[00:09] <orangeninja> o/
[00:37] <cyberanger> average_guy: I'm the closest currently online, wrst is not much worse
[00:38] <cyberanger> I'm about 50 miles outside knoxville
[00:38] <cyberanger> but I head towards the smokies in Blount County often enough, folks live there
[00:38] <cyberanger> it is a nice area, as is kansas
[00:38] <cyberanger> in their own ways
[00:45] <average_guy> Hi cyberanger
[00:45] <average_guy> KS was pretty flat.  I grew up in NC.  My wife had never seen mountains..
[00:46] <average_guy> We love it here
[00:46] <cyberanger> average_guy: yeah, NC is nice too
[00:46] <cyberanger> Old Fort & Lake Lure area, outside Asheville
[00:46] <cyberanger> a year and a half or so there
[00:49] <average_guy> cyberanger: Been using linux long?
[00:50] <cyberanger> average_guy: over half a decade
[00:50] <cyberanger> 2004 for sure
[00:51] <average_guy> it has come a long way in the last few years as far as usability
[00:52] <cyberanger> not sure if I'd used it before that, but I figure I hadn't too much (my own computer was in 2005, all live disc before that)
[00:52] <cyberanger> some ways it's slipped up too
[00:52] <cyberanger> two steps forward, one step back
[00:52] <cyberanger> I'm not a big fan of unity, for example
[00:53] <cyberanger> requires too much for little real gain
[00:53] <average_guy> oh yes, no doubt.  I use Xfce
[00:53] <average_guy> It is getting a bit bloated.
[00:54] <average_guy> I CAN tho the way hardware is going
[00:54] <average_guy> I run on all older machines
[00:55] <cyberanger> I run lightweight on various machines, openbox or ldxe
[00:55] <cyberanger> even lighter than xfce (which has gotten fairly bad, xubuntu is worse, on par with ubuntu's gnome setup)
[00:56] <average_guy> But harddrives and memory compasity just keep climbing so it is not surprising to see that Ubuntu just keeps adding
[00:57] <average_guy> no doubt.. I just installed xubuntu for the first time, this week.  I prefer it to the regular Ubuntu
[00:58] <cyberanger> for the US & UK sure, but I seem to recall a south african being involved who might realize some catchin up is needed in parts of the world
[01:00] <cyberanger> average_guy: have you tried Lubuntu or LXDE yet
[01:00] <average_guy> I have Lxde on one of my machines.
[01:01] <average_guy> with mint
[01:01] <average_guy> Haven't tried openbox tho
[01:02] <cyberanger> crunchbang is a good starting point then
[01:02] <average_guy> Lubuntu is not a full-fledged variant yet is it?
[01:02] <cyberanger> I'vederived my own from it
[01:02] <average_guy> Yeah, I've been on there site quite a bit contemplating it
[01:02] <cyberanger> it is, as of 11.10 (not out yet, but it's already approved, testing now)
[01:03] <cyberanger> Unit193: what's the one you like
[01:03] <cyberanger> for openbox
[01:08] <average_guy> You don't lose much going from Gnome to Xfce but I feel like you lose quite a bit of functionality when you go from Xfce to Lxde
[01:22] <cyberanger> doesn't seem that way to me
[01:22] <cyberanger> in fact, it seems like I gain some, due to the freed resources
[01:34] <average_guy> yeah, well burning lubuntu iso now
[01:35] <cyberanger> there's a few glitches in the daily
[01:35] <cyberanger> due to a change in method, to conform to other offical ubuntu distros
[01:40] <average_guy> oh, really?
