[00:21] alright, must have android apps? [00:35] wordfeud (craig@decafbad.net) [00:36] also, congratulations on the sexing of your new arrival [00:36] (man, that came out weird) [00:37] lol [00:38] thanks (?) [00:38] :) [00:43] lol [11:29] I <3 my subaru [11:29] that is all :) [11:59] morning [12:02] party [12:09] rick_h_: the wet roads made you <3 your subaru today? :) [12:09] greg-g: telegraph was flooded in 3 places [12:09] one whole intersection shut down [12:09] had to go on the sides of the road around it [12:09] stuck cars in a few places [12:09] was awesome! [12:10] You had to go around it? Bah! [12:11] Buy a Jeep and drive on through! :-D [12:11] well the police cars with flashing lights kept me from trying [12:11] but I was tempted [12:11] I saw the one stuck car and think at that depth/level of moving water I could have made it [12:11] whenever the road I'm on is flooded out, I slow way down.... to allow the car in front of me to clear the puddle so I can blast on through at a decent speed. XD [12:11] yea, that's what killed me [12:12] morons don't know how to hit the water running [12:23] rick_h_: haha, awesome indeed :) [12:24] well, on my bike ride in..... no, nevermind, not nearly as cool :( [12:24] man, you ride in today? [12:24] you're crazy [12:25] bwuhahaha, 16gb of ram in the new work desktop [12:25] <3 [12:25] geez [12:30] ugh, this bios blows [12:30] rick_h_: I see you got your love note from IT. ;) [12:30] thinks the usb thumb drive is a hard drive [12:30] rick_h_: it wasn't really raining when i came in, just wore the rain pants/jacket and I was good to go [12:30] in order to boot from it you have to set the usb drive as the first hard drive and set hard drive as the first boot option [12:30] of course once I pull it you know the device names will change and grub will choke [12:30] werid [12:31] greg-g: ah, very cool [12:31] rick_h_: Is this a Dell? [12:31] yea I guess I did see the radar letting up to the west this morning [12:31] no, some home built thing [12:31] asus amd something or other [12:31] usually you can bring up a boot menu [12:31] Asus you shold be able to just boot from the USB key, unless they've changed something [12:31] and that lets you choose which hard drive to boot from [12:31] yea, what I mean is that the boot menu only shows one hard drive [12:31] and only the first hard drive in the 'hard drive' menu [12:32] yeah, like rapidly hitting escape / del [12:32] ah [12:32] it seems like the eeepc was like that [12:32] but yea, 16gb of ram, 1.5tb disk [12:32] Oh, that sucks. [12:32] yea, it's a pita [12:32] oh well [12:32] Burn a CD. ;) [12:32] tempted, but that involves finding a blank in the office and hearing that damn thing spin all day [12:33] all day? [12:33] it's slow vs usb [12:33] bah, 45mins [12:33] Thought this was a boot once, install, and done deal? [12:34] installing from cd is dreadfully slow [12:34] I'm used to my 5min installs usb->ssd [12:34] rick_h_: Pfft. One hour, and you're done. [12:34] If that [12:34] of course, i am thinking of an ubuntu install [12:34] jcastro: should be happy, finally installing 11.04 [12:34] gonna rip out the good stuff? [12:35] Bah, haven't you heard? All the cool kids are on 11.10 now [12:35] hah [12:35] going to see about making this all VM, use vagrant [12:35] It's got all of the fixes that'll never be backported to 11.04 [12:35] rick_h_: don't go messing with your laptop before pyohio [12:35] brousch: no, not touching it [12:35] this is all just on this desktop [12:36] moving windows around 11.04 with a projector is not fun. not really something you want to do for the first time at a big conference [12:36] heh, no the laptop is still on arch [12:36] brousch: I've had no problems with mine. [12:36] not getting an ubuntu install until maybe the next LTS [12:36] Runs smooth on a projector [12:37] mirror works well [12:37] Yeah, that's what I use. [12:37] I have stupid "windows go everywhere!" when I switch between 1 and 2 monitors [12:37] non-mirror does not work well [12:37] especially with impress [12:37] Impress is not happy under Natty [12:37] Er, I'm thinking INkscape [12:37] forgive. [12:38] inkscape isn't so bad [12:38] meh, doing rst->pdf and using pdf as the presentation format [12:38] seems to be working really well so far [12:38] i'm using S5 [12:38] I