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| charlie-tca | Alpha3 next week and the images are broken for lightdm still! Are we going to get it fixed? | 15:31 |
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| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: what are the bug numbers holding up the live sessions? | 15:31 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: lightdm upgrades right now remove xubuntu-desktop, I'm fixing that | 15:34 |
| charlie-tca | Great! Thanks for fixing that much. However, we still need to make the live session work in the images | 15:35 |
| charlie-tca | upgrading is nice, but we can't even have users run the live cd to do an install easily | 15:35 |
| charlie-tca | We have no usable oneiric images this week | 15:40 |
| micahg | well, it would be nice not to remove the greeter/xubuntu-desktop from those currently running oneiric :) | 15:43 |
| charlie-tca | true. Even better if we could get more people testing oneiric, too, though. | 15:44 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: I do appreciate having upgrades work. I managed to keep mine going, but I follow a lot of channels and saw the workaround a few times | 15:52 |
| charlie-tca | I did not realize it did remove xubuntu-desktop, though | 15:53 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: that's more recent due to the last upload of lightdm which makes the greeter a depends | 15:53 |
| micahg | as soon as germinate is done I"ll upload a new meta package which will fix it | 15:54 |
| charlie-tca | yes, but without installing the lightdm-greeter-gtk package manually, it still won't work | 15:54 |
| micahg | the new metapackage will have the proper greeter as a depends :) | 15:54 |
| charlie-tca | upgrades remove the example greeter without replacing it | 15:54 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you! | 15:54 |
| micahg | I also hopefully fixed the oversized issue and added pidgin-microblog | 15:55 |
| micahg | I forgot to remove epdfview, but we can do that later | 15:55 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 15:56 |
| charlie-tca | Main issue right now is being to actually our images. They are dead again | 15:56 |
| charlie-tca | Main issue right now is being *able* to actually our images. They are dead again | 15:56 |
| charlie-tca | Main issue right now is being *able* to actually *use* our images. They are dead again | 15:57 |
| madnick | knome: I implemented the fsck functionallity and animation fully, however, im not so happy with the text | 15:58 |
| madnick | I dont know if we can use images however, so i need to ask you what you think | 15:58 |
| madnick | http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/draft-fsck.ogg | 15:59 |
| micahg | my first meta upload \o/ | 15:59 |
| madnick | (there is no delay, its just me waiting for screen capture :)) | 16:00 |
| madnick | So dont worry about that part | 16:00 |
| micahg | hmm, I wonder why it didn't pick up my other change... | 16:02 |
| micahg | well, I can worry about that later | 16:02 |
| charlie-tca | :) | 16:04 |
| madnick | knome: will need to ratio scale also, in case of multiple screens :( | 16:13 |
| madnick | atm it does no such thing | 16:15 |
| micahg | ah, the other -meta change wasn't applicable since we didn't upload after the ibus-pinyin -> ibus-sunpinyin change | 18:26 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Did you know it was me, or were just really puzzled about it? ;) (yes, referring to G+ now) :D | 21:15 |
| GridCube | question; when doing the image editors comparison wiki, what comarisons should i do? | 21:17 |
| GridCube | Writen in... | Multiple format support | Crops | Adding text | Simple Interface | rezises | ... | 21:19 |
| knome | madnick, try "Droid Sans" for the fonts, with a smaller size. i'd really rather use text than images, because then we don't have to create new images if we want to add new messages | 21:19 |
| knome | GridCube, yeah. out of the pure image editing stuff, i think resize, rotate, crop and some really basic (ms paintish) stuff is needed | 21:20 |
| knome | GridCube, i also got a reply from the nathive project leader. it's not dead, it's just paused for now, and he's planning to support gtk3 in the future | 21:20 |
