[04:40] <knightwise> morrrrning
[04:53] <MartijnVdS> \o knightwise
[06:51] <Apacheuk> morning everyone
[07:04] <diplo> morning all
[07:05] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:18] <DJones> Morning all
[07:25] <DJones> Car insurancers are a scam, current insurer has quoted £800, just got various quotes, cheapest with a recognised insurer is only £375
[07:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all
[07:35] <daubers> Morning
[07:41] <diplo> DJones, I totally agree they suck
[07:42] <diplo> Also charge you an exorbitant amount to pay monthly, it worked out at just over £100 a year :/
[07:45] <daubers> Who sucks now?
[07:45] <diplo> Insurance companies :)
[07:45] <daubers> Ah, ok
[07:46] <diplo> normal OT chatter :P
[07:49] <DJones> diplo: This one is only charging about an extra £20 for monthly payments, but always depends on original premium and whether their interest rates are rip off rates
[07:50] <diplo> yeah, I'm going for a new credit card when mine is due in Oct, pay it off with that with 0% on purchases for 12 months, so can can pay £25/30 a month or more with out interesrt
[07:51] <diplo> interest*
[07:56] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[07:57] <diplo> Morning brobostigon
[07:57] <brobostigon> when i just tried to run aptitude safe/upgrade, when it got to eglic, it came up with a message in a text editor, i cant get rid of, to continue, i cant remember how to get rid of it, ideas please.?
[07:58] <brobostigon> safe-upgrade*
[08:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> happy birthday to you brobostigon :-D Too early for a swift one?
[08:07] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: thank you :), maybe around lunchtime, :)
[08:08] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: can you help with my question above please.
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope - don't really understand the question :-(
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> ALT+F4?
[08:09] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: wouldnt that kill my whole terminal ?
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes.
[08:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Probably
[08:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Depends, is the text editor in its own window?
[08:10] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: while aptitude is unpacking, it came up with a blocking message, inside what looks like vi.
[08:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> ALT+f4 just closes the currently focussed window
[08:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh - vi.
[08:11] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: inside the same screen window, i am running aptitude safe-upgrade inside.
[08:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> just type ESC then : then q!
[08:11] <brobostigon> i am not sure it vi, it just looks like it, to me.
[08:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> try that then.
[08:11] <brobostigon> one minute.
[08:13] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: nope, nothing.
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> dunno then. Screenshot perhaps?
[08:16] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: http://imagebin.org/165083
[08:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope - sorry - don't know. It does look a nit like vi but might not be.
[08:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/nit/bit
[08:18] <brobostigon> yes, that is what i thought, aswell.
[08:19] <brobostigon> ohwell, thank you TheOpenSourcerer
[08:19] <brobostigon> :)
[08:24] <DJones> brobostigon: Looking at the screenshot, am I right in thinking you're using debian, might be worth asking in the debian channel as well, could be something they'll know off the top of their heads
[08:28] <brobostigon> DJones: i just found the solution, simply pressed q.
[08:28] <brobostigon> simplest.
[08:28] <DJones> lol
[08:32] <brobostigon> sometimes the simplest solution is the best, and why i didnt think like that, who knows.
[08:39] <brobostigon> i was just told, the message was outputted in less.
[09:04] <popey> Morning all.
[09:05] <davmor2> morning popey
[09:05] <davmor2> morning all
[09:05]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski to wake her up, then prods her again for not being here to get her prod in the first place
[09:21] <czajkowski> morning
[09:21] <brobostigon> morning czajkowski
[09:22] <davmor2> morning czajkowski  the prodding worked then
[09:22] <czajkowski> clearly
[09:24] <diplo> Girls and boys, Can any one recommend me a external esata caddy from Amazon
[09:25] <diplo> Got a £30 voucher
[09:25] <diplo> One that works with ubuntu quite well, which I guess most will.
[09:28] <popey> they all will
[09:28] <popey> my boss has a nice one
[09:29]  * popey goes to have a look for it
[09:29] <diplo> Thanks popey :)
[09:29] <diplo> I've seen a few I like, just thought I'd ask here before ordering
[09:29] <diplo> Can't afford a micro server yet
[09:30] <diplo> So thought a esata with my revo would be next best thing
[09:32] <popey> his is one that doesn't needs screws
[09:33] <Ng> hey talking of caddies, I need to get a usb caddy for a 12.5mm 2.5" SATA drive
[09:33] <Ng> all the cheap ones on amazon only take 9mm drives ;(
[09:35] <popey> yeah, mine doesn't fit either
[09:35] <popey> which reminds me, must send my 1TB disk back
[09:35] <popey> diplo: its an icy box i think
[09:36] <popey> diplo: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/icy-dock-mb668us-1sb-toolless-otb-25-sataii-hdd-(95mm)-to-esata-and-usb-20-output-inc-leatherpouch
[09:36] <popey> thats the one
[09:47] <diplo> Thanks popey , sorry had a conference call
[09:47] <diplo> Taking a look now
[09:47] <diplo> Is this competition still open for podcast for HP server ?
[09:47] <diplo> :)
[09:47] <oimon1> guys, anyone have experience of dual booting xp and ubuntu, when the XP install has been dd'd from a standalone disk to a /dev/sda3 partition?
