[11:05] hi all [11:05] udd meeting? [11:31] hi poolie [11:31] hi james_w === jussi01_ is now known as jussi [12:00] #startmeeting [12:00] Meeting started at 07:00. The chair is barry. [12:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [12:00] hi folks. i think we may have had a time snafu, but is anybody around for the udd stakeholders meeting today? [12:01] hi [12:02] hi james_w, i know poolie was around a bit ago [12:02] oh hi [12:02] i'm here [12:03] hi. any word from jam, vila, jelmer, riddell? [12:04] btw, while we're waiting did anybody see the article on git linked from /. today? once again bzr gets shorted. /me resolves to write his "why bzr rocks" article [12:05] [TOPIC] agenda [12:05] New Topic: agenda [12:05] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110727 [12:05] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110727 [12:05] hi [12:05] hi jelmer [12:06] i guess we should just jump in then... [12:06] [TOPIC] action items [12:06] New Topic: action items [12:06] * jelmer to study the feasibility of merge helper ([[https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-builddeb/+bug/608675|bug 608675]]) as an intermediate step for quilt support [12:06] [12:06] Ubuntu bug 608675 in bzr-builddeb "merge-package should have support for manipulating quilt v3 patch stacks" [High,In progress] [12:07] jam and i are goibg to pair on that when he gets back from holiday [12:07] awesome [12:07] * jelmer to look into [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/609187|bug 609187]] (warn when package import is out of date) [12:07] [12:07] Ubuntu bug 609187 in Ubuntu Distributed Development "users are not warned when branching ubuntu:foo (or lp:ubuntu/foo) and the package import of foo is out of date" [High,Fix released] [12:08] i think the new bzr.dev feature addresses this, right? oh, and it's awesome [12:08] yes, john fixed it, and it is great [12:08] it also starts a new much faster lp api client [12:08] currently covering one api point i think :) [12:09] :) yes, it's really great. any thoughts on back porting this feature to released bzr? [12:09] yes, that should be pretty easy [12:09] i think it was done based off an old branch [12:09] i had some concern about whether it would be seen as in the spirit of srus [12:09] it probably is ok though [12:09] certainly a welcome feature [12:09] shall we put it in everything back to lucid? [12:10] i can understand the hesitation to sru a new feature, but this one really is a significant help to udd packagers, so i'd vote for "yes" [12:10] me too [12:11] though how many packagers are on lucid? [12:11] jelmer: that's a good point, probably not many. but i'd say definitely sru to natty [12:11] i guess they may well be running it within a chroot or on a vm [12:11] at least [12:11] or on a canonical dc machine ofr that matter [12:12] i'll add a note on the bug [12:13] thanks. we should also update the new packaging guide, because it will really simplify things. is Riddell up for that? if not, i can do it (once it lands in natty and oneiric at least) [12:13] yes, he's been doing a lot of work on it [12:13] i don't know if he's here right now [12:13] we should mention it [12:14] he's been doing *fantastic* work on the guide (i've reviewed a bunch of his branches). i'll take an action to coordinate with him [12:14] [ACTION] barry to coordinate w/Riddell about updating the guide for bug 609187 feature [12:14] ACTION received: barry to coordinate w/Riddell about updating the guide for bug 609187 feature [12:14] Launchpad bug 609187 in Ubuntu Distributed Development "users are not warned when branching ubuntu:foo (or lp:ubuntu/foo) and the package import of foo is out of date" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609187 [12:14] * jelmer to post summary of user visible changes with lp rollout [12:14] [12:15] * jelmer to post feature summary about inline diffs [12:15] [12:15] jelmer: do you remember these? [12:15] I dont remember these [12:15] he's only intermittently connected [12:16] i think really we can put this on mrevell who does blog.l.n [12:16] but, perhaps we want to share it with ubuntu-devel or something? [12:16] I was only a bit involved with them [12:17] poolie: do you think we need to do anything special or will the normal lp feature rollout announcement machinery take care of it? ;) [12:17] i don't think we should do anything special [12:17] cool. [12:17] i think the announcements will get at least onto