| codyz06 | hi, does anyone know how to fix thunar in xubuntu 11.04? It hangs at first launch and gives a "The folder could not be opened" error | 00:51 |
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| Derpadong | Ive got a question | 02:56 |
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| ushills | hi, looking for some help with thunar on 11.04, currently it takes around 15-20seconds from entering thunar in a terminal to the window appearing, could it be anything to do with ubuntu one. | 06:32 |
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| CaelThunderwing | got a question.. whats a proper way to get back to Command line Other than Killing gdm? because while im trying to compile this laptop im using is a tad dated so i wanna free up any resources i can but i've run into a few missing packages i need | 09:42 |
| CaelThunderwing | so aftre killing gdm i cannot gain network access unless i restart.. and its apain Just to get back to command prompt. | 09:42 |
| Sysi | CaelThunderwing: when you're on GUI, go to network preferences and set wifi connection to be available to all users, if it still doesn't work, see cnetworkmanager | 09:47 |
| CaelThunderwing | there hasto be a better way tojust Kill the UI than Stopping gdm | 09:51 |
| TheSheep | CaelThunderwing: you can enable alt+ctrl+backspace | 09:52 |
| TheSheep | CaelThunderwing: but that will also kill the network manager that keeps your connection | 09:53 |
| CaelThunderwing | how would i enable it? and i could always restart the network manager | 10:01 |
| Wizard | hi! | 10:05 |
| ushills | Can anyone help my with thunar, it takes an age to start | 10:22 |
| simple55 | hi, out there | 10:37 |
| simple55 | i just installed 10.04LTS / xfce on my thinkpad x20 - runs well | 10:38 |
| Wizard | hi simple55 | 10:44 |
| Wizard | good choice | 10:44 |
| Wizard | ushills: i have same issue too | 10:45 |
| Wizard | nah, he's gone | 10:45 |
| Sysi | it's "feature" | 10:45 |
| Wizard | how to uninstall it than? | 10:47 |
| Wizard | :> | 10:47 |
| Sysi | you can use other filemanager | 10:48 |
| simple55 | i just made some coffee | 10:54 |
| simple55 | but thinkfan is not runnig - no cooling | 10:55 |
| Wizard | seems cpu is cold enough ;) | 10:55 |
| simple55 | yes :-) 600 | 10:56 |
| simple55 | i am searching thinkwiki - problem piix4 and sensors | 10:59 |
| Wizard | 600 what? kilograms? :P | 10:59 |
| simple55 | Mhz | 10:59 |
| floppsy | hello everybody. | 11:00 |
| Wizard | hi floppsy | 11:00 |
| floppsy | I have a problem with the X server and radeonhd 2400. | 11:02 |
| floppsy | It works, but only with the fbdev driver. It used to work even without the xorg.conf file. | 11:03 |
| Wizard | i think x configuration has been changed in natty | 11:06 |
| floppsy | it worked in natty. I had to reinstall, and because first install worked fine, I did not back up anything, I thought it work again. | 11:08 |
| Wizard | o_O | 11:10 |
| Wizard | what kind of problems? | 11:10 |
| floppsy | with the fbdev driver it works fine, as long as I do not open a lot of windows and don't need any 2D/3d accelration. | 11:11 |
| floppsy | As soon as I do not use a xorg.conf file with fbdev as driver, screen stays black. | 11:12 |
| floppsy | with nomodeset enabled I can switch to a virtual terminal and login and so on. | 11:13 |
| floppsy | without screen stays black, but I could do things blind. | 11:13 |
| Wizard | I think I can't help you, I've never dug much into x configuration.. | 11:17 |
| floppsy | no problem. thanks so far | 11:18 |
| Wizard | why doesn't xubunut set LC_ALL, but LANG only? | 12:10 |
| knome | set LC_ALL where | 12:11 |
| Wizard | in system | 12:11 |
| Wizard | i've chosen my language in 'languages' but it set only LANG | 12:11 |
| knome | yes, because language (LANG) is not locale (LC_ALL) ! | 12:11 |
| Wizard | hmm | 12:12 |
| knome | locale also changes measurement units etc | 12:13 |
| knome | language is just part of the locale | 12:13 |
| Wizard | sane reasoning | 12:13 |
| knome | i, for example, use english language, but finnish measurement/time/etc | 12:13 |
| Wizard | hmm, in Languages settings, Regional settings tab, I see dates, numbers and currencies format: polish | 12:15 |
| knome | yeah, those change LC_* | 12:15 |
