[00:21] <greg-g> alright, must have android apps?
[00:35] <snap-l> wordfeud (craig@decafbad.net)
[00:36] <snap-l> also, congratulations on the sexing of your new arrival
[00:36] <snap-l> (man, that came out weird)
[00:37] <greg-g> lol
[00:38] <greg-g> thanks (?)
[00:38] <snap-l> :)
[00:43] <rick_h_> lol
[11:29] <rick_h_> I <3 my subaru
[11:29] <rick_h_> that is all :)
[11:59] <Wolfger> morning
[12:02] <rick_h_> party
[12:09] <greg-g> rick_h_: the wet roads made you <3 your subaru today? :)
[12:09] <rick_h_> greg-g: telegraph was flooded in 3 places
[12:09] <rick_h_> one whole intersection shut down
[12:09] <rick_h_> had to go on the sides of the road around it
[12:09] <rick_h_> stuck cars in a few places
[12:09] <rick_h_> was awesome!
[12:10] <Wolfger> You had to go around it? Bah!
[12:11] <Wolfger> Buy a Jeep and drive on through! :-D
[12:11] <rick_h_> well the police cars with flashing lights kept me from trying
[12:11] <rick_h_> but I was tempted
[12:11] <rick_h_> I saw the one stuck car and think at that depth/level of moving water I could have made it
[12:11] <Wolfger> whenever the road I'm on is flooded out, I slow way down.... to allow the car in front of me to clear the puddle so I can blast on through at a decent speed. XD
[12:11] <rick_h_> yea, that's what killed me
[12:12] <rick_h_> morons don't know how to hit the water running
[12:23] <greg-g> rick_h_: haha, awesome indeed :)
[12:24] <greg-g> well, on my bike ride in..... no, nevermind, not nearly as cool :(
[12:24] <rick_h_> man, you ride in today?
[12:24] <rick_h_> you're crazy
[12:25] <rick_h_> bwuhahaha, 16gb of ram in the new work desktop
[12:25] <rick_h_> <3
[12:25] <brousch> geez
[12:30] <rick_h_> ugh, this bios blows
[12:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: I see you got your love note from IT. ;)
[12:30] <rick_h_> thinks the usb thumb drive is a hard drive
[12:30] <greg-g> rick_h_: it wasn't really raining when i came in, just wore the rain pants/jacket and I was good to go
[12:30] <rick_h_> in order to boot from it you have to set the usb drive as the first hard drive and set hard drive as the first boot option
[12:30] <rick_h_> of course once I pull it you know the device names will change and grub will choke
[12:30] <greg-g> werid
[12:31] <rick_h_> greg-g: ah, very cool
[12:31] <snap-l> rick_h_: Is this a Dell?
[12:31] <rick_h_> yea I guess I did see the radar letting up to the west this morning
[12:31] <rick_h_> no, some home built thing
[12:31] <rick_h_> asus amd something or other
[12:31] <brousch> usually you can bring up a boot menu
[12:31] <snap-l> Asus you shold be able to just boot from the USB key, unless they've changed something
[12:31] <brousch> and that lets you choose which hard drive to boot from
[12:31] <rick_h_> yea, what I mean is that the boot menu only shows one hard drive
[12:31] <rick_h_> and only the first hard drive in the 'hard drive' menu
[12:32] <snap-l> yeah, like rapidly hitting escape / del
[12:32] <brousch> ah
[12:32] <brousch> it seems like the eeepc was like that
[12:32] <rick_h_> but yea, 16gb of ram, 1.5tb disk
[12:32] <snap-l> Oh, that sucks.
[12:32] <rick_h_> yea, it's a pita
[12:32] <rick_h_> oh well
[12:32] <snap-l> Burn a CD. ;)
[12:32] <rick_h_> tempted, but that involves finding a blank in the office and hearing that damn thing spin all day
[12:33] <brousch> all day?
[12:33] <rick_h_> it's slow vs usb
[12:33] <brousch> bah, 45mins
[12:33] <snap-l> Thought this was a boot once, install, and done deal?
[12:34] <rick_h_> installing from cd is dreadfully slow
[12:34] <rick_h_> I'm used to my 5min installs usb->ssd
[12:34] <snap-l> rick_h_: Pfft. One hour, and you're done.
[12:34] <snap-l> If that
[12:34] <brousch> of course, i am thinking of an ubuntu install
[12:34] <rick_h_> jcastro: should be happy, finally installing 11.04
[12:34] <brousch> gonna rip out the good stuff?
[12:35] <snap-l> Bah, haven't you heard? All the cool kids are on 11.10 now
[12:35] <rick_h_> hah
[12:35] <rick_h_> going to see about making this all VM, use vagrant
[12:35] <snap-l> It's got all of the fixes that'll never be backported to 11.04
[12:35] <brousch> rick_h_: don't go messing with your laptop before pyohio
[12:35] <rick_h_> brousch: no, not touching it
[12:35] <rick_h_> this is all just on this desktop
[12:36] <brousch> moving windows around 11.04 with a projector is not fun. not really something you want to do for the first time at a big conference
[12:36] <rick_h_> heh, no the laptop is still on arch
[12:36] <snap-l> brousch: I've had no problems with mine.
[12:36] <rick_h_> not getting an ubuntu install until maybe the next LTS
[12:36] <snap-l> Runs smooth on a projector
[12:37] <brousch> mirror works well
[12:37] <snap-l> Yeah, that's what I use.
[12:37] <greg-g> I have stupid "windows go everywhere!" when I switch between 1 and 2 monitors
[12:37] <brousch> non-mirror does not work well
[12:37] <brousch> especially with impress
[12:37] <snap-l> Impress is not happy under Natty
[12:37] <snap-l> Er, I'm thinking INkscape
[12:37] <snap-l> forgive.
