/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/07/28/#ubuntu-beginners.txt

duanedesignhello geirha. Havent seen you in awhile. I've been real busy. How have you been?00:02
OmsniffiscentAnyone run spotify through wine? Suddenly songs will stop playing after a few seconds. I don't lose sound, the track timer actually stops.00:11
duanedesignhmm, afraid I have never used it00:12
duanedesignmight be a spotify issue. Do not know if their documentation would be of any help00:13
OmsniffiscentThey have a linux native version but you have to pay for it because they can't put ads in it because their ads require adobe flash.00:13
philipballewOmsniffiscent, but linux has adobe flash?00:29
OmsniffiscentIt's proprietary. The linux native version doesn't even have ad support, so it's not that I don't have adobe flash. It's that Spotify didn't put ads in the linux version because it requires adobe flash.00:31
Omsniffiscentso it's a paid service, the native client.00:32
holsteinmaybe its worth paying for ?00:51
Doktor_Zhivagowhere is the bash profile file kept in ubuntu02:05
Doktor_Zhivagonm02:13
gigeniekshi guys04:20
stlsaintgigenieks: hey04:20
gigeniekswhat is point of this channel?04:20
stlsaintgigenieks: we offer support for ubuntu and community entities04:21
holsteingigenieks: check out the /topic :)04:21
gigenieksI am going to set up Virtual Box and Windows 7 in VB.04:22
gigenieksWhat articles should I read?04:22
stlsaintcool04:22
gigenieksbtw using Kubuntu 11.0404:22
gigenieksnot Ubuntu04:23
gigeniekswould appreciate some basic links04:23
stlsaintgigenieks: there is a kubuntu irc channel fyi04:23
gigenieksand if can "how to install properly" too!04:23
holsteini think you can get areo support now in the more recent Vbox04:23
gigenieksyeah but it is almost empty04:23
gigenieks:/04:23
holsteingigenieks: its going to be a lot like a normal windows install04:23
gigenieksStep 1 - Install Virtual Box04:25
gigenieksany links for Kubuntu04:26
gigenieks?04:26
holsteini usually just do in with apt04:26
holsteinyou can search in, and use whatever package manager you want04:26
holsteinassuming the opensource virtualbox is acceptable for you, you can just run sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose04:28
gigenieksopened K Package Kit04:30
gigenieksthere is04:30
gigenieksVirtualBox OSE04:30
gigenieks"Runs several virtual systems on a single host computer"04:30
gigenieksthere is also some other things04:31
gigeniekslike virtualbox-guest-additions "guest additions iso image for VirtualBox"04:31
gigenieksetc04:31
holsteinyou'll probably want that at some point... i do that from inside the guest though04:32
holsteinthats more what thats about04:32
philipballewcan someone help with hardware here. on my desktop when i install ubuntu i boot into the live cd, install and what not fine. but when i boot up grub shows the install is there but i select it the os and it just goes to a blank screen04:35
holsteinphilipballew: you can get to the desktop live?04:36
gigenieksholstein: I searched in K Package Kit "virtual box"04:41
gigenieks9 results04:41
gigenieksshould I install all that stuff?04:42
holsteingigenieks: right, just choose the main pacakge i mentioned earlier04:42
gigenieksor just VirtualBox OSE "Run several virtual system on a single host computer"04:42
holsteinit'll pull in what it needs04:42
gigenieksok04:42
gigenieksanother thing:04:43
gigenieksshould I close amorak, chromium etc when I install VB?04:43
gigenieksdont want to fix something that I could avoid in first place04:44
holsteindepends04:45
holsteinhow much ram do you have?04:45
gigenieks1GB (64bit Kubuntu) right now is used:04:45
gigenieks750MB RAM04:45
gigenieksand 230MB swap04:46
holsteinthats going to be tight04:46
gigenieksOK I will then close everything04:46
holsteinyou wont be able to do a lot of gymnastics on either OS at once04:46
gigenieksbtw04:46
gigeniekshow long it would install?04:46
holsteindepends on how hard you can push win704:47