| knome | (supposedly at least... :)) | 12:15 |
| Wizard | hehe, seems not :) | 12:15 |
| Wizard | echoin LC_* are empty in shell and thunar shows dates in wrong format | 12:16 |
| knome | hmm | 12:16 |
| knome | time to file a bug then | 12:16 |
| Wizard | yup | 12:16 |
| Wizard | again ;) | 12:17 |
| knome | Wizard, can you also paste me the bug link when you've reported it? thanks | 12:18 |
| Wizard | sure | 12:18 |
| jn_ | is it possible to have thunderbird run as an applet in the notification area ? | 12:21 |
| Wizard | hmm, i've found few links how to do it | 12:23 |
| Wizard | most of them offered installation of some packages or scripts, i was to lazy to check what's inside and automatically decided they are malicious | 12:24 |
| Wizard | dammit, i forgot launchpad password | 12:25 |
| Wizard | knome, I'll report it later, at home | 12:25 |
| knome | Wizard, okey, no problem. just hilight me or send a PM :) | 12:29 |
| Wizard | ok | 12:29 |
| SaaMmY | someone knows how I can sobstitute my thunar with nautilus? | 13:23 |
| SaaMmY | I installed yet nautilus | 13:23 |
| SaaMmY | Should I remove thunar or not? | 13:23 |
| Sysi | settings → preferred applications → file manager | 13:25 |
| SaaMmY | in preferred applications I have not file manager | 13:26 |
| Sysi | oh, what xubuntu version? | 13:28 |
| SaaMmY | 11.04 | 13:28 |
| Sysi | should be.. | 13:28 |
| SaaMmY | If I go on synaptic and I try to remove thunar... it will remove also xubuntu-desktop | 13:33 |
| Sysi | that is metapackage, not needed | 13:34 |
| Sysi | just need to be careful that it doesn't remove your xfce | 13:34 |
| SaaMmY | also in xfce4-settings-editor I don't find file manager or whatelse similar | 13:36 |
| SaaMmY | how to open file manager in xfce? with terminal? | 13:56 |
| SaaMmY | I have found some script to sobstitute nautilus with thunar... but not the contrary https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager | 14:39 |
| charlie-tca | That's because making nautilus default file manager simply requires removing thunar | 14:46 |
| charlie-tca | or, in most cases, installing nautilus. It will take over | 14:46 |
| SaaMmY | I was wrong the script works for both senses | 15:01 |
| SaaMmY | also to have nautilus instead of thunar | 15:01 |
| SaaMmY | I have used this script https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager but it make appear on my terminal an error for nautilus... | 15:58 |
| SaaMmY | (nautilus:2809): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed | 15:58 |
| SaaMmY | (nautilus:2809): GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_format_get_name: assertion `format != NULL' failed | 15:58 |
| SaaMmY | what is it? | 15:58 |
| charlie-tca | You should ask in #ubuntu. They work with nautilus more than we do | 16:01 |
| SaaMmY | you are right | 16:01 |
| bl00dy | hey all how can i change the password of the user in xubuntu cz i forgot it :S ? | 17:03 |
| bl00dy | pls anybody help i can't install the updates :( | 17:04 |
| lighta | passwd user ? | 17:05 |
| lighta | bl00dy, | 17:05 |
| bl00dy | it says your current password | 17:06 |
| lighta | ah do you know root one ? at least ? | 17:06 |
| bl00dy | no | 17:06 |
| bl00dy | :( | 17:06 |
| lighta | how did you log in your session ? | 17:07 |
| bl00dy | i just installed xubuntu now :S im new | 17:07 |
| lighta | you just installed and forgot pass already ??? | 17:07 |
| bl00dy | yeah it was first time that i install linux :S | 17:08 |
| bl00dy | i think i should install it again :( | 17:08 |
| lighta | well that should be the quicker way, but you should note pass somewhere | 17:08 |
| bl00dy | what about to chose recovery mode ? | 17:09 |
| shadow98 | hey guys what is best way to get vnc on xubuntu and configred from remote.. | 18:01 |
| * Wizard has no idea | 18:01 | |
| Wizard | good evening | 18:01 |
| Sysi | !best | 18:01 |
| ubottu | Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots. | 18:01 |
| Sysi | but you could try vino | 18:01 |
| orngjce223 | Does VNC has a support channel? | 18:01 |
| orngjce223 | That would be a better place to ask. | 18:02 |
| Wizard | isn't it a client? | 18:02 |
| Sysi | no, vino is server | 18:02 |
| Wizard | i thought it was this lame gnome thing | 18:02 |