[01:40] <cyberanger> yeah, but that might have been fixed in the past 24 hours
[01:41] <cyberanger> oversized for some unexplained reason (well, I didn't look that hard for one) and live boot was broken, but not the install
[01:42] <cyberanger> maybe all
[01:42] <cyberanger> they used a different method before
[01:42] <cyberanger> there's mutiple ways to make a live disc
[01:43] <Unit193> cyberanger: The one I like for Openbox? Hmmm... It's not done yet or it's based on Debian (Depending on what you're talking about)
[01:44] <average_guy> have to go for a bit.  Good to meet you
[01:44] <cyberanger> nice to meet you too average_guy
[01:44] <cyberanger> Unit193: well, both :-)
[01:45] <cyberanger> but you had one already done, buddist theme
[01:45] <Unit193> That's Zenix (Also has awesome)
[01:45] <cyberanger> that's right
[01:46] <cyberanger> I can never recall the name
[01:46] <Unit193> I also have one I built from mini (really like it)
[01:46] <cyberanger> average_guy: Zenix is another worthile one
[01:46] <cyberanger> Unit193: same here
[01:46] <cyberanger> and debian netinst too
[01:53] <Unit193> Ubuntu adds crap that Xubuntu (and the rest) don't want or need and they have to remove all that crud
[01:53] <Unit193> That's how they get oversized
[02:03] <cyberanger> it's that way for all
[02:04] <cyberanger> compare debian with gnome to ubuntu, kde to kubuntu, xfce to xubuntu, ldxe.....
[02:04] <Unit193> To login to Lubuntu (or xubuntu) in lightdm, you have to select "Other" and type your username and pass or it will not work
[02:05] <Unit193> It's quite different
[02:08]  * wrst peeks in
[02:09]  * cyberanger grabs wrst & pulls him further in
[02:09] <wrst> ha ha
[02:10] <Unit193> It would work...
[02:20] <Unit193> cyberanger: ncid has a package in GetDeb now if you feel like "running on the edge" :P
[02:22] <average_guy> In lubuntu now
[02:23] <Unit193> average_guy: Nice, what version?
[02:24] <average_guy> current
[02:24] <average_guy> just downloaded
[02:24] <average_guy> running on liveCD
[02:26] <Unit193> Sweet, how do you like it? Have any questions?
[02:26] <average_guy> It is pretty nice
[02:27] <average_guy> still checking it out
[02:29] <average_guy> I liked the panel appelets that came packaged with Xubuntu.  Not much in Lubuntu
[02:29] <average_guy> I like a hardware monitor
[02:29] <Unit193> You can always add what you need/want
[12:22] <average_guy> good morning
[13:13] <wrst> morning average_guy how are things going?
[13:14] <average_guy> Another beautiful day
[13:42] <wrst> a tad on the hotside average_guy :) but still looks nice atleast
[13:54] <average_guy> ridiculous how hot it's been.  Don't even wanna go outside..
[14:00] <cyberanger> average_guy: worse in Kansas
[14:00] <cyberanger> or so I hear
[14:02] <Xpistos> Morning
[14:02] <average_guy> oh yeah, I got outta there at the right time.  They just had a record-setting winter and now a record-setting summer..
[14:03] <average_guy> Good morning Xpistos
[14:04] <cyberanger> average_guy: yeah, I wanted the winter
[14:05] <average_guy> Not me, I was LOVING how mild the winter was here
[14:19] <wrst> I like me some winter also
[14:19] <Xpistos> Hey, do any of you know how I make a table use % instead of pixel?
[14:20] <Xpistos> I tried <TD WIDTH="50%"> but it didn't work
[14:25] <Xpistos> I got it
[14:25] <Xpistos> dumb nested tags
[14:44] <cyberanger> average_guy: well, to me, this year was mild
[14:45] <cyberanger> (I'm a (former?) yankee, one who misses hockey, nearest rink is knoxville ice bears)
[14:45] <average_guy> yeah it was nice cyberanger. I like snow, just not FEET of it
[14:46] <average_guy> I'd rather have cold then hot
[14:47] <average_guy> but anything in extreme sux
[14:47] <average_guy> Watching the weather worries me that we have finally screwed up the planet for good
[14:52] <average_guy> I'm from Chicago originally.  I haven't heard anyone talk about playin hockey in years
[15:00] <cyberanger> average_guy: everything in moderation, right
[15:00] <cyberanger> GO BLACKHAWKS
[15:03] <cyberanger> hey cosmicpizza
[15:03] <cyberanger> How's France?