gigenieksnormally04:47
holsteingigenieks: what?04:47
holsteinwin7?04:47
gigenieksVB04:47
holsteini have no idea04:47
holsteinoh... depends on your internet04:47
holsteinits not tiny... could take a bit04:47
holsteinnot 20 minutes04:47
holsteinnot 20 seconds either though04:47
gigenieksok will report how it went04:48
gigeniekssee a bit later04:48
holsteinif you can give 256 to windows, you'll be alright04:48
holsteinand i read that win7 is OK with that... or better than vista was at least04:48
gigenieks"256" what you mean?04:49
holstein256mb of ram04:49
gigenieksahh... VB splits ram with host OS (my case Kubuntu)04:51
gigenieksmeaning if Kubuntu uses 700mb, Win7 will use 300?04:51
holsteinright04:51
holsteinthat would be a good goal... 700/30004:52
gigenieksthen I have another question04:52
holsteini find going 512/512 makes the host a little laggy04:52
holsteinno matter the guest04:52
gigenieksDo Win7 need as much ram as "real" Win7?04:52
holsteingigenieks: thats the thing04:52
holsteinthis is real win704:53
holsteinas far as win7 knows, it's on hardware04:53
holsteinsame requirements and whatnot04:53
philipballewholstein, sorry, problems kept me away. i could try that. i have reinstalled with 3 different distros and the same result04:53
gigeniekshow can I put it more clearly04:53
holsteincan you get by with less ram this way04:53
gigeniekswell 300mb on Win7 would be terrible :04:53
holsteinand no...04:53
philipballewholstein, well save this till you finish this guy04:53
philipballewill let the channl know what happens04:54
holsteinbut, i have no first hand experience of win7, so i cant say04:54
gigenieksanyway have to try04:54
philipballewwin 7 has a 1 gig min req04:54
holsteinyou'll just have to try it... i read it was leaner again like XP was04:54
holsteinphilipballew: yeah? i read 256 i thought...04:54
holsteinanyways, you'll find out gigenieks  :)04:55
holsteinphilipballew: did you ever get to the live desktop04:55
holstein?04:55
holsteini dont think its the distro, i think its the graphics card04:55
holsteinim going to guess nvidia again... but maybe not04:55
philipballewhols04:56
holsteinIF you have not made it to the live desktop, i would get a 10.04 live CD... when if first cranks up, hit shift... then you'll see an F6 menu04:56
philipballewholstein, gonna try now04:56
holsteinselect the nomodeset option04:56
philipballewmakin a usb booter04:56
holsteinand see if you get to the desktop04:56
holsteinim not sure if 11.04 has it, but it should04:57
philipballewi use unetbootin04:57
holsteinthat shouldnt matter... just getting into that option is all04:57
gigenieksok going install see later04:58
holsteingigenieks: good luck04:58
holsteinhttp://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/system-requirements04:58
holsteinyeah, 1gb of ram :/04:59
holsteinthats a lot... i still remember seeing 256 would work04:59
philipballewwhen i bought this the guy there told me04:59
philipballewi told him it was unimportand but he ouldnt listen04:59
philipballewubuntu is like 3 something i think05:04
gigenieksVB installed fine05:05
gigenieksnow I have to do some "googling"05:05
gigeniekswhat, how, why etc :)05:05
holsteingigenieks: start it up and look around05:05
holsteindownload some small iso's like gparted and try using them on a virtual machine05:06
gigeniekswhy not right away Win7?05:06
gigenieksP.S. opened its help05:07
holsteinsure... do what you want05:07
gigenieks266 pages05:07
gigenieks:o05:07
philipballewgood news. i got the server to come up holstein05:14
philipballewbad news. forgot the password. ill figure it out05:14
holstein:/05:14
holsteinits not 12345 ?05:14
holstein;)05:14
philipballewi usually have a 18 long password but its not that. haha. might drop to a root shell and change it05:15
philipballewits scarry how easy it was to change my password05:30
pleia2physical access is always end game ;)05:31
philipballewpleia2, that must be something you know from experience, considering your job and what not05:57