planet ubuntu [12:17] yeah, they do [12:17] * riddell to update udd docs to use {{{bzr tag}}} instead of {{{bzr mark-uploaded}}} [12:17] [12:18] i think that's done [12:18] [TOPIC] package importer progress [12:18] New Topic: package importer progress [12:18] ok [12:18] so, some progress there [12:19] we deployed a new bzr which fixed some things but had some bad fallout [12:19] so we're now back on 2.3.4 [12:19] ithink it's at about 430 failures [12:20] didn't vila fix a bunch of failures, or is that part of what got rolled back? [12:20] multi tarball suppprt is almost done [12:20] we have fixed several classes of failure [12:20] that's great, thanks [12:21] jelmer: nice. do you have any example packages that use multiple tarballs? [12:22] yes, search for 'multiple' on http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/ [12:22] some, but I can always use more [12:22] perl :) [12:23] so, is the bad fallout from the rollout fixed? do you expect to see a bzr update on lp again soon? [12:23] ah, ok [12:24] so we did two rollouts, to the udd importer and to launchpad, both of which had some bumps [12:24] i think we will do them again soon, probably within this fortnight [12:24] I have a mp that is awaiting review that fixes lp [12:25] cool [12:25] we had a postmortem about the lp one (thanks poolie!) [12:26] anything else on the importer? [12:27] [TOPIC] bugs of interest [12:27] New Topic: bugs of interest [12:27] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html [12:27] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html [12:27] not from me [12:27] oh, one new thing, which is bit.ly/ubuntu-vcs-job [12:27] looking for someone great to join in working on this [12:27] please think of someone who might be interested, and point them to that, or circulate that url [12:27] yep, i've been socially mediating it :) [12:28] thanks [12:28] * barry is always impressed at the progress evident in the kanban [12:29] hi, sorry I'm late [12:29] it's great to see more released/needs release than queued/inprogress/needs review :) [12:29] hi Riddell no worries. you might want to read the scollback [12:30] poolie, jelmer anything in particular you want to point out about the kanban? [12:30] i got a few personal bugs sorted out which was nice [12:30] jelmer are the colo branch url things tolerably unblocked? [12:31] oh, lp is making some codehost deployment changes that should put it behind an haproxy [12:31] which should make it more stable, especially during upgrades [12:31] and also, safely let us test jam's faster-connection-startup patch [12:31] which when it works should take something like 1s off the start of a connection [12:31] nice [12:32] i think we're about done [12:32] [TOPIC] aob [12:32] New Topic: aob [12:33] poolie: just one from me. can you double check the gcal meeting time? i'm good for meeting in 2 weeks at 1200 utc, but if people will be disappearing for vacation, we can skip 2 weeks from now [12:33] I need to set a better meeting reminder, this meeting happens just as I go for lunch :( [12:34] i think bzr people are tending to be away now, rather [12:34] poolie: yes, colocated is unblocked [12:35] poolie: why don't we just cancel the august meetings and come back in september (i.e. sept 7th)? or is that too much of a gap? [12:36] i think that's ok [12:36] ok [12:36] i cannot persuade gcal to change the time [12:36] :/ [12:36] cool, resolved then. :) [12:36] grrr. ;) [12:36] so that's the 7th of september then? [12:37] poolie: yep. i'm also happy to do it at 1100utc come september [12:37] could you be so kind as to send minutes with this right at the top? [12:37] poolie: will do [12:38] ok [12:38] it's late here; i might go [12:38] unless there's anything else, i think we're done... [12:38] #endmeeting [12:38] Meeting finished at 07:38. [12:38] thanks everyone! [12:40] thanks barry [15:00] * stgraber waves [15:00] * bdmurray waves [15:00] * barry silently twitches [15:00] #startmeeting [15:00] Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is stgraber. [15:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:00] hiya [15:01] hi [15:01] so, unless I missed something, we're missing cjwatson, jhunt_ and slangasek today? [15:02] [TOPIC] Lightning round [15:02] New Topic: Lightning round [15:02] $ echo $(shuf -e barry bdmurray ev doko mvo stgraber) [15:02] doko barry mvo stgraber ev bdmurray [15:02] though doko doesn't seem to be around either [15:02] they're at debconf [15:02] barry: you're up! [15:02] in that case... [15:02] more bug 788514 (libapache2-mod-python, python-gnupginterface, python-gtkspell, python-ibus, ibus-pinyin, ibus-table, python-liblouis, python-notify, papyon); developer experience cop; mm3 authentication meeting; ubuntu-packaging-guide reviews; various work on lucid lts ppa; udd meetings. done. [15:02] [15:02] Launchpad bug 788514 in Ubuntu Oneiric "python packages on the CDs not using dh_python2" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/788514 [15:03] did: [15:03] software-center: add toprated sort/keymaker/UI, add utils/show_top_rated_for_various_powers.py, work on gtk3/GI version of purchase/available-for-me, write more tests, code refactor, move AppEnquire into generic db space, make a gobject, add query-complete signal, pyflake fixes, review/merge top-rated branch from axp2, work on tests for the new nav history [15:03] update-manager: review/merge lp:~mterry/update-manager/813778 (thanks mterry!), review/merge lp:~rodrigo-moya/update-manager/use-new-power-interface, lp:~evfool/update-manager/shortinterval, lp:~evfool/update-manager/sortpackages, debug/fix resize issue (#812949), cleanup [15:03] apt: fix cdrom mount path problem for good and add DeEscapeString() function (with tests) to libapt, merge from debian-sid, test/upload new version to oneiric [15:03] software-properties: fix SetUpdateInterval() to use the dbus backend and upload new version, fix cdrom support [15:03] apt-xapian-index: merge from debian, apply patch from brian murray (#752195) [15:03] apturl: add aptdaemon backend and port to gtk3 [15:03] gdebi: fix resize issue [15:03] auto-upgrade-tester: debug rootfs find failure, cherry pick fix for grub, add (optional) jenkins slave, deploy jenkins slave in QA lab, add jenkins configuration matrix [15:03] EOF [15:04] DONE: - tpm stuff: Reproduced a bug in opencryptoki on Natty. Bugfix got uploaded to Oneiric but can't be tested. Now trying to get TPM support working on Oneiric... - multipath: Spent a good part of Monday and yesterday playing with the SAN in Montreal to test a multipath-tools bugfix. (bug 690387) [15:04] Launchpad bug 690387 in multipath-tools (Ubuntu Maverick) "udev block naming breaks failover and sd kref release cycle" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690387 [15:04] - IPv6: Helped cyphermox est some more network-manager packages until all the tests finally passed. B.logged about the state of things and asked for some more community testing: http://www.stgraber.org/2011/07/26/state-of-ipv6-in-ubuntu-oneiric/ - Daily builds: LTSP (all of the packages) and LXC now have daily builds working - LTSP: Worked a bit on implementing support for new nbd-server, needs some more work. (bug 806419) [15:04] Launchpad bug 806419 in ltsp (Ubuntu Oneiric) "nbd-server doesn't work on Oneiric" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806419 [15:04] - Arkose: Got a woring DBUS proxy yesterday, code is here: lp:~arkose-devel/avrkose/dbus-proxy [15:04] TODO for this week: - Patch pilot this afternoon - Try to get tpm-tools to build on Oneiric (ideally with the latest upstream release) - Convince the SAN in Montreal to do multipath so I can actually test the SRU :) - Cleanup arkose's dbus-proxy code, implement blacklisting/whitelisting and integrate into the arkose code. - Fix LTSP so that it works for alpha-3 [15:05] copy/paste really hates me... irssi says I'm pasting 13 lines and it ends up on just 4... [15:05] readable version is at: http://paste.ubuntu.com/653167/ :) [15:05] Oh, and bought myself a used SAN on ebay with plenty of storage for close to nothing ;) should arrive this week/next so I have more storage here and can use it for multipath testing. [15:05] (done) [15:06] SAN> woah! [15:06] hehe [15:06] 2.3TB of 10k RPM storage on fiber channel, that's going to be fun! [15:06] wow! [15:07] that was for around $700-800 shipping included (from California) ;) [15:07] just the disks are worth more than that :) [15:08] ev: ? [15:08] - Fixed unicode issues on the keyboard page for the PyGI branch. [15:08] - Sorted my travel arrangements for Linux Plumbers. [15:08] - More PyGI work: [15:08] - Fixed the GtkBuilder UI for the user setup page, which was all sorts of [15:08] broken. [15:08] - Hostname collision detection. [15:08] - Unit tests for the user setup page. [15:08] - Wubi disk image integration work. [15:08] - Looked into creating a Wubi unit test harness. Stopped for now, will