[15:05] <cyberanger> Bonjour cosmicpizza
[15:06] <cyberanger> Comment la France?
[15:06] <cosmicpizza> hi there howdy ?
[15:07] <cosmicpizza> france is getting a little on my nerve
[15:07] <cosmicpizza> cause sarkozy
[15:08] <cosmicpizza> and all its politicians
[15:08] <cosmicpizza> but i' m not too bad
[15:08] <wrst> whoa cosmicpizza are you in france?
[15:08]  * wrst misses lots of stuff
[15:08] <cosmicpizza> yes
[15:08] <wrst> permanent?
[15:08] <cosmicpizza> yes too
[15:09] <cosmicpizza> i' m a french guy
[15:09] <cyberanger> I was about to say, my french is old, unused for many years, and Quebec, not France
[15:09] <cyberanger> about 5pm there, guess it's the end of your workday at least
[15:09] <wrst> oh cool cosmicpizza, dare I ask how you found the tennessee loco team? :)
[15:09] <cosmicpizza> my parents are going to quebec to their rest days
[15:10] <cyberanger> politics, bad everywhere
[15:10] <cosmicpizza> but they're going to quebec only for 2 weeks
[15:10] <cyberanger> ah, vacation, right
[15:10] <cyberanger> Montreal, or elsewhere?
[15:10] <cosmicpizza> i found the tenesse loco team like every locos team in united states
[15:10] <cosmicpizza> on freenode
[15:11] <wrst> ha ha cosmicpizza glad your here :)
[15:11] <cosmicpizza> yeah montreal
[15:11] <cyberanger> nice city I hear, never been myself
[15:12] <cosmicpizza> i' d like to have a road trip in united states when i' ll the fund for doing that
[15:12] <cosmicpizza> i' ll have
[15:12] <cyberanger> cosmicpizza: it's a big country, canada too
[15:12] <cosmicpizza> are you from nashville ?
[15:13] <cosmicpizza> i' ll do this trip maybe in 3 or 4 months
[15:13] <cosmicpizza> maybe more
[15:13] <cosmicpizza> it depands of my money
[15:15] <cyberanger> you'll have much to see, and as average_guy & I were saying yesterday & today, it can be very different 1000km away
[15:15] <cosmicpizza> that' s what i like
[15:16] <cyberanger> I'm from cleveland, tn, 50 km north of chattanooga
[15:16] <cosmicpizza> all right
[15:16] <cosmicpizza> i' m near paris
[15:16] <cosmicpizza> in suburb
[15:16] <cyberanger> um, that would be 210km from nashville, I think
[15:16] <cosmicpizza> south suburb exactly
[15:16] <cosmicpizza> ok
[15:17] <cosmicpizza> nashville is the home of country music
[15:17] <cyberanger> my metric is better than my french, at least
[15:17] <cosmicpizza> i think
[15:18] <cosmicpizza> i' m living at 26 miles of paris
[15:18] <average_guy> cosmicpizza: people rockin a lot of country music ova there?
[15:19] <cosmicpizza> ova there my home or your home average guy ?
[15:19] <average_guy> in France?
[15:19] <cosmicpizza> no
[15:19] <average_guy> I didn't think so..
[15:20] <cosmicpizza> it' s reserving of some crazy people
[15:20] <average_guy> I can't stand it myself
[15:20] <cosmicpizza> lol
[15:21] <cosmicpizza> i' m using ubuntu since the breezy one
[15:21] <cosmicpizza> and it work
[15:21] <cosmicpizza> it works
[15:21] <average_guy> It linux popular in europe?