[12:38] <brousch> inkscape isn't so bad
[12:38] <rick_h_> meh, doing rst->pdf and using pdf as the presentation format
[12:38] <rick_h_> seems to be working really well so far
[12:38] <brousch> i'm using S5
[12:38] <snap-l> I don't use Impress for presentations anyway. I use PDFs.
[12:38] <rick_h_> scary, never thought of pdfs as a presentation format, but here we go
[12:39] <brousch> good portability. so when i step on your laptop and the only person willing to lend you one runs winME, you're still good to go
[12:39] <snap-l> They work. That's what the problem is
[12:39] <rick_h_> lol
[12:41] <snap-l> It's not even a question of fallback, it completely short-circuits the process.
[12:41] <snap-l> God, why do I even try to rsync anything over wireless.
[12:41] <brousch> because you enjoy pain
[12:42] <snap-l> Hooked the laptop to wired ethernet, and just transfered a file in seconds that didn't even finish in a half hour
[12:42] <snap-l> And, which saturated the network enough that the iPhone couldn't connect to wireless. ;)
[12:42] <rick_h_> yea, days I love my wired gb switch
[12:42] <snap-l> brousch: Indeed.
[12:42] <snap-l> This isn't even 1gb, it's still 100mb
[12:43] <snap-l> But still, faster than almost 54mb
[12:43] <rick_h_> ah, with the N network, 100mb isn't quite fast enough
[12:44] <snap-l> Still rockin' the WRT54GL. ;)
[12:44] <snap-l> Unfortunately Tomato doesn't support many N routers that I'm aware of
[12:45] <brousch> we use wrt54g at work. very solid
[12:45] <snap-l> though I'm starting to think that I'll need to forego it in favor of one of the other firmwares if I do decide to upgrade.
[12:45] <rick_h_> where's jrwren when I need him. He should read http://paste.ofcode.org/StxVZ8hfdhPhbbLAvq53rb and mike beyer's post on https://plus.google.com/109591387819364984777/posts/DNHcVxyP8Gs
[12:46] <rick_h_> yea, I have my tomoato router handling some of the network
[12:46] <rick_h_> but had to get the N for the netflix streaming
[12:48] <snap-l> I think the biggest hurdle in SQLAlchemy is knowing what you want in SQL, but not knowing the syntax enough to get there.
[12:48] <snap-l> but that's not a fault of the ORM by a long shot
[12:48] <snap-l> I'm with Les Orchard to a certain extent
[12:49] <rick_h_> ?
[12:49] <snap-l> His comment is under Michael Foord's
[12:49] <rick_h_> ah, had to pull the page back up
[12:53] <brousch> heh, i shut down my last slicehost slice a year or so ago. they still send me a monthly invoice for -$0.71
[12:53] <brousch> yes, i have a 71 cent credit left over
[12:54] <snap-l> They likely have some logic that won't cut a check until that credit is over $1
[12:58] <snap-l> I really, really hate the Thinkpad Wireless drivers on this laptop
[12:58] <snap-l> Any time I go somewhere else, I have to manually find my own router.
[12:59] <snap-l> Just so they can show me that stupid distance graph
[13:01] <snap-l> Morning conference call is awesome.
[13:02] <rick_h_> woot
[13:02] <snap-l> Just a listening in call, so that's good
[13:08] <snap-l> And of course because I'm not using enough bandwidth, McAffee is doing an update.
[13:12] <rick_h_> lol, ubuntu install finished and when it went for a reboot is ejected the cdrom
[13:12] <greg-g> wait, isn't it supposed to?
[13:12] <greg-g> oh, you didn't use a CD
[13:12] <greg-g> haha
[13:13] <rick_h_> right, just funny
[13:13] <greg-g> that is kind of hilarious
[13:13] <snap-l> Love that someone is using their laptop near the microphone.
[13:14] <rick_h_> oh come on, the laptop is the microphone
[13:14] <snap-l> It's a good mic
[13:14] <rick_h_> gah! this is ghastly
[13:14] <snap-l> Whatever they're using.
[13:14] <snap-l> rick_h_: Let me help you.
[13:14] <rick_h_> how do you guys use this? giant freaking images
[13:14] <rick_h_> it burns!!!!!
[13:15] <snap-l> You can change that.
[13:17] <snap-l> They're sliding the microphone back and forth
[13:17] <snap-l> sounds like a creative labs mic.
[13:18] <greg-g> rick_h_: lol
[13:18] <snap-l> Wow, this is like nails on a chalkboard.
[13:18] <rick_h_> I'm stuck, it's downloading (very slowly) an ati driver so I can't apt-get install awesome, etc
[13:19] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/p/zFB/
[13:20] <greg-g> snap-l++
[13:20] <snap-l> http://askubuntu.com/questions/29553/how-can-i-configure-unity
[13:21] <rick_h_> it's ok, I just turned off that monitor for now. I'll wait for the install of the driver to finish and then I'll fix things :)
[13:24] <jrwren> speaking of 11.10, how easy is it to get up in xen on 11.04 ?
[13:25] <snap-l> I abandoned Xen for KVM
[13:25] <snap-l> And Virtualbox
[13:25] <jrwren> rick_h_: nice sql alchemy writeup there.
[13:25] <Wolfger> so am I reading this correctly, that the wx module is producing the error because it can't find a bitmap image? http://pastebin.com/Kf95fL25
[13:26] <snap-l> Paste the sample code?