pleia2yeah, it's pretty much the first thing you learn about system security05:59
philipballewi lock down my system bios. thats about all right now06:01
samsulhiiii08:05
samsulhave nice connect08:06
kripkornhello08:19
oCeanhello kripkorn08:19
kripkorni need some help08:20
kripkorni juz install ubuntu today08:20
kripkorneverything fine08:20
kripkornonly my fonts seem sluggish08:20
alvwil87Hi there guys08:44
^anhooub-it^hello08:46
alvwil87Hey guys I relatively new to Ubuntu (I was using openSUSE and Mint before). How to I add applications to the top bar? I can't seem to find it in version 11.0409:01
nit-witalvwil87, it is difficult look on the web for Web Ud8 links on what you want there.09:03
alvwil87thanks mate! Is it more or does 11.4 seem more cumbersome than previous editions?09:05
m4n1shalvwil87: it is still a work in progress09:06
alvwil87cheers09:06
m4n1shalvwil87: it is a new UI called Unity which they started nearly from scratch last year oct/nov09:07
m4n1shso what you have in 11.04 is a product which had just 5 months to develop09:07
m4n1shI am also using Unity 3D and waiting for it to improve. Still have hopes09:07
alvwil87I thought Unity was originally developed for the net book a year or two ago09:07
m4n1shyes, it was developer on mutter window manager09:07
m4n1shdue to some problems of performance they moved it to compiz window manager09:08
m4n1sheffectively re-writing many parts of it09:08
m4n1shin 11.10 you would have Unity 2D which is a less resource-hungry version of Unity09:09
m4n1shwhich is  made using Qt09:09
alvwil87What is going to happen to Gnome option for users09:09
m4n1shyou mean gnome-shell?09:09
m4n1shit would also be present in repositories in 11.1009:09
m4n1shI am running 11.10's development version09:09
m4n1shusing Unity3D, Unity 2D and gnome-shell09:10
m4n1shall work great09:10
alvwil87it seems like a poor cousin of unity. They haven't given it much love/attention09:10
m4n1shalvwil87: which one? gnome-shell?09:10
m4n1shgnome-shell has been in development for longer than unity09:10
alvwil87gnome shell09:11
m4n1shright now it looks more stable09:11
alvwil87why did they move away from gnome in the first place09:11
m4n1shbut the speed at which devs developed unity, I am hopeful it would be awesome in next one year09:11
m4n1shalvwil87: design differences09:11
m4n1shanyway only the user interface - gnome-shell and unity are different09:11
m4n1sheverything below the hood is same09:11
m4n1shyou would have all the same gnome applications still present09:12
m4n1shUbuntu 11.10 = GNOME3 minus gnome-shell plus unity (and some more non-UI changes)09:12
alvwil87I used 10.10 - which was awesome but got disheartened when they launched unity. I moved to mint which was good but then they upgraded the edition and now it sucks also. so I'm back to square one09:13
m4n1shUnity in 10.10 was very very slow09:13
m4n1shI could not even use it09:13
m4n1sh11.04 was atleast usable09:13
m4n1shwhich mint were you using ? Linux Mint Debian Edition? LMDE?09:14
alvwil87really? I never really noticed. 10.04 had some technical problems from what I recall - which were then taken care of in 10.1009:14
alvwil87I was using the main edition with the gnome environment09:14
m4n1shhmm09:15
alvwil87I think it's code name was katays09:15
m4n1sh10.10 was pretty slow even it had more features09:15
m4n1shanyway in 11.10 you can use any of them09:15
m4n1shUnity 3D and Unity2D would be installed by default09:15
m4n1shgnome-shell would be present in repos09:15
alvwil87I actually pretty impressed with unity. After hearing all the bad criticism I was expecting some more unusable than KDE09:16
m4n1shha ha KDE09:19
m4n1shremember how unstable was KDE when 4.0 came out09:19
m4n1shand when KDE 4.3 came out, they fixed most of the problems09:20
m4n1shand it became very stable09:20
m4n1shit re-enforced my belief that software takes time to mature09:20
alvwil874.6 is pretty good...not great, it still has some way to go09:20
