[03:58] <doctormo> pleia2: Nice photos of you at FOSSCON
[03:58] <pleia2> doctormo: thanks
[03:59] <doctormo> I spy reasons to love to, nice :-D
[03:59] <doctormo> I have an owl!
[03:59] <pleia2> yeah, that was one of my "you can contribute with design!" slides :)
[03:59] <pleia2> an owl?
[04:00] <doctormo> pleia2: Minoly surprised me with an owl art: http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/Night%20moon%20owl.svg
[04:01] <doctormo> I know it's a bit late for ubuntu-learning-materials, but it's still cute.
[04:01] <doctormo> Mimoly*
[04:01] <pleia2> aw, nice :)
[04:03] <doctormo> pleia2: I've been putting my art to good use, floor ethernet maps of the BHA community centers. They get taped to the inside of the electrical closets
[04:03] <pleia2> doctormo: as a sysadmin who has to deal with undocumented networks, I love you for that :)
[04:04] <doctormo> pleia2: I thought you might approve, could you peer review here: http://divajutta.com/doctormo/charlestown-plan.svg
[04:05] <pleia2> blues go into the 16 and purples into the 8?
[04:05] <doctormo> pleia2: yes
[04:05] <pleia2> looks good
[04:06] <doctormo> There are 10 of these centers, some don't even have ethernet infrastructure.
[04:06] <doctormo> just wires along the ground.
[04:06] <pleia2> not surprising
[04:07] <pleia2> in the schools we've worked in we pretty much have to run all the ethernet, if they had computers before us they either weren't networked or were poorly wired
[04:08] <pleia2> and we still need to run them when we want connectivity in individual classrooms, woo wire crimpers :)
[04:10] <nigelb> s/woo/eewww/g :P
[04:11] <pleia2> it's actually surprisingly satisfying work now and then
[04:11] <nigelb> ha!
[04:12] <doctormo> pleia2: Do you install good permanent infrastructure, or is it just temp?
[04:13] <pleia2> doctormo: I wouldn't say "good" but for all intents and purposes it is permanent
[04:14] <pleia2> budget is pretty much non-existant so we do what we can with what we have
[04:15] <doctormo> pleia2: Yeah, in a lot of cases I end up repairing or making do.
[04:15] <doctormo> In the site you just saw, when i got there, 12% of the ethernet ducts were falling off the walls.
[04:16] <doctormo> Some strong outdoor double sided tape, and their all repaired. No sense waiting for the network to die because wires got cut from the infrastructure literally falling around their ears.
[04:18] <pleia2> we go through walls when we can, but a lot of these buildings are old and all we can reasonably do is run wires along the tops of doorways down hallways
[04:18] <pleia2> (our ethernet is not the only wires running through the hallways)
[04:19] <doctormo> Mary Ellen has that issue, there is NO WAY to get anything inside a stone wall. Not even screw holes.
[04:19]  * pleia2 nods
[04:20] <doctormo> I ended up fixing the projector screen with same double sided tape, with some screws at the bottom for weight.
[04:20] <doctormo> Pretty cool though, cieling paint, tape and two old cork boards chopped up.
[04:21] <pleia2> it's amazing how creative one gets :)
[04:22] <doctormo> No amount of megivering could create a projector though. Donation from HDS away! ;-)
[04:23] <pleia2> nice, working projectors are rare finds!
[04:24] <doctormo> pleia2: See pictures here: https://plus.google.com/102241005050666075649
[04:25] <pleia2> haha, excellent
[04:25] <doctormo> That wall blunted 3 masonry bits, one quite expensive one.
[04:27] <pleia2> heh, ouch
[04:30] <pleia2> I have to say that as rewarding it is to work on these things I do still feel guilty about having a government that allows schools to be in such disrepair and without access to reasonable resources
[04:34] <doctormo> pleia2: I feel annoyed, more than guilty, that recoures are being wasted. Not just on Bug#1 bullshit. But also on constractors that neither care or know anything.
[04:34] <doctormo> It's like they're stuck hiring from bottom of the pile because they don't know any better.
[04:34] <doctormo> resources*
[04:38] <pleia2> yeah, and so much red tape and bureaucracy so the people who can get contracts are stupid limited
[04:38] <pleia2> we're only there because we're volunteers
[04:43] <doctormo> pleia2: I think I might be in a position with less red tape, only for the fact that BHA.IT=0, so they don't actually have any confidence either over their IT.