[13:27] <jrwren> i probably meant KVM
[13:27] <jrwren> I don't recall what VM I went with last. :)
[13:27] <snap-l> I used the virtual manager under 11.04 for my demo at MUG because Virtualbox wouldn't boot the image I had
[13:27] <snap-l> and it worked fine
[13:28] <Wolfger> snap-l: http://pastebin.com/jaE5rnjz
[13:28] <snap-l> I've not stressed it mugh, though
[13:29] <jrwren> to run 11.11 ?
[13:29] <snap-l> No, was running 10.04
[13:46] <snap-l> Wow, it's really raining here.
[13:46] <snap-l> Love the rain
[13:46] <snap-l> though not loving that I need to put the trash out in the rain.
[14:05] <Wolfger> Hey, at least you don't have to drive through downtown in the rain
[14:06] <Wolfger> Utterly ridiculous
[14:10] <snap-l> I'm having trouble getting wxpython installed on this machine
[14:10] <snap-l> 2.9.2 isn't setting up nicely.
[14:11] <Wolfger> :-(
[14:11] <jjesse> another sunny and 95 day here in cinci
[14:12] <snap-l> Trying a more direct approach. ;)
[14:13] <snap-l> Wolfger: Which version are you using? 2.8 or 2.9?
[14:14] <Wolfger> ok, coffee engaging brain... Despite traceback pointing me at line 47, I think the problem may be coming from line 46, where a .png is specified... a .png which I'm pretty sure does not exist on my machine
[14:15] <snap-l> That's what I was hoping to demo
[14:15] <snap-l> unfortunately, I don't think this thing installs via pip
[14:16] <Wolfger> 2.8 is what I have
[14:16] <snap-l> I got the error as a dialog box
[14:17] <snap-l> One sec while my personal cloud waits
[14:17] <brousch> on windows you really need to use the right installer
[14:18] <snap-l> Yeah, it's really tricky under Windows.
[14:18] <brousch> have to match your python version, 32bit/64bit, and unicode
[14:19] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/p/16e0/
[14:19] <Wolfger> python 2.7, wx 2.8-32bit-unicode
[14:19] <Wolfger> Space Invaders? Seriously? LOL
[14:20] <Wolfger> wow, that's nice that you get a dialog box like that
[14:21] <Wolfger> I just get a flicker of the screen. Had to Google the setting to dump the traceback to a log file so I could find out any damned thing
[14:23] <gamerchick02> did you know: there's Frozen Bubble for Android?
[14:23]  * gamerchick02 is a Frozen Bubble fan.
[14:23] <Wolfger> FB FTW
[14:23] <gamerchick02> :)
[14:23] <gamerchick02> free no ads.
[14:23] <Wolfger> I'll be downloading that soon. Thanks!
[14:24] <gamerchick02> i was gonna get angry birds, but then i'm like... it has ads.
[14:24] <gamerchick02> oh, you're welcome
[14:24] <gamerchick02> :)
[14:24] <gamerchick02> nice to see someone else loves it too! :)
[14:25] <Wolfger> FB, FB Plus, and FB level editor
[14:27] <ColonelPanic001> hi
[14:27] <brousch> are those zuckerberg's newest scams for making money?
[14:27] <ColonelPanic001> yes
[14:27] <ColonelPanic001> Someone needs to make a Facebook RPG
[14:28] <snap-l> It could be like adventure with the winklevoss twins as the dragons
[14:28] <gamerchick02> Frozen Bubble, guys!
[14:28] <gamerchick02> it's on android. i found it! it's awesome.
[14:28] <snap-l> and privacy concerns as the bat, that takes away your sword.
[14:29] <snap-l> Yawn. Wake me when there's an iPhone version. ;)
[14:29] <gamerchick02> snap-l look in the iphone store. there might be.
[14:29] <gamerchick02> how do you use an iphone with linux? don't you need itunes?
[14:30] <snap-l> I don't. It's my work iPhone.
[14:31] <snap-l> Goes with the work computer
[14:31] <gamerchick02> oh
[14:32] <gamerchick02> you're work gave you an iphone?
[14:32] <gamerchick02> wow
[14:32] <gamerchick02> neat
[14:33] <Wolfger> snap-l: issue confirmed. Found an existing .png to use and put the full path in on line 46, and I'm a happy coder (er... copy & paster? :-p)
[14:34] <ColonelPanic001> I sort of have a work phone. My SIM in it, and really, it's not assigned to me, more like they don't mind me using it, esp. since I do mobile stuff for work
[14:35] <ColonelPanic001> but, technically at any minute my boss could say someone else needs to use it, and it's out. heh
[14:36] <snap-l> heh
[14:37] <ptenhoopen> I thought that Apple banned GPL apps from their app store?
[14:37] <ptenhoopen> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-store/8046
[14:38] <ptenhoopen> Maybe they changed their mind.  IDK
[14:39] <Wolfger> I need to stop copy/pasting crap and type the code myself. Not only would I catch errors like that, but also when I go to insert code I'm getting "unexpected indent" errors because the pasted code isn't indented the same as handwritten code :-p
[14:44] <greg-g> you know what I hate about the phone hacking community: their over use of web forums to release software. Holy unable to tell what the current version is, batman!
[14:44] <gamerchick02> ptenhoopen, that's kind of crap. though it's Apple, they can do what they want with their app store.
[14:44] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, +1 on that
[14:46] <jrwren> GPL is banned from the store because its impossible to link GPL code with the core cocoa libraries.
[14:46] <jrwren> LGPL should be fine.
[14:48] <snap-l> And SDL is dual licensed for that reason (LGPL / Commercial)
[14:49] <jrwren> and mysql and mono and dozens of others.
[14:49] <PainBank> Has anyone dealt with Contextual Arabic before?  for rendering glyphs on screen?
[14:51] <snap-l> Not I, good sir.
