| jo-erlend | No! Super+num doesn't work! That's a total dealbreaker. Guess it'll be fixed by release. :) | 00:00 |
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| Pici | I just installed today's image, the upgrade was working really oddly. | 00:01 |
| jo-erlend | what does that mean? | 00:02 |
| BUGabundo | how do I re-attach to the oldest Screen session? | 00:02 |
| rww | BUGabundo: assuming the oldest one is the one screen considers "first", screen -d -RR would do it. | 00:03 |
| Pici | jo-erlend: it means that I had upgraded to 11.10, but it was acting strangely, so I formated / and installed it there. | 00:03 |
| BUGabundo | nope | 00:03 |
| BUGabundo | that's actually the newest rww | 00:03 |
| rww | fun | 00:03 |
| Pici | screen -ls | 00:04 |
| BUGabundo | Pici: I know how to list them | 00:04 |
| BUGabundo | I'm just being lazy.... | 00:04 |
| Pici | BUGabundo: Clearly :P | 00:04 |
| BUGabundo | this is so powerful, must allow me that | 00:04 |
| jo-erlend | this new release cycle of Mozillas bother me a little bit. I haven't been able to use moonlight a single time since that started. | 00:14 |
| micahg | jo-erlend: flash should work from multiverse | 00:16 |
| jo-erlend | micahg, hmm? | 00:16 |
| micahg | jo-erlend: ubufox should attempt to install flash from multiverse or install gnash | 00:17 |
| jo-erlend | I've never seen that. | 00:17 |
| jo-erlend | it always tells me that no suitable plugin was found, then it presents me with a button to install manually. If I do, I'm sent to Adobes homepage. | 00:17 |
| micahg | jo-erlend: the plugin finder service isn't usually updated until close to release | 00:18 |
| jo-erlend | ah, ok. | 00:18 |
| micahg | and there's an FTBFS bug blocking a moon update to work with Firefox 4+ | 00:19 |
| jo-erlend | ftbfs? | 00:19 |
| micahg | fails to build from source | 00:19 |
| jo-erlend | ah. | 00:20 |
| BUGabundo | MADNESS | 00:21 |
| BUGabundo | 24 0.02s 2.03s 20.3G 2.3G 0K 180K ? ? 71% chromium-brows | 00:21 |
| BUGabundo | screen -r `screen -list | grep '.*\..*(.*)' | sort | head -n 1 | awk '{ print $1 }'` | 00:32 |
| BUGabundo | rww: Pici ^^^ | 00:32 |
| rww | eww | 00:34 |
| Pici | agreed | 00:36 |
| BUGabundo | rww: LOL | 00:38 |
| BUGabundo | it works! | 00:38 |
| BUGabundo | can you do better? | 00:39 |
| BUGabundo | nite | 01:12 |
| jo-erlend | from what I've seen so far, I think I want to upgrade. | 01:17 |
| jo-erlend | I want to upgrade. bbl | 01:19 |
| jhouse5266534 | I've noticed the bottom little bit of my java windows is not displaying. Is that a known issue? | 01:23 |
| jo-erlend | I can't remember the last time I upgraded at such an early stage. Must have been feisty or dapper or something. Hope this works well :) | 01:33 |
| jhouse5266534 | jo-erlend, it's actually working well so far except for the grey banner at the bottom of java windows. | 01:34 |
| jo-erlend | yes, because I care much about java windows :> | 01:35 |
| jo-erlend | uh... I get an error 403 forbidden when downloading packages. How come? | 01:44 |
| jo-erlend | switched to another archive and that worked. | 02:06 |
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| alkisg | Hi, is "list columns" view supported by nautilus in oneiric? I can't find it... | 06:45 |
| antihero | Why does python-dbus break python-qt4-dbus :( | 10:56 |
| ior3k | anyone know of workrave alternatives that work on oneiric? | 11:15 |
| ior3k | (workrave is not installable right now) | 11:15 |
| jtaylor | is a bug filed? | 11:37 |
| jtaylor | installs fine in my chroot | 11:39 |
| jo-erlend | damn, I forgot to uninstall the catalyst driver before upgrading, which causes the system to freeze at boot. What's the easiest way of fixing that? I booted in recovery mode, but I could no longer find an option to fix X. | 11:52 |
| ior3k | jtaylor: installing libpanel-applet2-0 (of which workrave depends) causes gnome-panel to be uninstalled | 11:55 |
| jo-erlend | how do I start the failsafe x? | 11:55 |
| jtaylor | did you install lightdm-gtk-greeter? | 11:57 |
| jtaylor | jo-erlend: ^ | 11:57 |
| jo-erlend | jtaylor, I've just upgraded from 11.04 | 11:57 |
| jo-erlend | but I'm fairly certain it's the catalyst driver for my hd5850. It always does this when I upgrade the kernel. | 11:57 |
| jtaylor | there was a problem with lightdm casing hanging boot | 11:58 |
| jo-erlend | and since the radeon driver now is much better, I just want to remove the proprietary driver. | 11:58 |
| jtaylor | anyhow you get into a failsafe by choosing the recovery kernel in grub | 11:58 |
| jtaylor | its possible that installing the greeter will solve your problem | 11:58 |
| jo-erlend | how? I couldn't find any such options anymore. There used to be an option in that menu you get, but ... | 11:58 |
| jtaylor | there should be a more options option now where its hidden | 11:59 |
| jbicha | you could also try booting from your previous kernel | 11:59 |
| jo-erlend | well, until proven otherwise, I will assume it's the catalyst driver that causes these issues, since it's consistently caused exactly this problem each time I've upgraded the kernel. | 11:59 |
| jtaylor | booting works fine on my machine, I just get glichtes after login ^^ | 12:00 |
| jo-erlend | listen. I just want to remove the proprietary driver. I've never wanted it and now I no longer need it. | 12:00 |
| jtaylor | also cataclyist | 12:00 |
| jo-erlend | yes, but on my system, on many clean installs, every single time I've upgraded the kernel, I cannot boot afterwards. 100%. | 12:00 |
| jtaylor | I just want to say it may not be the driver causing the problem | 12:00 |
| jtaylor | this time | 12:00 |