[04:44] <doctormo> But that means that unscrupulous contracts can take advantage, another issue to raise the blood presure.
[04:45] <pleia2> yeah :\
[04:47] <nigelb> Well, I wish there was a place for open source people to be found for contracts.
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:30] <kim0> Morning all
[09:22] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:58] <nigelb> AlanBell: ping, do you have the wiki scraping script you used the other day
[09:59] <AlanBell> hmm, I never finished that little project
[09:59] <AlanBell> the wiki has throttling built in so it takes ages, all I did was get a list of all pages and wget them in a script
[09:59] <AlanBell> wget the raw page of each that is
[10:01] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/652995/
[10:06] <nigelb> aha, need to pass and emtpy user agent
[10:06] <nigelb> my friend was trying something like this elsewhere and ran into similar issues
[10:36] <AlanBell> yes, the wiki blocks wget, so pretend to be something else
[10:37] <nigelb> heh
[10:52] <kim0> Howdy folks .. Would be interested in uploading Cloud-days sessions to the wiki, and linking them up to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCloudDays/Timetable
[12:00] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:07] <nigelb> Morning duanedesign
[13:01] <jcastro> morning
[13:04] <nigelb> Good morning jcastro. Internet etc all set?
[13:08] <jcastro> nigelb: yep, all set!
[13:08] <jcastro> kim0: can you check the ensemble report?
[13:09] <jcastro> I think I got everything, just needs a once over
[13:09] <kim0> jcastro: yeah gimme a moment
[13:09] <nigelb> jcastro: \o/
[13:12] <jcastro> kim0: yeah no rush
[13:29] <czajkowski> *sigh*
[13:29] <mhall119> morning
[13:30] <czajkowski> I do wish people wouldn't blame the Lc when we are trying to do stuff especially when it's not our fault and decisions were made without us
[13:30] <jcastro> I BLAME PAULTAG
[13:31] <czajkowski> jcastro: nope to be fair he's helping us, given we're getting the blame for something and trying to fix something that is't really a LC issue it's a LD issue
[13:31] <czajkowski> on the plus side yay for canonical for sponsoring oggcamp :)
[13:41] <jcastro> OMG
[13:42] <jcastro> http://randall.executiv.es/jam-o-meter
[13:42] <jcastro> that is /brilliant/.
[13:42] <jcastro> dholbach: ^
[13:42] <jcastro> man, why didn't we think of that before
[13:51] <paultag> jcastro: always :)
[13:52] <paultag> Just got an android phone, first once since my G1
[13:52] <paultag> it's nice. Comes with HTC crapware apps. I can't seem to uninstall them
[13:52] <paultag> guess that means it's time to root / hack the ROM
[13:53] <jussi> paultag: want a app recommendation?
[13:53] <paultag> How stupid is that. I don't want your stupid apps, so I'm going to have to cause the phone to be in an unpredictable state. Gah.
[13:53] <paultag> jussi: yes, please!
[13:53] <jussi> viber :)
[13:53] <paultag> jussi: viber?
[13:54] <paultag> jussi: oh cool free calls and such
[13:54] <paultag> jussi: thanks :)
[13:54] <jussi> paultag: SIP, but linked to your phone number, auto populates contact via those that registered with their phone number against your phone book
[13:54] <paultag> jussi: radical, thanks man :)
[13:55] <paultag> I need to get star trek noises for the phone, at some point
[13:55] <jussi> hehe
[13:56] <paultag> HTC Inspire, not a bad unit
[13:56] <paultag> I like phones that feel metal-ey
[14:02] <kim0> jcastro: I've added a few things to http://pad.ubuntu.com/ensemble-report
[14:03] <jcastro> oh man
[14:03] <jcastro> How did I miss this services thing
[14:05] <kim0> jcastro: I also see a few new formulas couchdb, memcached, rabbitmq .. those should be mentioned right ?
[14:06] <jcastro> I can add them
[14:06] <jcastro> ok I was having a hard time figuring out which formulas are new
[14:06] <kim0> couch is not really new .. just updated for port exposing
[14:06] <jcastro> I did sort my recently changed in principia
[14:06] <kim0> cool go ahead and add those then
[14:07] <jcastro> cool, then I just push it out on cloud.u.c?
