[00:49] Fixing okular [00:54] Done [01:50] OK. Not done. Fixing harder. [01:54] :-) [02:35] OK. Let's try that. [03:20] marble done [03:42] Doing kdegames [03:45] kdegames done. [03:45] Off to bed with me. [07:42] morning [07:47] good morning veryone :) [07:48] is there an ETA for KDE 4.7 in 11.04? [07:53] Mamarok: it's packaged, kde 4.7 will be moved in kubuntu-ppa really soon :) [07:54] bambee: nice! === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [09:48] Greetings [09:49] Mamarok: I will continue uploading to oneiric now [09:52] * Quintasan looks at blinken [09:55] Quintasan: OK === timblechmann is now known as tim [10:07] cantor and blinken uploaded === hunger_ is now known as hunger [10:11] * Quintasan looks at kalgebra [10:14] kalgebra done [10:16] * Quintasan looks at kalzium [10:20] kalzium uploaded [10:23] * Quintasan looks at kamera [10:26] kamera uploaded [10:27] * Quintasan looks at kanagram [10:32] apachelogger: How does one setup bzr magic so commits get reported here? [10:33] kanagram uploaded [10:36] * Quintasan looks at kbruch [10:37] [kbruch] Michal Zajac * 11 * debian/changelog Releasing version 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1 [10:37] oh [10:37] \o/ [10:37] kbruch uploaded [10:39] [kcolorchooser] Michal Zajac * 6 * debian/changelog Releasing version 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1 [10:42] * Quintasan goes on a break [10:46] * ScottK just hit retry on the 4.7.0 FTBFS. [11:04] Quintasan: TF2 in 25 minutes? [11:10] * nigelb renames channel to #kubuntu-devel-gamers :P [11:11] * apachelogger whips shadeslayer with a rusty pipe [11:16] nigelb: feel free to rename it into #kubuntu-deve-offtopic, but I think the new -devel channel would be pretty vacant :P [11:22] shadeslayer: I'ma playin Heroes of Newerth now, are you going to be able to play in ~1h? [11:22] Quintasan: sure no problem [11:22] shadeslayer: MEEEEEEEEEEEDIC! [11:22] Quintasan: gimme your steam id [11:23] shadeslayer: Quintasan [11:23] :D [11:24] kdone [11:25] http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qml-coding-conventions.html [11:25] who'd have known that there is such a thing for lame qml [11:25] http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qml-coding-conventions.html#private-properties [11:25] that is what I like best :D [11:28] why not? That procedure at least got enough testing :P [12:15] shadeslayer: no problems with the lastest version of steam ? [12:27] yofel: heh [12:28] problem found, I need libGL.so.1 in 32bits o_O [12:30] bambee: nope [12:31] shadeslayer: wine is 32bits, I get this error "err:module:load_builtin_dll failed to load .so lib for builtin L"OPENGL32.dll": libGL.so.1" [12:31] I need the 32 bits version [12:32] and pb will be fixed, I think [12:32] shadeslayer: TF2 nao [12:32] Quintasan: join me game etc [12:32] what, tf2? where? [13:15] Quintasan, shadeslayer: are you guys going to finish artwork and plasma-addons or should I do it? [13:16] yofel: Do them since I have limited upload options now [13:17] k [13:17] WoW is derp :/ [13:21] yofel: i uploaded artwork iirc [13:21] indeed you did, but forgot about the wiki.. [13:33] * yofel does some upgrade tests in natty [13:40] Quintasan: didja close it? [14:08] shadeslayer: Did I close what? [14:24] yofel: you should send a mail to kubuntu-devel if you want to have the meeting tomorrow [14:29] Quintasan: steam [14:45] Is kde 4.7 currently building for 11.04? [14:47] debfx: on mobile currently, I'll send it when I get home (in ~30m) [14:55] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegames] Philip Muškovac * 130 * debian/ (changelog