| Sysi | it's gnome's server :P | 18:02 |
| Sysi | vnc is protocol, they wouldn't support all clients/servers anyway | 18:02 |
| Wizard | nah, so it does not start session in background? | 18:02 |
| Sysi | didn't when I last tried | 18:03 |
| Sysi | !vnc | 18:03 |
| ubottu | VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX | 18:03 |
| Wizard | pff | 18:03 |
| Wizard | i prefere xdmcp | 18:03 |
| Wizard | or ssh -X :D | 18:03 |
| Sysi | xdmcp has been made hard these days | 18:06 |
| Wizard | unfortunately! | 18:06 |
| Sysi | though I basically never use computer remotely with gui | 18:07 |
| Wizard | 2 versions of gdm ago it required ticking on checkbox in gdm-setup | 18:07 |
| Wizard | now, i'm not even sure if gdm supports | 18:07 |
| Sysi | on kdm it's still usable option I think | 18:07 |
| Wizard | hmm, kdm requires ton of kde deps | 18:08 |
| Sysi | even if you have antire kde and gnome installed along xfce you won't have more than 6GB root used | 18:09 |
| Wizard | 6GB is too much | 18:10 |
| Wizard | even 2GB is too much | 18:10 |
| Sysi | 10gb is getting quite big but I could deal with 15 | 18:11 |
| Sysi | win7sp1 is about 20gb | 18:11 |
| Wizard | that is awful | 18:11 |
| Sysi | and I'm using 32GB ssd | 18:11 |
| charlie-tca | Ubuntu now requires a minimum of 4.4GB | 18:11 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu Oneiric will install in 2GB or less, I think. The lowest I tried so far is 1.9GB | 18:12 |
| Wizard | brb, "you need to reboot" :P | 18:14 |
| pimperle | hi | 18:16 |
| Wizard | hi pimperle | 18:17 |
| pimperle | on an uptodate natty the thunderbird window is a little bit transparent when active. i disabled all transparency by setting the sliders fully to the right | 18:17 |
| pimperle | is this a feature i might have accidentally activated on an active windows (tb)? | 18:17 |
| Wizard | accidentally? | 18:18 |
| TheSheep | pimperle: hold down alt, put your mouse cursor on the window's title bar and move your scrollwheel | 18:18 |
| Wizard | yup | 18:18 |
| pimperle | ah, thanks | 18:19 |
| Wizard | lol | 18:19 |
| pimperle | i already tried every combination of the wheel and alt,ctrl,shift but only scrolled with the cursor somewhere inside the window | 18:20 |
| TheSheep | yeah, it's quite obscure | 18:20 |
| Wizard | ok, while i see some traffic here, I ask my question again. Is there any gui avahi browser for xubuntu? | 18:34 |
| well_laid_lawn | !find avahi | 18:35 |
| ubottu | Found: avahi-autoipd, avahi-daemon, avahi-dbg, avahi-utils, libavahi-client-dev, libavahi-client3, libavahi-common-data, libavahi-common-dev, libavahi-common3, libavahi-compat-libdnssd-dev (and 25 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=avahi&searchon=names&suite=natty§ion=all | 18:35 |
| charlie-tca | and the answer is... ? | 18:36 |
| well_laid_lawn | check the link at the end I guess | 18:36 |
| charlie-tca | Wizard: I don't know, myself. Avahi is one of those apps that gets in my way using static IP's on a local network | 18:36 |
| well_laid_lawn | I remember gnome used to have one | 18:36 |
| Wizard | hmm | 18:37 |
| Wizard | do i need that crap at all? | 18:37 |
| Wizard | :) | 18:37 |
| charlie-tca | There are a couple of files that have to stay, but most of it can be turned off or removed | 18:37 |
| charlie-tca | If you remove it, including the configuration file, the next update puts it back | 18:38 |
| Wizard | i guess it does not work with nfs ;) | 18:38 |
| charlie-tca | I gave up fighting it back about 8.04, my self | 18:38 |
| Wizard | why the hell all linux distros are dropping old unix daemons in favour of windoze like, python crap? | 18:39 |
| Wizard | :S | 18:39 |
| well_laid_lawn | just put the nfs mounts in /etc/fstab | 18:39 |
| Wizard | that's what I do, but it is a bit confusing with notebooks | 18:39 |
| well_laid_lawn | how? | 18:40 |
| Wizard | so for example i have my wife's exports mounted and she closes the lid | 18:40 |
| Wizard | and, I don't have static addressing at home | 18:40 |
| well_laid_lawn | thunar will hang for a bit but then it sorts itself out | 18:41 |
| Wizard | hmm | 18:41 |
| Wizard | actually, I need to test it :) | 18:41 |
| Wizard | I always shout :D | 18:41 |
| well_laid_lawn | nothing like looking if you want to see something | 18:42 |