[14:07] <kim0> yeah and tag with whatever tags + planet
[14:07] <kim0> so it goes to planet
[14:08] <jcastro> ah, right
[14:09] <jcastro> one thing tumblr does that I wish wordpress did ootb
[14:10] <jcastro> is you can just publish things to a queue
[14:10] <jcastro> and then it times them out so they post evenly
[14:11] <jcastro> kim0: how did you determine the formulas to mention? Do you just manually go through them all and check them out or do you have a smart way?
[14:13] <kim0> jcastro: no smart way .. just sorting by last modified and the commit number helps to know if it's new or not :)
[14:14]  * jcastro nods
[14:14] <jcastro> kim0: oh in the source tree? or in launchpad
[14:14] <kim0> just lp
[14:15] <kim0> there is no single source tree for formulas
[14:15] <jcastro> juan made that list script
[14:15] <jcastro> but I haven't tried it
[14:16] <jcastro> I must be missing something, I can't find the bugs for memached or rabbit
[14:18] <kim0> jcastro: just check out https://code.launchpad.net/principia
[14:18] <kim0> there might be no bugs indeed
[14:18] <jcastro> ah right
[14:18] <jcastro> I was looking for the bugs for the list, I see where the formulas themselves are
[14:18] <jcastro> I'll just reformat it different.
[14:25] <jcastro> kim0: ok weird, can you try to do a fresh branch of principia?
[14:25] <jcastro> I get some dumb bzr/lp error
[14:26] <kim0> jcastro: there is none
[14:26] <kim0> principia is now a "distro" whatever that means .. there is no single source tree that has all formulas
[14:26] <jcastro> ugh
[14:26] <jcastro> crap
[14:27] <paultag> jcastro: and what exactly would you do with sourcecode?
[14:28] <jcastro> search through logs, look at which ones are new
[14:28] <jcastro> read comments
[14:28] <paultag> carry on
[14:29] <jcastro> I don't need to be a rocket scientist to read a bash script that says "apt-get -y install rabbitmq" :)
[14:29] <paultag> jcastro: well no, rocket scientists can't code. I'd not think you had to be
[14:29] <paultag> jcastro: a programmer, on the other hand?
[14:29] <paultag> perchance
[14:30] <paultag> see? I'm being a snarky wiseass. It's how I get through the day
[14:30] <jcastro> kim0: the first few comments on that cloud post you linked to are hilarious
[14:30] <kim0> jcastro: heh yeah weirdo
[14:32] <jcastro> wordpress needs an etherpad plugin
[14:32] <jcastro> so people can work on the same article in WP instead of copying it over to WP
[14:32] <paultag> hummm
[14:32] <paultag> that's actually not a bad idea
[14:32] <paultag> if etherpad was not in java, that'd work brilliantly
[14:33] <paultag> but you'd be forced to run Tomcat and Apache, which I'm pretty sure even the NSA can't run
[14:33] <paultag> Also, it'd throw a cross-site scripting shit-fit unless you can plumb a fake request server in front of it
[14:34] <doctormo> paultag: I recommend more fiber in your diet ;-)
[14:34] <paultag> doctormo: :)
[14:35] <doctormo> paultag: Also, move etherpad to django, can't take more than 5 mins.
[14:35] <jcastro> kim0: ok all I need now is a catchy title
[14:35] <paultag> doctormo: hehehe
[14:35] <jcastro> someone made etherpad-lite on node.js
[14:35] <jcastro> it looks pretty badass
[14:35] <doctormo> Job done, get it packaged and lets grab a drink.
[14:35] <dholbach> jcastro, yeah, I saw it - it's awesome
[14:35] <kim0> the creative bits again :)
[14:41] <jcastro> got it!
[14:51] <jcastro> man
[14:51] <jcastro> there's this beautiful heron in my back yard
[14:51] <paultag> wow, my mind is messed up
[14:52] <paultag> (my brain said s/heron/heroin/)
[15:05] <cjohnston> jcastro: have you moved in?
[15:06] <jcastro> yeah
[15:08] <cjohnston> sweet
[15:08]  * cjohnston is headed down for a party
[15:08] <cjohnston> (at jcastro's place)
[15:13] <czajkowski> paultag: me too
[15:13] <czajkowski> :/
[15:23] <cjohnston> jcastro: on  uds.u.c can you add as the last link on the main nav "Today" pointing to http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/today but keep it hidden please?
