[00:51] <codyz06> hi, does anyone know how to fix thunar in xubuntu 11.04? It hangs at first launch and gives a "The folder could not be opened" error
[02:56] <Derpadong> Ive got a question
[06:32] <ushills> hi, looking for some help with thunar on 11.04, currently it takes around 15-20seconds from entering thunar in a terminal to the window appearing, could it be anything to do with ubuntu one.
[09:42] <CaelThunderwing> got a question.. whats a proper way to get back to Command line Other than Killing gdm? because while im trying to compile this laptop im using is a tad dated so i wanna free up any resources i can but i've run into a few missing packages i need
[09:42] <CaelThunderwing> so aftre killing gdm i cannot gain network access unless i restart.. and its  apain Just to get back to command prompt.
[09:47] <Sysi> CaelThunderwing: when you're on GUI, go to network preferences and set wifi connection to be available to all users, if it still doesn't work, see cnetworkmanager
[09:51] <CaelThunderwing> there hasto be a better way tojust Kill the UI than Stopping gdm
[09:52] <TheSheep> CaelThunderwing: you can enable alt+ctrl+backspace
[09:53] <TheSheep> CaelThunderwing: but that will also kill the network manager that keeps your connection
[10:01] <CaelThunderwing> how would i enable it? and i could always restart the network manager
[10:05] <Wizard> hi!
[10:22] <ushills> Can anyone help my with thunar, it takes an age to start
[10:37] <simple55> hi, out there
[10:38] <simple55> i just installed 10.04LTS / xfce on my thinkpad x20 - runs well
[10:44] <Wizard> hi simple55
[10:44] <Wizard> good choice
[10:45] <Wizard> ushills: i have same issue too
[10:45] <Wizard> nah, he's gone
[10:45] <Sysi> it's "feature"
[10:47] <Wizard> how to uninstall it than?
[10:47] <Wizard> :>
[10:48] <Sysi> you can use other filemanager
[10:54] <simple55> i just made some coffee
[10:55] <simple55> but thinkfan is not runnig - no cooling
[10:55] <Wizard> seems cpu is cold enough ;)
[10:56] <simple55> yes :-)  600
[10:59] <simple55> i am searching thinkwiki - problem piix4 and sensors
[10:59] <Wizard> 600 what? kilograms? :P
[10:59] <simple55> Mhz
[11:00] <floppsy> hello everybody.
[11:00] <Wizard> hi floppsy
[11:02] <floppsy> I have a problem with the X server and radeonhd 2400.
[11:03] <floppsy> It works, but only with the fbdev driver. It used to work even without the xorg.conf file.
[11:06] <Wizard> i think x configuration has been changed in natty
[11:08] <floppsy> it worked in natty. I had to reinstall, and because first install worked fine, I did not back up anything, I thought it work again.
[11:10] <Wizard> o_O
[11:10] <Wizard> what kind of problems?
[11:11] <floppsy> with the fbdev driver it works fine, as long as I do not open a lot of windows and don't need any 2D/3d accelration.
[11:12] <floppsy> As soon as I do not use a xorg.conf file with fbdev as driver, screen stays black.
[11:13] <floppsy> with nomodeset enabled I can switch to a virtual terminal and login and so on.
[11:13] <floppsy> without screen stays black, but I could do things blind.
[11:17] <Wizard> I think I can't help you, I've never dug much into x configuration..
[11:18] <floppsy> no problem. thanks so far
[12:10] <Wizard> why doesn't xubunut set LC_ALL, but LANG only?
[12:11] <knome> set LC_ALL where
[12:11] <Wizard> in system
[12:11] <Wizard> i've chosen my language in 'languages' but it set only LANG
[12:11] <knome> yes, because language (LANG) is not locale (LC_ALL) !