don't use Impress for presentations anyway. I use PDFs. [12:38] scary, never thought of pdfs as a presentation format, but here we go [12:39] good portability. so when i step on your laptop and the only person willing to lend you one runs winME, you're still good to go [12:39] They work. That's what the problem is [12:39] lol [12:41] It's not even a question of fallback, it completely short-circuits the process. [12:41] God, why do I even try to rsync anything over wireless. [12:41] because you enjoy pain [12:42] Hooked the laptop to wired ethernet, and just transfered a file in seconds that didn't even finish in a half hour [12:42] And, which saturated the network enough that the iPhone couldn't connect to wireless. ;) [12:42] yea, days I love my wired gb switch [12:42] brousch: Indeed. [12:42] This isn't even 1gb, it's still 100mb [12:43] But still, faster than almost 54mb [12:43] ah, with the N network, 100mb isn't quite fast enough [12:44] Still rockin' the WRT54GL. ;) [12:44] Unfortunately Tomato doesn't support many N routers that I'm aware of [12:45] we use wrt54g at work. very solid [12:45] though I'm starting to think that I'll need to forego it in favor of one of the other firmwares if I do decide to upgrade. [12:45] where's jrwren when I need him. He should read http://paste.ofcode.org/StxVZ8hfdhPhbbLAvq53rb and mike beyer's post on https://plus.google.com/109591387819364984777/posts/DNHcVxyP8Gs [12:46] yea, I have my tomoato router handling some of the network [12:46] but had to get the N for the netflix streaming [12:48] I think the biggest hurdle in SQLAlchemy is knowing what you want in SQL, but not knowing the syntax enough to get there. [12:48] but that's not a fault of the ORM by a long shot [12:48] I'm with Les Orchard to a certain extent [12:49] ? [12:49] His comment is under Michael Foord's [12:49] ah, had to pull the page back up [12:53] heh, i shut down my last slicehost slice a year or so ago. they still send me a monthly invoice for -$0.71 [12:53] yes, i have a 71 cent credit left over [12:54] They likely have some logic that won't cut a check until that credit is over $1 [12:58] I really, really hate the Thinkpad Wireless drivers on this laptop [12:58] Any time I go somewhere else, I have to manually find my own router. [12:59] Just so they can show me that stupid distance graph [13:01] Morning conference call is awesome. [13:02] woot [13:02] Just a listening in call, so that's good [13:08] And of course because I'm not using enough bandwidth, McAffee is doing an update. [13:12] lol, ubuntu install finished and when it went for a reboot is ejected the cdrom [13:12] wait, isn't it supposed to? [13:12] oh, you didn't use a CD [13:12] haha [13:13] right, just funny [13:13] that is kind of hilarious [13:13] Love that someone is using their laptop near the microphone. [13:14] oh come on, the laptop is the microphone [13:14] It's a good mic [13:14] gah! this is ghastly [13:14] Whatever they're using. [13:14] rick_h_: Let me help you. [13:14] how do you guys use this? giant freaking images [13:14] it burns!!!!! [13:15] You can change that. [13:17] They're sliding the microphone back and forth [13:17] sounds like a creative labs mic. [13:18] rick_h_: lol [13:18] Wow, this is like nails on a chalkboard. [13:18] I'm stuck, it's downloading (very slowly) an ati driver so I can't apt-get install awesome, etc [13:19] http://ubuntuone.com/p/zFB/ [13:20] snap-l++ [13:20] http://askubuntu.com/questions/29553/how-can-i-configure-unity [13:21] it's ok, I just turned off that monitor for now. I'll wait for the install of the driver to finish and then I'll fix things :) [13:24] speaking of 11.10, how easy is it to get up in xen on 11.04 ? [13:25] I abandoned Xen for KVM [13:25] And Virtualbox [13:25] rick_h_: nice sql alchemy writeup there. [13:25] so am I reading this correctly, that the wx module is producing the error because it can't find a bitmap image? http://pastebin.com/Kf95fL25 [13:26] Paste the sample code? [13:27] i probably meant KVM [13:27] I don't recall what VM I went with last. :) [13:27] I used the virtual manager under 11.04 for my demo at MUG because Virtualbox wouldn't boot the image I had [13:27] and it worked fine [13:28] snap-l: http://pastebin.com/jaE5rnjz [13:28] I've not stressed it mugh, though [13:29] to run 11.11 ? [13:29] No, was running 10.04 [13:46] Wow, it's really raining here. [13:46] Love the rain [13:46] though not loving that I need to put the trash out in the rain. [14:05] Hey, at least you don't have to drive through downtown in the rain [14:06] Utterly ridiculous [14:10] I'm having trouble getting wxpython installed on this machine [14:10] 2.9.2 isn't setting up nicely. [14:11] :-( [14:11] another sunny and 95 day here in cinci [14:12] Trying a more direct approach. ;) [14:13] Wolfger: Which version are you using? 