[09:48] <BigRedS> that sounds like an annoyed xp install
[09:48] <oimon1> yes :(
[09:48] <oimon1> also grub2 is different from grub1 , which i knew
[09:49] <oimon1> currently update-grub isn't even detecting the XP partition...seems i have broken it too much :(
[09:50] <popey> yes diplo
[09:50] <popey> i copied xp from one disk to another with a very handy tool at the weekend
[09:50] <popey> not dd
[09:51] <oimon1> oh?
[09:51] <popey> http://www.todo-backup.com/
[09:51] <popey> works _brilliantly_
[09:51] <popey> it can even clone a disk whilst you're running it
[09:52] <popey> i.e. I was running XP on an internal HDD and plugged a (smaller capacity) SSD in via USB, installed that software and hit the "clone" button.
[09:52] <popey> it cloned the full disk layout to the smaller SSD and automagically shrunk partitions to make it fit
[09:52] <popey> zero effort
[09:52] <oimon1> sounds great
[09:53] <AlanBell> I found a good compromise with my always on home server
[09:53] <AlanBell> it boots from an 8GB SD card plugged in via USB, it has a 500GB hdd which is spun down almost all the time using the hdparm settings
[09:54] <popey> oimon1: yeah, it's great, can even build a custom Linux ISO/USB stick containing their software so you can do a recovery when the disk has failed or is new/empty
[09:54] <oimon1> is it for windows or multi os?
[09:56] <popey> its for windows
[09:57] <popey> but clearly they have a linux version because when you make their custom linux iso/img it boots directly from a linux kernel to their app
[09:57] <oimon1> gonna try writing this dd image one more time then try this todo
[09:58] <popey> the only issue I had with todo was that the power management in xp would spin down the usb disk whilst I was backing up
[09:58] <popey> so i had to switch that feature off
[09:59] <oimon1> this is the kind of fun i get up to on my day off when the toddler is asleep
[10:21] <BigRedS> Ah! Finally found a package in Debian Testing that's as new as the one in Arch! :)
[10:21] <BigRedS> that probably counts as off-topic here...
[10:22] <Laney> you're complaining that testing is too out of date?
[10:23] <BigRedS> No, there's an Arch user here who keeps mocking me for being 'out of date'
[10:24] <BigRedS> and, finally, I've found that I'm not
[10:24] <BigRedS> or he is
[10:25] <Laney> well presumably you run testing because you don't think having the latest of everything is the most important thing
[10:25] <BigRedS> yeah, it is entirely in jest. I'm a luddite, he's got an obsession with updating things
[10:25] <Laney> emerge sync!
[10:26] <n1md4> ...better things.
[10:27] <n1md4> I'm not even supposed to be here!  I don't even run arsebuntu anymore (joke aimed at BigRed) ciao
[10:28] <Laney> err
[10:49] <AlanBell> it's the way you tell them
[10:54] <andylockran> hostname
[10:54] <andylockran> hostname
[10:55] <AlanBell> my kingdom for a hostname
[10:55] <popey> Is that like "New York, New York"?
[10:55] <popey> Hostname, Hostname.
[10:56] <andylockran> haha
[10:56] <andylockran> :p
[10:58] <AlanBell> going to have to call a PC somewhere "hostname" just to mess with people's minds
[10:58] <davmor2> AlanBell: kermit
[11:03] <popey> nosthame might catch some people out
[11:35] <Daviey> Anyone here on Orange mobile contract?
[11:46] <directhex> moi
[11:47] <BigRedS> my work phone is
[12:00] <davmor2> Daviey: yeap
[12:00] <davmor2> Daviey: Why?
[12:08] <Daviey> davmor2: did you get an sms about data roaming in europe?
[12:08] <Daviey> reply to get this offer.. ?
[12:21] <popey> i didnt
[12:27] <Daviey> Something like 3 quid per day, upto 30MB.. must sign up before August 31st .. (This opts you out of the EU 12MB arrangement.)
[12:27] <Daviey> Trying to work out if it is a con :)
[12:28] <DJones> Daviey: http://www.whistleout.co.uk/blog/daily-30mb-on-roaming-orange-uk
[12:28] <DJones> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/Orange-UK-Roaming-Data-Plan-30MB-3,news-36013.html
[12:29] <DJones> Official announcement http://newsroom.orange.co.uk/2011/07/15/orange-launches-new-eu-daily-mobile-internet-browsing-bundle/
[12:36] <Daviey> DJones: yeah, the "opt out of EU thing" is what concerned me
[12:36] <Daviey> it does seem like a good deal
[12:36] <Daviey> or "better" deal
[12:40] <AlanBell> I don't know why roaming data costs much at all really
[12:40] <AlanBell> not as if the data itself roams
[12:41] <Daviey> someone emailed me 2 x 3MB pics whilst i was in France last year.
