[11:05] <poolie> hi all
[11:05] <poolie> udd meeting?
[11:31] <james_w> hi poolie
[11:31] <poolie> hi james_w
[12:00] <barry> #startmeeting
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[12:00] <barry> hi folks.  i think we may have had a time snafu, but is anybody around for the udd stakeholders meeting today?
[12:01] <james_w> hi
[12:02] <barry> hi james_w, i know poolie was around a bit ago
[12:02] <poolie> oh hi
[12:02] <poolie> i'm here
[12:03] <barry> hi.  any word from jam, vila, jelmer, riddell?
[12:04] <barry> btw, while we're waiting did anybody see the article on git linked from /. today?  once again bzr gets shorted.  /me resolves to write his "why bzr rocks" article
[12:05] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[12:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[12:05] <barry> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110727
[12:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110727
[12:05] <jelmer> hi
[12:05] <barry> hi jelmer
[12:06] <barry> i guess we should just jump in then...
[12:06] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[12:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[12:06] <barry>    * jelmer to study the feasibility of merge helper ([[https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-builddeb/+bug/608675|bug 608675]]) as an intermediate step for quilt support
[12:06] <barry>  
[12:07] <jelmer> jam and i are goibg to pair on that when he gets back from holiday
[12:07] <barry> awesome
[12:07] <barry>    * jelmer to look into [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/609187|bug 609187]] (warn when package import is out of date)
[12:07] <barry>  
[12:08] <barry> i think the new bzr.dev feature addresses this, right?  oh, and it's awesome
[12:08] <poolie> yes, john fixed it, and it is great
[12:08] <poolie> it also starts a new much faster lp api client
[12:08] <poolie> currently covering one api point i think :)
[12:09] <barry> :)  yes, it's really great.  any thoughts on back porting this feature to released bzr?
[12:09] <poolie> yes, that should be pretty easy
[12:09] <poolie> i think it was done based off an old branch
[12:09] <poolie> i had some concern about whether it would be seen as in the spirit of srus
[12:09] <poolie> it probably is ok though
[12:09] <poolie> certainly a welcome feature
[12:09] <poolie> shall we put it in everything back to lucid?
[12:10] <barry> i can understand the hesitation to sru a new feature, but this one really is a significant help to udd packagers, so i'd vote for "yes"
[12:10] <jelmer> me too
[12:11] <jelmer> though how many packagers are on lucid?
[12:11] <barry> jelmer: that's a good point, probably not many.  but i'd say definitely sru to natty
[12:11] <poolie> i guess they may well be running it within a chroot or on a vm
[12:11] <barry> at least
[12:11] <poolie> or on a canonical dc machine ofr that matter
[12:12] <poolie> i'll add a note on the bug
[12:13] <barry> thanks.  we should also update the new packaging guide, because it will really simplify things.  is Riddell up for that?  if not, i can do it (once it lands in natty and oneiric at least)
[12:13] <poolie> yes, he's been doing a lot of work on it
[12:13] <poolie> i don't know if he's here right now
[12:13] <poolie> we should mention it
[12:14] <barry> he's been doing *fantastic* work on the guide (i've reviewed a bunch of his branches).  i'll take an action to coordinate with him
[12:14] <barry> [ACTION] barry to coordinate w/Riddell about updating the guide for bug 609187 feature
[12:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  barry to coordinate w/Riddell about updating the guide for bug 609187 feature
[12:14] <barry>    * jelmer to post summary of user visible changes with lp rollout
[12:14] <barry>  
[12:15] <barry>    * jelmer to post feature summary about inline diffs
[12:15] <barry>  
[12:15] <barry> jelmer: do you remember these?
[12:15] <jelmer> I dont remember these
[12:15] <poolie> he's only intermittently connected
[12:16] <poolie> i think really we can put this on mrevell who does blog.l.n
[12:16] <poolie> but, perhaps we want to share it with ubuntu-devel or something?
[12:16] <jelmer> I was only a bit involved with them
[12:17] <barry> poolie: do you think we need to do anything special or will the normal lp feature rollout announcement machinery take care of it? ;)
[12:17] <poolie> i don't think we should do anything special
[12:17] <barry> cool.