alvwil87if/when linux becomes more main stream, I can see kde becoming one of the main contenders09:21
alvwil87Gnome 3 in it's current form is very difficult to use. It takes time to access your programs and the whole thing seems quite slow09:22
m4n1shyeah. even I like KDE a lot09:23
m4n1shexcept that sometimes I feel that their Preferences window has too many options09:23
m4n1shit is just my view. Others can disagree09:23
alvwil87You should give openSUSE 11.4 a try. I would strongly recommend it. I don't say that lightly either I never been a great fan of KDE but that distro is so solid09:27
alvwil87ok mate, I'll see you round!09:29
kripkornwhat player can play movie with srt files09:47
bioterrorvlc for example09:48
kripkornok tq09:51
oCeankripkorn: please don't ask the same question in multiple channels09:51
oCean!crosspost09:52
ubot2Please don't ask the same question in multiple Ubuntu channels at the same time. Many helpers are in more than one channel and it's not fair to them or the other people seeking support.09:52
M0hioCean: nice work =]10:23
alvwil87Hi there, does anybody know how I can download embedded video clips from the Internet. Is there are program I can use which will do this for me?11:19
Sidewinder1alvwil87, Take a look at "Unplug", it's a Firefox add-on.11:20
alvwil87Sidewinder1: Ok, thanks. In Ubuntu 10.10 I could just retrieve the video clip from my temp directory and save them to my drive. Why has this changed?11:22
Sidewinder1alvwil87, I have no ides why; however many web-sites don't want you to download their content so they try to do things to prevent it. Then "we" have to find a work-around. :-)11:24
alvwil87Cool, I'm just installing the plug-in now :)11:26
alvwil87Sidewinder1: I tried that extension but it doesn't seem to work. Are there any other alternatives11:36
Sidewinder1alvwil87, Perhaps here, if you haven't already looked: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/download-flash-and-video/11:44
^anhooubb-ithello13:00
holstein^anhooubb-it: we need to have some dialog13:46
holsteinwould you prefer it in a PM ?13:46
^anhooubb-it?13:48
^anhooubb-itas you prefer :-)13:48
^anhooubb-itbut I need help with 10.0413:49
^anhooubb-itcan I ask?13:49
holstein^anhooubb-it: if you get a moment, check the /topic13:49
chenthuhey holstein...how r u?13:50
holsteinchenthu: o/13:50
chenthuholstein: what happened to ur XP install...working?13:50
chenthuholstien: got the drivers?13:50
^anhooubb-itDon't ask to ask,ok :-)13:51
^anhooubb-itso I have some problems: 1) I have the 10.04 and when I close the laptop cover, ubuntu frosts and there's no way to unlock it, while it should just turn off the brightness of the screen 2) why the ubuntu logo with the progress bar doesn't appears anymore at the startup? 3) when I am out of gnome and I start the terminal, I can read only a small part of the text on the left, while the most of the text is not 13:51
holsteinchenthu: of course :)13:51
chenthuholstien: good13:52
holsteinhow about your graphics issue?13:52
holstein^anhooubb-it: sounds like you might need to look at your graphics driver too13:53
chenthuholstein: not resolved....but i wa sucessfully able to install nvidia graphics..but my desktop wouldnt load13:53
holsteini know with older hardware (older/unsupported) ^anhooubb-it, i usually disable screen/lid triggers like that13:54
chenthuholstein: but i am not worried anymore...learning a lot and still have some more plans to make it work....enjoying it though13:54
^anhooubb-ityes I have an old notebook. So I have to disable screen/lid triggers? How?13:58
^anhooubb-itHow to check my graphic driver and update it?13:58
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holstein^anhooubb-it^: first, check and apply upgrades14:04
^anhooubb-it^done14:04
holsteinwhat hardward is it?14:04
^anhooubb-it^my graphic card is SIS14:05
^anhooubb-it^can I find something in synaptic?14:08
^anhooubb-it^'lo charlie-tca14:08
holstein^anhooubb-it^: you already have drivers installed14:09