| jo-erlend | yes, but until I know that for an absolute certainty, I will still assume that it's the driver causing the issue. But in any case, I want to remove the driver. I really, really don't want to use it. | 12:01 |
| jo-erlend | it's insanely slow compared to the open driver and as I've said, I know from experience that it's also very unstable. And after all, I do prefer open drivers. | 12:02 |
| jtaylor | I'm not arguing that the prop drivers are good | 12:02 |
| jo-erlend | so what I'm asking, is "how do I run failsafex?" | 12:02 |
| jtaylor | choose the grub boot entry for recovery or edit the line (pressing e I think) | 12:03 |
| jo-erlend | well, that was the first thing I did, because in earlier versions, there was an option to "Fix X" or something. There no longer is. | 12:03 |
| jtaylor | you just need a root shell, from there you can remove the drivers | 12:04 |
| jo-erlend | I wish I could remember the name and location of the uninstall script. :/ | 12:06 |
| jtaylor | its not installed via the package? | 12:06 |
| jo-erlend | no, as I said, after any kernel upgrade, I've had to manually install the newest driver, otherwise I haven't been able to boot. | 12:06 |
| BluesKaj | hiyas all | 12:07 |
| jtaylor | then no wonder it does not work on upgrade, you have to rebuild the kernel modules each time by placing something in /etc/kernel/postinst.d | 12:07 |
| jo-erlend | btw; I forget which button to push to show the grub menu. | 12:07 |
| jtaylor | shift | 12:07 |
| jo-erlend | jtaylor, yes, I know this. As I said, I expected to be unable to reboot so I had intended to uninstall the proprietary driver first, but I forgot. | 12:08 |
| jo-erlend | but really... It has to be possible to run failesafex without using a menu option? | 12:09 |
| jtaylor | probably, but maybe you don't get so far due to the lightdm problem | 12:10 |
| jo-erlend | but the first thing I need to know, is how to display the grub menu. I don't understand why it's been hidden completely. | 12:10 |
| jtaylor | holding shift during boot I think, it shows for me because I have ~6 operating systems installed ^^ | 12:11 |
| jo-erlend | jtaylor, maybe I'll have a look at that once I've confirmed that it is _not_ the catalyst driver that's causing the issue. | 12:11 |
| jo-erlend | oh, ok. That helps. I'll give it a go. | 12:12 |
| jtaylor | fixing lightdem is a simple apt-get install lightdm-gtk-greeter | 12:12 |
| jtaylor | if its already installed its not the problem | 12:12 |
| jo-erlend | in case someone else should ask, you can run failsafe X by running failesafeXServer. | 12:29 |
| jo-erlend | and it seems that for some reason, the uninstall script was removed when I upgraded. So I'm downloading the driver installer so I can install it so I can remove it. There should be an easy way to drop all proprietary drivers. | 12:31 |
| jo-erlend | ok. It's gone. Hope that really was the problem :) | 12:36 |
| jo-erlend | alright, so removing the proprietary driver stopped my system from halting at boot, but I'm still not able to run X. | 12:56 |
| jo-erlend | if I login and run startx, then I just get a black screen. If I start lightdm manually, then I get a mouse pointer, but nothing else. But what's extremely annoying is that I'm only able to display the grub menu once in a while. I had to cold boot about ten times before I was able to display it. | 12:59 |
| Pici | Does running sudo lightdm -d give you any information? (once you've stopped lightdm of course) ?> | 13:00 |
| jo-erlend | yes. It's a little bit difficult to copy the messages though. | 13:03 |
| Pici | Well, anything obviously in-error? | 13:04 |
| jo-erlend | yes. It exits with 127. Then I get some exceptions. GLib-GObject-CRITICAL: g_object_ref assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed | 13:05 |
| jo-erlend | but if I log in first and then run startx unprivileged, shouldn't that bypass the display manager? | 13:08 |
| jo-erlend | but... One thing at a time. How do I make the grub menu always appear? It's really annoying having to reboot so many times just to display it. When I press shift at boot, it's only being displayed about every tenth time or something. | 13:13 |
| gnomefreak | it seems zeitgeist-daemon is still crashing on startup | 13:16 |
| jo-erlend | I don't understand why the default is to not display the only thing that can help you fix problems when something goes wrong. | 13:16 |
| Ian_Corne | gnomefreak: I get that too | 13:19 |
| jo-erlend | guess someone in #grub will know how to display the menu at boot. | 13:27 |
| gnomefreak | Ian_Corne: the other day they uploaded a fix but it seems to only fix 1 type of the crash from what i can tell | 13:27 |
| gnomefreak | jo-erlend: i dont understand what you are looking for | 13:28 |
| gnomefreak | if i dont answer right away its because im engrossed in a blueprint that makes no sense :( | 13:28 |
| jo-erlend | gnomefreak: well. I would like to be able to display the grub menu at boot so that I can run the failsafe x. Right now I don't have X at all. | 13:30 |
| jo-erlend | in any case, being able to get to a root shell is useful, so I would like to get that possibility. Currently, I have to reboot lots of times before I'm able to get to the menu. Holding down shift only works about one time in ten. | 13:31 |
| gnomefreak | jo-erlend: you can get to root shell by using the recovery mode kernel | 13:32 |
| gnomefreak | it will give you 4 or 5 options to choose from | 13:32 |
| jo-erlend | that is not possible because I cannot access the grub menu. | 13:32 |
| gnomefreak | oh | 13:32 |
| jo-erlend | well. If I reboot 10-15 times, then I might get lucky. | 13:33 |
| gnomefreak | thats not good | 13:33 |