[14:51] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/#!/castrojo/statuses/96590908715307008
[14:51] <snap-l> https://one.ubuntu.com/
[14:52] <snap-l> Temporary maintenance
[14:52] <snap-l> Ubuntu One is currently down for maintenance and will be back soon. All of your data is safe and we're working to restore service quickly.
[14:52] <snap-l> For information about upcoming maintenance windows subscribe to our mailing list, check our blog or follow Ubuntu One on twitter and identi.ca to get updates.
[14:52] <snap-l> (*sigh*)
[14:52] <snap-l> http://www.spreadshirt.com/fail-narwhal-C3376A5534525
[14:59] <Wolfger> heh
[14:59] <snap-l> There we go. Site is up.
[14:59] <snap-l> Wow, now folks get 5GB for free.
[15:10] <Wolfger> ....and this is why semi-colons at the end-of-line is so much better than whitespace being a significant part of the code </grumble>
[15:11] <rick_h_> Blazeix: any issues with Virtualbox lately?
[15:11] <rick_h_> I'm trying to get it running with little luck
[15:12] <rick_h_> well I guess Virtualbox runs, but any vms fire off errors with lack of /dev/vboxdrv and such
[15:13] <snap-l> Which version are you using?
[15:14] <rick_h_> 4.1.0 OSE
[15:16] <jrwren> what is why?
[15:16] <jrwren> I much prefer whitespace
[15:16] <jrwren> VB is awesome like that
[15:16] <Wolfger> ugh
[15:17] <Wolfger> I don't want to hunt through code to find where there's an extra/missing indent.
[15:17] <greg-g> snap-l: I love how they say to follow U1 on identi.ca, but the identi.ca account hasn't been updated at all today, no 5 gig annoucement nor bit about downtown. (I already complained to beuno privately)
[15:18] <rick_h_> Wolfger: the exception tells you where it is
[15:18] <greg-g> yeah, line number and all :)
[15:18] <rick_h_> better yet, install pyflakes and it'll tell you right away
[15:18] <rick_h_> "you don't want this here...move it!"
[15:18] <brousch> i need to start using stuff like that, pyflakes and pylint
[15:19] <rick_h_> brousch: at pyohio hit me up, we'll get your vim all setup
[15:19] <brousch> my what?
[15:19] <rick_h_> vim
[15:19] <rick_h_> what else are you hooking pyflakes/pylint into?
[15:19] <rick_h_> :P
[15:19] <brousch> pydev!
[15:19]  * rick_h_ sighs
[15:19] <Wolfger> lol
[15:19] <brousch> i think i had pylint in it before my HD fail
[15:19] <brousch> i am mostly using gedit lately
[15:20]  * rick_h_ dbl sighs
[15:20] <brousch> i know
[15:20] <greg-g> hey, nothing wrong with using a basic editor for things
[15:20] <rick_h_> if you're using gedit you might as well be using vim
[15:20] <greg-g> if you're day isn't solely spent developing, that is
[15:21] <rick_h_> :P
[15:21] <rick_h_> greg-g: sssh, you're harshing my brousch guilt trip
[15:21] <greg-g> lol
[15:21] <greg-g> oh right, yeah, gedit suxorz
[15:21] <rick_h_> see! even greg-g says so
[15:21]  * greg-g hides his gedit instance
[15:21] <rick_h_> and he knows all!
[15:22] <brousch> it does syntax highlighting, line numbers, paren matching, has an embedded python console, spell checking, snippets, indents correctly, shows me line at 80chars
[15:22] <greg-g> embedded console?
[15:22] <brousch> check the plugins
[15:22] <greg-g> neat
[15:22] <greg-g> oh wait, sorry...
[15:22] <greg-g> that's lame!
[15:22] <jcastro> rick_h_: man, my desk setup is awesome with those arms
[15:23] <brousch> if you're awesome, you can use the python console to manipulate your code
[15:23] <Wolfger> rick_h_ greg-g: Yeah, the exception points me right to the line number, and I'm looking at it thinking "there's nothing wrong with that!", and I delete the whitespace and retype it, and magically the code works.
[15:23] <jcastro> rick_h_: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ea4k8SXVmAUah4jwKTjhekqsPcXl0ndrBoGKzLUgZuo?feat=directlink
[15:23] <rick_h_> jcastro: <3 never regret getting them.
[15:23] <brousch> Wolfger: get a real editor!
[15:23] <Wolfger> apparantly, 2 tabs != 10 spaces even when each tab is 5 spaces wide
[15:23] <brousch> like gedit
[15:24] <rick_h_> Wolfger: rule #1...don't ever ever ever use tabs
[15:24] <jcastro> rick_h_: I bought another corner of a galant, I will combine it with mine to make megadesk, with a total of 4 arms
[15:24] <Wolfger> brousch: On Windows, I like ConText
[15:24] <brousch> you need to be beaten with the pep8 stick
[15:24] <rick_h_> find the "replace tabs with spaces" in your editor and move along
[15:24] <rick_h_> jcastro: looks awesome
[15:24] <Wolfger> rick_h_: wtf? Why not?
[15:24] <brousch> thou shalt use 4 spaces to indent. no more, no less
[15:24] <rick_h_> Wolfger: tis the law
[15:24] <Wolfger> what's wrong with tabs?
[15:25] <Wolfger> tabs > spaces
[15:25] <brousch> diaf!