review [15:08] come feature freeze. [15:08] - Bootloader work in the Wubi disk image stuff. [15:08] - Looking into various places to save space in the compressed Wubi executable, [15:08] since I'm adding a moderate amount of space to it with xz support and other [15:08] bits. [15:08] - Reviewed the designs for the installer slideshow. [15:08] - Investigated jasper and oem-config, but ultimately went with a pure [15:10] ev: is there more? [15:11] bdmurray: did it get cut off? [15:11] stopped at pure [15:11] god I hate IRC [15:11] lupin initramfs solution for firstboot. [15:11] - Worked on the initramfs code for Wubi firstboot. All done now. [15:11] - Reviewed the advanced partitioner specification with Matthew. [15:11] - Fixes to live-build, lupin, and livecd-rootfs for Wubi. [15:11] - Looked into live resizing the ext3 disk image should it run out of disk [15:11] hehe, for once I'm not the only one having copy/paste issues ;) [15:11] space. [15:11] - Looking into loading the slideshow from MFC and Python using ctypes. [15:11] (done) [15:12] consolidation of duplicate dpkg bug reports, apt-xapian-index bug triage, grub2 bug triage, wrote code to tag dist-upgrade bug reports and tagging them dist-upgrade, moving of linux apport-package bug reports to grub2 [15:12] base-files upload regarding motd and conffiles (bug 813282), apt-xapian-index fix for bug 752195 [15:12] Launchpad bug 813282 in base-files (Ubuntu) "base-files: /etc/update-motd.d/* should be conffiles" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/813282 [15:12] Launchpad bug 752195 in apt-xapian-index (Ubuntu) "update-apt-xapian-index crashed with OSError in getmtime(): [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/share/app-install/desktop/metamorphose2.desktop'" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752195 [15:12] updated search-bugs to search all of ubuntu bug reports if the package is ubuntu, then searching and modified apport-package bug reports as duplicates, bug pattern writing for foreign language package is already installed and configured bug reports [15:12] wrote a launchpadlib script to check all fixed bugs about a package for similar bug reports, grab-attachments modification to accept --tag 'apport- package', udd database querying to find similar bugs about a package in ubuntu and debian [15:12] apport uploads fixing ubiquity source package hook, collecting upstart override files (bug 803977), collecting modified conffiles, checking VarLogDistupgradeApttermlog for bug patterns, fixing kernel-driver tagging of kernel oopses [15:12] Launchpad bug 803977 in apport (Ubuntu) "Add hook to attach Upstart override files" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803977 [15:13] phone call with jose plans regarding L3 support, email to ubuntu-devel and bugsquad regarding conffiles and upstart overrides [15:13] done [15:14] cool. Any question? [15:15] apparently not [15:15] [TOPIC] Oneiric bugs [15:15] New Topic: Oneiric bugs [15:16] bdmurray: anything? [15:16] So just a couple have shown up this past week [15:16] bug 814331 [15:16] Launchpad bug 814331 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[Oneiric] update-manager installs packages without authentication" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/814331 [15:16] mvo: I haven't tested that one myself yet [15:17] bdmurray: this is probably releated to the upload that pitti did for policykit/aptdaemon, upgrades can now be done without authentication [15:17] mvo: that was intended? [15:17] mvo: without authentication for anyone in the admin group, right? [15:17] yes [15:17] correct, admin group [15:18] ah, that's good to know [15:18] I guess we should have annonced it a bit more [15:18] the other bug isn't a oneiric one but bug 813468 [15:18] Launchpad bug 813468 in update-manager (Ubuntu Lucid) "Panel indicators not updated correctly after upgrade from Hardy to Lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/813468 [15:19] mvo: yes probably [15:20] hm, I'm not sure this bug is update-manager land, I mean, that is a user session [15:20] bdmurray: hmm, why is that one assigned to update-manager? is it update-manager that updates the gconf config on desktop upgrade? [15:20] let me ask the desktop guys [15:21] stgraber: ah, yes I'd just found that this morning [15:22] 15:21 < seb128> mvo, it's one of those old gnome-panels bugs which are there since warty that nobody will ever fix in the old codebase and which are