[12:41] <Daviey> That was *painful* to realise how much it cost, for something i didn't even want :)
[12:42] <BigRedS> ouch
[12:42] <AlanBell> if I had let my phone do data roaming in Germany a few weeks back it would have uploaded a 650MB video to Google+ instant share
[12:42] <BigRedS> I like T-Mobile's thing where it defaults to no international roaming
[12:42] <BigRedS> and then you can turn it on if you really want it
[12:42] <BigRedS> but it's off at T-Mobile, you don't need to trust the phone
[12:43] <bigcalm> During my last trip in France, I bought some data and then forgot about it
[12:44] <bigcalm> Wondered why my monthly DD was 40 quid higher than normal
[12:44] <diplo> Afternoon guys. trying to mv some DVD isos from my USB HDD ( NTFS ) to a share on my server here at work, getting 'Value too large for defined data type'
[12:44] <davmor2> Daviey: I got one about holidaying in europe earlier in the year but you need to set it up by ringing them I found out when I went to budapest I was right annoyed
[12:44] <diplo> Any suggestions whilst I am googling
[12:44] <diplo> Share is on ubuntu server 11.04 ( ext4 )
[12:48]  * DJones debates whether to buy a kindle
[12:49] <Daviey> davmor2: I thought calling orange whilst roaming was free?
[12:50] <davmor2> Daviey: it is if the network you are roaming on allows you to connect which didn't happen in budapest in the end I grabbed a pay as you go sim from there
[12:51] <Daviey> ahh
[12:53] <davmor2> Daviey: Also you can't enable it via the net either I tried that, you have to ring them, even though you can buy the European roaming pack online which is one I still don't quite get
[12:54] <Daviey> heh
[12:54] <Daviey> it's not uncommon to have to get the 'roaming lock' switched to enable.. by calling them
[12:54] <Daviey> i thought most networks did that to new customers
[13:12] <gord> today i have found out about the application "spd-say". well, thats today's productivity out the window
[13:13] <AlanBell> gord: you can plug that into different back ends too, espeak isn't my favourite
[13:16] <diplo> lol gord we found it a few weeks ago
[13:16] <diplo> both of us have sshd running and were sending stuff to each others PC's at random times
[13:16] <diplo> :D
[13:17] <diplo> Very immature but we had some laughs
[13:22] <gord> must note to make sure to leave a system with sound output running next time i leave home and someone house sits for me
[13:29] <AlanBell> gord: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/05/05/speak-to-me/
[13:30] <gord> AlanBell, kind complicated :)
[13:30] <AlanBell> no, not really I have done it all for you!
[13:36] <awilkins> bug 495423 ; Seems to have just gotten Ubuntu a bad organizational reputation somewhere
[13:39] <exobuzz> perhaps ubuntu is just copying that "feature" from windows ;-)
[13:53] <ali1234> perhaps the fact that you can't detect when grub is installed, is a bug in grub?
[13:53] <ali1234> i mean, maybe you can't detect existing versions
[13:53] <ali1234> so fix it so that you can
[13:53] <ali1234> this could be done very easily
[13:54] <Featurefreak> hey guys, not a S.M.A.R.T literate person here, anyone know what this means for a server drive? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/447443/
[13:54] <BigRedS> Yeah, this seems like another bug that's was caused by a lack of foresight
[13:54] <ali1234> simply hash the executable code along with the string "this is a grub install" and then write the result to a known offset inside the mbr
[13:54] <BigRedS> Featurefreak: your temp looks way off
[13:55] <ali1234> couple of bytes of hash/checksum should be enough
[13:55] <BigRedS> the thing with smart, though, is that it's change you want to observe. The output of smartctl -a is only really useful compared against some previous output from it
[13:55] <Featurefreak> BigRedS, it's an old 2006 server been sitting in germany the whole time, never massively busy for any sustained period of time, but mostly on.
[13:56] <ali1234> Featurefreak: Reallocated_Sector_Ct is the most important one
[13:56] <ali1234> being zero is good
[13:56] <Featurefreak> hmm, i see
[13:57] <ali1234> every disk i have ever seen die was because it ran out of spare sectors to reallocate into
[13:58] <ali1234> wikipedia actually has a nice table: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.
[13:58] <gord> i had a disk die when it fell off the table once
[13:59] <ali1234> oh yeah i had that once
[13:59] <BigRedS> I've had several survive that
[13:59] <BigRedS> oh, not while on though
[13:59] <ali1234> but it was not able to produce smart values after :)
[14:04] <bigcalm> What's the minimum amount of space one would give Ubuntu on a HDD/SSD?
[14:05] <BigRedS> I'd not go much less than 20GB
[14:05] <BigRedS> depending on what I was doing with the install/os/rest of hdd
[14:06] <directhex> bigcalm, ubuntu needs about 4.3gb for an install (not all of this is used by post-install though) iirc
[14:07] <awilkins> ali1234, That's actually a reasonable idea (for future detection of grub)
[14:07] <awilkins> ali1234, Possibly the most productive thing anyone has said on that bug so far...
[14:11] <bigcalm> I should have bought a bigger SSD :/
[14:12] <bigcalm> 20.5gb free on this SSD
[14:12] <exobuzz> if you are short on space you could always use btrfs and lzo compression (no fsck yet though ;-) )
[14:12] <bigcalm> Win 7 and files taking up the rest
[14:13] <exobuzz> 20gb is enough for the main system at least plus some extra packages and porn
[14:14] <exobuzz> sorry i meant to type "media"
[14:14] <bigcalm> ;)
[14:15] <bigcalm> Humm
[14:16] <bigcalm> Maybe I should buy a bigger SSD and dual boot it on the desktop. Then move this 60gb SSD into the laptop
[14:16] <awilkins> I'm running on a 64GB SSD and have about 10GB left
[14:16] <bigcalm> Or run 2 smaller SSD in the desktop
[14:16] <bigcalm> awilkins: OS?