[15:25] <rick_h_> Wolfger: I'll just warn you now. If you go to the python community with tabs in your file you will get flamed
[15:25] <brousch> but seriously, the python convention is 4 spaces
[15:25] <rick_h_> tools like pydev will yell at you
[15:25] <rick_h_> and if you mix tabs/spaces even python will yell at you
[15:25] <brousch> the very strong python convention
[15:25] <rick_h_> very very string coding convention
[15:26] <rick_h_> you'll find the rule with less vigor in ruby world and even the JS world lately
[15:26] <rick_h_> though they use two spaces
[15:26] <rick_h_> but never a tab
[15:27] <Wolfger> fascists
[15:31] <greg-g> you can't spell efficiency without fascism
[15:31] <snap-l> greg-g: Even better, the iPhone link for U1 Music goes tot he android page.
[15:32] <greg-g> snap-l: lolz
[15:35] <Wolfger> OK, fixed the settings so 1 tab == 4 spaces and not hard tabs. Had to retype all the whitespace in the program, but it works now
[15:36] <Wolfger> I even mixed it up a bit, alternating lines of 2 tabs and 8 spaces indent, and Python treated them as equal. I'm happy now.
[15:39] <snap-l> For the love of God, don't do that in real life. ;)
[15:40] <brousch> remember tomorrow: http://www.sysadminday.com/
[15:44] <jcastro> jrwren: DDG will throw up any stack site, they index the raw dumps that are published
[15:45] <Blazeix> rick_h_: did you figure out the vbox issue?
[15:45] <Blazeix> you need to be in vboxusers, and modprobe vboxdrv
[15:45] <Blazeix> also, vboxnetflt (i think that's what it's called) for networking
[15:47] <greg-g> brousch: is it just me, or are all of the images at the bottom of the page broken (and thus, highly ironic)
[15:47] <brousch> hah! very nice
[15:47] <brousch> all of the sharing buttons
[15:51] <snap-l> greg-g: It's not just you.
[16:01] <jrwren> yeah man, DDG is SWEET
[16:01] <jrwren> i'm loving it more and more every day.
[16:13] <rick_h_> Blazeix: ah, ok, thanks
[16:13] <rick_h_> yea, didn't have the group
[16:21] <snap-l> http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Release_Notes
[16:22] <snap-l> "Any Two Squeezeboxes Can Be a Stereo Pair"
[16:22] <snap-l> Now I can justify getting another one. ;)
[16:24] <gamerchick02> http://consumerist.com/2011/07/dont-bother-applying-for-a-job-unless-you-have-one-some-listings-say.html
[16:25] <gamerchick02> irony. i love it.
[16:25] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Yeah, I love that logic.
[16:25] <gamerchick02> 'Oh we want someone experienced!!!"
[16:25] <gamerchick02> "but how will i get experience without a job?"
[16:26] <gamerchick02> logic, how does it work.
[16:26] <gamerchick02> i'm about ready to put "self employed" on my resume.
[16:26] <brousch> a big part of getting a job is who you know
[16:26] <brousch> so get out there and meet some people
[16:27] <brousch> i'm surprised the queen of the nile doesn't have a good job-search team
[16:27] <gamerchick02> but i can't afford to go anywhere! and the people I know are unemployed or retired!
[16:27] <snap-l> Interesting, squeezebox server moved to sqlite from mysql
[16:28] <gamerchick02> brousch, i don't have that luxury. my officers would quit. and I can't afford that right now either.
[16:28] <brousch> what do you mean?
[16:28] <brousch> by your officers would quit?
[16:29] <gamerchick02> if i ordered them to job search for me
[16:29] <gamerchick02> it's all volunteer.
[16:30] <snap-l> I'm not sure I'm following either
[16:30] <brousch> no, just as a natural part of the networking that happens in a group like that
[16:30] <gamerchick02> brousch said something about a job search team. i can't order my people to do anything. i'm a figurehead of a volunteer organization. so, essentially, i can't *make* anyone do anything. i can request.
[16:30] <brousch> there are many people in the group. when you are mingling, you mention that you're looking for a job
[16:31] <snap-l> Yeah, we do that at MUG
[16:31] <gamerchick02> true. it's uncouth to pump people for jobs at a social event though.
[16:31] <snap-l> folks looking for a job, folks looking to fill jobs
[16:31] <gamerchick02> "i'm just talking to you because you look employed and can help me get a job"
[16:31] <snap-l> It's not like that at all
[16:31] <brousch> snap-l: i saw that in the MUG video: people looking for jobs, jobs looking for people
[16:32] <brousch> gamerchick02: you're being much too direct
[16:32] <gamerchick02> social skills, how do they work?
[16:32] <brousch> "i'm talking to you because you're interesting, oh, and i'm looking for a job, so if you anything comes up ..."
[16:32] <gamerchick02> i'll try that approach.
[16:32] <gamerchick02> thanks
[16:32] <brousch> social skills work like any other skill, practice practice practice
[16:33] <PainBank> drink drink drink
[16:33] <PainBank> :D
[16:33] <gamerchick02> heh. i do need some practice.
[16:33] <gamerchick02> oh, that works too.
[16:33] <brousch> PainBank: +1
[16:33] <PainBank> stop when you reach the point you lose conversational ability... a skill to be perfected
[16:33] <gamerchick02> i do have an advantage that i have a wide range of interests, so barring some nit-picky stuff, i can speak with almost anyone about anything.
[16:33] <PainBank> hence why I try to practice as often as I can
[16:34] <gamerchick02> oi, that i'm not good at, PainBank (+1 to your name, btw)
[16:34] <PainBank> haha thnx
[16:36] <greg-g> gamerchick02: do you use anything for chat on your android phone? if so, what?
[16:36] <gamerchick02> like IM?
[16:36] <greg-g> yeah
[16:36] <gamerchick02> i have the google talk program installed
[16:36] <brousch> andchat
[16:36] <brousch> google talk
[16:36] <gamerchick02> does andchat do more than gtalk?