[12:17] <poolie> i think the announcements will get at least onto planet ubuntu
[12:17] <jelmer> yeah, they do
[12:17] <barry>    * riddell to update udd docs to use {{{bzr tag}}} instead of {{{bzr mark-uploaded}}}
[12:17] <barry>  
[12:18] <barry> i think that's done
[12:18] <barry> [TOPIC] package importer progress
[12:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  package importer progress
[12:18] <poolie> ok
[12:18] <poolie> so, some progress there
[12:19] <poolie> we deployed a new bzr which fixed some things but had some bad fallout
[12:19] <poolie> so we're now back on 2.3.4
[12:19] <poolie> ithink it's at about 430 failures
[12:20] <barry> didn't vila fix a bunch of failures, or is that part of what got rolled back?
[12:20] <jelmer> multi tarball suppprt is almost done
[12:20] <poolie> we have fixed several classes of failure
[12:20] <poolie> that's great, thanks
[12:21] <barry> jelmer: nice.  do you have any example packages that use multiple tarballs?
[12:22] <poolie> yes, search for 'multiple' on http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
[12:22] <jelmer> some, but I can always use more
[12:22] <barry> perl :)
[12:23] <barry> so, is the bad fallout from the rollout fixed?  do you expect to see a bzr update on lp again soon?
[12:23] <poolie> ah, ok
[12:24] <poolie> so we did two rollouts, to the udd importer and to launchpad, both of which had some bumps
[12:24] <poolie> i think we will do them again soon, probably within this fortnight
[12:24] <jelmer> I have a mp that is awaiting review that fixes lp
[12:25] <barry> cool
[12:25] <jelmer> we had a postmortem about the lp one (thanks poolie!)
[12:26] <barry> anything else on the importer?
[12:27] <barry> [TOPIC] bugs of interest
[12:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  bugs of interest
[12:27] <barry> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html
[12:27] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html
[12:27] <jelmer> not from me
[12:27] <poolie> oh, one new thing, which is bit.ly/ubuntu-vcs-job
[12:27] <poolie> looking for someone great to join in working on this
[12:27] <poolie> please think of someone who might be interested, and point them to that, or circulate that url
[12:27] <barry> yep, i've been socially mediating it :)
[12:28] <poolie> thanks
[12:28]  * barry is always impressed at the progress evident in the kanban
[12:29] <Riddell> hi, sorry I'm late
[12:29] <barry> it's great to see more released/needs release than queued/inprogress/needs review :)
[12:29] <barry> hi Riddell no worries.  you might want to read the scollback
[12:30] <barry> poolie, jelmer anything in particular you want to point out about the kanban?
[12:30] <poolie> i got a few personal bugs sorted out which was nice
[12:30] <poolie> jelmer are the colo branch url things tolerably unblocked?
[12:31] <poolie> oh, lp is making some codehost deployment changes that should put it behind an haproxy
[12:31] <poolie> which should make it more stable, especially during upgrades
[12:31] <poolie> and also, safely let us test jam's faster-connection-startup patch
[12:31] <poolie> which when it works should take something like 1s off the start of a connection
[12:31] <barry> nice
[12:32] <poolie> i think we're about done
[12:32] <barry> [TOPIC] aob
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[12:33] <barry> poolie: just one from me.  can you double check the gcal meeting time?  i'm good for meeting in 2 weeks at 1200 utc, but if people will be disappearing for vacation, we can skip 2 weeks from now
[12:33] <Riddell> I need to set a better meeting reminder, this meeting happens just as I go for lunch :(
[12:34] <poolie> i think bzr people are tending to be away now, rather
[12:34] <jelmer> poolie: yes, colocated is unblocked
[12:35] <barry> poolie: why don't we just cancel the august meetings and come back in september (i.e. sept 7th)?  or is that too much of a gap?
[12:36] <poolie> i think that's ok
[12:36] <poolie> ok
[12:36] <poolie> i cannot persuade gcal to change the time
[12:36] <poolie> :/
[12:36] <barry> cool, resolved then. :)
[12:36] <barry> grrr.  ;)
[12:36] <poolie> so that's the 7th of september then?
[12:37] <barry> poolie: yep.  i'm also happy to do it at 1100utc come september
[12:37] <poolie> could you be so kind as to send minutes with this right at the top?
[12:37] <barry> poolie: will do
[12:38] <poolie> ok
[12:38] <poolie> it's late here; i might go
[12:38] <barry> unless there's anything else, i think we're done...
[12:38] <barry> #endmeeting
[12:38] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 07:38.
[12:38] <barry> thanks everyone!