control) Bump klickety breaks/replaces on ksame to 4:4.6.80 to catch Natty 4.6.5 packages. [14:57] yofel: Can I just use kopypackages now? [15:00] ScottK: ^^ to natty I mean [15:03] Hmm should it go to backports or to updates? [15:03] Policy, policy everywhere [15:09] Quintasan: backports, but we're not even remotely finished [15:09] yofel: With natty? [15:09] or how many positive testing feedbacks have you gotten so far? [15:09] Mine doesnt count? [15:09] I only have one failed upgrade test [15:14] I see [15:14] conflicts [15:15] yofel: plasma-scriptengine-declarative breaks stuff [15:18] http://i.imgur.com/Kixkp.png [15:18] brrr [15:18] no conflicts here, although plasma-scriptengine-declarative gets removed here [15:19] I get a ton of overwrite errors [15:19] brrrrrrrrrr - out of battery, bbl [15:19] kde-baseapps-data depends on kdebase-data [15:19] transitional stuff [15:19] so 15 removal is good [15:20] plasma-scriptengine-declarative gets removed here too [15:27] yofel: Apart from those removals, smooth update here [15:27] no overwrites [15:31] hmm [15:31] plasma and kde deamon crashed after login [15:32] yofel: well it works now [15:33] JontheEchidna: Do you have a natty vm? [15:33] k, home again [15:33] Quintasan: maybe [15:33] Quintasan: that's a 4.6.2 -> 4.7.0 upgade I guess [15:33] yofel: kded crashes on startup here [15:33] test 4.6.5 -> 4.7.0 please [15:33] Oh [15:34] I'm just on my lunch break, so I won't be able to really do any testing until 17:30 GMT -4 [15:34] (In 6 hours) [15:36] saw some TF2 love in the chat logs. Y'all should add me: http://steamcommunity.com/id/echidnaman [15:37] yay @ purging whole kde just to test update [15:39] * yofel suggests using a chroot [15:41] JontheEchidna: darn, i just rebooted into kubuntu, will add you later then :) [15:45] My favorite classes are Soldier/Engie/Medic for Offense/Defense/Support [15:46] * debfx <3 demoman [15:47] "Ahm drunk; Yew dun have an excuse" [15:50] debfx: are all of the background images now in kde-workspace-data-extras? [15:50] you've got a broken link btw. [15:50] debian/kde-workspace-data.links:usr/share/wallpapers/Horos/contents/images/1920x1200.png usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default/1920x1200/background.png [15:50] or... nvm [15:51] debfx: i couldn't control the demoman properly [15:51] for me its pyro/engineer/medic [15:52] * shadeslayer grumbles about broken SIP [15:53] * Quintasan installs 4.6.5 [15:55] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 539 * debian/ (changelog control) Bump various breaks/replaces to catch the 4.6.5 packages. [15:57] JontheEchidna: MEEEEEDIC [15:57] Today is good day to be spy [15:58] * Quintasan goes for a nap [15:59] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 185 * debian/ (changelog control) Bump various breaks/replaces to catch 4.6.5 packages [16:03] welp, back to it. I'll be home in 5 1/2 hours [16:04] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdeedu] Philip Muškovac * 9 * debian/ (changelog control) Bump various breaks replaces to catch 4.6.5 packages [16:07] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kalzium] Philip Muškovac * 10 * debian/ (changelog control) Bump breaks/replaces on libkdeedu4 to catch 4.6.5 packages [16:07] yofel: no, just a few ksplash background images [16:09] k [16:09] yofel: the version of kdesdk was wrong 1ubuntu1 vs. 0ubuntu1 [16:09] -.