[16:36] <PainBank> IRC client
[16:36] <gamerchick02> oh. irc on my phone?
[16:36] <PainBank> :D
[16:37] <gamerchick02> that's way leet.
[16:37] <PainBank> AndroIRC
[16:37] <greg-g> I don't see a "google talk" app
[16:38] <gamerchick02> i did a search for google talk.
[16:38] <gamerchick02> it's the official gtalk app....
[16:38] <gamerchick02> from google.
[16:39] <gamerchick02> it's in my market. i think the market for my phone isn't restricted; one of the reasons why i went with it
[16:39] <brousch> greg-g: usually it's already installed
[16:39] <gamerchick02> talk wasn't installed for me.
[16:39] <PainBank> gtalk works through... signing into gmail i believe
[16:39] <gamerchick02> some dorky programs that are pretty much useless to me were installed (twidroyd, i'm looking at you.)
[16:39] <PainBank> oh no, I have it as as sperate app
[16:39] <PainBank> just called Talk
[16:40]  * greg-g doesn't see gtalk in the market from google inc
[16:40] <PainBank> htc pisses me off. I sooo want to uninstall Peep
[16:40] <PainBank> and perhaps a few other htc apps
[16:40] <gamerchick02> hrm.
[16:40] <greg-g> PainBank: ditto for Virgin :)
[16:40] <PainBank> makes me really, really want to root the phone
[16:41] <greg-g> ditto, might push me over the edge just still this stupid app called "poynt" on my app list I can't delete
[16:42] <gamerchick02> mine is called talk
[16:43] <brousch> yeah, it just says "Talk" on the icon, and has a little while speech bubble that says "talk"
[16:43] <gamerchick02> yeah, that's google talk
[16:43] <gamerchick02> ok: how do i keep programs from starting up automatically?
[16:44] <gamerchick02> and how do i exit programs without going to "applications" and "force quit"?
[16:44] <brousch> you don't exit. exiting is deprecated behavior
[16:44] <gamerchick02> *blink blink*
[16:44] <PainBank> POWER OFF!
[16:44] <gamerchick02> what?
[16:44] <PainBank> :D
[16:45] <gamerchick02> i am confuse.
[16:45] <brousch> android will exit the program when it runs out of ram
[16:45] <PainBank> there are a few programs out there that are supposed to help with that
[16:45] <gamerchick02> but i don't want to run out of ram.
[16:45] <brousch> it is a feature
[16:45] <gamerchick02> can you tell i'm new to smartphones?
[16:45] <PainBank> but I have been unimpressed so far
[16:46] <gamerchick02> in your phone?
[16:46] <greg-g> there is no "talk" available here: https://market.android.com/developer?pub=Google+Inc.
[16:47] <brousch> hm, is gmail and google maps on there?
[16:47] <rick_h_> greg-g: if it's an official google device it has to be on there
[16:47] <rick_h_> the Talk app is actually used to be able to buy apps and such
[16:47] <gamerchick02> gah. greg-g, i promise you there's a "Talk" app on my phone and in my market. :( finding it, however might not be easy.
[16:49] <gamerchick02> i searched for talk and found a bunch of flirt apps
[16:50] <gamerchick02> oi
[16:50] <PainBank> try google chat
[16:53] <PainBank> nice, android market place on the web has my installed apps....
[16:53] <PainBank> not that I am a fan of the big G having my life documented...
[16:54] <gamerchick02> it's because your'e signed in with your google account
[16:54] <gamerchick02> has mine too.
[16:54] <PainBank> well ya. :D
[16:54] <brousch> greg-g: do you have a gmail account?
[16:54] <PainBank> of course Talk doesn't show up in there.... so it must be part of the default install of Android
[16:54] <gamerchick02> i've just given up and handed my life over to google
[16:54] <gamerchick02> i welcome our search overlords.
[16:55] <gamerchick02> PainBank, maybe that's it.
[16:55] <gamerchick02> greg-g look at your already installed apps.
[16:55] <brousch> i think you need a gmail/google account before some of that shows up
[16:56] <PainBank> oohhh the next way for senators to get blasted by the media....
[16:56] <PainBank> http://androidandme.com/2011/05/news/install-google-talk-with-video-chat-on-your-android-phone-right-now/
[16:57] <brousch> but he's not rooted
[16:57] <PainBank> back to the rooted phone
[16:57] <PainBank> haha
[16:57] <gamerchick02> politicians shouldn't have smartphones.
[16:57] <gamerchick02> seriously. you'd think they'd be smarter about taking pictures of their, ahem, parts.
[16:57] <jjesse> they have blackberries
[16:57] <jjesse> not android
[16:58] <gamerchick02> still have cameras and can tweet pics of their bits.
[16:58] <gamerchick02> that didn't sound good at all. oi.
[16:58] <PainBank> haha
[16:59] <gamerchick02> i'm glad i bring a smile to your face. :)
[16:59] <PainBank> this might help ya get gtalk installed.
[16:59] <PainBank> http://androidforums.com/fascinate-support-troubleshooting/241877-reinstall-google-talk.html
[16:59] <PainBank> meh
[16:59] <PainBank> http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&drKey=1153&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fandroidforums.com%2Ffascinate-support-troubleshooting%2F241877-reinstall-google-talk.html&v=1&libid=1311872284417&out=http%3A%2F%2Fdl.dropbox.com%2Fu%2F15246936%2Fgtalkservice.apk&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D5%26ved%3D0CGcQFjAE%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fandroidforums.com%252Ffascinate-support-troubleshooting%252F241877-reinstall-google-
[16:59] <PainBank> doh
[16:59] <PainBank> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15246936/gtalkservice.apk
[17:02] <brousch> the apk might work if he can install untrusted apps
[17:03] <Wolfger> PainBank++ (re: drink, drink, drink)
[17:05] <snap-l> I am installing Eclipse on my Windows machine
[17:05] <snap-l> FML
[17:06] <brousch> welcome to the club, come on in, have a seat
[17:14] <snap-l> I swear, Eclipse makes me feel retarded.