[12:12] <Wizard> hmm
[12:13] <knome> locale also changes measurement units etc
[12:13] <knome> language is just part of the locale
[12:13] <Wizard> sane reasoning
[12:13] <knome> i, for example, use english language, but finnish measurement/time/etc
[12:15] <Wizard> hmm, in Languages settings, Regional settings tab, I see dates, numbers and currencies format: polish
[12:15] <knome> yeah, those change LC_*
[12:15] <knome> (supposedly at least... :))
[12:15] <Wizard> hehe, seems not :)
[12:16] <Wizard> echoin LC_* are empty in shell and thunar shows dates in wrong format
[12:16] <knome> hmm
[12:16] <knome> time to file a bug then
[12:16] <Wizard> yup
[12:17] <Wizard> again ;)
[12:18] <knome> Wizard, can you also paste me the bug link when you've reported it? thanks
[12:18] <Wizard> sure
[12:21] <jn_> is it possible to have thunderbird run as an applet in the notification area ?
[12:23] <Wizard> hmm, i've found few links how to do it
[12:24] <Wizard> most of them offered installation of some packages or scripts, i was to lazy to check what's inside and automatically decided they are malicious
[12:25] <Wizard> dammit, i forgot launchpad password
[12:25] <Wizard> knome, I'll report it later, at home
[12:29] <knome> Wizard, okey, no problem. just hilight me or send a PM :)
[12:29] <Wizard> ok
[13:23] <SaaMmY> someone knows how I can sobstitute my thunar with nautilus?
[13:23] <SaaMmY> I installed yet nautilus
[13:23] <SaaMmY> Should I remove thunar or not?
[13:25] <Sysi> settings → preferred applications → file manager
[13:26] <SaaMmY> in preferred applications I have not file manager
[13:28] <Sysi> oh, what xubuntu version?
[13:28] <SaaMmY> 11.04
[13:28] <Sysi> should be..
[13:33] <SaaMmY> If I go on synaptic and I try to remove thunar... it will remove also xubuntu-desktop
[13:34] <Sysi> that is metapackage, not needed
[13:34] <Sysi> just need to be careful that it doesn't remove your xfce
[13:36] <SaaMmY> also in xfce4-settings-editor I don't find file manager or whatelse similar
[13:56] <SaaMmY> how to open file manager in xfce? with terminal?
[14:39] <SaaMmY> I have found some script to sobstitute nautilus with thunar... but not the contrary https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager
[14:46] <charlie-tca> That's because making nautilus default file manager simply requires removing thunar
[14:46] <charlie-tca> or, in most cases, installing nautilus. It will take over
[15:01] <SaaMmY> I was wrong the script works for both senses
[15:01] <SaaMmY> also to have nautilus instead of thunar
[15:58] <SaaMmY> I have used this script https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager but it make appear on my terminal an error for nautilus...
[15:58] <SaaMmY> (nautilus:2809): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[15:58] <SaaMmY> (nautilus:2809): GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_format_get_name: assertion `format != NULL' failed
[15:58] <SaaMmY> what is it?
[16:01] <charlie-tca> You should ask in #ubuntu. They work with nautilus more than we do
[16:01] <SaaMmY> you are right
[17:03] <bl00dy> hey all how can i change the password of the user in xubuntu cz i forgot it :S ?
[17:04] <bl00dy> pls anybody help  i can't install the updates :(
[17:05] <lighta> passwd user ?
[17:05] <lighta> bl00dy,
[17:06] <bl00dy> it says your current password
[17:06] <lighta> ah do you know root one ? at least ?
[17:06] <bl00dy> no
[17:06] <bl00dy> :(
[17:07] <lighta> how did you log in your session ?
[17:07] <bl00dy>  i just installed xubuntu now :S im new
[17:07] <lighta> you just installed and forgot pass already ???
[17:08] <bl00dy> yeah it was first time that i install linux :S
[17:08] <bl00dy> i think i should install it again :(
[17:08] <lighta> well that should be the quicker way, but you should note pass somewhere
[17:09] <bl00dy> what about to chose recovery mode ?
[18:01] <shadow98> hey guys what is best way to get vnc on xubuntu and configred from remote..
[18:01]  * Wizard has no idea
[18:01] <Wizard> good evening
[18:01] <Sysi> !best
[18:01] <Sysi> but you could try vino
[18:01] <orngjce223> Does VNC has a support channel?