[14:16] <awilkins> Maverick
[14:17] <awilkins> My home folder is huge because it's full of enormous development files
[14:17] <exobuzz> im currently considering ssd, but am unsure which to go for. read some stuff about 25nm nand being a lot less reliable
[14:17] <bigcalm> I keep web dev work on the server, so I have no idea why windows needs so much space
[14:17] <exobuzz> was originally considering ocz agility 3
[14:17] <bigcalm> I have an ocz 2
[14:18] <bigcalm> Very happy with it
[14:18] <bigcalm> 80 quid though :S
[14:18] <awilkins> exobuzz, I'm not sure it's such a big issue, TBH, I have some Kingston one - I wouldn't expect Kingston to represent a hallmark of quality but it's fine so far under quite a heavy load
[14:18] <exobuzz> yeh this one is £90 :/
[14:18] <bigcalm> Wait long enough and prices will drop
[14:18] <czajkowski> anyone want to help mrevell https://twitter.com/#!/launchpad_net/status/96222459484848128
[14:18] <czajkowski> it is intersting to do and only takes a few mins
[14:18] <mrevell> thanks czajkowski :)
[14:18] <awilkins> Prices will drop or sizes will just go up for the same money
[14:18] <exobuzz> 25nm nand should be cheaper. they are not passing on the savings
[14:19] <awilkins> Of course they aren't, this is high tech we are talking about
[14:19] <exobuzz> i got 1tb hdd. i could just buy another for some extra speed and stripe em
[14:19] <exobuzz> only £30 for another drive or so
[14:19] <awilkins> Loads of RAM is the best investment
[14:19] <czajkowski> AlanBell: bigcalm daubers ??
[14:19] <exobuzz> and wait a while for an ssd
[14:20] <awilkins> Esp on Linux, it caches big files in RAM very nicely
[14:20] <bigcalm> The speed increase is wonderful, but I'm also looking at consuming less energy
[14:20] <exobuzz> i got 8gb.. i made a mistake though. i emant to get 2x4gb and i bought 4x2gb so no upgrade space
[14:20] <exobuzz> i need new glasses
[14:20] <directhex> exobuzz, wifey has an ocz agility 3
[14:20] <exobuzz> directhex, do you rate it ?
[14:20] <awilkins> 8GB is probably enough unless you are debugging enormous 64-bit JVM server apps
[14:21] <exobuzz> awilkins, it's been fine for what i use it for. even with a few vms running
[14:21] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I don't use LP, so possibly not the target for this
[14:21] <exobuzz> +i5-2500k on z68 chipset
[14:21] <exobuzz> argh since i bought my cpu its gone down by £20
[14:22] <czajkowski> bigcalm: could be the perfect one, not using it, new eyes
[14:22] <exobuzz> :)
[14:22] <exobuzz> and i7 is much cheaper too damnit heh
[14:22] <awilkins> I dislike this "unlocked" thing for Intel CPUs
[14:22] <exobuzz> me too
[14:23] <directhex> exobuzz, somewhat jealous
[14:23] <bigcalm> I'm still kicking myself for buying an i3 dell laptop. Can't upgrade it
[14:23] <exobuzz> and only the K unlocked ones have the  better gpu. so it was a weird choice when they release h67/p67 and you still need the unlocked chip for h67 board for faster gfx even though you cant use the unlocked features
[14:23] <awilkins> Like the bad old days when you bought a server upgrade and they sent an engineer with a wirecutter to snip the wirelink that disables the feature you're paying for
[14:23] <exobuzz> :(
[14:25] <bigcalm> Oh wonderful. My samba shares aren't working now
[14:25]  * bigcalm quietly wheeps
[14:25] <exobuzz> bigcalm, i3 is decent enough though for a laptop
[14:25] <exobuzz> how do you mean cant upgrade it? i mean upgrading the cpu ?
[14:26] <bigcalm> exobuzz: I still like the laptop, just annoed that I was trying to cut corners on cost
[14:26] <bigcalm> Yes. From my research, one cannot upgrade the CPU in it
[14:26] <directhex> one generally can't upgrade laptops
[14:26] <exobuzz> ive never considered upgrading a cpu in a laptop anyway.
[14:27] <exobuzz> i did upgrade the gpu in my dell inspiron 8000 though.
[14:28] <exobuzz> i have an acer laptop. lcd backlight was going, so i took the screen from another acer machine, that was broken, but then i fixed the other acer machine, so i still need another screen. damnit
[14:28] <exobuzz> must buy MORE broken laptops from ebay
[14:31] <exobuzz> heh
[14:31] <exobuzz> nice quit message
[14:33] <bigcalm> Time to download 11.04 and install it on this 500gb HDD I just pulled from my mythtv box
[14:34] <bigcalm> Why are Ubuntu still recomending 32bit over 64bit?
[14:34] <exobuzz> dunno.