[15:29] <dholbach> alright my friends - I have a train to catch - I'll see you tomorrow
[15:29] <dholbach> HUGS
[15:29] <cjohnston> o/
[15:30] <jcastro> cjohnston: oh right, good idea
[15:30] <jcastro> cjohnston: hey, dumb question, what do y'all set your thermostat to around here?
[15:30] <cjohnston> lol.. 77 day, 74 night here..
[15:30] <cjohnston> but we cant afford cooler
[15:31] <jcastro> does summit.u.c/today work?
[15:32] <jcastro> why doe we make it uds-specific?
[15:33] <cjohnston> we made it uds specific so that we can run simultaneous events
[15:34] <jcastro> there doesn't seem to be a way to hide a menu option
[15:34] <cjohnston> i thought there was
[15:34] <jcastro> just a link
[15:34] <jcastro> easy enough to add when we get there
[15:35] <cjohnston> well.. we were waiting on you to move to add it to summit
[15:35] <jcastro> no one ever asked me to add it to the main menu?
[15:35] <cjohnston> the patch for summit was ready the end of last week
[15:35] <cjohnston> you were getting ready to leave
[15:36] <cjohnston> so we left you alone
[15:36] <cjohnston> "waiting on you to move"
[15:44] <dpm> hi technoviking, do you know if is there an api or any way in which subforums from the Ubuntu forums can be shown from an external site? I.e. a wordpress site showing a view of the latest entries or something like that?
[15:47] <nhandler> dpm: You could use a frame of some sort or use a script to screenscrape it
[16:28] <nigelb> jcastro: nigelb.me/ubuntu/2011/07/27/summit-improvements-and-bugfixes.html <3
[16:28] <mhall119> lack of http:// means it's not clickable in gnome-terminal
[16:29] <nigelb> mhall119: http://nigelb.me/ubuntu/2011/07/27/summit-improvements-and-bugfixes.html
[16:30] <czajkowski> hmm
[16:32] <mhall119> nigelb: nice list
[16:34] <nigelb> mhall119: awk/perl goodness thanks to maco :)
[16:34] <mhall119> +1 maco
[16:36] <nhandler> nigelb: I like the font for the title. I thought it was animage at first
[16:37] <nigelb> nhandler: Its from google webfonts
[16:37] <nigelb> It had a lovely childness to it which I liked
[16:37] <czajkowski> I could so do with a drink
[16:37] <cjohnston> it represents you well
[16:40] <nigelb> cjohnston: hah
[16:46] <jcastro> <-- lunching
[17:21] <dpm> nhandler, thanks
[17:31] <jcastro> popey: ping
[18:00] <nigelb> <3 that there's a section for Ubuntu Unity in http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/610
[18:16] <paultag> nigelb: pro
[18:16] <paultag> d
[18:17] <nigelb> paultag: huh?
[18:17] <paultag> nigelb: prod :)
[18:17] <nigelb> paultag: ah, pon
[18:17] <nigelb> g
[18:17] <nigelb> :P
[18:17] <paultag> nigelb: I have an idea for an android app that will make us crazy happy with ourselvs
[18:17] <paultag> nigelb: if you have some time to hack with your ole' friend paul
[18:18] <nigelb> paultag: yessir, but after I finish my dream android app ;)
[18:18] <nigelb> lets move to a PM :D
[18:18] <paultag> nigelb: mkay :)
[18:18] <paultag> nigelb: kk
[18:33] <nigelb> oh wow -> http://www.romancortes.com/blog/pure-css-coke-can/
[19:46] <czajkowski> jcastro: ping
[19:47] <jcastro> hi
[19:48] <czajkowski> jcastro: is jono on tody ?
[19:48] <czajkowski> I ask as I've a call in a few hours wiht him
[19:50] <jcastro> I think he's at oscon still
[19:50] <jcastro> "enjoy the silence" is what I recommend. :D
[19:50] <czajkowski> fair enough
[19:51] <czajkowski> back to testing mates application so
[19:51] <czajkowski> kinda nice to be back writing test cases and finding bugs on a new system
[20:37] <daker> more linkedin spam :/
[20:53] <czajkowski> it's really annoying on the ML
[20:55] <daker> it's linkedin fault, it sends reminders periodically
[20:57] <maco> also it defaults to "select all" i think
[20:58] <nhandler> I don't see most of it, but it is possible for a list admin to block all linkedin spam from the list