2.8 or 2.9? [14:14] ok, coffee engaging brain... Despite traceback pointing me at line 47, I think the problem may be coming from line 46, where a .png is specified... a .png which I'm pretty sure does not exist on my machine [14:15] That's what I was hoping to demo [14:15] unfortunately, I don't think this thing installs via pip [14:16] 2.8 is what I have [14:16] I got the error as a dialog box [14:17] One sec while my personal cloud waits [14:17] on windows you really need to use the right installer [14:18] Yeah, it's really tricky under Windows. [14:18] have to match your python version, 32bit/64bit, and unicode [14:19] http://ubuntuone.com/p/16e0/ [14:19] python 2.7, wx 2.8-32bit-unicode [14:19] Space Invaders? Seriously? LOL [14:20] wow, that's nice that you get a dialog box like that [14:21] I just get a flicker of the screen. Had to Google the setting to dump the traceback to a log file so I could find out any damned thing [14:23] did you know: there's Frozen Bubble for Android? [14:23] * gamerchick02 is a Frozen Bubble fan. [14:23] FB FTW [14:23] :) [14:23] free no ads. [14:23] I'll be downloading that soon. Thanks! [14:24] i was gonna get angry birds, but then i'm like... it has ads. [14:24] oh, you're welcome [14:24] :) [14:24] nice to see someone else loves it too! :) [14:25] FB, FB Plus, and FB level editor [14:27] hi [14:27] are those zuckerberg's newest scams for making money? [14:27] yes [14:27] Someone needs to make a Facebook RPG [14:28] It could be like adventure with the winklevoss twins as the dragons [14:28] Frozen Bubble, guys! [14:28] it's on android. i found it! it's awesome. [14:28] and privacy concerns as the bat, that takes away your sword. [14:29] Yawn. Wake me when there's an iPhone version. ;) [14:29] snap-l look in the iphone store. there might be. [14:29] how do you use an iphone with linux? don't you need itunes? [14:30] I don't. It's my work iPhone. [14:31] Goes with the work computer [14:31] oh [14:32] you're work gave you an iphone? [14:32] wow [14:32] neat [14:33] snap-l: issue confirmed. Found an existing .png to use and put the full path in on line 46, and I'm a happy coder (er... copy & paster? :-p) [14:34] I sort of have a work phone. My SIM in it, and really, it's not assigned to me, more like they don't mind me using it, esp. since I do mobile stuff for work [14:35] but, technically at any minute my boss could say someone else needs to use it, and it's out. heh [14:36] heh [14:37] I thought that Apple banned GPL apps from their app store? [14:37] http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-store/8046 [14:38] Maybe they changed their mind. IDK [14:39] I need to stop copy/pasting crap and type the code myself. Not only would I catch errors like that, but also when I go to insert code I'm getting "unexpected indent" errors because the pasted code isn't indented the same as handwritten code :-p [14:44] you know what I hate about the phone hacking community: their over use of web forums to release software. Holy unable to tell what the current version is, batman! [14:44] ptenhoopen, that's kind of crap. though it's Apple, they can do what they want with their app store. [14:44] greg-g: yea, +1 on that [14:46] GPL is banned from the store because its impossible to link GPL code with the core cocoa libraries. [14:46] LGPL should be fine. [14:48] And SDL is dual licensed for that reason (LGPL / Commercial) [14:49] and mysql and mono and dozens of others. [14:49] Has anyone dealt with Contextual Arabic before? for rendering glyphs on screen? [14:51] Not I, good sir. [14:51] https://twitter.com/#!