- [16:10] thanks for noticing [16:12] ScottK: if you have some time, could you accept kde-workspace-data-extras and kde-wallpapers-default from binary new [16:15] ScottK: smoke stuff should be stuck in source new too [16:23] JontheEchidna: if you see a friend request on steam from someone with a kitty as avatar, that's me :D [16:54] yofel: new nm09 snapshot works in neon, uploading [16:57] hm, now what apt-get wants to remove doesn't match with what aptitude wants to remove [16:57] should we backport/fix kubuntu-desktop btw.? (I tend to yes) [16:58] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [16:58] kdiff3 needs a rebuild as always... [16:58] hey _Groo_ [16:59] <_Groo_> yofel: hey hey [16:59] <_Groo_> yofel: just waiting for you to stpo uploading stuff ;) and ill update :D [16:59] <_Groo_> such a buzy bee [16:59] <_Groo_> busy [16:59] <_Groo_> yofel: are you gonna package telephaty too? [16:59] <_Groo_> telepathy [17:00] I probably not, shadeslayer and Quintasan know more about it [17:00] <_Groo_> little dislexic today [17:00] <_Groo_> k if no one will i might do it this weekend [17:00] <_Groo_> kinda curious to see how far they went so fa [17:00] <_Groo_> far [17:00] <_Groo_> have been following the blogs, but a real experience its always better [17:00] _Groo_: afaik the plan is to just use the debian packaging [17:01] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: k [17:01] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im gonna do it for personal consumption then [17:01] _Groo_: Quintasan might need a hand ;) [17:01] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: like im doing with calligra :D [17:02] :) [17:02] btw. can someone please upload kdevelop 4.2.3 to oneiric please now that kdesdk 4.7.0 is up? [17:03] -please [17:03] add libindi + the one other driver to that list as well [17:05] bah, workspace still fails *-.- [17:15] <_Groo_> yofel: no workspaces no update ;) [17:15] nah, I tried it before new workspace was built on amd64 -.- [17:16] still not finished... [17:16] <_Groo_> ah i just updated, i use amd64.. and it build correctly :D [17:16] <_Groo_> i should update in a hour or so [17:16] what kde did you have before? [17:16] <_Groo_> then ill see whats broke, hunt you down and biitch slap you [17:16] <_Groo_> 4.6.x [17:17] what x? 2 is ok, 5 breaks here [17:17] <_Groo_> latest from backports === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [17:17] updates would be 5 [17:17] <_Groo_> its 5 [17:17] <_Groo_> well then you better hide :D [17:19] if it breaks just run apt again, shouldn't lock itself in a loop [17:21] gaaaah === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [17:21] * yofel is drowning in mail from rosetta [17:27] Quintasan: you wanted to try kopypackages right? fancy copying kdepim/-runtime to experimental for oneiric? ^^ [17:30] * debfx reminds yofel of the kubuntu-devel mail :) [17:30] debfx: was just thinking about sending it or doing it monday... [17:31] then again, everyone will be in DS mood by then [17:31] * yofel sends mail [17:32] tomorrow is better, then you can help uploading 4.7.0 :P [17:32] ack [17:35] sent [17:39] also: I did some more testing on kdevelop 4.2.3 and if nobody finds any problems with it I'll move the natty packages to updates in an ~hour [17:42] yofel: k [17:43] _Groo_: I'm the "official" maintainer of telepathy-kde stack in Ubuntu [17:44] I have talked with gkiagia and we concluded Ubuntu will just use Debian packaging (we will eventually add our patches) [17:44] I have also set up daily builds PPA but it is not populated yet [17:46] yofel: Kopied [17:46] :D [17:47] :D [17:48] Testing natty 4.6.5 -> 4.7.0 upgrade now [17:48] * yofel does another try too [17:51] oops, backported the workspace mods from debfx without the wallpaper ones :S [17:53] BREKAGEE [17:54] sorry [17:54] kde-workspace-data