| jo-erlend | in the old days, I could edit the grub menu to show itself for x seconds before booting the default option, but I no longer know how to do that. | 13:33 |
| * gnomefreak not a great grub person but it should like the partition is corupt | 13:33 | |
| jo-erlend | no, not at all. Everything works quite nicely, except it doesn't accept shift. Perhaps because it's a usb keyboard, I don't know. | 13:34 |
| gnomefreak | wait a min. they were talking about hiding it at one time during natty dev cycle but i never saw that instead they hid the extra kernels | 13:34 |
| gnomefreak | i wouldnt think USB keyboard would giv eyou issues | 13:35 |
| gnomefreak | at least not for grub unless it is not being recognized | 13:35 |
| gnomefreak | until plymouth at least | 13:35 |
| jo-erlend | well, it seems it doesn't catch the keystrokes. And the keyboard is being turned off and on again, so that might be it. In any case, if I keep rebooting and holding shift, then the menu is sometimes shown. | 13:36 |
| gnomefreak | jo-erlend: do you have a ps2 keyboard to try | 13:36 |
| jo-erlend | I'd say out of 20 reboots when I hold shift, the menu is displayed 3-4 times perhaps. | 13:36 |
| gnomefreak | that is really bad | 13:37 |
| jo-erlend | I obviously don't. But that's not the point either. I want to display the grub menu at boot. | 13:37 |
| * gnomefreak wonders if you can reset the partition without wiping everything | 13:37 | |
| jo-erlend | what is bad is to default to hiding the only tool that can help you when something goes really bad. | 13:37 |
| jo-erlend | gnomefreak: hmm? What do you mean reset partition? | 13:38 |
| bjsnider | reset the partition? | 13:38 |
| gnomefreak | overwrite format | 13:38 |
| gnomefreak | should have a / in there | 13:38 |
| bjsnider | that would wipe out the file system's mft | 13:38 |
| gnomefreak | thats what i thought it would do | 13:38 |
| bjsnider | the files would exist but they wouldn't be listed or named | 13:38 |
| bjsnider | so you'd need a file recovery tool | 13:39 |
| bjsnider | you have to copy the files to another partition and then format and copy them back | 13:39 |
| gnomefreak | is there anyway to test the partition to see if it is that or something else? | 13:39 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 13:39 |
| bjsnider | gnomefreak, to see if it is that what? | 13:40 |
| gnomefreak | its quiker and easier to reinstall :) | 13:40 |
| jo-erlend | gnomefreak: if what is what? I don't think you've actually described the problem? | 13:40 |
| gnomefreak | if the partition is corrupt in some way | 13:40 |
| jo-erlend | what makes you think it is? | 13:40 |
| bjsnider | just do a fsck | 13:40 |
| * gnomefreak really dont htink its the keyboard | 13:40 | |
| jo-erlend | gnomefreak: oh, are you talking about me? I can tell you with absolute certainty that it has nothing to do with partitioning. | 13:41 |
| gnomefreak | im just getting the thought that its someone with the partition(wish i could remember the name) | 13:41 |
| gnomefreak | jo-erlend: yes you | 13:41 |
| gnomefreak | ok | 13:42 |
| BluesKaj | just downloaded the alpha image , but it was empty ...? | 13:42 |
| jo-erlend | as I've told you, everything works. It boots the default. It's just that I want to get a root shell and that means I have to display the menu. I want it to be displayed by default. | 13:42 |
| jo-erlend | pressing shift sometimes displays the menu, but very rarely and it's exceedingly annoying to have to reboot so many times just hoping that the menu will be displayed. | 13:43 |
| gnomefreak | i remember talk about hiding it but i dont recall much after that. i have always had it show, other than hiding the older kernels | 13:43 |
| bjsnider | why does the grub menu have to be displayed? | 13:43 |
| jo-erlend | bjsnider: I need a root shell. More precisely, I need to run failsafex. | 13:43 |
| gnomefreak | bjsnider: it shandy to have a choice to boot into recovery or edit | 13:43 |
| bjsnider | ok, so change the settings so that it is showed | 13:44 |
| jo-erlend | very shandy indeed :) | 13:44 |
| gnomefreak | brb smoke | 13:44 |
| jo-erlend | bjsnider: ... I've been asking how to do that for quite some time. I used to know how that was done, but I don't know how to do it with grub2. | 13:44 |
| bjsnider | edit the file /etc/default/grub | 13:45 |
| bjsnider | then run update-grub | 13:45 |
| jo-erlend | that's it? I thought there was something else I needed to do. | 13:46 |
| bjsnider | which, by the way, is in the ubuntu wiki page for grub2 | 13:46 |
| bjsnider | that is all there is to it | 13:46 |
| bjsnider | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 | 13:47 |
| bjsnider | !grub2 | 13:47 |
| ubottu | GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) | 13:47 |
| jo-erlend | yes, I've never gotten comfortable using w3m. | 13:47 |
| jo-erlend | bjsnider: grub_timeout is set to 10, but grub_hidden_timeout is set to 0. What's the difference between them? | 13:48 |
| bjsnider | read the docs | 13:48 |
| bjsnider | before you change anything you should probably know what you're changing | 13:48 |
| jo-erlend | hmm. The live session takes forever to boot. And then I need to reboot twenty times in order to get a shell so I can edit the menu. If it was easy to look up, then I would have. | 13:49 |
| jo-erlend | but I guess maybe I can use w3m for this. | 13:50 |
| gnomefreak | bjsnider: have you heard anything about fglrx being fixed? | 13:50 |
| * gnomefreak using links | 13:51 | |
| jo-erlend | gnomefreak: the main reason for my upgrade is that I no longer have to use fglrx :) | 13:51 |
| gnomefreak | uses | 13:51 |