[12:40] <jelmer> thanks barry
[15:00]  * stgraber waves
[15:00]  * bdmurray waves
[15:00]  * barry silently twitches
[15:00] <stgraber> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is stgraber.
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[15:00] <ev> hiya
[15:01] <mvo> hi
[15:01] <stgraber> so, unless I missed something, we're missing cjwatson, jhunt_ and slangasek today?
[15:02] <stgraber> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning round
[15:02] <stgraber> $ echo $(shuf -e barry bdmurray ev doko mvo stgraber)
[15:02] <stgraber> doko barry mvo stgraber ev bdmurray
[15:02] <stgraber> though doko doesn't seem to be around either
[15:02] <ev> they're at debconf
[15:02] <stgraber> barry: you're up!
[15:02] <barry> in that case...
[15:02] <barry> more bug 788514 (libapache2-mod-python, python-gnupginterface, python-gtkspell, python-ibus, ibus-pinyin, ibus-table, python-liblouis, python-notify, papyon); developer experience cop; mm3 authentication meeting; ubuntu-packaging-guide reviews; various work on lucid lts ppa; udd meetings. done.
[15:02] <barry>  
[15:03] <mvo> did:
[15:03] <mvo> software-center: add toprated sort/keymaker/UI, add utils/show_top_rated_for_various_powers.py, work on gtk3/GI version of purchase/available-for-me, write more tests, code refactor, move AppEnquire into generic db space, make a gobject, add query-complete signal, pyflake fixes, review/merge top-rated branch from axp2, work on tests for the new nav history
[15:03] <mvo> update-manager: review/merge lp:~mterry/update-manager/813778 (thanks mterry!), review/merge lp:~rodrigo-moya/update-manager/use-new-power-interface, lp:~evfool/update-manager/shortinterval, lp:~evfool/update-manager/sortpackages, debug/fix resize issue (#812949), cleanup
[15:03] <mvo> apt: fix cdrom mount path problem for good and add DeEscapeString() function (with tests) to libapt, merge from debian-sid, test/upload new version to oneiric
[15:03] <mvo> software-properties: fix SetUpdateInterval() to use the dbus backend and upload new version, fix cdrom support
[15:03] <mvo> apt-xapian-index: merge from debian, apply patch from brian murray (#752195)
[15:03] <mvo> apturl: add aptdaemon backend and port to gtk3
[15:03] <mvo> gdebi: fix resize issue
[15:03] <mvo> auto-upgrade-tester: debug rootfs find failure, cherry pick fix for grub, add (optional) jenkins slave, deploy jenkins slave in QA lab, add jenkins configuration matrix
[15:03] <mvo> EOF
[15:04] <stgraber> DONE: - tpm stuff: Reproduced a bug in opencryptoki on Natty. Bugfix got uploaded to Oneiric but can't be tested. Now trying to get TPM support working on Oneiric... - multipath: Spent a good part of Monday and yesterday playing with the SAN in Montreal to test a multipath-tools bugfix. (bug 690387)
[15:04] <stgraber>  - IPv6: Helped cyphermox est some more network-manager packages until all the tests finally passed. B.logged about the state of things and asked for some more community testing: http://www.stgraber.org/2011/07/26/state-of-ipv6-in-ubuntu-oneiric/ - Daily builds: LTSP (all of the packages) and LXC now have daily builds working - LTSP: Worked a bit on implementing support for new nbd-server, needs some more work. (bug 806419)
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Arkose: Got a woring DBUS proxy yesterday, code is here: lp:~arkose-devel/avrkose/dbus-proxy
[15:04] <stgraber> TODO for this week: - Patch pilot this afternoon - Try to get tpm-tools to build on Oneiric (ideally with the latest upstream release) - Convince the SAN in Montreal to do multipath so I can actually test the SRU :) - Cleanup arkose's dbus-proxy code, implement blacklisting/whitelisting and integrate into the arkose code. - Fix LTSP so that it works for alpha-3
[15:05] <stgraber> copy/paste really hates me... irssi says I'm pasting 13 lines and it ends up on just 4...
[15:05] <stgraber> readable version is at: http://paste.ubuntu.com/653167/ :)
[15:05] <stgraber> Oh, and bought myself a used SAN on ebay with plenty of storage for close to nothing ;) should arrive this week/next so I have more storage here and can use it for multipath testing.