fixed in GNOME3 [15:22] in case everyone isn't in -desktop :) [15:23] anything else for bugs? [15:23] nope that's it [15:23] [TOPIC] AOB [15:23] New Topic: AOB [15:24] stgraber: maybe you could merge https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/ubuntu/oneiric/apport/kernel-driver-tagging-improvement/+merge/69109 when you are piloting? [15:24] bdmurray: will do [15:25] thanks [15:27] ok, I guess that's it then [15:27] #endmeeting [15:27] Meeting finished at 10:27. [15:27] thanks everyone! [15:27] thanks stgraber! [15:27] thanks [15:30] thanks === cypher is now known as czajkowski [17:01] hello all [17:02] I don't see jibel online, so I will volunteer run the QA meeting today [17:03] ready to start? [17:03] #startmeeting [17:03] Meeting started at 12:03. The chair is patrickmw. [17:03] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:04] Previous Actions (all) [17:04] Community Efforts/Testing [17:04] Automated/Systems Testing [17:04] Engineering Team Bug Status [17:04] Other Topics [17:04] Chair Selection [17:04] any previous actions? [17:05] it's quiet. am I early?? [17:06] im here, but i'm just observing [17:06] [TOPIC] Community Efforts/Testing [17:06] New Topic: Community Efforts/Testing [17:06] pedro_? [17:07] that sort of jibel topic i think [17:07] just curious if you had a bug day announcement :) [17:07] sorry bout that [17:08] oh yes i have [17:08] we're going to have a bug day for compiz tomorrow [17:08] specially dedicated for polishing it a bit more for Oneiric [17:08] so if you're using Oneiric with Unity 3d, please join us tomorrow the whole day your timezone [17:09] as always we're going to hang out at #ubuntu-bugs [17:09] and as you can see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20110728 [17:09] people already started to work on it, but don't worry there's still a lot of bug reports waiting to be triaged so if you have time remember we'd love to have some extra help :-) [17:09] .. [17:10] thanks for the update [17:10] [Automated/Systems Testing] [17:10] boo [17:10] [TOPIC] Automated/Systems Testing [17:10] New Topic: Automated/Systems Testing [17:10] lots today [17:10] = Upgrade Testing = [17:10] * All upgrade profiles for Oneiric are now running in a compact job [17:10] * Thanks to mvo for migrating his work and creating documentation! [17:10] = Kernel SRU = [17:10] * Branches being locally tested now and will be proposed for merge today. Changes are for testing Lucid (and prep for all previous releases) [17:10] = New Projects = [17:10] * ipv6 and upstart testing. working with foundations to gather requirements [17:10] * more requests to add packages for CI \o/ [17:10] * start planning for ltsp test automation \o/ \o/ [17:11] = QA Lab = [17:11] * wazn and albali hw are being upgraded today. testing will be suspended until they are back online. [17:11] * qa lab backup stategy in progress [17:11] Announcing new testing mailing list: ubuntu-testing-notifications@lists.ubuntu.com [17:11] The notifications are sent from Jenkins for failing or unstable jobs. Only a few jobs are sending notifications at this time, but this will increase as we add more. [17:11] Questions? [17:12] [TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status [17:12] New Topic: Engineering Team Bug Status [17:12] pedro_? [17:12] then could you please appoint the next presenter :) [17:13] sure, so i've pushed the code for the desktop report to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-defect-analysts [17:13] so the other teams can use it if they think it works fine for them [17:15] not much to share besides that and the bug day [17:15] .. [17:15] Ursinha, bdmurray anything to share? [17:15] pedro_: oh yes [17:16] base-files upload regarding motd and conffiles (bug 813282), apt-xapian-index fix for bug 752195 [17:16] Launchpad bug 813282 in base-files (Ubuntu) "base-files: /etc/update-motd.d/* should be conffiles" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/813282 [17:16] Launchpad bug 752195 in apt-xapian-index (Ubuntu) "update-apt-xapian-index crashed with OSError in getmtime(): [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/share/app-install/desktop/metamorphose2.desktop'" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752195 [17:16] updated search-bugs to search all of ubuntu bug reports if the package is ubuntu, then searching and modified apport-package bug reports as duplicates, bug pattern writing for foreign language package is