[14:34] <DJones> they don't really, it goes back to when 32 worked better with some 3rd party software (flash etc)
[14:34] <awilkins> i) The kernel supports PAE, so there's no benefit in terms of memory ceiling
[14:34] <exobuzz> flash is ok on 64bit now as of recent days
[14:34] <DJones> but the website hasn't been updated since then
[14:35] <awilkins> ii) Most people don't need more than 4GB of RAM per process
[14:35] <bigcalm> On the download page, the version type select field says "32-bit (recommended)"
[14:35] <awilkins> iii) There may still be some minor compatibility issues (I've run into cases where the 64-bit packaging of some 32-bit apps was not adequate)
[14:35] <ali1234> regarding 64 bit flash
[14:35] <exobuzz> 64 bit is better for video/audio encoding
[14:35] <ali1234> i need to use a ld preload hack to make flash fullscreen work properly
[14:35] <ali1234> i apply this as part of nspluginwrapper
[14:36] <ali1234> so, what to do if i use 64 bit flash?
[14:36] <exobuzz> the new 64bit flash works fine on my machine
[14:36] <ali1234> fullscreen doesn't
[14:36] <exobuzz> on my machine it does.
[14:36] <ali1234> on mine it doesn't
[14:36] <bigcalm> Maybe I'll run windows in a vm if really needed
[14:36] <exobuzz> then i dunno
[14:37] <exobuzz> ali1234, is you are not using 64bit flash how do you know it doesnt ?
[14:37] <DJones> bigcalm: There are also supposed to be some proprietry drives that may not work and some wireless cards that use ndiswrapper & have no 64 bit windows driver
[14:37] <bigcalm> I see
[14:37] <bigcalm> I wonder if I'll get my display link usb gfx working :)
[14:37] <exobuzz> (flash 11 beta)
[14:38] <DJones> bigcalm: This is quite a good thread about it, only 3 pages http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1756578
[14:39] <bigcalm> Will read it later, ta :)
[14:39] <ali1234> exobuzz: because i tried it with the old 64 bit flash
[14:39] <ali1234> exobuzz: and the bug is reported in adobe jira where it is marked "wontfix"
[14:39] <exobuzz> ali1234, erm. but then thats the old one. you dont know that they havnt fixed it
[14:40] <ali1234> they haven't marked the bug as fixed
[14:40] <ali1234> and they've specifically said they won't fix it
[14:40] <ali1234> but just for you, i will test it
[14:40] <exobuzz> this is a pointless discussion if you are not going to try it first
[14:40] <exobuzz> im if the bug is still there then fine but you cant guess it
[14:41] <ali1234> this bug has existed since forever
[14:41] <ali1234> if they have fixed it i will be amazed
[14:41] <DJones> ali1234: exobuzz I use full screen64 bit flash on my machine without problems (i3, 4gb ram, intel hd graphics)
[14:41] <exobuzz> poibnt me to the bug
[14:41] <ali1234> exobuzz: there is a full description of the bug on my blog: http://al.robotfuzz.com/content/workaround-fullscreen-flash-linux-multiheaded-desktops
[14:42] <brobostigon> trek marathon. :) birthday pressies.
[14:42] <ali1234> https://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1039
[14:44] <ali1234> https://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-751
[14:44] <ali1234> https://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-554
[14:44] <exobuzz> they are all referenced o the first link
[14:45] <ali1234> https://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-5633
[14:46] <exobuzz> works fine on my singel display anyway heh.
[14:46] <exobuzz> single :)
[14:46] <ali1234> yes, it only happens on dual head displays
[14:46] <ali1234> because the video is scaled to the monitor size, but keeps the aspect ration of the total display area
[14:50] <ali1234> https://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1566
[14:50] <ali1234> ok enough of that
[14:57] <ali1234> ok i just tested and the bug is still present in flashplayer11_b1_install_lin_64_071311
[14:57] <ali1234> which brings me back to my original question
[14:57] <ali1234> how do i apply a LD_PRELOAD hack to a single library?
[14:58] <ali1234> without nspluginwrapper i have to load my hack before firefox, and then it affects all plugins of firefox and firefox itself
[14:58] <popey> i have problems with 64-bit flash too
[14:58] <popey> i get a black box where the video should be
[14:58] <popey> frequently
[14:59] <gord> i kinda gave up on 64-bit flash, went back to 32 bit and it actually works much nicer
[14:59] <gord> with better grammar...
[15:00] <popey> hah, seems I _am_ using 32-bit flash
[15:00] <popey> ii  nspluginwrapper                    1.2.2-0ubuntu9                     A wrapper to run Netscape plugins on other architectures
[15:00] <popey> what pants
[15:00] <ali1234> yeah the black/white rectangle bug
[15:00] <gord> i used to get that... i wish i could remember for the life of me what fixed it
[15:00] <ali1234> nothing... it isn't fixed
[15:00] <ali1234> it just only happens on certain sites
[15:01] <ali1234> since i installed flashblock and whitelisted only youtube it doesn't happen any more ... cos youtube is one of the few sites that works properly
[15:01] <ali1234> embedded youtube videos often show it though
[15:02] <gord> yeah thats how it used to be for me...
[15:02] <popey> i only get it on youtube
[15:02] <ali1234> got adblock too?