[15:05] <stgraber> (done)
[15:06] <mvo> SAN> woah!
[15:06] <stgraber> hehe
[15:06] <stgraber> 2.3TB of 10k RPM storage on fiber channel, that's going to be fun!
[15:06] <barry> wow!
[15:07] <stgraber> that was for around $700-800 shipping included (from California) ;)
[15:07] <stgraber> just the disks are worth more than that :)
[15:08] <stgraber> ev: ?
[15:08] <ev> - Fixed unicode issues on the keyboard page for the PyGI branch.
[15:08] <ev> - Sorted my travel arrangements for Linux Plumbers.
[15:08] <ev> - More PyGI work:
[15:08] <ev>   - Fixed the GtkBuilder UI for the user setup page, which was all sorts of
[15:08] <ev>     broken.
[15:08] <ev>   - Hostname collision detection.
[15:08] <ev>   - Unit tests for the user setup page.
[15:08] <ev> - Wubi disk image integration work.
[15:08] <ev> - Looked into creating a Wubi unit test harness.  Stopped for now, will review
[15:08] <ev>   come feature freeze.
[15:08] <ev> - Bootloader work in the Wubi disk image stuff.
[15:08] <ev> - Looking into various places to save space in the compressed Wubi executable,
[15:08] <ev>   since I'm adding a moderate amount of space to it with xz support and other
[15:08] <ev>   bits.
[15:08] <ev> - Reviewed the designs for the installer slideshow.
[15:08] <ev> - Investigated jasper and oem-config, but ultimately went with a pure
[15:10] <bdmurray> ev: is there more?
[15:11] <ev> bdmurray: did it get cut off?
[15:11] <bdmurray> stopped at pure
[15:11] <ev> god I hate IRC
[15:11] <ev>   lupin initramfs solution for firstboot.
[15:11] <ev> - Worked on the initramfs code for Wubi firstboot.  All done now.
[15:11] <ev> - Reviewed the advanced partitioner specification with Matthew.
[15:11] <ev> - Fixes to live-build, lupin, and livecd-rootfs for Wubi.
[15:11] <ev> - Looked into live resizing the ext3 disk image should it run out of disk
[15:11] <stgraber> hehe, for once I'm not the only one having copy/paste issues ;)
[15:11] <ev>   space.
[15:11] <ev> - Looking into loading the slideshow from MFC and Python using ctypes.
[15:11] <ev> (done)
[15:12] <bdmurray> consolidation of duplicate dpkg bug reports, apt-xapian-index bug triage, grub2 bug triage, wrote code to tag dist-upgrade bug reports and tagging  them dist-upgrade, moving of linux apport-package bug reports to grub2
[15:12] <bdmurray> base-files upload regarding motd and conffiles (bug 813282), apt-xapian-index fix for bug 752195
[15:12] <bdmurray> updated search-bugs to search all of ubuntu bug reports if the package is ubuntu, then searching and modified apport-package bug reports as         duplicates, bug pattern writing for foreign language package is already installed and configured bug reports
[15:12] <bdmurray> wrote a launchpadlib script to check all fixed bugs about a package for similar bug reports, grab-attachments modification to accept --tag 'apport- package', udd database querying to find similar bugs about a package in ubuntu and debian
[15:12] <bdmurray> apport uploads fixing ubiquity source package hook, collecting upstart override files (bug 803977), collecting modified conffiles, checking         VarLogDistupgradeApttermlog for bug patterns, fixing kernel-driver tagging of kernel oopses
[15:13] <bdmurray> phone call with jose plans regarding L3 support, email to ubuntu-devel and bugsquad regarding conffiles and upstart overrides
[15:13] <bdmurray> done
[15:14] <stgraber> cool. Any question?
[15:15] <stgraber> apparently not
[15:15] <stgraber> [TOPIC] Oneiric bugs
[15:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oneiric bugs
[15:16] <stgraber> bdmurray: anything?
[15:16] <bdmurray> So just a couple have shown up this past week
[15:16] <bdmurray> bug 814331
[15:16] <bdmurray> mvo: I haven't tested that one myself yet
[15:17] <mvo> bdmurray: this is probably releated to the upload that pitti did for policykit/aptdaemon, upgrades can now be done without authentication
[15:17] <bdmurray> mvo: that was intended?
[15:17] <stgraber> mvo: without authentication for anyone in the admin group, right?