holsteinwhat netbook?14:09
^anhooubb-it^notebook acer aspire 363014:11
^anhooubb-it^I checked in synaptics and I have already installed this: xserver-xorg-video-sis (SiS display driver. the package provides the drivers for all SiS and XGI volari cards. this package is built from the x.org xf86-video-sis driver module)14:20
holstein^anhooubb-it^: you wont break anything (AFAIK) installing that14:21
holsteinit probably wont do anything though without configuring14:21
holsteini would run lspci and google 'ubuntu sis whatever'... see if you can find someone else with that issue14:21
holsteinSIS is not very well supported though14:21
^anhooubb-it^AFAIK???14:22
holsteinyou might just have to disable sleep, and deal with it14:22
holsteinAFAIK = as far as i know14:22
holsteini have one SIS GPU on a box here that i just bypass with an nvidia graphics card14:23
^anhooubb-it^ok thank you14:25
holstein^anhooubb-it^: you should try it though... that would have been 10.04 since i tried14:26
* charlie-tca by-passes SIS on his motherboard with an Nvidia card too14:28
* holstein high-fives charlie-tca 14:29
holsteini was afraid the monitor was breaking when i was trying to make it work14:29
stlsaintcharlie-tca: o/14:29
^anhooubb-it^how can I see what's my graph-card?14:34
pedro3005lspci maybe14:35
holstein^anhooubb-it^: i would run in a terminal lspci14:35
^anhooubb-it^i or L?14:36
holsteinlol... both14:36
^anhooubb-it^L ^^14:36
holstein*l* spc *i*14:36
holsteinlspci14:36
charlie-tcaLSPCI in small letters14:36
holstein^^ just copy and paste it14:36
^anhooubb-it^01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter14:37
^anhooubb-it^lol he don't know what's the right version xD14:37
^anhooubb-it^661, 741, 760, 662 or 761?14:38
holsteinhttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-571530.html14:39
holsteintheres an xorg.conf ^^ you could try14:39
^anhooubb-it^sorry missed the first line:14:41
^anhooubb-it^Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661FX/M661FX/M661MX Host (rev 11)14:41
^anhooubb-it^I think it is M661MX14:41
^anhooubb-it^I Can't see that page! >:-O14:44
holstein^anhooubb-it^: your going to spend a lot of time to *maybe* get something moderately better than what you have now14:46
holsteinif the graphics look ok, i say disable monitor sleep, and let SIS know you are having a hard time14:46
holsteini would also try live CD's like 11.04, and see if the support is getting better (i dought it though)14:47
ubuntu_____assalammualaikum~15:44
ubuntu_____kat sini tau tak macam mana nak betulkan GRUB..15:44
ubuntu_____yang hanya keluar memtest+  kat menu entry dia ..15:45
ubuntu_____aku pakai kubuntu 11.04..15:45
ubuntu_____hanya ada satu partition untuk kubuntu..15:46
ubuntu_____dan tiada windows..15:46
IAmNotThatGuyubuntu_____, English15:46
charlie-tca!malay15:47
ubot2Factoid 'malay' not found15:47
^anhooubb-it^lol15:47
charlie-tca!ms15:49
ubot2Factoid 'ms' not found15:49
IAmNotThatGuycharlie-tca, what are you trying for?15:49
charlie-tcamalay language15:49
charlie-tcagot any ideas?15:50
ubuntu_____translation: malay--> eng15:50
IAmNotThatGuycheck whether its there in http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi15:50
ubuntu_____peace be upon you~15:50
ubuntu_____theres anyone know how to repair the GRUB menu..15:51
IAmNotThatGuyubuntu_____, yeah! explain your issue15:51
IAmNotThatGuywhat happened?15:51
ubuntu_____only memtest+ menu entry appear..15:51
IAmNotThatGuy!grub15:51
ubot2GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)15:51
IAmNotThatGuyubuntu_____, so, you have a live CD or usb with you now? and is it 9.10 or above?15:52
ubuntu_____i just reinstalled grub menu before this cause the grub menu is missing before..15:52
IAmNotThatGuyhmmm!15:52
ubuntu_____yeah, i'm using it right now15:52
IAmNotThatGuyyou missed a command called "update-grub" in terminal15:53
IAmNotThatGuyplease open the terminal and type that15:53