/castrojo/statuses/96590908715307008 [14:51] https://one.ubuntu.com/ [14:52] Temporary maintenance [14:52] Ubuntu One is currently down for maintenance and will be back soon. All of your data is safe and we're working to restore service quickly. [14:52] For information about upcoming maintenance windows subscribe to our mailing list, check our blog or follow Ubuntu One on twitter and identi.ca to get updates. [14:52] (*sigh*) [14:52] http://www.spreadshirt.com/fail-narwhal-C3376A5534525 [14:59] heh [14:59] There we go. Site is up. [14:59] Wow, now folks get 5GB for free. [15:10] ....and this is why semi-colons at the end-of-line is so much better than whitespace being a significant part of the code [15:11] Blazeix: any issues with Virtualbox lately? [15:11] I'm trying to get it running with little luck [15:12] well I guess Virtualbox runs, but any vms fire off errors with lack of /dev/vboxdrv and such [15:13] Which version are you using? [15:14] 4.1.0 OSE [15:16] what is why? [15:16] I much prefer whitespace [15:16] VB is awesome like that [15:16] ugh [15:17] I don't want to hunt through code to find where there's an extra/missing indent. [15:17] snap-l: I love how they say to follow U1 on identi.ca, but the identi.ca account hasn't been updated at all today, no 5 gig annoucement nor bit about downtown. (I already complained to beuno privately) [15:18] Wolfger: the exception tells you where it is [15:18] yeah, line number and all :) [15:18] better yet, install pyflakes and it'll tell you right away [15:18] "you don't want this here...move it!" [15:18] i need to start using stuff like that, pyflakes and pylint [15:19] brousch: at pyohio hit me up, we'll get your vim all setup [15:19] my what? [15:19] vim [15:19] what else are you hooking pyflakes/pylint into? [15:19] :P [15:19] pydev! [15:19] * rick_h_ sighs [15:19] lol [15:19] i think i had pylint in it before my HD fail [15:19] i am mostly using gedit lately [15:20] * rick_h_ dbl sighs [15:20] i know [15:20] hey, nothing wrong with using a basic editor for things [15:20] if you're using gedit you might as well be using vim [15:20] if you're day isn't solely spent developing, that is [15:21] :P [15:21] greg-g: sssh, you're harshing my brousch guilt trip [15:21] lol [15:21] oh right, yeah, gedit suxorz [15:21] see! even greg-g says so [15:21] * greg-g hides his gedit instance [15:21] and he knows all! [15:22] it does syntax highlighting, line numbers, paren matching, has an embedded python console, spell checking, snippets, indents correctly, shows me line at 80chars [15:22] embedded console? [15:22] check the plugins [15:22] neat [15:22] oh wait, sorry... [15:22] that's lame! [15:22] rick_h_: man, my desk setup is awesome with those arms [15:23] if you're awesome, you can use the python console to manipulate your code [15:23] rick_h_ greg-g: Yeah, the exception points me right to the line number, and I'm looking at it thinking "there's nothing wrong with that!", and I delete the whitespace and retype it, and magically the code works. [15:23] rick_h_: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ea4k8SXVmAUah4jwKTjhekqsPcXl0ndrBoGKzLUgZuo?feat=directlink [15:23] jcastro: <3 never regret getting them. [15:23] Wolfger: get a real editor! [15:23] apparantly, 2 tabs != 10 spaces even when each tab is 5 spaces wide [15:23] like gedit [15:24] Wolfger: rule #1...don't ever ever ever use tabs [15:24] rick_h_: I bought another corner of a galant, I will combine it with mine to make megadesk, with a total of 4 arms [15:24] brousch: On Windows, I like ConText [15:24] you need to be beaten with the pep8 stick [15:24] find the "replace tabs with spaces" in your editor and move along [15:24] jcastro: looks awesome [15:24] rick_h_: wtf? Why not? [15:24] thou shalt use 4 spaces to indent. no more, no less [15:24] Wolfger: tis the law [15:24] what's wrong with tabs? [15:25] tabs > spaces [15:25] diaf! [15:25] Wolfger: I'll just warn you now. If you go to the python community with tabs in your file you will get flamed [15:25] but seriously, the python convention is 4 spaces [15:25] tools like pydev will yell at you [15:25] and if you mix tabs/spaces even python will yell at you [15:25] the very strong python convention [15:25] very very string coding convention [15:26] you'll find the rule with less vigor in ruby world and even the JS world lately [15:26] though they use two spaces [15:26] but never a tab [15:27] fascists [15:31] you can't spell efficiency without fascism [15:31] greg-g: Even better, the iPhone