[15:17] <mvo> yes
[15:17] <mvo> correct, admin group
[15:18] <bdmurray> ah, that's good to know
[15:18] <mvo> I guess we should have annonced it a bit more
[15:18] <bdmurray> the other bug isn't a oneiric one but bug 813468
[15:19] <bdmurray> mvo: yes probably
[15:20] <mvo> hm, I'm not sure this bug is update-manager land, I mean, that is a user session
[15:20] <stgraber> bdmurray: hmm, why is that one assigned to update-manager? is it update-manager that updates the gconf config on desktop upgrade?
[15:20] <mvo> let me ask the desktop guys
[15:21] <bdmurray> stgraber: ah, yes I'd just found that this morning
[15:22] <stgraber> 15:21 < seb128> mvo, it's one of those old gnome-panels bugs which are there since warty that nobody will ever fix in the old codebase and which are fixed in  GNOME3
[15:22] <stgraber> in case everyone isn't in -desktop :)
[15:23] <stgraber> anything else for bugs?
[15:23] <bdmurray> nope that's it
[15:23] <stgraber> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[15:24] <bdmurray> stgraber: maybe you could merge https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/ubuntu/oneiric/apport/kernel-driver-tagging-improvement/+merge/69109 when you are piloting?
[15:24] <stgraber> bdmurray: will do
[15:25] <bdmurray> thanks
[15:27] <stgraber> ok, I guess that's it then
[15:27] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[15:27] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:27.
[15:27] <stgraber> thanks everyone!
[15:27] <barry> thanks stgraber!
[15:27] <mvo> thanks
[15:30] <ev> thanks
[17:01] <patrickmw> hello all
[17:02] <patrickmw> I don't see jibel online, so I will volunteer run the QA meeting today
[17:03] <patrickmw> ready to start?
[17:03] <patrickmw> #startmeeting
[17:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:03. The chair is patrickmw.
[17:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:04] <patrickmw> Previous Actions (all)
[17:04] <patrickmw> Community Efforts/Testing
[17:04] <patrickmw> Automated/Systems Testing
[17:04] <patrickmw> Engineering Team Bug Status
[17:04] <patrickmw> Other Topics
[17:04] <patrickmw> Chair Selection
[17:04] <patrickmw> any previous actions?
[17:05] <patrickmw> it's quiet. am I early??
[17:06] <afleck> im here, but i'm just observing
[17:06] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Community Efforts/Testing
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Community Efforts/Testing
[17:06] <patrickmw> pedro_?
[17:07] <pedro_> that sort of jibel topic i think
[17:07] <patrickmw> just curious if you had a bug day announcement :)
[17:07] <patrickmw> sorry bout that
[17:08] <pedro_> oh yes i have
[17:08] <pedro_> we're going to have a bug day for compiz tomorrow
[17:08] <pedro_> specially dedicated for polishing it a bit more for Oneiric
[17:08] <pedro_> so if you're using Oneiric with Unity 3d, please join us tomorrow the whole day your timezone
[17:09] <pedro_> as always we're going to hang out at #ubuntu-bugs
[17:09] <pedro_> and as you can see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20110728
[17:09] <pedro_> people already started to work on it, but don't worry there's still a lot of bug reports waiting to be triaged so if you have time remember we'd love to have some extra help :-)
[17:09] <pedro_> ..
[17:10] <patrickmw> thanks for the update
[17:10] <patrickmw> [Automated/Systems Testing]
[17:10] <patrickmw> boo
[17:10] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Automated/Systems Testing
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Automated/Systems Testing
[17:10] <patrickmw> lots today
[17:10] <patrickmw> = Upgrade Testing =
[17:10] <patrickmw> * All upgrade profiles for Oneiric are now running in a compact job
[17:10] <patrickmw> * Thanks to mvo for migrating his work and creating documentation!
[17:10] <patrickmw> = Kernel SRU =
[17:10] <patrickmw> * Branches being locally tested now and will be proposed for merge today. Changes are for testing Lucid (and prep for all previous releases)
[17:10] <patrickmw> = New Projects =
[17:10] <patrickmw> * ipv6 and upstart testing.  working with foundations to gather requirements
[17:10] <patrickmw> * more requests to add packages for CI \o/
[17:10] <patrickmw> * start planning for ltsp test automation \o/ \o/
[17:11] <patrickmw> = QA Lab =
[17:11] <patrickmw> * wazn and albali hw are being upgraded today.  testing will be suspended until they are back online.
