[01:36] one of my partitions seems to have stopped mounting on boot - if I hit 'S' to skip it at the prompt, it mounts fine once I get to the desktop [01:37] can't find anything useful in the logs beyond: boot.log:Skipping /data at user request [01:37] any ideas? [01:37] it's an LVM volume, but the others are happy [01:38] no message on the screen before it asks to skip? [01:38] i forget exactly what it says, but it wasn't very informative [01:38] perhaps I should reboot and note it down [01:38] usually it'd be some timeout message or similar [01:38] it could help [01:38] * ojwb tries [01:39] i thought there was a mount option to background a mount attempt, but I can't see that in the man page [01:39] that would at least work around the issue [01:40] are you mounting any other logical volumes from that partitions volume group? [01:40] just the noauto mount option, which doesn't really help [01:41] hmm [01:41] it worked that time, of course [01:41] of course [01:41] gw everybody [01:41] perhaps it's only when it's a cold boot? [01:41] though it briefly said something like "The disk drive for /data is not ready or [...]" [01:41] I've seen it on warm too [01:41] chrismsnz: probably, let me look [01:44] chrismsnz: yeah, there are 4 volumes to mount, all in the same volume group [01:44] and only /data fails? [01:44] always seem to be that one though, which is the 3rd of the 4 in /etc/fstab [01:44] i've not noticed the others [01:45] I wonder if anything would cause the system to attempt to mount it before root (/) [01:45] so I think it's only ever failed for /data, but I may have missed an instance when it wasn't [01:45] odd, since all volumes in a group should be activated at the same time [01:45] doesn't sound sane, though [01:45] chrismsnz: I think /etc/fstab is processed in order [01:45] it's after / [01:46] perhaps I should put it last! [01:46] which is why I can have /usr/local & /usr/local/extra in /etc/fstab on my home system [01:46] * ajmitch happily ignores the FHS at times [01:46] ojwb: running lucid? [01:47] natty [01:48] there's a few bugs mentioning this problem - none of them fix but all are filed against lucid [01:48] hmm [01:48] i should probably copy the date off and reinstall [01:49] there's not really a good reason to have all those partitions now [01:49] this is the beauty of lvm though :) [01:49] you can just resize your partitions on the fly! [01:49] yeah, I'm not sure I really want LVM in the picture any more [01:51] sorry, misread - this is the *first* lvm partition in fstab [01:51] which makes a little more sense perhaps [01:51] then once I've got around to hitting S, whatever is causing the issue is probably sorted [01:52] is / in the fstab after /data? [01:52] no [01:53] it's /proc / swap cdrom then the lvs [01:54] i've moved the /data lv down one - I'll see if that changes anything [01:55] you'll probably have the first LV fail, but it'll be a different one [01:55] wow unity really does suck with dual screens [01:55] laptop screens [01:55] ibeardslee: yeah :\ [01:55] probably the netbook doesn't have good enough graphics [01:57] the 5102? [01:57] yeap [01:58] you dual screening with that beast? [01:58] just getting ready for using it for a presentation tomorrow [01:59] checking that the thing will actually do it properly [02:00] I don't know what I'm going to run on my X220 [02:00] Unity is terrible with multiple screens.... [02:00] It's running 11.04 at the moment but I want to dock it with an external screen. Maybe I'll have to go xfce or KDE... or Gnome 3 even [02:01] * ajmitch still hasn't really tried kde 4.x yet [02:01] though I'm still mostly using lucid & gnome 2.x rather than unity [02:01] Unity seems to work fine on my dual screen workstation .. at least fine where 'fine' actually has a clear display [02:02] my extra monitor is to my left [02:02] oh joy [02:02] which introduces fail wrt unity's taskbar [02:14] I finally subscribed to the mailing list [02:14] ajmitch: ubuntu-nz list run by ajmitch at ubuntu.com, brenda at catalyst.net.nz [02:14] brenda is no longer there (but I guess you knew that already) :) [02:15] (that's on the screen right after you do a subscribe request) [02:16] chilts: can't say that I knew that :) [02:16] :) [02:16] btw, the mailing list is usually far quieter than IRC [02:16] I know, but I figured I needed to be on it (for no other reason than being on it) :) [02:16] it completes me! [02:17] :) [02:17] oh dear [02:17] hehe [02:17] I know [02:18] it's also been so long that I don't recall the list password, I should probably try & hunt it down to clear out spam [02:18] it's about the only thing it's needed for [02:19] doesn't it only accept mail from subscribers? [02:19] that just means you get a big pile of held spam [02:19] yeah, which is why I can mostly forget about spam :) [02:20] wait, by only accepting mail from subsribers you get a big pile of held spam? that what you meant? [02:20] yep [02:20] doesn't make sense to me, wouldn't it just get rejected right there and then? [02:20] mailman's antispam support is woeful [02:20] :( [02:20] it's a pity I don't have the password in ~/.listadmin.ini [02:20] Sympa seems to do the right thing [02:20] it holds messages from non-subscribers for a short time [02:20] there are several different approaches to handling incoming posts, but none actually seems to do what you'd obviously want [02:21] yeah, I'd say it should just reject emails from non-subscribers immediately [02:21] who knows [02:22] IIRC you can discard or bounce or hold based on content, headers, etc, but not on "comes from a subscriber" [02:23] i've seen the odd spammer subscribe to a list, but that's pretty rare [02:23] strange, that seems like the first thing I'd implement [02:23] I am _SO_ going to get a Zareason laptop next time I buy one [02:24] who's that other company that does specifically Linux ones? [02:24] though I guess there are more than 2 these days :) [02:28] system76? [02:30] ah, that's the one [02:30] * chilts looks again [02:32] oh look at that, found the ubuntu-nz list password :) [02:33] no spam in the queue, so there's no real need for it [02:34] heh, sorry to send you on a wild goose chase [02:34] not to worry, I was meaning to find it awhile ago [02:34] I just had to ssh into my home system & load up the right mailbox, it wasn't hard to find [02:36] ibeardslee: you're still nominally chief, want any changes made? :) [02:57] I thought it was blocked to non-subscribers already [02:57] and which list is it? [02:58] there seems to have been a couple floating around for a while [02:58] ibeardslee: ubuntu-nz@lists.ubuntu.com [02:59] & it is blocked to non-subscribers, so there's not really much to care about [03:01] that's what I thought would make sense ... so it _does_ already do that? [03:02] chilts: right, blocks but holds blocked mail for a short time [03:02] oh, I see [03:02] still, I guess that's better than having to manually do something [03:02] yeah [03:34] I occasionally get emails for people joining the launchpad team [20:02] morning [20:08] morning [20:27] morning [20:30] morning [20:38] morning [21:37] morning