[17:14] <snap-l> I select new Project / Web Service
[17:15] <snap-l> and at that moment Eclipse licks it's fingers and sticks them in my ears.
[17:17] <snap-l> http://www.coderanch.com/t/448875/Web-Services/java/generate-java-class-wsdl-eclipse <- and it's discussions like this that make me stabby.
[17:17] <snap-l> Eclipse comes with the webservice tools. You just need to right click the wsdl and click the generate the java client option. No need to use any third party jar file.
[17:18] <brousch> yeah, i don't use it for java
[17:18] <brousch> it's the best python ide out there
[17:19] <snap-l> That's like saying that a shotgun is the best holepunch out there.
[17:20] <brousch> i mostly trying to rile up rick_h_ again
[17:20] <brousch> i don't actually use it for python any more, just for android
[17:29] <Dekkard> Anyone ..
[17:30] <brousch> for love?
[17:31] <Dekkard> Ewwew
[17:32] <Dekkard> I think R L Poll is looking for a Java person.
[17:32] <Dekkard> Polk
[17:33] <snap-l> I hope they can find one
[17:33] <snap-l> Because in my next life, I'm never touching Java again
[17:34] <snap-l> What the HELL is the point of a browse button that brings up an empty resource browser?
[17:34]  * snap-l gets his bikehelmet out, as apparently I'm too stupid to use Eclipse.
[17:35] <brousch> eclipse is only for the most elite developers
[17:35] <snap-l> ops pls
[17:35] <brousch> it doesn't surprise me that you are overwhelmed by it's firehose of awesomesauce
[17:40] <snap-l>  /kickban broucsch
[17:47] <jrwren> if they are doing scala in eclipse, then that is true.
[17:47] <jrwren> brousch++
[17:47] <PainBank> snap-l you win quote of the day my friend, I will remember that one!
[17:47] <PainBank> "That's like saying that a shotgun is the best holepunch out there." is awesomeness!
[17:48] <snap-l> thank you. :)
[17:48] <rick_h_> bah, devops...just means an ops person that's willing to fight ruby to install anything ugh
[17:49] <jrwren> rofl.
[17:49] <jrwren> but... rvm makes everything perfect
[17:49] <rick_h_> not when you're trying to do things system wide
[17:50] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/#!/diveintomark/statuses/96635380379566080
[17:54] <brousch> nice
[18:02] <gamerchick02> snap-l, reminds me of the quote about how when all your problems are nails, then all your solutions are hammers. or something.
[18:02] <gamerchick02> PainBank, that's totally correct about that quote being awesomesauce.
[18:02] <snap-l> When your problem is Java, the only solution is to go fuck yourself.
[18:02] <gamerchick02> java is never a problem for me. i take mine with cream and sugar.
[18:02] <gamerchick02> oh, not that java?
[18:02] <gamerchick02> :-P
[18:03] <gamerchick02> i better be careful, snap-l will come up here specifically to smack me in the head.
[18:03] <snap-l> Never let it be said I was inconsistent. ;)
[18:04] <gamerchick02> my brother, "who's that at the door?" me, "oh, that's just snap-l. he's here to smack me for what i said in irc. open the door."
[18:06] <jrwren> i just ran smartd for the first time. HOW COOL! now I get email when my disks have problems.
[18:06] <jrwren> even silly incidental problems.
[18:07] <gamerchick02> that is cool
[18:19] <jrwren> i just realized my /etc/fstab has a /dev/fd0 entry in it. yes, thsi ubuntu install is that old.
[18:19] <jrwren> its just been upgraded continuously
[18:21] <brousch> jrwren: natty finally ended my system that had been upgraded from 6.06 -> 10.04
[18:21] <brousch> natty driver issues forced me to reinstall 10.04
[18:31] <jrwren> you didn't want to brave downgrading eh?
[18:31] <jrwren> I know my system has been downgraded successfully too.
[18:32] <brousch> impressive
[18:39] <gamerchick02> http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/j26j0/for_engineers/
[18:39] <gamerchick02> there are some people who will appreciate this! :)
[18:43] <Wolfger> gamerchick02++
[18:43] <gamerchick02> :-D
[18:49] <Wolfger> Problem with that is.... I'm unable to determine if it's a joke, or for real. :-p
[18:50] <rick_h_> phew, ok there. Work machine is usable, rxvt (looks like 256 color included now) awesome, vim config, chrome
[18:53] <snap-l> At least someone is getting something done today.
[18:53] <rick_h_> heh, I'm overflowing my brain with vagrant/chef stuff
[18:53] <ColonelPanic001> gamerchick02++ for that link
[18:53] <ColonelPanic001> nice
[18:53] <rick_h_> another freaking thing to have to figure out
[18:53] <gamerchick02> thanks.
[18:53] <rick_h_> that will take me 3yrs to get anyone else to use
[18:54] <snap-l> rick_h_: you could be doing SOAP
[18:54] <rick_h_> this is very true
[18:54] <snap-l> With the glorious pile of shit that is WSDLs
[18:54] <rick_h_> but then there'd be some suicide involved
[18:54] <rick_h_> and that gets messy
[18:55] <rick_h_> now what are the odds my windows VM will migrate over to the new desktop in one swoop?