[15:22] <cosmicpizza> but today i' m using a laptop on windows seven
[15:22] <cosmicpizza> linux is very popular for server
[15:22] <cyberanger> cosmicpizza: I'd like to see Lyon
[15:22] <cosmicpizza> in france
[15:22] <average_guy> I had a Russian friend tell me it is far more popular in europe
[15:23] <cosmicpizza> my brother live in lyon
[15:23] <cosmicpizza> that' s a great town
[15:25] <cosmicpizza> ubuntu is more and more popular in france
[15:25] <cyberanger> average_guy: in russia even more than the rest, due to some microsoft-russia issues & russia's lack of IP & Copyright laws
[15:25] <cyberanger> but I know OpenSUSE is huge in Germany
[15:25] <cosmicpizza> you can see it at this adress http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/
[15:26] <cyberanger> cosmicpizza: yeah, that's what I've heard, alot of history too
[15:26] <cosmicpizza> openbsd is popular for server too in france
[15:27] <average_guy> yeah, cyberanger I hear stuff like that but I like to hear first-hand from people.  Reading, you'd think Ubuntu is popular in the US, but still very few ppl run it
[15:28] <cyberanger> cosmicpizza: for servers it's the same here, maybe a slightly bigger number of windows servers, but majority is linux
[15:29] <cyberanger> average_guy: hence why I kept to what I know, sweden germany & russia
[15:29] <cyberanger> average_guy: I'm the same way in that
[17:51] <wrst> hello ubuntulo1_
[17:51] <wrst> ugh
[17:51] <wrst> hello Unit193
[18:02] <Unit193> Howdy wrst! Didn't you do that same thing?
[18:03] <wrst> yesterday... yes :)
[19:05] <Unit193> wrst: Day going well?
[19:06] <wrst> yes sir Unit193, you?
[19:07] <Unit193> I REALLY need to move rooms...
[19:09] <Unit193> I'm just wondering, do you actually use any *ubuntu? :D
[19:54] <wrst> Unit193: yes use ubuntu server, and have my parents on ubuntu 10.10 and a few other folks
[19:55] <wrst> and Unit193 I also have 11.04 on my deskopt, linuxming on my laptop at the moment
[19:55] <wrst> hmm desktop and linux mint
[19:58] <Unit193> wrst: Ok, cool. I don't care really one way or another, I just knew you liked Arch (As another Ubuntu person I know does) I don't have the server or mint and I haven't gotten as many people to switch :P
[19:58] <wrst> ha ha Unit193 I wouldn't be such an arch desktop user if unity wasn't so bad
[20:00] <average_guy> wrst Arch eh?  I've had my eye on that lately.  I'm a little chicken tho.  How difficult is it to set up?
[20:00] <Unit193> Aye, I know someone in person that didn't like it when he upgraded, I told him to look at K/X XD
[20:00] <wrst> average_guy: not bad as long as you read the documentation
[20:01] <average_guy> I see
[20:01] <wrst> Unit193: gnome 3 is great kubuntu is substandard in my book and i've just never really gotten into xfce
[20:01] <wrst> now Unit193 i think KDE is good just kubuntu not so much
[20:02] <Unit193> Eh, I kinda like it, but it's not for me, however, I do like my Xubuntu this (and next) round. I do know that it's not for everyone
[20:04] <wrst> kubuntu just doesn't or never has worked well for me
[20:04] <wrst> distros with vanilla kde however work nicely for me
[21:26] <cyberanger> Unit193: that screenshot did prove it
[21:26] <cyberanger> telnet-irc
[21:27] <Unit193> cyberanger: Haha! Not 'til then?
[21:30] <cyberanger> Unit193: that screenshot proved beyond a reasonable doubt
[21:30] <cyberanger> (and I try to aim for paranoid reason ;-))
[21:31] <cyberanger> Unit193: I didn't pull the screenshot immaditely