf-sanity-check-2 excited with status 256)
[13:55] <nit-wit> chenthu, I'm not sure here,  would post that error in #ubuntu, we know how to get there now right no blck screen?
[13:56] <nit-wit> *i
[13:56] <chenthu> i still have the black screen..
[13:56] <chenthu> nogt black actually purple...but when i move the mouse pointer over the purple area it turns black
[13:57] <chenthu> third error message
[13:57] <nit-wit> I'm just not sure, really but all this information is probably helpful to mention in the busier channel
[13:58] <chenthu> Nautilus could not create the required folder"/home/chenthu/.nautilus
[13:58] <chenthu> i already searched for these errors and nothing worked
[13:58] <chenthu> fourth error
[13:59] <chenthu> System Program Problem detected "Do you want to report the problem now ?
[14:02] <nit-wit> chenthu, I wish I knew more, sorry I have to crash now good luck .
[14:03] <chenthu> nO probs....bro..thank you for the help....bye tc
[14:25] <chenthu> csn do,eone tell me how to mount a usb?
[14:25] <chenthu> can someone tell me how to mount a usb?
[14:25] <holstein> chenthu: you should be able to just plug it in, and it'll auto mount
[14:25] <chenthu> i dint
[14:25] <holstein> if not, i usually run in a terminal
[14:25] <holstein> sudo fdisk -l
[14:25] <chenthu> i forgot the formst of the mnt command
[14:25] <chenthu> i mounted yesterday
[14:25] <chenthu> fdisk only specifies the list of drives
[14:26] <holstein> then, i get the name of the partition i want to mount... say /dev/sdb1 for example
[14:26] <chenthu> k
[14:26] <holstein> then, i make a directory somewhere, like... mkdir ~/usbtemp
[14:26] <chenthu> done that too
[14:26] <chenthu> next
[14:27] <holstein> and do something like... sudo mount /dev/sdb1 ~/usbtemp
[14:27] <chenthu> did that but ...wait let me chck sgain
[14:30] <chenthu> done thank you
[15:17] <^anhooubb-it> hello again
[15:32] <^anhooubb-it> En taro adun starcraftman :-)
[16:09] <chenthu> any one know how to close the x server so i could install my nvidia driver?
[16:51] <^anhooubb-it> hello, is there any way to upgrade from ubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 and more?
[16:52] <bioterror> !8.10
[16:52] <ubot2> Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) was the ninth release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: April 30th, 2010. See !eol and !upgrade for more details.
[16:52] <bioterror> nope
[16:52] <bioterror> edit sources to newer :D
[16:53] <charlie-tca> ^anhooubb-it: you can upgrade from 8.04 direct to 10.04
[16:53] <charlie-tca> You do not have to go through 8.10, 9.04, 9.10. There is a direct upgrade
[16:53] <charlie-tca> LTS to LTS
[16:54] <bioterror> I should install old ubuntu one day
[16:54] <bioterror> and do a test
[16:54] <bioterror> just edit sources
[16:55] <charlie-tca> editing sources to an EOL release still won't let it upgrade. It will just mess up the current installation
[16:56] <bioterror> sure
[16:56] <bioterror> but I would do it from 7.04 to 11.10 :D
[16:58] <^anhooubb-it> :-)
[17:01] <^anhooubb-it> thank you charlie-tca and bioterror, I know that there is this direct update, but I want to try 9.04 and 9.10 before 10.04, to test them and see what distro is better for my pc
[17:03] <bioterror> waste of time and bandwith
[17:03] <bioterror> get into 10.04 directly
[17:05] <^anhooubb-it> I have both things to waste :-)
[17:05] <bioterror> I dont, as apt-get is slow ;)
[17:06] <^anhooubb-it> true
[17:23] <^anhooubb-it> but I want to test the 9th distros, above all for my dignity... what kind of ubuntu believer would I be if not? :-) What kind of man is who don't follow his companion in the pain as in the pleasure? :-) The goal has to be reached step-by step: 1->2->3->4->5->... not just 1-->5 :-) it's too easy, let's leave lazies doing it :-)
[17:33] <^anhooubb-it> * charlie-tca and bioterror , should I think you are one of them? :-)
[17:38] <charlie-tca> um, actually, 8.04, 8.10, 9.94, 9.10 are all EOL for desktops.