[18:02] <orngjce223> That would be a better place to ask.
[18:02] <Wizard> isn't it a client?
[18:02] <Sysi> no, vino is server
[18:02] <Wizard> i thought it was this lame gnome thing
[18:02] <Sysi> it's gnome's server :P
[18:02] <Sysi> vnc is protocol, they wouldn't support all clients/servers anyway
[18:02] <Wizard> nah, so it does not start session in background?
[18:03] <Sysi> didn't when I last tried
[18:03] <Sysi> !vnc
[18:03] <Wizard> pff
[18:03] <Wizard> i prefere xdmcp
[18:03] <Wizard> or ssh -X :D
[18:06] <Sysi> xdmcp has been made hard these days
[18:06] <Wizard> unfortunately!
[18:07] <Sysi> though I basically never use computer remotely with gui
[18:07] <Wizard> 2 versions of gdm ago it required ticking on checkbox in gdm-setup
[18:07] <Wizard> now, i'm not even sure if gdm supports
[18:07] <Sysi> on kdm it's still usable option I think
[18:08] <Wizard> hmm, kdm requires ton of kde deps
[18:09] <Sysi> even if you have antire kde and gnome installed along xfce you won't have more than 6GB root used
[18:10] <Wizard> 6GB is too much
[18:10] <Wizard> even 2GB is too much
[18:11] <Sysi> 10gb is getting quite big but I could deal with 15
[18:11] <Sysi> win7sp1 is about 20gb
[18:11] <Wizard> that is awful
[18:11] <Sysi> and I'm using 32GB ssd
[18:11] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu now requires a minimum of 4.4GB
[18:12] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Oneiric will install in 2GB or less, I think. The lowest I tried so far is 1.9GB
[18:14] <Wizard> brb, "you need to reboot" :P
[18:16] <pimperle> hi
[18:17] <Wizard> hi pimperle
[18:17] <pimperle> on an uptodate natty the thunderbird window is a little bit transparent when active. i disabled all transparency by setting the sliders fully to the right
[18:17] <pimperle> is this a feature i might have accidentally activated on an active windows (tb)?
[18:18] <Wizard> accidentally?
[18:18] <TheSheep> pimperle: hold down alt, put your mouse cursor on the window's title bar and move your scrollwheel
[18:18] <Wizard> yup
[18:19] <pimperle> ah, thanks
[18:19] <Wizard> lol
[18:20] <pimperle> i already tried every combination of the wheel and alt,ctrl,shift but only scrolled with the cursor somewhere inside the window
[18:20] <TheSheep> yeah, it's quite obscure
[18:34] <Wizard> ok, while i see some traffic here, I ask my question again. Is there any gui avahi browser for xubuntu?
[18:35] <well_laid_lawn> !find avahi
[18:36] <charlie-tca> and the answer is... ?
[18:36] <well_laid_lawn> check the link at the end I guess
[18:36] <charlie-tca> Wizard: I don't know, myself. Avahi is one of those apps that gets in my way using static IP's on a local network
[18:36] <well_laid_lawn> I remember gnome used to have one
[18:37] <Wizard> hmm
[18:37] <Wizard> do i need that crap at all?
[18:37] <Wizard> :)
[18:37] <charlie-tca> There are a couple of files that have to stay, but most of it can be turned off or removed
[18:38] <charlie-tca> If you remove it, including the configuration file, the next update puts it back
[18:38] <Wizard> i guess it does not work with nfs ;)
[18:38] <charlie-tca> I gave up fighting it back about 8.04, my self
[18:39] <Wizard> why the hell all linux distros are dropping old unix daemons in favour of windoze like, python crap?
[18:39] <Wizard> :S
[18:39] <well_laid_lawn> just put the nfs mounts in /etc/fstab
[18:39] <Wizard> that's what I do, but it is a bit confusing with notebooks
[18:40] <well_laid_lawn> how?