| jo-erlend | links. I had forgotten about that one. | 13:51 |
| jo-erlend | it's been a while since I run linux without x :) | 13:51 |
| jo-erlend | well, for desktop use that is. I have a few headless servers, but I rarely need to surf on them :) | 13:52 |
| bjsnider | gnomefreak, no i haven't, but there was a new release yesterday i think | 13:52 |
| gnomefreak | bjsnider: thanks | 13:52 |
| jo-erlend | gnomefreak: is links supposed to only display a black screen? | 13:53 |
| gnomefreak | jo-erlend: no | 13:54 |
| genii-around | jo-erlend: Maybe try hit g for "go to URL" then type in some address.... | 13:54 |
| gnomefreak | it should give you a screen pretty much empty except for a choice or 2 but i dont have it installed atm | 13:55 |
| gnomefreak | anyone feel like trying reproduce a bug in untiy for me | 13:55 |
| gnomefreak | i would love a confirmed on this bug | 13:55 |
| gnomefreak | bug 816106 | 13:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 816106 in unity (Ubuntu) "Cant add anything to launcher panel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/816106 | 13:56 |
| jo-erlend | still think it's a little strange to make the system recovery option unavailable by default though. | 13:57 |
| jo-erlend | if I want to boot directly into the live session and skip the installer... Is it sufficient to just uninstall ubiquity? | 14:20 |
| jo-erlend | let me rephrase that. If I want to boot a live session and skip the installer. What is the best way of doing that? | 14:20 |
| patdk-wk | heh? isn't that the default? | 14:21 |
| jo-erlend | no, when you boot from a cd or memory stick, then you go into the installer, asking if you want to try or install Ubuntu. If you click try, then you get into a live session. But that adds several minutes to the boot time, so I'd rather just go directly into the live session. | 14:22 |
| jo-erlend | I think it's a little strange btw.. I can boot yesterdays live image without any problems. It takes forever to boot, but when it's up, it's much faster than 11.04 was installed on the same machine. But when I install from the same image, then I can get x up. I was able to get failsafex up earlier today, but I'm no longer able to. | 14:24 |
| patdk-wk | oh dunno, I only install from the test images | 14:25 |
| jo-erlend | what does that mean? You mean the alpha releases? | 14:25 |
| patdk-wk | ya, aphla, beta, rc's | 14:25 |
| jo-erlend | oh, right. And then you wait until the next test release before you install any upgrades? | 14:26 |
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| patdk-wk | no | 14:26 |
| patdk-wk | but I don't install from a cd | 14:26 |
| patdk-wk | upgrades aren't via cdrom | 14:26 |
| jo-erlend | what does that matter? | 14:26 |
| patdk-wk | you are complaining about the cdrom | 14:26 |
| jo-erlend | I am not. Not in any way. Quite the contrary. I'm saying that the upgraded system does not work, but running from a cd image works perfectly. | 14:27 |
| jo-erlend | and I think that is a little strange, since it's supposed to be the same software. | 14:27 |
| jo-erlend | this is why I upgraded in the first place. Running 11.10 from a CD is _much_ faster than running my installed 11.04 ever was. I suspect that's mostly because of the VGA drivers. | 14:29 |
| albert23 | jo-erlend: if you press a key when the cd is just starting, before the language selection shows, you get an additional menu. There you can choose "try Ubuntu without installing" | 14:30 |
| jo-erlend | albert23, oh, I thought that had been removed. But how do I make that the default option? Is it in the grub menu? | 14:31 |
| albert23 | No, there is no grub with a live cd | 14:31 |
| albert23 | I don't think you can change that | 14:32 |
| jo-erlend | well. I seem to remember being able to do it in lucid. But I don't remember exactly what I did, thought perhaps I just uninstalled uniquity? | 14:32 |
| albert23 | indeed, older versions showed that menu by default | 14:33 |
| jo-erlend | no, I mean I was able to make my memory stick OS load the live session automatically. But I tried to just uninstall it, so I can reboot and see. | 14:34 |
| jo-erlend | brb | 14:34 |
| gnomefreak | is it just me or can everyone not add a shortcut on the desktop? | 14:37 |
| jo-erlend | yup. That worked. Heh... So I guess I'll be running from a memory stick for a while. :) | 14:39 |
| jo-erlend | does anyone know why there is a limit of 4GB persistence when you make a bootable memory stick, btw? That seems a little strange. | 14:41 |
| BluesKaj | k3b won't burn the alpha image to a dvdrw or cdrw , gotta use dd | 14:47 |
| coz_ | BluesKaj, permissions issue? | 14:49 |
| coz_ | BluesKaj, the only reason I say that is that I did have permissions issue with k3b at one point | 14:50 |
| BluesKaj | coz it doesn't recognize the empty cdrw or dvdrw ,it acts like there's data on it | 14:53 |
| BluesKaj | they're blankd | 14:53 |
| coz_ | BluesKaj, ooo ok that is a different issue ,, sorry | 15:00 |
| BluesKaj | coz_, some of these dvd/cdrws are old and have been written too many times , so the substrate is probly cooked ...found on e that works after 4 tries :) | 15:11 |
| coz_ | BluesKaj, ah oh ,, phew,, at least it was not software related :) | 15:12 |
| jo-erlend | wah. My head is tired. I can't even figure out how to mount my partitions. mdadm --assemble --scan gives med /dev/md0 and md1, but I can't find the partitions on the lvm. | 15:13 |
| BluesKaj | ok gonna try the image ...couldn't rescue nvidia/X on the try ..blacklisting nouveau and reinstalling nvidia current made no difference | 15:14 |
| BluesKaj | last try | 15:14 |
| BluesKaj | is there an kubuntu oneiric alpha image available ?...searching , but not finding much | 15:51 |
