[01:36] <ojwb> one of my partitions seems to have stopped mounting on boot - if I hit 'S' to skip it at the prompt, it mounts fine once I get to the desktop
[01:37] <ojwb> can't find anything useful in the logs beyond: boot.log:Skipping /data at user request
[01:37] <ojwb> any ideas?
[01:37] <ojwb> it's an LVM volume, but the others are happy
[01:38] <ajmitch> no message on the screen before it asks to skip?
[01:38] <ojwb> i forget exactly what it says, but it wasn't very informative
[01:38] <ojwb> perhaps I should reboot and note it down
[01:38] <ajmitch> usually it'd be some timeout message or similar
[01:38] <ajmitch> it could help
[01:38]  * ojwb tries
[01:39] <ojwb> i thought there was a mount option to background a mount attempt, but I can't see that in the man page
[01:39] <ojwb> that would at least work around the issue
[01:40] <chrismsnz> are you mounting any other logical volumes from that partitions volume group?
[01:40] <ajmitch> just the noauto mount option, which doesn't really help
[01:41] <ojwb> hmm
[01:41] <ojwb> it worked that time, of course
[01:41] <ajmitch> of course
[01:41] <chrismsnz> gw everybody
[01:41] <ajmitch> perhaps it's only when it's a cold boot?
[01:41] <ojwb> though it briefly said something like "The disk drive for /data is not ready or [...]"
[01:41] <ojwb> I've seen it on warm too
[01:41] <ojwb> chrismsnz: probably, let me look
[01:44] <ojwb> chrismsnz: yeah, there are 4 volumes to mount, all in the same volume group
[01:44] <chrismsnz> and only /data fails?
[01:44] <ojwb> always seem to be that one though, which is the 3rd of the 4 in /etc/fstab
[01:44] <ojwb> i've not noticed the others
[01:45] <chrismsnz> I wonder if anything would cause the system to attempt to mount it before root (/)
[01:45] <ojwb> so I think it's only ever failed for /data, but I may have missed an instance when it wasn't
[01:45] <ajmitch> odd, since all volumes in a group should be activated at the same time
[01:45] <chrismsnz> doesn't sound sane, though
[01:45] <ajmitch> chrismsnz: I think /etc/fstab is processed in order
[01:45] <ojwb> it's after /
[01:46] <ojwb> perhaps I should put it last!
[01:46] <ajmitch> which is why I can have /usr/local & /usr/local/extra in /etc/fstab on my home system
[01:46]  * ajmitch happily ignores the FHS at times 
[01:46] <chrismsnz> ojwb: running lucid?
[01:47] <ojwb> natty
[01:48] <chrismsnz> there's a few bugs mentioning this problem - none of them fix but all are filed against lucid
[01:48] <ojwb> hmm
[01:48] <ojwb> i should probably copy the date off and reinstall
[01:49] <ojwb> there's not really a good reason to have all those partitions now
[01:49] <chrismsnz> this is the beauty of lvm though :)
[01:49] <chrismsnz> you can just resize your partitions on the fly!
[01:49] <ojwb> yeah, I'm not sure I really want LVM in the picture any more
[01:51] <ojwb> sorry, misread - this is the *first* lvm partition in fstab
[01:51] <ojwb> which makes a little more sense perhaps
[01:51] <ojwb> then once I've got around to hitting S, whatever is causing the issue is probably sorted
[01:52] <chrismsnz> is / in the fstab after /data?
[01:52] <ojwb> no
[01:53] <ojwb> it's /proc / swap cdrom then the lvs
[01:54] <ojwb> i've moved the /data lv down one - I'll see if that changes anything
[01:55] <ajmitch> you'll probably have the first LV fail, but it'll be a different one
[01:55] <ibeardslee> wow unity really does suck with dual screens
[01:55] <ibeardslee> laptop screens
[01:55] <chrismsnz> ibeardslee: yeah :\
[01:55] <ibeardslee> probably the netbook doesn't have good enough graphics
[01:57] <chrismsnz> the 5102?
[01:57] <ibeardslee> yeap
[01:58] <chrismsnz> you dual screening with that beast?
[01:58] <ibeardslee> just getting ready for using it for a presentation tomorrow
[01:59] <ibeardslee> checking that the thing will actually do it properly
[02:00] <chrismsnz> I don't know what I'm going to run on my X220
[02:00] <chrismsnz> Unity is terrible with multiple screens....