[18:55] <brousch> i predict a reactivation in your future
[18:55] <rick_h_> lol
[18:56] <rick_h_> it's a corp license install
[18:56] <rick_h_> so think that will be ok
[18:56] <rick_h_> as long as it keeps all the novel, outlook, etc crap I'll be happy
[18:56] <rick_h_> novell
[19:04] <jrwren> man, soap and wsdl isn't that bad. sheesh
[19:04] <snap-l> jrwren: Right, but add Java to the mix, and it's fucking awful.
[19:04] <rick_h_> no, it's more the code/tools tied to that
[19:05] <jrwren> that is true for * :)
[19:09] <snap-l> I find it really cute that I have to accept a license to install Sun's Java packages
[19:09] <jrwren> beware the crapware on windows.
[19:09] <snap-l> LIke "Oh, how quaint. You think I really give a shit about you"
[19:09] <snap-l> Oh I know
[19:09] <jrwren> you'll get yahoo toolbar and other spyware.
[19:09] <jrwren> but ya know... its safe and mono is evil
[19:10] <snap-l> jrwren: Don't get me started
[19:12] <jrwren> did boycott novell become boycott xamarin or boycott attachmate ?
[19:14] <snap-l> I want to say that they sucked up so far into their own asshole that they created a temporal rift in the cosmos that could only be corrected by sucking them into an alternate dimension
[19:14] <rick_h_> bah, I need a gb switch for my desk
[19:14] <rick_h_> this is taking too long
[19:14] <snap-l> Game Boy?
[19:14] <ColonelPanic001> yes
[19:14] <rick_h_> :P
[19:14] <rick_h_> I like temporal rifts
[19:24] <snap-l> OK, why was I not aware of wsdl2py?
[19:26] <rick_h_> bah, netgear...can't...keep..._....up
[20:18] <snap-l> I really, really fucking hate everything there is about WSDL and Java
[20:18] <snap-l> the tools suck
[20:18] <snap-l> the idea sucks
[20:18] <snap-l> the implementation sucks
[20:19] <snap-l> and, even better, this fucking thing can't handle fucking spaces in the file path
[20:19] <snap-l> which is fucking AWESOME
[20:20] <snap-l> this being axis2's wsdl importer
[20:20] <snap-l> er, wsdl2java confuckulator
[20:21] <snap-l> Sweeth ahiry cheeseballs of death on a cracker, it appears to work.
[20:22] <greg-g> rick_h_: gamerchick02 brousch PainBank HAH! It was already installed!
[20:22] <gamerchick02> lol. glad you found it though, greg-g
[20:24] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, figured. Things don't work if it doesn't load
[20:24] <rick_h_> all the sync stuff goes through there
[20:24] <rick_h_> when google had a login issue with it you had to manually sync gmail and such
[20:24] <rick_h_> couldn't install new apps, was a mess
[20:27] <greg-g> whoa, weird that it goes through talk
[20:27] <brousch> whew, just blasted through a bunch of slides for my talk
[20:27] <brousch> adding teh funny
[20:28] <rick_h_> brousch: awesome!
[20:28] <brousch> an hour is a long time!
[20:29] <ptenhoopen> brousch:  Is it on dropbox this time? ;)
[20:29] <brousch> yes
[20:35] <jcastro> smoser: around?
[20:36] <smoser> here
[20:36] <jcastro> got time for a google hangout today? I have some Ec2 questions
[20:36] <jcastro> it's not like time critical or anything
[20:37] <smoser> you are so hip
[20:37] <smoser> now is fine.
[20:37] <jcastro> woo
[20:39] <jcastro> ok invite sent
[20:39] <jrwren> rick_h_: i just unboxed and plugged in a gigabit switch on my deak about 1hr ago.
[20:39] <jrwren> turned off the wifi on these two computers :)
[20:39] <jrwren> mmm... gigabit
[20:41] <jcastro> smoser: ok, I am sitting in the thing waiting
[20:41] <jcastro> have you used it before?
[20:42] <smoser> trying
[20:42] <smoser> sorry
[20:43] <jcastro> hey buddy, I don't think it runs on AIX.
[20:43] <smoser> and me sitting here with my power7
[20:43] <smoser> where would i see your invite?
[20:43] <smoser> ok. i think i'm joiing
[21:03] <greg-g> man, this putting phone numbers in a new phone thing is tough
[21:03] <greg-g> hopefully this is the last time, ever, I have to do this.
[21:04] <snap-l> This is why you use Google Contacts. ;)
[21:05] <greg-g> :P I have a whole ton of g-contacts, but no phone numbers in them. I also have a lot of people in my phone who I have never emailed, so I have to create new contacts in gmail
[21:05] <greg-g> (in my old phone, that is)
[21:06] <greg-g> I wish google's contact app had a "limit to only those who have phone numbers" switch
[21:06] <greg-g> oh, hah!
[21:06] <gamerchick02> that would be nice, greg-g
[21:06] <greg-g> it dos
[21:06] <gamerchick02> it does?
[21:06] <greg-g> yep, first setting, actually :)
[21:06] <greg-g> on "Display Options"
[21:13] <jcastro> rick_h_: I can't seem to be able to figure out how to raise and lower the height of the thing
[21:16] <PainBank> greg-g: sorry for late reply, but I thought I had mentioned Talk should be a  default installed item.  meh.
[21:16] <PainBank> anyone heard of Verante linux?
[21:20] <greg-g> PainBank: yeah you may have, but I didn't believe you before :)
[21:22] <snap-l> Would someone please just buy out Oracle?
[22:00] <gamerchick02> no, but i have a bacon haiku: http://gamerchick02.tumblr.com/post/8186962015/smelling-like-bacon-the-bacon-is-now-finished
[22:58] <brousch> rick_h_: identity thief! http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/ben-rousch-gis.png