| BluesKaj | alpha2 | 15:51 |
| BluesKaj | ok, no kubuntu alpha 2 images available | 15:56 |
| bjsnider | BluesKaj, you're having trouble with nvidia? | 16:09 |
| BluesKaj | bjsnider, yes i tried the nouveau blacklist and it worked for a day or 2 then X broke again ..I had tty access but nomodeset and noacpi didn't help | 16:13 |
| bjsnider | ok, first of all i doubt reimaging is going to fix it | 16:13 |
| bjsnider | it's probably a packaging issue related to multiarch | 16:14 |
| BluesKaj | tried unblacklisting nouveau and removing nvidia current | 16:14 |
| bjsnider | assuming nvidia-current is properly installed | 16:14 |
| bjsnider | nvidia-current already blacklists nouveau | 16:14 |
| BluesKaj | not in my case, the nouveau driver was in use after I installed nvidia-current, so blacklisting nouveau and reinstalling nvidia current did work for a while | 16:16 |
| bjsnider | you can't use nouveau instead of nvidia for the moment? | 16:16 |
| BluesKaj | I tried that , but X still wouldn't load | 16:17 |
| BluesKaj | I reinstalled natty...again | 16:17 |
| bjsnider | look, i'm fairly certain i can troubleshoot this into working again | 16:17 |
| bjsnider | run this command: sudo jockey-text -e xorg: nvidia-current | 16:18 |
| BluesKaj | yofel suggested the blacklist and it did work , but I don't know what broke X ...checked the logs but all i got was the noscrns message | 16:19 |
| BluesKaj | bjsnider, I'm on natty again ...it's not a big deal to reinstall due to separate / and /home partitions , but this nvidia/X problem is becoming a pita , so I'm leery on upgrading again ...running kde btw | 16:22 |
| BluesKaj | bjsnider, sudo jockey-text -e xorg: nvidia-current ... looks for the additional drivers ? | 16:26 |
| bjsnider | no, it installs and activates nvidia-current | 16:36 |
| carl0s- | is there no reboot option now? | 16:36 |
| carl0s- | (from the gui_ | 16:37 |
| carl0s- | ) | 16:37 |
| BluesKaj | ok , bjsnider , upgrading ... probly take an hr or so.. we'll see what happens then :) | 16:38 |
| carl0s- | gay | 16:39 |
| jo-erlend_ | those issues with lightdm is well known, yes? | 17:40 |
| micahg | jo-erlend_: which issues? | 17:42 |
| jo-erlend_ | well, you know.. "the issues" :) It wouldn't run when I upgraded from 11.04. Running from a live memory stick was perfect. | 17:43 |
| jo-erlend_ | and I got the feeling that it was some well known issue. | 17:44 |
| micahg | jo-erlend_: which desktop are you using? | 17:44 |
| jo-erlend_ | ubuntu. 64bit is that matters. | 17:44 |
| jo-erlend_ | s/is/if/. | 17:44 |
| dr_willis | Anyone noticed an issue where the cursor is moved to the right 3 spaces on the console? | 17:46 |
| dr_willis | makes it a little hard to use vi :) | 17:46 |
| sri | greetings.. | 17:50 |
| sri | so.. | 17:52 |
| sri | if I wanted to downgrade back to 11.01 how would I do that? | 17:53 |
| sri | possible? | 17:53 |
| sri | I accidentally upgraded a macahine to oneiric | 17:53 |
| yofel | !downgrade | 17:53 |
| ubottu | Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported and may break your system. | 17:53 |
| sri | thinking it was my own box.. | 17:53 |
| sri | ok | 17:53 |
| charlie-tca | fresh install of 11.04 | 17:53 |
| sri | ugh. | 17:53 |
| charlie-tca | 11.01 doesn't really exist | 17:53 |
| sri | sorry I meant 11.04 | 17:54 |
| jo-erlend_ | sri, a fresh install is much faster if you don't have to consider mdadm or lvm and that stuff. | 17:58 |
| jo-erlend_ | that is to say; as long as you don't need to use the alternate installer, it's much faster to install fresh than it is to install via the package system. | 17:59 |
| mauri_ | where is stored the desktop image? Where i can find it in the distribution | 18:39 |
| antihero | Hmm, KDE is broken entirely with latest upgrade | 18:41 |
| yofel | broken dependencies I guess, some packages need processing by an archive admin | 18:41 |
| yofel | *never* run dist-upgrade without checking what it does first ;) | 18:42 |
| Pici | Me either. | 18:42 |
| antihero | yofel: Indeed, but it seemingly replaced some stuff, evidently not enough. | 18:42 |
| yofel | well, here it wants to remove workspace stuff too | 18:43 |
| yofel | there's a new wallpaper package worspace now depends on, and that's stuck in BINARY NEW | 18:43 |
| antihero | How do I install stuff from binary new? | 18:44 |
| antihero | or is that insanity | 18:44 |
| Pici | I wonder if its due to the accidental package sync. | 18:44 |
| antihero | Pici: What is that? | 18:44 |
| Pici | let me grab a link from the mailing list. | 18:45 |
| Pici | antihero: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-July/000877.html | 18:45 |
| antihero | Pici: Don't have a browser right now. | 18:45 |
| antihero | I'm sitting in the console. | 18:45 |
| antihero | I suppose I could load up e17 though | 18:46 |
| Pici | antihero: Basically a javascript bug caused us to sync everything from debian. | 18:46 |
| Pici | w3m should be enough for this, it's 99% text. | 18:46 |
| antihero | Pici: Eek. I'm guessing that's bad? | 18:46 |
| Pici | antihero: yes. | 18:47 |
| antihero | Pici: ballback idea on when I'll be able to install KDE again? | 18:47 |
| antihero | *ballbark (lol?) | 18:47 |
| antihero | PARK | 18:47 |
| Pici | heh | 18:47 |
| Pici | I'm not sure, I haven't investigated the list of packges thoroughly, nor have I tried to do a (dist-)upgrade on my 11.10 install lately. | 18:48 |
| yofel | tomorrow I guess? | 18:48 |
| yofel | here a dist-upgrade wants to remove kde-workspace as well, not much to do except to wait | 18:48 |
| Pici | Likely soon though, I'd guess that the more important packages will get fixed sooner. | 18:48 |