[17:39] <charlie-tca> I wouldn't waste time on them, since they are all going to fail to upgrade for you
[17:43] <charlie-tca> ^anhooubb-it: do you have all those images already?
[17:44] <charlie-tca> Much, much harder to upgrade to EOL versions, since there are no updates available for them now. You might be able to do it with the cd, though, if you have it.
[17:44] <^anhooubb-it> no, don't have any apart 9.04
[17:46] <^anhooubb-it> isn't there any dedicated server, source, webarchive, etc. for old updates to add to the update manager?
[17:47] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:47] <charlie-tca> I was just getting it
[17:47] <charlie-tca> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[17:47] <charlie-tca> I would make sure to have backups of any data I didn't want to lose, too.
[17:47] <charlie-tca> no guarantees that upgrades to EOL versions will work.
[17:48] <charlie-tca> You would need to point all of /etc/apt/sources.list at those old releases, I think.
[17:49] <charlie-tca> That's about all I got on old releases trying to upgrade, let me know if it works for you.
[17:50] <holstein> chenthu: i was thinking about you earlier... i used the nomodeset in a live CD
[17:51] <holstein> i was saying F4, but the option is over under F6... it doesnt hurt to just look around at all the options anywahs
[17:51] <holstein> anyway*
[17:52] <^anhooubb-it> thank you charlie-tca, but this page show cd images only, while I want to do a network update...
[18:04] <chenthu> holstien; i should have tried that...my mistake...will do it
[18:05] <holstein> eh... i forget where those options are...
[18:06] <holstein> chenthu: good news is i had the same issue you had, and i got around it, and got to a functional desktop
[18:07] <chenthu> wow...that sounds amazing...i have some home then....gonna do it right away
[18:07] <^anhooubb-it> 'lo holstein, can you help me for my issue? thanks
[18:08] <holstein> ^anhooubb-it: hey
[18:08]  * holstein looking
[18:08] <^anhooubb-it> 'lo nhandler bodhi_zazen pleia2 tronyx ikonia sardonyx !
[18:09] <holstein> ^anhooubb-it: im my professional opinion, you just want to backup your files (which you should do anyway before attempting an upgrade) and do a fresh install
[18:10] <holstein> ^anhooubb-it: you *dont* want to test 9.04 +
[18:10] <holstein> you want to skip right to 10.04
[18:10] <holstein> that is the LTS, and the others are not supported any longer anyways
[18:11] <holstein> i see bioterror has already told you this though...
[18:11] <holstein> the only option you have is to go to 10.04, unless you want to server some local repos
[18:11] <holstein> you could try the live CD's for 8.10 etc...
[18:12] <holstein> those are still around somewhere i bet
[18:12] <holstein> ^anhooubb-it: i see charlie-tca 's responses too
[18:12] <holstein> do you know what EOL means?
[18:13] <holstein> EOL = end of life
[18:13] <holstein> thats the issues i am going to assume you are going to have the most trouble with
[18:13] <holstein> like i tell everyone though, this is linux, and if you want 8.10, you can have it
[18:13] <bioterror> when version hits the EOL, there's no updates
[18:13] <holstein> but, you wont have any support from canonical
[18:16] <holstein> chenthu: im actually running into a very similar issue you are having doing an XP install
[18:16] <holstein> no repo, no commmunity :/ ...i'll find a driver somewhere though for XP
[18:22] <chenthu> holstien: XP?.....which system u need driver for on xp?
[18:22] <holstein> just some dell box with a graphics card thats not supported out of the box by windows
[18:23] <holstein> i'll sort it out, im just pointing out that this is a similar issue on windows
[18:23] <holstein> exactly the same really
[18:24] <harleydude> Hi Is Vuze for linux a good application to use?
[18:25] <holstein> good is really a matter of opinion... i just use transimission...
[18:25] <pleia2> transmission here too
[18:25] <holstein> i used it under windows a long time ago... worked fine
[18:26] <chenthu> holstein: all the best then... ;)
[18:26] <chenthu> There is an option to install drivers before installing linux "natty" which i am using now...
[18:26] <harleydude> ok so it is basically a torrent downoloader of sorts?