ubuntu_____i have done that  but the output only memtest+ appear..15:54
IAmNotThatGuyhmmm! thats strange15:54
IAmNotThatGuysudo os-prober15:54
IAmNotThatGuywhats that showing?15:54
IAmNotThatGuyubuntu_____, I think that will fetch your Ubuntu install.15:55
* IAmNotThatGuy waits15:56
ubuntu_____/dev/sda1:Ubuntu 11.04 (11.04):Ubuntu:linux15:57
ubuntu_____thats the output..15:58
^anhooubb-it^holstein : thank you but the problem is that *the 10.04 CAN'T not doing an action when the laptop cover is closed.* the possibilities are blanck screen (sleep), hybernate or suspend. So I can't disable monitor sleep without have a disconnection.15:58
IAmNotThatGuyubuntu_____, now try sudo update-grub16:02
ubuntu_____/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `aufs'.16:03
IAmNotThatGuyubuntu_____, give me some minutes. I have to google for that and my internet is slow like an earthworm16:04
ubuntu_____IAmNotThatGuy: okay..16:09
ubuntu_____this is my question at askubuntu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/54536/why-doesnt-grub-detect-my-installation16:17
IAmNotThatGuyQuestion #16588116:21
IAmNotThatGuyubuntu_____, please look at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+question/16588116:22
* Geodude pulls hair out.16:27
* IAmNotThatGuy helps Geodude :P16:28
GeodudeEh. It's not an ubuntu problem. It's an arch linux problem. And they are not as helpful.16:29
IAmNotThatGuyawweee! :{16:30
GeodudeThey're the opposite of helpful.16:30
IAmNotThatGuyhmmm!16:30
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AlphaPsiHello I was wondering to how access Ubuntu /home partition from Windows17:02
IAmNotThatGuy!imagebin17:16
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philipballewon my duel boot system. i have Ubuntu and a Ubuntu derivative. my Ubuntu derivative requires the nomodset option to be deleted from the boot parameters. how do i make this perminent18:59
bioterroreasily ;)19:00
holsteini do that in the grub file that starts with 'do not edit this file'19:00
holsteini bet bioterror knows better than me though :)19:00
bioterror$ sudo nano /etc/default/grub19:00
bioterrorGRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"19:00
bioterroredit that and update-grub19:00
bioterrorand reboot19:01
philipballewdo i need to be booted into my system that i need to deleate the nomedset?19:01
bioterrorno19:01
bioterrorbut I would do it19:01
bioterrorotherwise you need to chroot19:01
bioterror:D19:01
philipballewalright. ill try it19:02
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tm2184354How do I install ubuntu 10.04.2 on a machine with only a dvdrom on an sata raid card?19:34
tm2184354Sorry let me clarify. The machine has a sata dvdrom connected to a raid card, aand no ide dvdrom, How can I install Ubuntu 10.04.2 from that drive.19:39
philipballewusb?19:39
tm2184354The motherboard is too old to boot from usb19:40
philipballewwhat is the ram?19:40
tm21843541024 MB19:40
philipballewhows a motherboard that old and still have a gig of ram? odd. wont the dvd rom read the ubunntu cd?19:41
philipballewunless you cant boot from it19:41
philipballewthen i recomend taking the hd out poping it in a case. and install from another machine19:42
tm2184354The motherboard will hold max 2gig, the dvd will read until the main install screen but wont go any further19:43
tm2184354I have the same problem if I try installing windows19:44
holsteintm2184354: i literally cant move around here without stepping on a CDrom drive right now19:44
philipballewthen its not ubuntu releated as much as it may be hardware related.19:44
holsteinmaybe you should just look for a $2 one at a charity shop19:44
philipballewgo to the dump and take one from the e waste19:45
tm2184354I may just have to do that, thanks alot19:45
philipballewit probably works, but the computer is fried19:45
bioterrorhmmm19:45
bioterrortry alternate?19:45
bioterror!alternate | tm218435419:45
philipballewbioterror, i thought that, then he said windows has the same issue19:45