| yofel | for build the package yourself | 18:49 |
| yofel | *or | 18:49 |
| genii-around | This must have happened in the last 4-5 hours, I did a dist-upgrade then without issues | 18:49 |
| antihero | No way to simply ignore a couple deps? | 18:49 |
| Pici | genii-around: Its possible that the packages didn't build until more recently. | 18:50 |
| Pici | antihero: Then they wouldn't be dependencies. | 18:50 |
| genii-around | Hm | 18:51 |
| antihero | essentially all I need is kde-workspace-data 4.7.0-0ubuntu2 | 18:51 |
| antihero | whereas all I can get is kde-workspace-data-4.7.0-0ubuntu1 | 18:52 |
| antihero | aargh | 18:52 |
| yofel | uh, no ubuntu2 depends on kde-wallpapers-default which is uninstallable currently | 18:54 |
| Pici | antihero: Looks like that just finished building. | 18:54 |
| yofel | so ubuntu1 is your only chance currently | 18:54 |
| antihero | Pici: Excellent! Can I get the deb? | 18:54 |
| antihero | Pici: Where did you find out that that had just finished building? | 18:54 |
| Pici | antihero: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace | 18:54 |
| antihero | hmm, that doesn't depend on kde-workspace data it seems | 18:56 |
| antihero | oh wait, it does. | 18:56 |
| Pici | Its the source package for kde-workspace-data | 18:56 |
| yofel | ah true, it's fine now | 18:57 |
| antihero | Essentially the problem is that kde-workspace-bin ubuntu1 depends on kde-workspace-data ubuntu2 | 18:58 |
| antihero | ffs | 18:58 |
| yofel | there's no versions in the dependencies, it's just that those versions were available at that moment | 18:58 |
| antihero | yofel: Ubuntu -- Package Se | 18:59 |
| antihero | oops | 18:59 |
| genii-around | antihero: You could take your chances and dpkg -i --force-depends on the workspace-bin file in your cache | 18:59 |
| antihero | " kde-workspace-bin : Depends: kde-workspace-data (= 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2) but 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed " | 19:00 |
| yofel | antihero: refresh your cache again | 19:00 |
| yofel | here (de.archive.ubuntu.com amd64) the deps are OK now | 19:00 |
| antihero | yofel: apt-get update? | 19:00 |
| antihero | I'm on gb, is that slow? | 19:00 |
| yofel | except python-dbus which has been stuck for a while here | 19:00 |
| yofel | antihero: no idea, but update is right | 19:00 |
| antihero | yofel: yeah the python-qt4-dbus thing seems weird | 19:01 |
| antihero | Hmm, deps not fixed on GB. How do I know when that's updated? | 19:01 |
| yofel | aaaargh | 19:03 |
| yofel | sorry | 19:03 |
| yofel | not fixed, I got it from another source -.- | 19:03 |
| antihero | so is it that whoever's maintining it has accidentally put ubuntu2 instead of ubuntu1? | 19:03 |
| antihero | yofel: Could I get that source? | 19:03 |
| yofel | antihero: that's private, but different way: | 19:04 |
| yofel | got to https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-wallpapers/4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1/+build/2653513 | 19:04 |
| yofel | download the debs and dpkg -i them | 19:04 |
| antihero | goddamn uxterm let me copy paste | 19:05 |
| antihero | yofel: But I thought the issue was with kde-workspace-data? | 19:06 |
| antihero | and the fact that the available version is ubuntu1 but kde-workspace-bin needs ubuntu2 | 19:06 |
| shadeslayer | fwiw kubuntu-desktop is still broken ;) | 19:07 |
| yofel | yes, kde-workspace-data depends on kde-wallpapers-default which doesn't exist yet | 19:07 |
| yofel | -> problem | 19:07 |
| antihero | yofel: I see. | 19:07 |
| yofel | install wallpapers by hand and apt should be happy | 19:07 |
| antihero | yofel. The package should really have wallpapers as optional >_< | 19:07 |
| antihero | I mean crikey, taking down a system for *wallpapers* | 19:08 |
| yofel | no, the depends is right, this is just what happens in +1 sometimes | 19:08 |
| antihero | yofel: Wallpapres thing did not fix. | 19:10 |
| yofel | what happens now? | 19:10 |
| antihero | same thing | 19:10 |
| yofel | which packages did you install? | 19:10 |
| antihero | kde-wallpapers and kde-wallpapers-default | 19:10 |
| jbicha | antihero: you know you don't have to install every update as soon as it shows up, right? ;-) | 19:11 |
| antihero | had to remove kde-workspace-data (ub1) to do it too | 19:11 |
| antihero | jbicha: I know I know now | 19:11 |
| yofel | k, then run apt-get update again | 19:11 |
| yofel | if it's still broken you do have a bit outdated mirror I guess | 19:11 |
| antihero | yofel: Which mirror are you using? DE? | 19:11 |
| yofel | yep | 19:11 |
| antihero | which mirror is the most up to date usually? | 19:11 |
| Pici | archive.ubuntu.com | 19:11 |
| shadeslayer | the main one? :P | 19:12 |
| jbicha | antihero: here's a bit of an explanation: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1751299 | 19:12 |
| jakemp | Is there a way to see if I am on Unity 3D or 2d? I logged into 'Unity' but none of my ccsm settings are applying and all of my old desktop settings are gone. | 19:12 |
| shadeslayer | btw is anyone here running O on the new Macbook Pro? | 19:12 |
| antihero | jbicha: I will bear this in mind | 19:14 |
| antihero | yofel: Hmm, now I've used the DE mirror a bunch of stuff about things being too new :( | 19:15 |
| yofel | "too new" o.O? | 19:15 |
| antihero | because kde-workspace-bin=4:4.7.0-0-ubuntu2 is not existing | 19:15 |
| antihero | kde-workspace-bin : Depends: libkephal4abi1 (= 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed | 19:15 |
| antihero | yofel: Perhaps they're finishing off the 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2 builds as we speak? | 19:17 |