[17:11] <patrickmw> * qa lab backup stategy in progress
[17:11] <patrickmw> Announcing new testing mailing list: ubuntu-testing-notifications@lists.ubuntu.com
[17:11] <patrickmw> The notifications are sent from Jenkins for failing or unstable jobs.  Only a few jobs are sending notifications at this time, but this will increase as we add more.
[17:11] <patrickmw> Questions?
[17:12] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Engineering Team Bug Status
[17:12] <patrickmw> pedro_?
[17:12] <patrickmw> then could you please appoint the next presenter :)
[17:13] <pedro_> sure, so i've pushed the code for the desktop report to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-defect-analysts
[17:13] <pedro_> so the other teams can use it if they think it works fine for them
[17:15] <pedro_> not much to share besides that and the bug day
[17:15] <pedro_> ..
[17:15] <pedro_> Ursinha, bdmurray anything to share?
[17:15] <bdmurray> pedro_: oh yes
[17:16] <bdmurray> base-files upload regarding motd and conffiles (bug 813282), apt-xapian-index fix for bug 752195
[17:16] <bdmurray> updated search-bugs to search all of ubuntu bug reports if the package is ubuntu, then searching and modified apport-package bug reports as         duplicates, bug pattern writing for foreign language package is already installed and configured bug reports
[17:16] <bdmurray> wrote a launchpadlib script to check all fixed bugs about a package for similar bug reports, grab-attachments modification to accept --tag 'apport- package', udd database querying to find similar bugs about a package in ubuntu and debian
[17:16] <bdmurray> apport uploads fixing ubiquity source package hook, collecting upstart override files (bug 803977), collecting modified conffiles, checking         VarLogDistupgradeApttermlog for bug patterns, fixing kernel-driver tagging of kernel oopses
[17:17] <bdmurray> and I sent email notifications about the overrides and conffiles changes to apport
[17:17] <bdmurray> those should be quite interesting
[17:17] <bdmurray> that's that
[17:18] <patrickmw> Ursinha?
[17:20] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Other Topics
[17:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Topics
[17:20] <patrickmw> open floor
[17:21] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Chair Auto-Selection - jibel :)
[17:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Chair Auto-Selection - jibel :)
[17:21] <pedro_> lol
[17:21] <patrickmw> #endmeeting
[17:21] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:21.
[17:21] <patrickmw> have a good day all!
[17:21] <pedro_> thank you for chairing patrickmw
[17:21] <patrickmw> my pleasure
[17:34] <micahg> oops
[17:34] <micahg> I meant to bring up something
[17:35] <micahg> patrickmw: ^^
[17:35] <micahg> should I just discuss in #ubuntu-quality or #ubuntu-testing
[17:36] <patrickmw> micahg, quality
[17:36] <micahg> k, joining
[17:47] <Ursinha> sorry people, notification fail here
[19:00] <highvoltage> anyone around for the Edubuntu meeting?
[19:00] <alkisg> Hey there :)
[19:01] <highvoltage> hey alkisg
[19:02] <highvoltage> I'll go ahead and give a summary of some testing I did...
[19:02] <highvoltage>  * As of todays daily build, gnome fallback mode has menus again
[19:02] <highvoltage>  * sabayon crashes at startup
[19:02]  * stgraber waves
[19:02] <highvoltage>  * pessulus settings doesn't get applied (I guess because those settings are now in dconf instead of gconf)
[19:03] <highvoltage>  * nanny crashes on startup
[19:03] <highvoltage>  * italc seems to work ok but I'll do some further testing to be sure
[19:03] <alkisg> Is that the second version? Or still 1.x?
[19:03] <highvoltage>  * edubuntu menueditor seems to work as well, but I'll ask mgariepy to test some more when he's back from holiday
[19:04] <highvoltage> italc? it's 1.0.13
[19:05] <highvoltage> there doesn't seem to be a newer release yet
[19:05] <alkisg> Ah yeah the second is still too beta to be included in any distro
[19:06] <highvoltage> I was considering maintaining the breathe icon theme, but it's fallen behind so much already that I don't think it's really worth while
[19:06] <highvoltage> I think for oneiric it's probably best to stick with the default ubuntu icon theme
[19:07]  * alkisg was always fond of using the default ubuntu icons
[19:07] <highvoltage> (either that, or if somoene has the time package another icon theme that's as solid)
[19:08] <highvoltage> I think we should include gnome-tweak-tool as well
[19:08] <highvoltage> it allows users to change GTK theme, icon theme and what controls should be included in the title bar
[19:09] <highvoltage> oh and also fonts and what actions should happen when laptop lids are closed
[19:09] <highvoltage> I find gnome upstream's decisions really weird and difficult to understand :)
[19:09] <alkisg> Hehe
[19:10] <alkisg> Is that only for the current user (controls etc)? Or also system-wide?