ubot2tm2184354: The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download#alternate - See also !minimal19:45
philipballew!minimal | tm218435419:46
ubot2tm2184354: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD19:46
bioterrorminimal is not having server kernel19:46
bioterrorif I recall right19:47
philipballewi would recommend alt over minimal but the gig of ram can hold the default live CD just fine19:47
bioterrorI will stand corrected if needed19:47
philipballewits installs the bare minimum19:47
philipballewgood for building a dedicated task computer19:47
tm2184354Thanks for all the help I do appreciate it19:47
philipballewcome back when you get the drive and well help if something isnt perfect with install to19:48
tm2184354I will do that and again thanks19:48
bioterrortry alternate first19:49
bioterrorwaste one CD-R or CD-RW for me ;)19:49
philipballewnever hurts bioterror19:50
chenthucan some one help me with this natty install?19:53
philipballewgo for it chenthu19:54
philipballewwhats up19:55
chenthuphilipballew: i get display errors while installing.....19:55
philipballewwhat type of display errors?19:56
chenthuphilipballew:  it boots upto the purpule ubuntu logo and background then it gets a scarmbled screen where it get stuck19:56
philipballewif i were you i would try installing with the alternate installer19:57
philipballewits not as fancy looking, but less graphacal and therefor might work19:57
holsteinyeah, i have sent chenthu to the live CD though to try and get the graphics sorted out19:57
chenthuphilipballew:  i did try that too...and got it installed...but have these errors ......  http://paste.ubuntu.com/653847/19:57
holsteinsince chenthu had a functional alternate install at one oint19:58
holsteinpoint*19:58
holsteinits all about the vesa driver chenthu19:58
philipballewtrue ^19:58
chenthuholstein: is there a seperate image for live cd?19:58
holsteini say, stop messing about, and put in an custom xorg.conf to force the vesa driver, and enjoy :)19:58
holsteinthat'll at least get you a desktop, and a common place to revert to19:59
holsteinanyways... im running out the door... laterx19:59
chenthuholstein:  how to do that?...xorg.conf...19:59
chenthuholstein:  : oh ok...np thanks bye19:59
philipballewdo you know what he ment chenthu20:00
chenthuphilipballew:  yeah he said i have to replace the xorg.conf file...how to do that?20:01
philipballewuhh. ive done it once before do you have a file ready to replace it with?20:01
chenthuphilipballew: nope...how to make that file?...any link?20:02
philipballewim unsure myself to be honest. you talked to him about this issue before?20:02
chenthuphilipballew:  yeah....nut not abt xorg.conf?20:03
chenthuphilipballew:  but will google now20:03
philipballewhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96935420:03
philipballewi googled as well20:03
chenthuphilipballew:  thank you very much...will get to with the results if u are free... :)20:04
philipballewi always have time if i am loggged in :)20:05
chenthuphilipballew: :)20:05
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philipballewis formating my flash drive with ext4 a good idea?21:12
philipballewor is that not made for flash drives?21:13
nit-witphilipballew, should be no problem unless you want windows to see it21:16
philipballewcant remember the last time i ever needed to :)21:16
nit-witlol21:17
philipballewcan osx read ext ?21:19
philipballewhow would i change the permissions of a folder and all its files from root to me?22:17
joel135hmm22:18
joel135try the command chown in a terminal22:18
joel135what is your usename?22:19
philipballewphilip22:22
philipballewi need it to affect all files inside the folder22:22
philipballewi figured it out its: sudo chown -R  philip:philip22:25
pirlo89Hi, is there a way to make the google gadget sidebar to be NOT on top all the time ? because once it's clicked on, it becomes on top.23:46

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