[15:02] <ali1234> it seems to happen more on pages that have multiple flash plugins
[15:04] <popey> ah
[15:04] <popey> yes, i have adblock
[15:04] <ali1234> dunno then, you must just be backwards :)
[15:04] <popey> it's very frequent
[15:04] <ali1234> yeah it's very frequent for me too
[15:04] <ali1234> but never happens on youtube
[15:04] <ali1234> just "everything else"
[15:05] <ali1234> bug 761074
[15:05] <ali1234> found it :)
[15:05] <gord> ooh maybe its fixed in O
[15:07] <exobuzz> the back and white block thing happens with 32 bit flash on 64 bit. the 64bit flash doesnt have it
[15:09] <exobuzz> isntall flash from ppa:sevenmachines/flash and try that
[15:09] <ali1234> not interested in fixing that one
[15:09] <ali1234> flash works on youtube, that's all i care about
[15:09] <ali1234> as long as it works in fullscreen
[15:09] <exobuzz> im sure you can still do your workaround for 64bit for your two screens
[15:10] <ali1234> oh i can
[15:10] <ali1234> but like i said, not without affecting all plugins and firefox itself
[15:10] <czajkowski> mrevell: did you get anyone ?
[15:10] <gord> flash is nicer on windows these days, its a shame
[15:11] <ali1234> lol no
[15:11] <mrevell> czajkowski, A few people have filled out the form, yeah, thanks
[15:11] <czajkowski> mrevell: yay
[15:11] <DJones> mrevell: Is it just an online form to be filled in?
[15:12] <gord> flash has nice acceleration on windows, you can use multi-monitors properly and alt-tab away from fullscreen
[15:12] <gord> nice
[15:14] <mrevell> DJones, There's a form to fill out to say you're interested in taking part: https://ethn.io/27233
[15:14] <DJones> Ah, telephone interview, just found it
[15:32] <ali1234> gord: there's loads of bugs about fullscreen and focus on adobe jira too
[15:32] <ali1234> (linux bugs)
[15:32] <gord> adobe on linux is not fun
[15:33] <gord> i don't prefer html5 for freesoftware/standards, but because flash on linux sucks
[15:33] <ali1234> yeah
[15:33] <ali1234> although at least you can block flash
[15:34] <brobostigon> well, atleast inside chromium, html5, ie, webm, is a more resource efficiant and stable. compared to doing the equal in flash.
[15:35] <dogmatic69> is there a site that shows user stats for OS like there is for browser stats?
[15:38] <mgdm> I know what you mean but webm is a video format and only a fraction of what Flash does, and it's not part of the HTML5 standard
[15:39] <brobostigon> when i first experimental with html5, i used oggv.
[15:40] <ali1234> webm might be only a fraction of what flash *can* do
[15:40] <ali1234> but it's probably about 97% of what flash is actually used for
[15:43] <ali1234> mrevell: something new for launchpad, eh? i hope it's twitter integration - "i reported a bug about <package> : <link>"
[15:49] <gord> i don't care what webm can or can't do, i just want to watch video
[15:50] <mrevell> ali1234, It's not that but that's an interesting idea. Would you really want to tweet every bug you report?
[15:50] <ali1234> mrevell: yes, and i want to follow the bugs that other people report too
[15:50] <mrevell> Interesting. Anything else you'd want to tweet/dent?
[15:51] <ali1234> well it would be nice if i could follow @package to get all the bugs reported on that package
[15:51] <ali1234> but you might need to set up your own twitter instance to pull that off
[15:52] <ali1234> also i believe you can get that info through email
[15:52] <gord> you can, but its a lot more than 140 characters
[15:52] <ali1234> yeah true
[15:52] <ali1234> but i can just skim the subjects :)
[15:53] <gord> pretty much what i do, it has an email api too so you can reply with a certain formatting to do different things
[15:53] <ali1234> i always wondered if that was the case
[15:54] <ali1234> if i get a email about a comment on a bug and i just hit reply, does that work?
[15:55] <gord> should do
[15:55] <gord> the api is more for setting status and stuff
[15:55] <knightwise> Yo everyone
[15:56] <brobostigon> afternoonings knightwise
[15:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> man - this is hysterical... http://serverfault.com/questions/293217/our-security-auditor-is-an-idiot-how-do-i-give-him-the-information-he-wants
[16:00] <ali1234> TheOpenSourcerer: :O
[16:12] <andylockran> hey guys - what calendar integrates with the natty desktop?
[16:12] <bigcalm> I can haz Ubuntu!
[16:12] <andylockran> want to sync my gmail calendar with it
[16:12] <DJones> bigcalm: \o/
[16:12] <bigcalm> Now, how the flip do I rotate my central monitor 90deg clockwise?
[16:16] <mgdm> bigcalm: put your arms out, grasp the sides with your hands... :P
[16:17]  * bigcalm grasps mgdm's ears...
[16:17] <DJones> bigcalm: Lie on your side
[16:28] <bigcalm> Not a productive afternoon when you're trying to get a workstation 'working'
[16:40] <ikonia> directhex: ping
[16:52] <ali1234> how long do pastes on ubuntu pastebin last for?
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes.