| well_laid_lawn | :) | 18:42 |
| Legendre | How do I set up samba on Karmic? | 18:45 |
| Wizard | on karmic? | 18:46 |
| Wizard | are you joking? | 18:46 |
| Legendre | On karmic. | 18:46 |
| Legendre | No, why.. is that funny? | 18:46 |
| Wizard | no, it's not | 18:47 |
| Wizard | karmic is a bit.. old | 18:47 |
| moetunes | !karmic | 18:47 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) was the eleventh release of Ubuntu. !End-Of-Life on April 29th 2011, see http://goo.gl/UUTAB for details. | 18:47 |
| Wizard | ah, just as I thought | 18:47 |
| moetunes | it's past it's used by date | 18:48 |
| charlie-tca | Yes, it is End Of Life, however, if anyone remembers how, feel free to help with that | 18:48 |
| Wizard | Legendre, as everywhere, you have to install samba (if it is not installed already) and edit smb.conf | 18:49 |
| charlie-tca | Legendre: maybe this will help you, but your system is greatly out of date, and no longer receives any security updates. | 18:49 |
| charlie-tca | !samba | Legendre | 18:49 |
| ubottu | Legendre: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT. | 18:49 |
| Legendre | Interoperability with Windows networks is a critical function, and I can't believe how much of a problem I've had trying to get it working. | 18:49 |
| charlie-tca | It is much easier to do in later releases | 18:49 |
| Legendre | lol charlie-tca | 18:50 |
| Wizard | samba is a piece of useless crap, just as windows and it's services (personal opinion) | 18:50 |
| Legendre | Sure, but I need to play with windows networks.. | 18:50 |
| Legendre | so, I need the samba | 18:50 |
| charlie-tca | It's not really critical for a lot of us. But then, anything you need that doesn't quite work becomes critical for you at the time. | 18:50 |
| Legendre | Err.. | 18:51 |
| * charlie-tca uses you to mean anyone, there. | 18:51 | |
| Wizard | Legendre, in general, samba setup is covered in details by hundreds of docs | 18:51 |
| charlie-tca | not necessarily *you*, Legendre , but you in general | 18:51 |
| Legendre | Linux needs simple and straightforward inter-op with Windows networks if it's to be taken (and USED) seriously. | 18:51 |
| Wizard | reading manual pages should be enough for basic setup | 18:51 |
| Wizard | Legendre, lol | 18:51 |
| Legendre | Wizard: sure, but I can't get it to fly. | 18:51 |
| charlie-tca | Why? It is a replacement for Windows, not a side by side operation | 18:52 |
| Wizard | Legendre, i could say the same about windows | 18:52 |
| Legendre | I'm not here to argue about that subject. | 18:52 |
| charlie-tca | Windows 98 is obsolete/out of date. Xubuntu karmic is obsolete/out of date | 18:52 |
| charlie-tca | seems like the same thing | 18:52 |
| Wizard | it isn't even posix compilant, lol | 18:52 |
| Wizard | Legendre, you started the flame first | 18:52 |
| Wizard | so, basically, what does not work? | 18:52 |
| Legendre | So in short, none of you actually know how to do this, so all you can do is talk crap about Windows. | 18:53 |
| Wizard | Legendre, you started that | 18:53 |
| charlie-tca | no, We know how to do it in current, supported releases | 18:53 |
| Wizard | and you didn't tell any details | 18:53 |
| Wizard | lol | 18:53 |
| Wizard | :) | 18:53 |
| charlie-tca | You are asking for support for an unsupported, unmaintained release | 18:53 |
| Legendre | No I did *not* - I simply stated the truth, that Linux/Ubuntu needs to have seamless inter-op with the DOMINANT commercial OS. | 18:54 |
| charlie-tca | Well, install Xubuntu 11.04. Support for windows is built in | 18:54 |
| Legendre | I think the fact that samba exists makes that point for me. | 18:54 |
| Wizard | Legendre, than why windows does not support nfs? | 18:54 |
| Wizard | all commercial dominant unixen supported it when windows appeared | 18:55 |
| Wizard | sish | 18:55 |
| Wizard | k, enough, i finally got my launchpad back :) | 18:55 |
| Wizard | knome, ping | 18:56 |
| Wizard | (lunchpad) | 18:57 |
| shadow98 | anybody know of any proper instructions for setting up xvnc11 on xfce | 19:01 |
| charlie-tca | !vnc | 19:01 |
| ubottu | VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX | 19:01 |
| charlie-tca | !FreeNX | 19:02 |
| ubottu | FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX | 19:02 |