[18:40] <Wizard> so for example i have my wife's exports mounted and she closes the lid
[18:40] <Wizard> and, I don't have static addressing at home
[18:41] <well_laid_lawn> thunar will hang for a bit but then it sorts itself out
[18:41] <Wizard> hmm
[18:41] <Wizard> actually, I need to test it :)
[18:41] <Wizard> I always shout :D
[18:42] <well_laid_lawn> nothing like looking if you want to see something
[18:42] <well_laid_lawn> :)
[18:45] <Legendre> How do I set up samba on Karmic?
[18:46] <Wizard> on karmic?
[18:46] <Wizard> are you joking?
[18:46] <Legendre> On karmic.
[18:46] <Legendre> No, why.. is that funny?
[18:47] <Wizard> no, it's not
[18:47] <Wizard> karmic is a bit.. old
[18:47] <moetunes> !karmic
[18:47] <Wizard> ah, just as I thought
[18:48] <moetunes> it's past it's used by date
[18:48] <charlie-tca> Yes, it is End Of Life, however, if anyone remembers how, feel free to help with that
[18:49] <Wizard> Legendre, as everywhere, you have to install samba (if it is not installed already) and edit smb.conf
[18:49] <charlie-tca> Legendre: maybe this will help you, but your system is greatly out of date, and no longer receives any security updates.
[18:49] <charlie-tca> !samba | Legendre
[18:49] <Legendre> Interoperability with Windows networks is a critical function, and I can't believe how much of a problem I've had trying to get it working.
[18:49] <charlie-tca> It is much easier to do in later releases
[18:50] <Legendre> lol charlie-tca
[18:50] <Wizard> samba is a piece of useless crap, just as windows and it's services (personal opinion)
[18:50] <Legendre> Sure, but I need to play with windows networks..
[18:50] <Legendre> so, I need the samba
[18:50] <charlie-tca> It's not really critical for a lot of us. But then, anything you need that doesn't quite work becomes critical for you at the time.
[18:51] <Legendre> Err..
[18:51]  * charlie-tca uses you to mean anyone, there.
[18:51] <Wizard> Legendre, in general, samba setup is covered in details by hundreds of docs
[18:51] <charlie-tca> not necessarily *you*, Legendre , but you in general
[18:51] <Legendre> Linux needs simple and straightforward inter-op with Windows networks if it's to be taken (and USED) seriously.
[18:51] <Wizard> reading manual pages should be enough for basic setup
[18:51] <Wizard> Legendre, lol
[18:51] <Legendre> Wizard: sure, but I can't get it to fly.
[18:52] <charlie-tca> Why? It is a replacement for Windows, not a side by side operation
[18:52] <Wizard> Legendre, i could say the same about windows
[18:52] <Legendre> I'm not here to argue about that subject.
[18:52] <charlie-tca> Windows 98 is obsolete/out of date. Xubuntu karmic is obsolete/out of date
[18:52] <charlie-tca> seems like the same thing
[18:52] <Wizard> it isn't even posix compilant, lol
[18:52] <Wizard> Legendre, you started the flame first
[18:52] <Wizard> so, basically, what does not work?
[18:53] <Legendre> So in short, none of you actually know how to do this, so all you can do is talk crap about Windows.
[18:53] <Wizard> Legendre, you started that
[18:53] <charlie-tca> no, We know how to do it in current, supported releases
[18:53] <Wizard> and you didn't tell any details
[18:53] <Wizard> lol
[18:53] <Wizard> :)
[18:53] <charlie-tca> You are asking for support for an unsupported, unmaintained release
[18:54] <Legendre> No I did *not* - I simply stated the truth, that Linux/Ubuntu needs to have seamless inter-op with the DOMINANT commercial OS.
[18:54] <charlie-tca> Well, install Xubuntu 11.04. Support for windows is built in
[18:54] <Legendre> I think the fact that samba exists makes that point for me.
[18:54] <Wizard> Legendre, than why windows does not support nfs?
[18:55] <Wizard> all commercial dominant unixen supported it when windows appeared
[18:55] <Wizard> sish
[18:55] <Wizard> k, enough, i finally got my launchpad back :)
[18:56] <Wizard> knome, ping
[18:57] <Wizard> (lunchpad)
[19:01] <shadow98> anybody know of any proper instructions for setting up xvnc11 on xfce
[19:01] <charlie-tca> !vnc
[19:02] <charlie-tca> !FreeNX
[19:07] <Wizard> knome, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/817176
[19:08] <Wizard> what should i do to mark this bug as xubuntu related?