| jbicha | antihero: no problem, it takes practice & experience to know when to update but usually avoid partial or dist-upgrades | 19:18 |
| yofel | argh no, ubuntu2 is on LP | 19:18 |
| antihero | LP? | 19:18 |
| yofel | but I forgot that kde-workspace-data-extras is stuck in new too -.- | 19:18 |
| yofel | Launchpad | 19:18 |
| Pici | LaunchPad | 19:18 |
| antihero | ah | 19:18 |
| antihero | I'll try US mirror, perhaps it is more up to date? | 19:18 |
| antihero | Nope. | 19:19 |
| jbicha | or you could install unity or gnome-shell or something :-) | 19:19 |
| antihero | No. | 19:19 |
| antihero | I'm using flux atm, it's ok | 19:19 |
| antihero | I didn't mind unity too much, but just got irritating and I hate gnome 3's attitude towards customisation etc | 19:20 |
| yofel | antihero: if you want to try it, go on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2/ - click on the architecture you need, and take -data from i386 | 19:20 |
| yofel | maybe it'll help | 19:21 |
| yofel | or wait till we get it out of NEW | 19:21 |
| antihero | yofel: What exactly is NEW | 19:21 |
| antihero | currently I'm looking at http://packages.ubuntu.com/hu/oneiric/kde-workspace-data and that tells me it's still ubuntu1 | 19:21 |
| jakemp | Is there a way to see if I am on Unity 3D or just 2d? | 19:22 |
| yofel | if you build a new binary package from a known source, that package will get stuck in the Binary New moderation queue until an Archive Admin accepts the package | 19:22 |
| antihero | Hum | 19:22 |
| yofel | that's why it's nowhere to be found yet. Built: YES, Published: NO | 19:22 |
| antihero | grr | 19:23 |
| yofel | you could download the ubuntu2 debs from the architecture pages if you want | 19:23 |
| yofel | they're up | 19:23 |
| antihero | yofel: Not kde-workspace-data asfaics | 19:24 |
| antihero | just -bin | 19:24 |
| yofel | antihero: -data is Arch ALL, thus only built on i386 | 19:24 |
| yofel | you'll see it there | 19:24 |
| antihero | a | 19:24 |
| antihero | ahhh | 19:24 |
| jakemp | I am logging into Unity, but it seems to be switching over to unity 2D | 19:27 |
| jakemp | Since this recent dist upgrade | 19:27 |
| antihero | jakemp: Try runnign startx from a console and see if your drivers are screwed up? | 19:27 |
| antihero | yofel: If I install all these dependencies, will this frack up my upgrades down the line once the repos catch up? | 19:28 |
| antihero | and by "install" i mean "download debs and install" | 19:29 |
| jakemp | antihero, how do I kill my current x session? | 19:29 |
| shadeslayer | jakemp: sudo service gdm stop | 19:30 |
| yofel | antihero: those are the exact same packages that will end up in the repos, so no | 19:30 |
| jakemp | I thought gdm was removed | 19:30 |
| antihero | yofel: Unless they get moderated and rejected | 19:30 |
| antihero | right? | 19:31 |
| antihero | I'm basically being a human version of apt right now | 19:31 |
| antihero | wooo after installing about 15 deps I seem to have made progress | 19:32 |
| antihero | A fitting punishment for the naiive dist-upgrader | 19:32 |
| antihero | Thee only reason I accepted the dist-upgrade is that sometimes "necessary" sounding packages are replaced with different named ones | 19:33 |
| yofel | no reason for them to get rejected, we just don't have an admin around right now to accept them | 19:33 |
| antihero | yofel: Can I be an admin? | 19:33 |
| yofel | nope, and I don't know how to become one (not easy though) | 19:33 |
| jakemp | startx did not run, something about a missing protocol | 19:34 |
| antihero | yofel: What about if we set up a repo that essentially hosted brand new package hot from launchpad, with our own moderation? | 19:34 |
| antihero | jakemp: what error message dude? | 19:34 |
| jakemp | (I'm running on HD3000) graphics | 19:34 |
| antihero | Hmm. | 19:34 |
| yofel | antihero: have fun at proposing that to the LP devs | 19:34 |
| antihero | yofel: screenscraping :) | 19:35 |
| jakemp | "No protocol specified" just repeated | 19:35 |
| jakemp | I had to switch to another term and kill -9 it. | 19:35 |
| antihero | jakemp: Aye, that's sucky. I'm not too knwledgable about the HD3000, though NV was having probs | 19:35 |
| jakemp | Is there a way to see if I am in 2D or 3D? | 19:36 |
| antihero | yofel: It's great when aptitude's "solution" is to leave everything uninstalled and suck it up, and then if you reject that "solution" it just repeats it. | 19:36 |
| yofel | it doesn't repeat it, it gives you one where it removes one other package :P | 19:37 |
| antihero | yofel: Hoo ray. | 19:37 |
| jamesbond2 | Hi I'm trying to run apport-retrace but I get the follow error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/653963/ | 19:38 |
| antihero | how do I turn noises off in kde | 19:38 |
| antihero | I keep getting these weird /opt/google/chome/chrome processes that take up absurd amounts of CPU. | 19:39 |
| yofel | blame chrome | 19:39 |
| antihero | Indeed, but I like chome. This one has been active for like, 4 hours ?! | 19:40 |
| antihero | sigkill and my system responds like modern computer again | 19:40 |
| jamesbond2 | I have added the key but it still gives that error | 19:41 |
| antihero | yofel: Here's a colour scheme I made as a thanks for help https://github.com/radiosilence/Dogs-ColourScheme | 19:55 |
| yofel | heh, thanks :) | 19:56 |
| jakemp | This recent dist upgrade has two problems: now maximized winsows go behind the left bar, and when I prest the win key and start typing, I have to then get the mouse and click on the icon to run it; enter no longer works. | 19:58 |