| Wizard | knome, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/817176 | 19:07 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 817176 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "Language selector does not affect all system aspects" [Undecided,New] | 19:07 |
| Wizard | what should i do to mark this bug as xubuntu related? | 19:08 |
| charlie-tca | add a tag "xubuntu" | 19:13 |
| charlie-tca | without the quotes | 19:13 |
| Wizard | charlie-tca ;) | 19:15 |
| Wizard | eh.. | 19:16 |
| charlie-tca | I wonder if it works the same way in Ubuntu? | 19:17 |
| Wizard | hmm? | 19:18 |
| Wizard | language selector? | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | yes | 19:18 |
| Wizard | I'm allmost sure | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | If it doesn't affect everything in Xubuntu, it should be the same for Ubuntu | 19:18 |
| Wizard | especially shell variables | 19:19 |
| Wizard | also, Thunar does not display dates correctly, but i think it's a separate issue | 19:19 |
| Wizard | or not :/ | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | Of course, I have seen other apps that don't work right for us, but do work in Ubuntu. Makes for more fun | 19:19 |
| Wizard | lol | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | Thunar pulls the dates from locale, I believe. So if it doesn't switch correctly, the date will be the wrong format | 19:20 |
| Wizard | they are | 19:22 |
| Wizard | year is first o_O | 19:22 |
| Wizard | than month, than day | 19:22 |
| charlie-tca | How do you want them? That part might be built into thunar, I think. It is that way on my computer, in Idaho | 19:23 |
| charlie-tca | English, Mountain Time | 19:23 |
| charlie-tca | It only gives me 4 choices in Thunar preferences | 19:24 |
| Wizard | i want them just as locale say | 19:24 |
| Wizard | and polish locale say (and language authorities) say: day, month, year | 19:24 |
| charlie-tca | I am thinking that will be a separate bug for Thunar itself. | 19:25 |
| charlie-tca | I don't think thunar gives more choices. In the USA, it should be month day, year | 19:25 |
| Wizard | hey, I can test it.. | 19:25 |
| charlie-tca | But that is not a choice | 19:25 |
| Wizard | hmm, how does third option look like with your US locales? | 19:27 |
| Wizard | seems it uses %c from strftime.. | 19:29 |
| charlie-tca | That's going to take a bit | 19:29 |
| Wizard | for me it says: śro, 27 lip 2011, 21:30:01 | 19:30 |
| charlie-tca | Day_of_week Date Month year time PM time_zone | 19:30 |
| charlie-tca | Yours is 24 hour clock, mine is 12 hour clock | 19:30 |
| charlie-tca | the fourth option gives me time in 24 hour clock | 19:31 |
| Wizard | also, no timezone, since Poland lies in only one ;P | 19:31 |
| Wizard | same | 19:31 |
| charlie-tca | Pretty sure all that is thunar, not locale | 19:31 |
| Wizard | so, 1st, 2nd and 4th are hardcoded, 3rd is locale based | 19:31 |
| Wizard | no bug :> | 19:32 |
| charlie-tca | nope | 19:33 |
| charlie-tca | third in the USA should be month day, year. We never use day month year | 19:33 |
| Sysi | (man you're weird) | 19:33 |
| charlie-tca | Compared to most of the world? I agree | 19:34 |
| charlie-tca | 12 hour clocks and screwed up date formats. What a life! | 19:35 |
| Wizard | :D | 19:42 |
| Wizard | charlie-tca, so it's wrong on your locales? | 19:43 |
| Wizard | try date "+%c" | 19:43 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 19:43 |
| charlie-tca | That gives it correctly for here, month day, year | 19:43 |
| charlie-tca | well, actually, month day time year | 19:44 |
| Wizard | o_O | 19:45 |
| charlie-tca | so it's back to being thunar itself | 19:47 |
| charlie-tca | but for myself, it was never a bug worth touching, since I usually change the dates to year month day for myself. | 19:48 |
| Wizard | hmm | 19:49 |
| Wizard | seems I will have to join xfce devel team :D | 19:49 |
| Wizard | (after graduating) | 19:50 |
| Wizard | but now time to conquer Europe! | 19:51 |
| Wizard | see you later | 19:51 |
| charlie-tca | Have fun | 19:56 |
| knome | Wizard, thanks | 20:01 |
| Wizard | k, I've added myself to xubuntu users launchpad team | 20:30 |
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