[19:13] <charlie-tca> add a tag "xubuntu"
[19:13] <charlie-tca> without the quotes
[19:15] <Wizard> charlie-tca ;)
[19:16] <Wizard> eh..
[19:17] <charlie-tca> I wonder if it works the same way in Ubuntu?
[19:18] <Wizard> hmm?
[19:18] <Wizard> language selector?
[19:18] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:18] <Wizard> I'm allmost sure
[19:18] <charlie-tca> If it doesn't affect everything in Xubuntu, it should be the same for Ubuntu
[19:19] <Wizard> especially shell variables
[19:19] <Wizard> also, Thunar does not display dates correctly, but i think it's a separate issue
[19:19] <Wizard> or not :/
[19:19] <charlie-tca> Of course, I have seen other apps that don't work right for us, but do work in Ubuntu. Makes for more fun
[19:19] <Wizard> lol
[19:20] <charlie-tca> Thunar pulls the dates from locale, I believe. So if it doesn't switch correctly, the date will be the wrong format
[19:22] <Wizard> they are
[19:22] <Wizard> year is first o_O
[19:22] <Wizard> than month, than day
[19:23] <charlie-tca> How do you want them? That part might be built into thunar, I think. It is that way on my computer, in Idaho
[19:23] <charlie-tca> English, Mountain Time
[19:24] <charlie-tca> It only gives me 4 choices in Thunar preferences
[19:24] <Wizard> i want them just as locale say
[19:24] <Wizard> and polish locale say (and language authorities) say: day, month, year
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I am thinking that will be a separate bug for Thunar itself.
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I don't think thunar gives more choices. In the USA, it should be month day, year
[19:25] <Wizard> hey, I can test it..
[19:25] <charlie-tca> But that is not a choice
[19:27] <Wizard> hmm, how does third option look like with your US locales?
[19:29] <Wizard> seems it uses %c from strftime..
[19:29] <charlie-tca> That's going to take a bit
[19:30] <Wizard> for me it says: śro, 27 lip 2011, 21:30:01
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Day_of_week Date Month year time PM time_zone
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Yours is 24 hour clock, mine is 12 hour clock
[19:31] <charlie-tca> the fourth option gives me time in 24 hour clock
[19:31] <Wizard> also, no timezone, since Poland lies in only one ;P
[19:31] <Wizard> same
[19:31] <charlie-tca> Pretty sure all that is thunar, not locale
[19:31] <Wizard> so, 1st, 2nd and 4th are hardcoded, 3rd is locale based
[19:32] <Wizard> no bug :>
[19:33] <charlie-tca> nope
[19:33] <charlie-tca> third in the USA should be month day, year. We never use day month year
[19:33] <Sysi> (man you're weird)
[19:34] <charlie-tca> Compared to most of the world? I agree
[19:35] <charlie-tca> 12 hour clocks and screwed up date formats. What a life!
[19:42] <Wizard> :D
[19:43] <Wizard> charlie-tca, so it's wrong on your locales?
[19:43] <Wizard> try date "+%c"
[19:43] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:43] <charlie-tca> That gives it correctly for here, month day, year
[19:44] <charlie-tca> well, actually, month day time year
[19:45] <Wizard> o_O
[19:47] <charlie-tca> so it's back to being thunar itself
[19:48] <charlie-tca> but for myself, it was never a bug worth touching, since I usually change the dates to year month day for myself.
[19:49] <Wizard> hmm
[19:49] <Wizard> seems I will have to join xfce devel team :D
[19:50] <Wizard> (after graduating)
[19:51] <Wizard> but now time to conquer Europe!
[19:51] <Wizard> see you later
[19:56] <charlie-tca> Have fun
[20:01] <knome> Wizard, thanks
[20:30] <Wizard> k, I've added myself to xubuntu users launchpad team