[02:00] <chrismsnz> It's running 11.04 at the moment but I want to dock it with an external screen. Maybe I'll have to go xfce or KDE... or Gnome 3 even
[02:01]  * ajmitch still hasn't really tried kde 4.x yet
[02:01] <ajmitch> though I'm still mostly using lucid & gnome 2.x rather than unity
[02:01] <ibeardslee> Unity seems to work fine on my dual screen workstation .. at least fine where 'fine' actually has a clear display
[02:02] <chrismsnz> my extra monitor is to my left
[02:02] <ibeardslee> oh joy
[02:02] <chrismsnz> which introduces fail wrt unity's taskbar
[02:14] <chilts> I finally subscribed to the mailing list
[02:14] <chilts> ajmitch: ubuntu-nz list run by ajmitch at ubuntu.com, brenda at catalyst.net.nz
[02:14] <chilts> brenda is no longer there (but I guess you knew that already) :)
[02:15] <chilts> (that's on the screen right after you do a subscribe request)
[02:16] <ajmitch> chilts: can't say that I knew that :)
[02:16] <chilts> :)
[02:16] <ajmitch> btw, the mailing list is usually far quieter than IRC
[02:16] <chilts> I know, but I figured I needed to be on it (for no other reason than being on it) :)
[02:16] <chilts> it completes me!
[02:17] <chilts> :)
[02:17] <ajmitch> oh dear
[02:17] <chilts> hehe
[02:17] <chilts> I know
[02:18] <ajmitch> it's also been so long that I don't recall the list password, I should probably try & hunt it down to clear out spam
[02:18] <ajmitch> it's about the only thing it's needed for
[02:19] <chilts> doesn't it only accept mail from subscribers?
[02:19] <ojwb> that just means you get a big pile of held spam
[02:19] <ajmitch> yeah, which is why I can mostly forget about spam :)
[02:20] <chilts> wait, by only accepting mail from subsribers you get a big pile of held spam? that what you meant?
[02:20] <ajmitch> yep
[02:20] <chilts> doesn't make sense to me, wouldn't it just get rejected right there and then?
[02:20] <ojwb> mailman's antispam support is woeful
[02:20] <chilts> :(
[02:20] <ajmitch> it's a pity I don't have the password in ~/.listadmin.ini
[02:20] <chilts> Sympa seems to do the right thing
[02:20] <ajmitch> it holds messages from non-subscribers for a short time
[02:20] <ojwb> there are several different approaches to handling incoming posts, but none actually seems to do what you'd obviously want
[02:21] <chilts> yeah, I'd say it should just reject emails from non-subscribers immediately
[02:21] <chilts> who knows
[02:22] <ojwb> IIRC you can discard or bounce or hold based on content, headers, etc, but not on "comes from a subscriber"
[02:23] <ojwb> i've seen the odd spammer subscribe to a list, but that's pretty rare
[02:23] <chilts> strange, that seems like the first thing I'd implement
[02:23] <chilts> I am _SO_ going to get a Zareason laptop next time I buy one
[02:24] <chilts> who's that other company that does specifically Linux ones?
[02:24] <chilts> though I guess there are more than 2 these days :)
[02:28] <ajmitch> system76?
[02:30] <chilts> ah, that's the one
[02:30]  * chilts looks again
[02:32] <ajmitch> oh look at that, found the ubuntu-nz list password :)
[02:33] <ajmitch> no spam in the queue, so there's no real need for it
[02:34] <chilts> heh, sorry to send you on a wild goose chase
[02:34] <ajmitch> not to worry, I was meaning to find it awhile ago
[02:34] <ajmitch> I just had to ssh into my home system & load up the right mailbox, it wasn't hard to find
[02:36] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: you're still nominally chief, want any changes made? :)
[02:57] <ibeardslee> I thought it was blocked to non-subscribers already
[02:57] <ibeardslee> and which list is it?
[02:58] <ibeardslee> there seems to have been a couple floating around for a while
[02:58] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: ubuntu-nz@lists.ubuntu.com
[02:59] <ajmitch> & it is blocked to non-subscribers, so there's not really much to care about
[03:01] <chilts> that's what I thought would make sense ... so it _does_ already do that?
[03:02] <ajmitch> chilts: right, blocks but holds blocked mail for a short time
[03:02] <chilts> oh, I see
[03:02] <chilts> still, I guess that's better than having to manually do something
[03:02] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:34] <ibeardslee> I occasionally get emails for people joining the launchpad team
[20:02] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:08] <ajmitch> morning
[20:27] <timClicks> morning
[20:30] <chrismsnz> morning
[20:38] <Atamira> morning
[21:37] <chilts> morning