| antihero | How would I enable stuff for my (nvidia) gfx card like triple buffering? | 20:06 |
| yofel | antihero: nvidia-settings I think | 20:11 |
| Daekdroom | indicator-me is still a unity-2d dependency, it seems | 20:17 |
| henke | anybody else having problems with Flash hanging X with nvidia drivers in oneiric? | 20:51 |
| nit-wit | henke, you might try using the FF add on flash aid to get the lateest adobe and cleaned up | 20:54 |
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| henke | nit-wit, that's a useful add-on, however, it was of no help as I still get the X freeze at most flash animations | 21:11 |
| henke | although oddly enough youtube works well | 21:12 |
| nit-wit | henke, bummer, I'm about to reinstall oneiric again I removed a week ago, so I'm not sure what is going on in general. | 21:13 |
| nit-wit | henke, did yo install the restricted extras | 21:13 |
| nit-wit | *you | 21:13 |
| henke | oneiric has been extremely unstable for me all along, I have had much better luck with previous alpha/beta phases | 21:13 |
| nit-wit | henke, did you install the restricted extras | 21:14 |
| henke | nit-wit, I used to have the xorg-edgers ppa, but downgraded all that in case that caused problems. | 21:14 |
| henke | not sure which extras you ask of? | 21:14 |
| nit-wit | henke, look for restricted extras in sysnaptic | 21:15 |
| BUGabundo | evening | 22:36 |
| BUGabundo | and no GDM or lightDM working | 22:36 |
| BUGabundo | YAY | 22:36 |
| jo-erlend_ | BUGabundo, hehe.. Yes, I had to go back to natty :) | 22:36 |
| BUGabundo | glad startx uses my last WM | 22:36 |
| BUGabundo | jo-erlend_: *worse* cicle I can remember | 22:37 |
| BUGabundo | and I've had them all | 22:37 |
| jo-erlend_ | circle? | 22:37 |
| jo-erlend_ | cycle! :) | 22:37 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 22:38 |
| jo-erlend_ | yes, but you know... I think it's better in the long run. | 22:38 |
| BUGabundo | then we should have been warned NOT TO run this devel cycle | 22:39 |
| jo-erlend_ | absolutely. The communication has been very poor. Canonical needs to learn from that. | 22:39 |
| jo-erlend_ | I totally support and agree with the focus on 12.04, but people needs to know that between now and then, things are going to get rough. | 22:40 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: what's not working? | 22:41 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: can I say what's actually working? the list should be smaller :) | 22:41 |
| BUGabundo | broken notification | 22:41 |
| BUGabundo | broken Classic with composite | 22:42 |
| * micahg hasn't rebooted since the lightdm 0.9.2 upgrade | 22:42 | |
| BUGabundo | broken gnome applets | 22:42 |
| BUGabundo | now broken lightDM | 22:42 |
| jo-erlend_ | oh. Then you're able to run the normal desktop at all? I'm not. | 22:42 |
| BUGabundo | jo define "normal" | 22:42 |
| BUGabundo | I was running lubuntu for over one month | 22:42 |
| jo-erlend_ | non-failsafe. | 22:42 |
| BUGabundo | cause no other DM would work | 22:42 |
| BUGabundo | I'm on a STARTX session | 22:42 |
| jo-erlend_ | in the end, I wasn't even able to start the failsafex. :) | 22:43 |
| BUGabundo | with gnome classic with no 3D | 22:43 |
| * micahg has been running xubuntu on oneiric fine with the exception of needing to click "other" to log in with lightdm | 22:43 | |
| BUGabundo | if at least notifications worked :\ | 22:43 |
| BUGabundo | I tried all those new gnome3 and unity WMs | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | but.... they aren't for me | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | I like classic | 22:44 |
| jo-erlend_ | micahg, yes, that's what I'm experiencing with a live session, but when it's installed, I don't get any greeter at all. I can't login first and then run startx either. FailsafeXServer worked for a little while, but then it stopped working as well. | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | but.... ITS BROKEN to hell | 22:44 |
| jo-erlend_ | yup. | 22:44 |
| charlie-tca | The really sad part is the Xubuntu images are broken to the point they won't let you install | 22:44 |
| micahg | jo-erlend_: there was a bug where the greeter didn't get installed, but that was fixed | 22:44 |
| jo-erlend_ | when? | 22:45 |
| jo-erlend_ | I used yesterdays image. | 22:45 |
| micahg | oh, idk about images, charlie-tca would know more | 22:45 |
| charlie-tca | heh, broken | 22:45 |
| charlie-tca | I don't really know about the Ubuntu images. I haven't tried them this week | 22:46 |
| jo-erlend_ | guess I'll give it another shot at the next alpha. | 22:47 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: all I can see on my side is that it fails to upgrade | 22:55 |
| BUGabundo | I just forced it | 22:55 |
| BUGabundo | hope it gets okay on the next reboot | 22:55 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: which fails to upgrade? | 22:55 |
| BUGabundo | ligthdm | 22:55 |
| charlie-tca | Make sure lightdm-greeter-gtk is installed | 22:57 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: did you still have lubuntu-desktop intalled? | 22:59 |
| BUGabundo | I think I've removed most of it | 23:01 |
| micahg | k, lubuntu-desktop was just fixed | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | Does lubuntu use lightdm now? | 23:06 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: they were, they switched back to lxdm until the conf file issue is fixed | 23:07 |
| charlie-tca | I see | 23:07 |
| antihero | \a | 23:40 |
| antihero | argh, my nouveau module is loading for some reason and now it's saying "nvidia" module is not found :( | 23:41 |
| BUGabundo | WOW | 23:42 |
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