[18:27] <holstein> chenthu: that sounds like a good idea
[18:27] <harleydude> I currently use Deluge for that and have been ok with using it.
[18:27] <chenthu> harleydude: yeah basically a torrent but its useful for donloading videos and other things too using p2p
[18:27] <holstein> harleydude: i can only say what i use transmission for, which is basically torrents... hosting, downloading... i would expect similar funtionality from vuze
[18:28] <harleydude> chenthu; thanks
[18:28] <chenthu> holstien: yeah...learnt a lot this couple of days, i downloaded new drivers i have it in a externad hard disk...and there is an option to install drivers from external hard disk befor install
[18:28] <chenthu> harleydude: your welcome....\
[18:28] <harleydude> holstein; thanks as well
[18:51] <^anhooubb-it> 'lo orby jacob !
[18:58] <^anhooubb-it> holstein so is it possible to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10-9.04-9.10 without using a cd image? My cd-drive is very bad
[18:59] <holstein> ^anhooubb-it: anything is possible... i would do whatever it takes to *not* upgrade like that
[18:59] <holstein> i literally can take 7+hours to do each one
[18:59] <bioterror> ^anhooubb-it, NO IT IS NOT
[18:59] <bioterror> there's no packages in repositories
[18:59] <holstein> and you'll likely have errors since the repos are down
[18:59] <holstein> yeah ^^
[18:59] <holstein> you'll have to download pacakges, and host them locally
[18:59] <bioterror> for the last time: it's not possible and it does not have any common sense to do it
[19:00] <^anhooubb-it> ok lol :-)
[19:00] <holstein> well, it technically would be possible, but why?... it would be *such* a pain
[19:00] <^anhooubb-it> I surrender ^_^
[19:00] <holstein> you dont want 8.10
[19:00] <holstein> trust me
[19:00] <bioterror> install 11.10
[19:00] <holstein> you want 10.04 or newer
[19:00] <bioterror> it will be much more fun :D
[19:03] <^anhooubb-it> so if I upgrade to 10.04, does it erase the entire partition and will I lose all dates?
[19:03] <holstein> dates?
[19:03] <holstein> OH.. data
[19:03] <^anhooubb-it> y
[19:03] <holstein> IF you do an upgrade, it should preserve your data
[19:04] <holstein> but, you should always backup before doing anything major like that
[19:04] <bioterror> backups are for wussies!
[19:04] <bioterror> you can always boot livecd :D
[19:05] <holstein> hehe
[19:05] <^anhooubb-it> :)
[19:05] <^anhooubb-it> but
[19:06] <^anhooubb-it> what about my "home folder"?
[19:06] <^anhooubb-it> Does it have to be in a separate partition in order to preserv data?
[19:09] <^anhooubb-it> hol?
[19:09] <bioterror> yes when doing fresh install
[19:09] <bioterror> but what comes to upgrading
[19:10] <bioterror> no need
[19:10] <bioterror> just do it! ;)
[19:10] <^anhooubb-it> really?
[19:10] <bioterror> I've done it since 2000 something
[19:11] <^anhooubb-it> I will find you at home if it format my partition! ^^
[19:18] <bioterror> good
[19:18] <bioterror> I'll make you clean my home
[19:29] <^anhooubb-it> :-)
[19:30] <^anhooubb-it> yes from your remains ^^
[19:36] <geirha> An ubuntu upgrade is just upgrading all the packages on the system to a newer version, install some new ones, and remove some. The package manager will never ever touch /home.
[19:45] <^anhooubb-it> ok thank you geirha I thought that 8.04-10.04 was different... how much could it lasts?
[19:45] <geirha> It's a bigger jump, but it worked fine for me.
[19:46] <geirha> It'll take some hours, and you should make sure the computer won't lose power while upgrading.
[20:03] <^anhooubb-it> ok thank you
[21:01] <CLF1> need help fixing samba4...broken and cannot repair broken package....what should I do
[21:53] <^anhooubb-it> can I upgrade 8.04-10.04 with 5 gb free dik space?
[21:54] <geirha> ^anhooubb-it: Probably, if you don't have more than 3GB in additional packages installed. At any rate, it will check if there is sufficient disk space before starting the upgrade.
[21:54] <geirha> It'll also tell you how much space it will be using.
[21:58] <^anhooubb-it> thanks