depends kde-wallpapers-default -> UNSATIFIED [17:54] right, exactly that... [17:54] and [17:55] fixed wallpapers up [17:55] <_Groo_> Quintasan: nice... can you link the ppa? [17:56] kde-workspace apparently break libpowerdevilcore0 (UNSATISFIED) [17:56] I wonder wtf [17:56] _Groo_: https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde [17:57] wasn't that removed? [17:57] <_Groo_> yofel: btw i tested kdeveloper and its aparently working ok [17:57] <_Groo_> Quintasan: k tks [17:57] yofel: powerdevilcore? [17:57] right, it's gone [17:57] what depends on it? [18:00] yofel: kde-workspace [18:00] kde-workspace-bin [18:00] and kdebase-workspace* [18:00] trash kdebase* [18:01] yofel: http://i.imgur.com/fDNSz.png [18:01] That's what I'm left with [18:01] here it breaks it, but it doesn't depend on it [18:01] right, wait for wallpapers :/ [18:01] however it wants to keep kde-workspace uninstalled [18:04] hmm [18:04] yeah [18:04] wallpapers break runtime [18:04] That's all [18:04] it's the missing kde-wallpapers-default package that breaks everything [18:21] yofel: 13 removals, that's it [18:22] I'm getting 14, but looks about right [18:22] TEEEESTING [18:26] yay, upgrade test didn't error out \o/ [18:26] Same here [18:26] kubotu: order cookies for yofel [18:26] * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to yofel. [18:28] * kinta give thanks to yofel and Quintasan [18:28] I'll try to figure out if you can run kdepim 4.7 + kde 4.6 [18:29] yofel: NM widget b0rked [18:29] \o/ [18:29] Quintasan: where? [18:29] p-n or stable ? [18:29] ouch [18:29] natty 4.6.5 -> 4.7.0 upgrade [18:29] define borked? [18:29] ^^ [18:29] yofel: white cross in a red box [18:29] funny thing [18:30] if you click it it actually shows nm window [18:30] lol [18:30] but [18:30] no network card apparently [18:30] Quintasan: remove and re add plasmoid [18:30] same stuff bro [18:30] Do you think I'm not smart enough to try that? [18:30] ok, then its broken indeed [18:30] :P [18:31] But hell, rest works [18:31] just eliminating the possibilities here :D [18:31] might need a rebuild [18:32] It's plasma-widget-networkmanagment? [18:32] yep [18:34] It's networkmanagement in oneiric [18:35] wait, don't take the O one, that's for NM 0.9 [18:36] hmm [18:36] ScottK: ping [18:36] either rebuild the natty one or take a new master branch snapshot [18:37] * Quintasan wonders if he can just mash the rebuilt command or there is some sort of POLICY comming at him [18:37] Should I expect any complcations if I compile KDE 4.7 Source on my system (x86) and then install backport packages when they are available? [18:38] KubuntuUser: overwrites most likely [18:38] KubuntuUser: 4.7.0 should hit kubuntu-ppa later today [18:38] if you install in /usr/local the packages will get ignored [18:38] or /opt/kde/ ? [18:39] then it's up to how you set up your env [18:39] ok [18:39] * yofel goes copying kdevelop so staging is free [18:40] yofel: Wait, we need to pull the natty nm, rebuild it in our PPA, right-o? [18:41] would be my first try [18:41] hmm [18:42] will ubuntu3~ppa1 will superseed ubuntu2, right? [18:42] Will packages of KDE 4.7 be available for bug triaginging Natty as well? [18:42] and ubuntu3 would superseed ubuntu3~ppa1, right? [18:42] yep [18:42] KubuntuUser: You mean testing? [18:42] yes and bug triage [18:43] KubuntuUser: Most likely, but you will need debug libs to provide a useful stacktrace as usual [18:43] bug squad [18:44] hmm [18:44] yofel: plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.9~svngit20110408-0ubuntu3~natty1~ppa1 [18:44] :O [18:44] heh [18:44] yep, looooks about right [18:45] yofel: Uploaded, let's hope rebuild helps [18:45] which reminds me, I still need to figure out how to auto-build -dbg packages [18:45] >New mandatory build dependency for kde-workspaces [18:45] kde-packagers-- [18:45] mgraesslin was drinking too much beer :P [18:46] what? [18:46] :O [18:46] mgraesslin: your idea of making opengl mandatory for -workspace [18:46] oh btw. [18:46] yofel: any problem with that? [18:47] from us not really (I think) - though I understand that the gentoo folks etc. might not be too happy about it [18:47] mgraesslin: I've got kwin-gles package ready though apachelogger said some other packages will need readjustments. Can you tell me what can possibly be broken with GL ES now? [18:47] sorry got to go - back in about 1 h [18:51] Y U NO BUILD FASTER NETWORKMANAGER? [18:51] because your cpu sucks? [18:52] jussi: PROTIP: I already built it three times here, LP is sllllllllllllooooooooooow [18:52] I require beer [18:53] I think I had some in the fridge, brb [18:53] Y U NO PUBLISH FASTER LP? [18:53] LP == root of all evil [18:54] * Quintasan votes for LP to have a separate full-blown machine for KDE-only builds [18:54] Like, 16GB ramz so we can build Qt in tmpfs [18:55] and quad-core Phenom [18:55] \o/ upgrade to 4.7 via repos is a success in oneiric [18:55] I think launchpad servers must be having so many builds going on and lots of resource demand [18:55] shadeslayer: see +1 and try again :P [18:56] one eye rick? [18:56] let me try upgrading that too [18:56] yofel: updating [18:56] did i mention plasma is becoming a PITA [18:56] why? [18:57] PITA ? [18:57] Plasma and QML don't like my QStringList associated with one key [18:57] KubuntuUser: Pain In The Ass [18:57] ah, O is fine now [18:57] might have to re write my dataengine :P [18:57] I require more ram on my pc [18:58] * Quintasan will buy + 4GB DDR3 tomorrow [18:58] VirtualBox > kvm [18:58] Quintasan: yofel http://wstaw.org/m/2011/07/28/plasma-desktopr21294.jpg [18:59] that just popped up on #plasma [18:59] What be that [18:59] niiiiice [18:59] Desktop? [18:59] looks gnome-ish though [18:59] yeah :D [19:00] uh [19:01] The following packages will be REMOVED: [19:01] kde-window-manager kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin kubuntu-desktop [19:01] huh? [19:01] Where? [19:01] refresh ur sources [19:01] one-eye-ric [19:01] i just dud [19:01] s/dud/did/ [19:01] shadeslayer meant: "i just did" [19:01] :/ [19:01] I got that a while ago, your mirror is slow :P [19:01] kubotu: shut up, k? [19:01] bah [19:01] * yofel hits debfx [19:02] Unpacking kde-wallpapers-default (from .../kde-wallpapers-default_4%3a4.7.0-0ubuntu1~natty1~ppa2_all.deb) ... [19:02] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-wallpapers-default_4%3a4.7.0-0ubuntu1~natty1~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack): [19:02] trying to overwrite '/usr/share/wallpapers/Horos/contents/images/1920x1200.png', which is also in package kde-wallpapers 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 [19:02] yofel: sure, the main archives are slow [19:02] or wait, sorry debfx [19:02] that never made it into the archive [19:02] apachelogger: add bash to kubotu k? [19:03] yofel: you better watch out in tf2 now :P [19:03] ouch! [19:03] yofel is playing TF? [19:03] Quintasan: not yet [19:03] How about we raid some server after we release 4.7? [19:03] Quintasan: if he does, in the future [19:03] Quintasan: sure :P [19:05] shadeslayer: archive not fixed either, I just had natty ninjas enabled too which had the right package [19:05] needs scott to look at NEW [19:06] yus, so archives are broken -> alert +1 [19:06] I'm looking at too many archives at the same time @_@ [19:07] hahaha [19:12] fun, add staging to natty -> 79 removals ^^ [19:12] lol [19:13] want me to test the natty upgrade too? [19:13] wait a bit [19:14] then help me testing kdepim with 4.6 first [19:14] sure [19:14] but iirc i have KDE PIM 4.7 on the old machine [19:15] ah [19:15] * shadeslayer starts writing ugly workarounds around QML and Plasma === darkwingduck is now known as DarkwingDuck [19:26] Quintasan: NM seem fun -.