already installed and configured bug reports [17:16] wrote a launchpadlib script to check all fixed bugs about a package for similar bug reports, grab-attachments modification to accept --tag 'apport- package', udd database querying to find similar bugs about a package in ubuntu and debian [17:16] apport uploads fixing ubiquity source package hook, collecting upstart override files (bug 803977), collecting modified conffiles, checking VarLogDistupgradeApttermlog for bug patterns, fixing kernel-driver tagging of kernel oopses [17:16] Launchpad bug 803977 in apport (Ubuntu) "Add hook to attach Upstart override files" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803977 [17:17] and I sent email notifications about the overrides and conffiles changes to apport [17:17] those should be quite interesting [17:17] that's that [17:18] Ursinha? [17:20] [TOPIC] Other Topics [17:20] New Topic: Other Topics [17:20] open floor [17:21] [TOPIC] Chair Auto-Selection - jibel :) [17:21] New Topic: Chair Auto-Selection - jibel :) [17:21] lol [17:21] #endmeeting [17:21] Meeting finished at 12:21. [17:21] have a good day all! [17:21] thank you for chairing patrickmw [17:21] my pleasure [17:34] oops [17:34] I meant to bring up something [17:35] patrickmw: ^^ [17:35] should I just discuss in #ubuntu-quality or #ubuntu-testing [17:36] micahg, quality [17:36] k, joining [17:47] sorry people, notification fail here [19:00] anyone around for the Edubuntu meeting? [19:00] Hey there :) [19:01] hey alkisg [19:02] I'll go ahead and give a summary of some testing I did... [19:02] * As of todays daily build, gnome fallback mode has menus again [19:02] * sabayon crashes at startup [19:02] * stgraber waves [19:02] * pessulus settings doesn't get applied (I guess because those settings are now in dconf instead of gconf) [19:03] * nanny crashes on startup [19:03] * italc seems to work ok but I'll do some further testing to be sure [19:03] Is that the second version? Or still 1.x? [19:03] * edubuntu menueditor seems to work as well, but I'll ask mgariepy to test some more when he's back from holiday [19:04] italc? it's 1.0.13 [19:05] there doesn't seem to be a newer release yet [19:05] Ah yeah the second is still too beta to be included in any distro [19:06] I was considering maintaining the breathe icon theme, but it's fallen behind so much already that I don't think it's really worth while [19:06] I think for oneiric it's probably best to stick with the default ubuntu icon theme [19:07] * alkisg was always fond of using the default ubuntu icons [19:07] (either that, or if somoene has the time package another icon theme that's as solid) [19:08] I think we should include gnome-tweak-tool as well [19:08] it allows users to change GTK theme, icon theme and what controls should be included in the title bar [19:09] oh and also fonts and what actions should happen when laptop lids are closed [19:09] I find gnome upstream's decisions really weird and difficult to understand :) [19:09] Hehe [19:10] Is that only for the current user (controls etc)? Or also system-wide? [19:10] for sabayon, pessulus and nanny (which are all upstream gnome and doesn't work anymore) we'll either have to fix them or remove them from the seeds [19:10] alkisg: gnome-tweak-tool? it's for the user [19:11] OK, would be handy for the students [19:12] I guess pessulus could do with a rewrite anyway. it gets kind of complicated deciding how something should be implemented when it should've been done upstream anyway. [19:13] well that's all I have to report/vent about. [19:14] anything stgraber and alkisg? [19:14] Nothing from me, thanks for the update [19:14] my pleasure. [19:18] nope [19:19] feature freeze is less than a month away [19:19] well, actually just two weeks away [19:21] wow that snuck up really fast. I guess we'll need a proper configuration plan for oneiric+1. fixing nanny+sabayon+pessulus (as in, rewriting big parts of it or entirely) for oneiric sounds like a tall order [19:22] yeah, as I said in person earlier, I'd really like us to focus on getting our Edubuntu WIs done before starting messing with upstream stuff :) [19:22] *nod* [19:22] Wls? [19:22] it's not like we really have spare resources or too much free time :) [19:22] alkisg: work items [19:22] Work Items [19:22] Ah [19:22] Indeed, and sabayon is too much job for maintaining... gnome changes too much [19:23] alkisg: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-edubuntu.html [19:23]