[19:10] <highvoltage> for sabayon, pessulus and nanny (which are all upstream gnome and doesn't work anymore) we'll either have to fix them or remove them from the seeds
[19:10] <highvoltage> alkisg: gnome-tweak-tool? it's for the user
[19:11] <alkisg> OK, would be handy for the students
[19:12] <highvoltage> I guess pessulus could do with a rewrite anyway. it gets kind of complicated deciding how something should be implemented when it should've been done upstream anyway.
[19:13] <highvoltage> well that's all I have to report/vent about.
[19:14] <highvoltage> anything stgraber and alkisg?
[19:14] <alkisg> Nothing from me, thanks for the update
[19:14] <highvoltage> my pleasure.
[19:18] <stgraber> nope
[19:19] <stgraber> feature freeze is less than a month away
[19:19] <stgraber> well, actually just two weeks away
[19:21] <highvoltage> wow that snuck up really fast. I guess we'll need a proper configuration plan for oneiric+1. fixing nanny+sabayon+pessulus (as in, rewriting big parts of it or entirely) for oneiric sounds like a tall order
[19:22] <stgraber> yeah, as I said in person earlier, I'd really like us to focus on getting our Edubuntu WIs done before starting messing with upstream stuff :)
[19:22] <highvoltage> *nod*
[19:22] <alkisg> Wls?
[19:22] <stgraber> it's not like we really have spare resources or too much free time :)
[19:22] <stgraber> alkisg: work items
[19:22] <highvoltage> Work Items
[19:22] <alkisg> Ah
[19:22] <alkisg> Indeed, and sabayon is too much job for maintaining... gnome changes too much
[19:23] <stgraber> alkisg: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-edubuntu.html
[19:23] <highvoltage> stgraber: do you know whether the ubuntu desktop team is planning to stay with the system settings tool or do the ubuntu control center for future releases?
[19:23] <highvoltage> (I guess no one can really say for sure yet)
[19:24] <stgraber> no idea
[19:24] <alkisg> Cool work items list - from next year I hope i can do a good part of the then-WIs
[19:25] <highvoltage> what we should do is make a list of all the features we need, how it worked before, how we think it should ideally work and then ask the desktop team for some feedback.
[19:26] <highvoltage> at least unity doesn't need much lockdown :)
[19:26] <stgraber> hehe
[19:37] <highvoltage> stgraber: LTSP is currently broken too because it tries to load ramzswap which seems broken atm
[19:38] <stgraber> highvoltage: nah, that's not the problem. that thing won't break your boot. nbd-server rejecting the connect is
[19:38] <stgraber> *connection
[19:39] <stgraber> bug 806419
[19:39] <highvoltage> does that have something to do with the new nbd settings that aren't per port anymore?
[19:39] <stgraber> yep
[19:39] <stgraber> that's why I'm fixing it ;)
[19:39] <highvoltage> great. so that's at least 2 edubuntu related bugs you'll be fixing :)
[19:39] <stgraber> I wouldn't update ltsp-update-image/ltsp-update-kernels and half our init scripts just for fun :)
[19:40] <stgraber> the swap thingy I'm not sure I'll fix just now. My current goal is to get ltsp booting again
[19:40] <stgraber> nbdswap and ramzswap can always be fixed later (as in, post-FF or whenever-somebody-who-cares-as-time)
[19:41] <stgraber> *has
[19:41] <highvoltage> I don't like ramzswap anyway
[19:42] <stgraber> compcache was quite ugly, ramzswap is "supposed" to be better.
[19:42] <highvoltage> does it grow only as needed?
[19:42] <stgraber> but yeah, getting rid of the boot time errors would be nice, though once ltsp boots again we should get a splash hidding these
[19:42] <stgraber> no clue, I just know that this one is in the upstream kernel and that it's supposed to be better
[19:43] <alkisg> NBD swap is significant for ltsp, ramswap... not so much