- [19:27] *seems [19:30] great, now I have 275 removals [19:30] progress [19:40] bah, the kdepim packages obviously depend on kde-runtime :S [19:40] apachelogger: we can't conveniently say that people that want 4.7 on natty are adventurous enough for kdepim 4.7? ^^ [19:41] no we cant [19:42] thought as much... [19:42] then I'll need to write some dummy packages [19:58] yofel: rebuild implies more removals? [20:01] no, NM failed to build [20:01] the removals were about kdepim [20:07] :S [20:11] <_Groo_> is it safe to upgrade from ninja now? :D [20:11] <_Groo_> or wallpapers still breaking stuff? [20:11] no, ~safe - unless you don't want kdepim [20:12] although NM seems broken [20:12] <_Groo_> nm using 0.9 branch doesnt work with 0.8 [20:12] <_Groo_> which is the one in natty correct? [20:13] <_Groo_> you need to get 0.8 branch and recompile with 4.7 [20:13] we didn't backport the applet, but it didn't work and the rebuild just failed [20:13] <_Groo_> the author warned the 0.9 branch isnt compatible with 0.8 [20:13] I know, nm 0.8 and 0.9 are totally incompatible [20:13] <_Groo_> yofel: from what i see its the 0.9 branch [20:13] huh? [20:13] <_Groo_> 0.9~svngit20110408-0ubuntu3~natty1~ppa1 [20:14] <_Groo_> i think you guys need to pull from the 0.8 master tag [20:14] <_Groo_> for natty [20:14] . . . [20:14] Quintasan: . . . [20:14] <_Groo_> since natty is using 0.8 :P [20:14] <_Groo_> and oneiric uses 0.9 :D [20:14] FFS [20:14] ah no [20:14] _Groo_: the natty main package is named 0.9 too [20:15] for whatever reason [20:15] yeah [20:15] ffs [20:15] natty has 0.9 uploaded apparently [20:15] * yofel just uploaded kde-dummy 0~ppa1 [20:15] totally innovative [20:16] <_Groo_> plasma-widget-networkmanagement 0.10~git20100406-0ubuntu1 [20:16] <_Groo_> in natty [20:16] <_Groo_> beats me [20:16] <_Groo_> gotta love random version numbers :D [20:16] where the hell did you get that from [20:16] !info plasma-widget-networkmanagement [20:16] plasma-widget-networkmanagement (source: plasma-widget-networkmanagement): Network Management widget for KDE4 Plasma. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9~svngit20110408-0ubuntu2 (natty), package size 62 kB, installed size 296 kB [20:17] <_Groo_> huuu nvm [20:17] <_Groo_> its my own build :P from git... [20:17] Quintasan: now bakc to your question - there are no known issues with OpenGL ES for mesa users with at least 7.11 [20:17] <_Groo_> based on the 0.8 tag [20:17] fun [20:17] mgraesslin: Great. And file wise? [20:17] <_Groo_> i upped it to 10... cause im lazy :P and 0.9 would screw me over if i put 0.8 [20:18] Quintasan: what do you mean "file wise"? [20:18] mgraesslin: *.desktop for effects [20:18] <_Groo_> yofel: but back to the subject [20:18] mgraesslin: KWin GL ES has all effects that normal kwin has? [20:18] <_Groo_> yofel: i read in the developer blog you need to get 0.8 master cause he did some changes for 4.7 and he also forked 0.9 cause its incompatible with 0.8 [20:19] <_Groo_> yofel: or something very similar [20:19] Quintasan: all except logout, but it does not get loaded even if the desktop file is installed [20:19] great.... [20:19] _Groo_: can you make a snapshot for us? [20:19] mgraesslin: Great. [20:19] <_Groo_> yofel: not from work [20:19] <_Groo_> yofel: my stupid proxy doesnt suppoort svn/git [20:19] ah, let's leave it to Quintasan then [20:20] <_Groo_> yofel: let me try to track down the blog post, might make things easier for ya guys [20:21] and also back to yofel: do you see an issue with having a build dep on OpenGL|OpenGL ES? [20:21] mgraesslin: I know there are people that might prefer not to have that, but from our POV it wouldn't matter [20:21] <_Groo_> yofel: this is is blog http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2011/04/plasma-nm-bluetooth-tethering.html [20:22] yofel: yeah well Gentoo, but I just replied to that :-) [20:22] yeah ^^ [20:22] the only ones noticing when it breaks [20:23] _Groo_: oh, we're getting bluetooth support, cool :D [20:23] <_Groo_> yofel: latest post even says whats the recomended snapshot for both master and 0.9 branch [20:23] <_Groo_> just go back to the root/index [20:23] <_Groo_> scroll down the post... [20:24] ah thanks [20:24] Quintasan: ^ [20:25] <_Groo_> yofel: end story if i got it right... 0.9 branch only works with 0.9, 0.8 MASTER works with 0.8 for both 4.6 and 4.7, but you need a pretty recent 0.8 master for it to compile in 4.7 [20:25] seems so [20:25] <_Groo_> since hes doing all work in 0.9 and backporting what he can to 0.8 [20:26] so we need a snapshot for natty? [20:26] <_Groo_> Quintasan: prolly quin [20:26] yep, see the hashes on the blog [20:26] <_Groo_> see the blog [20:26] we should probably update the nm09 package in O too [20:26] <_Groo_> go to the bottom of the last post, and try the snapshot for 0.8 master he recommends [20:26] ok, back to 80 removals from 275 [20:27] <_Groo_> btw calligra weekly snapshot is ready :) [20:27] <_Groo_> they are renaming the new names to calligra i wonder why ;) [20:27] <_Groo_> before gnome trolls start shipping word, flow and plan too XD [20:28] DS will be fun ^^ [20:28] <_Groo_> ds? [20:29] desktop summit [20:29] <_Groo_> ah yes [20:29] <_Groo_> pitty i cant attend [20:29] <_Groo_> im poor, and no one sponsors me, not even my boss :P [20:29] ah, I'm ~98% sure I can go [20:30] <_Groo_> yofel: being the 2% chance of being hit by a bus? [20:30] no, depending what comes out of an appointment tomorrow, I won't go into details [20:31] <_Groo_> Oracle values open source and will continue to work with open source communities, but it is driven by customer needs and solutions [20:32] <_Groo_> ah... like the king in game of thrones said... dont listen to anything that comes before a BUT [20:32] that re OOo? [20:32] <_Groo_> about opensource in oscon [20:32] ah [20:33] <_Groo_> readying... dont listen dont listen ... BUT it is driven by customer needs and solutions [20:33] <_Groo_> which means, dont trsut them, fork the, stay away from them [20:33] is there something we didn't fork yet? [20:33] <_Groo_> virtualbox [20:33] <_Groo_> so far so good [20:34] well, that's still usable [20:34] <_Groo_> lets see how far the poor guys can go before they are "outsourced for innovation" [20:34] <_Groo_> or some other stupid line with innovation, customer satisfaction and beat the competition in it [20:35] well, at least we here are only pretty loosly bound to canonical ^^ [20:35] <_Groo_> canonical for the better or the worse IS a open source company [20:35] <_Groo_> with a dictator for life, but still [20:35] <_Groo_> oracle is a shark, always was always will be [20:35] someone take the right to name the releases away from him and I'm happy [20:36] <_Groo_> yofel: lol [20:36]