[17:20] <Daviey> bigcalm: try running oneiric :)
[17:21] <davmor2> Daviey: it's easy once you get through the torrent of bugs :)
[17:21] <czajkowski> wait........ no gord?
[17:21] <Daviey> davmor2: hah, tbird hasn't worked this week for me.
[17:21] <Daviey> been a muttful week
[17:24] <davmor2> Daviey: I'm not a fan of TB at the minute with it's forever shrinking filter window, the pain you have to go through to modify an account it if it isn't autodetected (like say canonical accounts) the fact that it doesn't have some of the filtering options that evo has, oh and there is no calendaring for now oh and....
[17:25] <mgdm> I was going to add a thing to make something about the account adding easier (think it was so you could specify encryption in the new account wizard thing)
[17:25] <mgdm> but it was vetoed in favour of the autodetection thing
[17:25] <mgdm> which is *rubbish*
[17:27] <Daviey> mgdm: Where have you been?
[17:27] <Daviey> I assumed you were dead.
[17:28] <davmor2> Daviey: the biggest killer for tb is the 128% cpu usage updating the folders on first run
[17:28] <davmor2> Daviey: oh and the fact that it randomly selected which folder it want to display
[17:29] <Daviey> davmor2: I had to disable that as downloading >15GB of mail wasn't in the agreement between me and a damn mail client.
[17:31] <davmor2> Daviey: yeah my person mail is only about a 1.5GB iirc but evo handled it fine tb went for the lot I wouldn't mind but it's all imap
[17:31] <davmor2> anyway LUG time night all
[17:31] <Daviey> nn davmor2
[17:34] <BigRedS> Oh, does evo actually do imap?
[17:41] <diplo-> evenin all
[17:42] <mgdm> Daviey: not dead, just busy
[17:55] <Guest20890> oh sweet i love being a guest
[17:56] <mgdm> BigRedS: Evo has done IMAP for years, but i never really got on well with it
[17:57] <dwatkins> Does anything that runs on Ubuntu link up to an exchange server for calendars yet?
[17:57] <dwatkins> I suspect for some people that would be the tipping-point of being able to use Ubuntu.
[18:00] <BigRedS> mgdm: no I mean 'does imap' in the sense of not insisting on syncing the entire mailbox
[18:00] <bigcalm> I can haz rotated monitor :D
[18:01] <BigRedS> AFAICR, the imap spec suggests it should only get the most recent 20
[18:01] <BigRedS> bigcalm: dangerous. Every other PC will feel weird now
[18:01] <BigRedS> my PC at work is vertical, I get annoyed at how short & wide my laptop is now...
[18:01] <bigcalm> Slowly but surely, this will become a usable dev workstation without windows (other than to play gamez)
[18:02] <bigcalm> BigRedS: I've had it for a few years. But never in Linux. I got fed up of Windows freezing so blanked the SSD and installed 11.04 ;)
[18:02] <bigcalm> I like having my code on the central vertical screen.
[18:03] <bigcalm> Now I just need to get the DisplayLink connected screen to get my 3rd monitor working
[18:03] <BigRedS> ahhh, have you persuaded any games to comply?
[18:03] <Daviey> eek, the archers seems to have started on Radio 4.. and i can't be bothered to reach the radio.
[18:04] <bigcalm> It's a good job that I have a sound knowledge of tinkering with Linux systems. The stuff I've been doing today "just works" on windows without having to google and get messy with the cli
[18:04] <bigcalm> BigRedS, Windows 7 is still on the original HDD in this machine. When I installed Ubuntu, it saw it and added it to grub as a boot option. Horay for Steam ;)
[18:06] <dwatkins> bigcalm: I look forward to setting up a double or triple boot system soon
[18:08] <bigcalm> My laptop is dual boot, but I rarely bother with windows on it
[18:14] <BigRedS> Ah yeah, my Windows boot only ever does steam
[18:15] <BigRedS> Every so often I'll use it relatively frequently for a couple of weeks, and then revert back to openarena
[18:32] <suprengr> Eveninks all
[18:34] <suprengr> ...bug or no bug time... Three GSM donle in in use tomight 'coz landlandy's out & (as she does) has turned off the router along with all else she turns off on going out!  No real prob as the dongle does me well well - normally
[18:35] <shauno> (I'd file a bug against the landlady ;)
[18:36] <suprengr> but have found that eberytime I fire up Rythmbox it instantly disconnects the dongle ;(  worth reporting as a bug I wonder? [could be a prob with the dongle driver - so undecided to go report to Three (not a lot of point) or to buglist.
[18:37]  * suprengr likes shauno's comment alot
[18:37] <mgdm> I suspect it might be seeing the USB mass storage bit and tyring to interact with it
[18:37] <suprengr> mgdm, ahhh... you may have it there.
[18:38] <suprengr> [as in it reconnects & stays connected after pull out & replace...  thanks that does make sense
[18:38] <BigRedS> I'd still file that under 'bug' rather than 'expected behaviour'
[18:39] <suprengr> BigRedS,  the dongle I assume - rather than the landlady ;)
[18:40]  * suprengr [looking back on comments posted by suprengr  - apologises for spelling]
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> oops, seems like guardian.co.uk have deleted their main index page
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> "Sorry - we haven't been able to serve the page you asked for
[18:41] <BigRedS> bah. why doesn't steam have a "download all my games in the background" optiongrggrou
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: it doesn't?