link for U1 Music goes tot he android page. [15:32] snap-l: lolz [15:35] OK, fixed the settings so 1 tab == 4 spaces and not hard tabs. Had to retype all the whitespace in the program, but it works now [15:36] I even mixed it up a bit, alternating lines of 2 tabs and 8 spaces indent, and Python treated them as equal. I'm happy now. [15:39] For the love of God, don't do that in real life. ;) [15:40] remember tomorrow: http://www.sysadminday.com/ [15:44] jrwren: DDG will throw up any stack site, they index the raw dumps that are published [15:45] rick_h_: did you figure out the vbox issue? [15:45] you need to be in vboxusers, and modprobe vboxdrv [15:45] also, vboxnetflt (i think that's what it's called) for networking [15:47] brousch: is it just me, or are all of the images at the bottom of the page broken (and thus, highly ironic) [15:47] hah! very nice [15:47] all of the sharing buttons [15:51] greg-g: It's not just you. [16:01] yeah man, DDG is SWEET [16:01] i'm loving it more and more every day. [16:13] Blazeix: ah, ok, thanks [16:13] yea, didn't have the group [16:21] http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Release_Notes [16:22] "Any Two Squeezeboxes Can Be a Stereo Pair" [16:22] Now I can justify getting another one. ;) [16:24] http://consumerist.com/2011/07/dont-bother-applying-for-a-job-unless-you-have-one-some-listings-say.html [16:25] irony. i love it. [16:25] gamerchick02: Yeah, I love that logic. [16:25] 'Oh we want someone experienced!!!" [16:25] "but how will i get experience without a job?" [16:26] logic, how does it work. [16:26] i'm about ready to put "self employed" on my resume. [16:26] a big part of getting a job is who you know [16:26] so get out there and meet some people [16:27] i'm surprised the queen of the nile doesn't have a good job-search team [16:27] but i can't afford to go anywhere! and the people I know are unemployed or retired! [16:27] Interesting, squeezebox server moved to sqlite from mysql [16:28] brousch, i don't have that luxury. my officers would quit. and I can't afford that right now either. [16:28] what do you mean? [16:28] by your officers would quit? [16:29] if i ordered them to job search for me [16:29] it's all volunteer. [16:30] I'm not sure I'm following either [16:30] no, just as a natural part of the networking that happens in a group like that [16:30] brousch said something about a job search team. i can't order my people to do anything. i'm a figurehead of a volunteer organization. so, essentially, i can't *make* anyone do anything. i can request. [16:30] there are many people in the group. when you are mingling, you mention that you're looking for a job [16:31] Yeah, we do that at MUG [16:31] true. it's uncouth to pump people for jobs at a social event though. [16:31] folks looking for a job, folks looking to fill jobs [16:31] "i'm just talking to you because you look employed and can help me get a job" [16:31] It's not like that at all [16:31] snap-l: i saw that in the MUG video: people looking for jobs, jobs looking for people [16:32] gamerchick02: you're being much too direct [16:32] social skills, how do they work? [16:32] "i'm talking to you because you're interesting, oh, and i'm looking for a job, so if you anything comes up ..." [16:32] i'll try that approach. [16:32] thanks [16:32] social skills work like any other skill, practice practice practice [16:33] drink drink drink [16:33] :D [16:33] heh. i do need some practice. [16:33] oh, that works too. [16:33] PainBank: +1 [16:33] stop when you reach the point you lose conversational ability... a skill to be perfected [16:33] i do have an advantage that i have a wide range of interests, so barring some nit-picky stuff, i can speak with almost anyone about anything. [16:33] hence why I try to practice as often as I can [16:34] oi, that i'm not good at, PainBank (+1 to your name, btw) [16:34] haha thnx [16:36] gamerchick02: do you use anything for chat on your android phone? if so, what? [16:36] like IM? [16:36] yeah [16:36] i have the google talk program installed [16:36] andchat [16:36] google talk [16:36] does andchat do more than gtalk? [16:36] IRC client [16:36] oh. irc on my phone? [16:36] :D [16:37] that's way leet. [16:37] AndroIRC [16:37] I don't see a "google talk" app [16:38] i did a search for google talk. [16:38]