[18:42] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: apparently not
[18:43] <BigRedS> and network manager seems to not have a 'keep my net connection stable' one at the minute, either
[18:43] <diplo-> Hi guys, just upgraded to 11.04 on my desktop
[18:44] <diplo-> Screen res is reporting 3820.x1920
[18:44] <diplo-> Can't get it to do anything atm
[18:44] <diplo-> Is there a quick way to get it to redetect ?
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> diplo-: open the display preferences? disconnect one of your monitors?
[19:00] <diplo-> heh couldn't do it
[19:00] <diplo-> Graphics were tearing
[19:00] <diplo-> Rebooted to recovery
[19:00] <diplo-> reconfigured
[19:00] <diplo-> installing proprietary now and see if that's better
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> ah, it's nvidia?
[19:03] <diplo-> yah
[19:05]  * diplo- crosses fingers
[19:08] <diplo-> No tearing
[19:08] <diplo-> But...
[19:08] <diplo-> wrong screen res still, can see top bar
[19:08] <diplo-> But only right hand side of it :(
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> get a better screen (one that communicates its possible resolutions properly to the graphics card)
[19:08] <diplo-> Dell 2407
[19:09] <suprengr> mgdm, BigRedS ... thanks for help - bug reported
[19:09] <diplo-> It's worked fine till now
[19:09] <diplo-> Works fine in classic as well
[19:09] <diplo-> just not unity
[19:10] <diplo-> well got settings screen up eventually
[19:10] <diplo-> it's saying 1920x1200 :/
[19:11] <diplo-> ah but xscreen info is saying 2840x1200
[19:38] <daubers> lo
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> \o daubers
[20:02] <suprengr> daubers, MartijnVdS  et al, hi &  bye.. comedy time on Dave
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> suprengr: No dave here (back home) :(
[20:03] <daubers> :)
[20:03]  * suprengr sad for MartijnVdS 
[20:03] <daubers> MartijnVdS: You're better off that way
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I still have ITV3/4
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> daubers: for my rerun needs
[20:05] <bigcalm> Are there any Skype ATA devices that can be used in Linux?
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> Lots of SATA devices that work
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> but that's not "Skype ATA"
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> I have a working "phone-shaped USB sound device", that works fine with skype on Linux
[20:09] <bigcalm> Humms
[20:10] <bigcalm> I do have a separate USB sound card and headset, so can continue to make calls. But no longer a device that sits on the desk and rings
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Mine has two "sound out" modes, one for ringing and one for your ear while making a call
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> and with pulseaudio it all worked fine for me
[20:47] <bigcalm> Apparently some people have got this working with Linux: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Yamamoto-Easy-Blue-Skype-Adaptor/dp/B000A0ZQ8Q
[20:55] <bigcalm> Do people still use gkrellm, or is there something better out there?
[21:09] <gord> soooo.. upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04 using the install cd? does not go well
[21:09] <gord> just sits at "saving installed packages" forever
[21:10] <czajkowski> gord: wb
[21:12] <gord> czajkowski, didn't actually leave, just got turned into an anonymous guest :)
[21:12] <czajkowski> gord: dont scare us that way, you're a regular fixture here
[21:22] <gord> oookay now bash is segfaulting... i think there may be a hardware fault
[21:22]  * AlanBell haz new chicks
[21:23] <Daviey> AlanBell is a playar.
[21:23] <brobostigon> AlanBell: how does you wife feel about that?
[21:23] <brobostigon> your*
[21:29] <AlanBell> she isn't into chicks as much as I am
[21:29] <gord> crap the memory on my revo has errors
[21:29] <brobostigon> AlanBell: hmm :)
[21:29] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/photos/109175303602657131317/albums/5634058380065766801/5634055697024350002
[21:30] <gord> will have to consult with popey tomorrow :(
[21:30] <AlanBell> the three little ones are "Chocolate", "Specky" and "Snowdrop"
[21:30] <AlanBell> and we hope they are all girls
[21:35] <AlanBell> if any of them turn out not to be girls then I have a small problem, and they have a *big* problem
[21:40] <gord> AlanBell, a tasty problem?
[21:40] <AlanBell> potentially
[21:40] <AlanBell> although I am not sure that will work out
[21:40] <AlanBell> theopensourcerer might end up with a nice curry
[21:41] <shauno> chocolate curry just sounds wrong
[22:10] <directhex> ikonia: pong
[23:21] <ali1234> awesome
[23:22] <bigcalm> Me?
[23:23] <ali1234> scipy
[23:23] <ali1234> i have a signal recovery algorithm which is highly accurate and converges in under 3 seconds
[23:24] <bigcalm> Erm, great :)
[23:24] <ali1234> now i can read the news from 1997
[23:25] <bigcalm> Heh
[23:26] <ali1234> sorry, 1996
[23:49] <ali1234> does anyone know about fontconfig?
[23:49] <ali1234> looks like i can disable antialiasing for specific fonts
[23:50] <ali1234> http://rg03.wordpress.com/2010/11/20/freetype/
[23:53] <ali1234> probably need to relog now