| GridCube | ok | 21:21 |
| knome | GridCube, can you remember what exact features were missing from it so i could maybe ask the process on those? | 21:21 |
| GridCube | how can i search the "writen in" part and what should i look at? ... | 21:21 |
| GridCube | i mean GIMP says its GTK+ and Pinta says so too, but pinta uses Mono and GIMP don't how do i point that out on the table and how do i look for such important characteristic on the multiple programs i will have to check? | 21:22 |
| GridCube | GIMP says its C+(GTK+) and Pinta C#(GTK+) should i simply add this? | 21:24 |
| knome | yeah | 21:24 |
| knome | i think that's fine | 21:24 |
| GridCube | GIMP > C(GTK+) | 21:24 |
| GridCube | ok | 21:24 |
| knome | we are probably not going to consider stuff in Qt, but... | 21:24 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know half the people by real names. I think that is a problem with google+ | 21:25 |
| knome | madnick, what do you mean with the scaling? | 21:25 |
| knome | madnick, i think the bars can always be 270px, whether it was a big or small screen/resolution | 21:25 |
| micahg | knome: GridCube either QT or Mono are an issue due to space, mono has the added issue of controversy | 21:25 |
| GridCube | charlie-tca: thats something people is arguiing to google+ people, no nicks, if you change your name on g+ you change it to the whole googleverse | 21:26 |
| knome | micahg, yes, that too, but including QT for a simple image editor is just waste of resources too :) | 21:26 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: just put in a comment that pinta requires mono | 21:26 |
| knome | doesn't G+ support nicks too, kind of | 21:26 |
| GridCube | nope | 21:26 |
| knome | there was some discussion on that somewhere | 21:27 |
| charlie-tca | no, google actually has been suspending those who use nicks | 21:27 |
| knome | i could add your nick into some other field, and it's searched when searching for people | 21:27 |
| knome | s/i/you/ | 21:27 |
| charlie-tca | and the problem is, when they suspend you for using a nick on +, it also suspends all your google accounts, including gmail | 21:28 |
| charlie-tca | I am waiting for them to send me notice, since periods in a name are no longer allowed, but when I signed up for gmail, they formatted it firstname DOT lastname | 21:29 |
| GridCube | D: | 21:29 |
| GridCube | what the... they dont allowed down dashes _ on your names, so people used dots . instead... i used it on many of my mails... | 21:30 |
| charlie-tca | That was the only naming allowed at the time | 21:30 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, the newest rule is no dashes, dots, or nicks | 21:31 |
| GridCube | XD | 21:31 |
| GridCube | thats ridiculous | 21:31 |
| charlie-tca | oh, and no initials only, too | 21:31 |
| GridCube | HAHAHA | 21:31 |
| charlie-tca | It's nuts | 21:32 |
| GridCube | oh google people, first you do searchs while i write, then you take focus from my mouse on image searches and now you go and do more crazy stuff | 21:32 |
| charlie-tca | someone goes by CJ SMITH their entire life, and it might even be their legal name, now must create a first name for google | 21:32 |
| GridCube | jajaja | 21:32 |
| charlie-tca | but, I guess it is beta, right? | 21:33 |
| GridCube | ... | 21:33 |
| GridCube | i guess | 21:33 |
| Unit193 | Looks like I should start stalking people from here too... | 21:34 |
| pleia2 | your g+ profile has a section for "other names" | 21:41 |
| pleia2 | that's where I put pleia2 | 21:41 |
| knome | Elizabeth Pleia2 Krumbach | 21:41 |
| knome | what a weird name | 21:41 |
| knome | ;) | 21:41 |
| pleia2 | pasi knome | 21:41 |
| knome | ;) | 21:41 |
| pleia2 | :) | 21:41 |
| charlie-tca | It does? | 21:42 |
| madnick | knome: the font changing is really the problem | 21:58 |
| madnick | the ratio scaling is needed if there is different resolutions on a dual monitor setup | 21:58 |
| knome | madnick, awwh. then just try a smaller text size. | 21:59 |
| madnick | i dont like the ratio scaling, it makes the bigger screen get black bars on top and bottom | 21:59 |
| madnick | atm such things are ignored, but i dont know if thats the best chooice | 21:59 |
| knome | madnick, what if you just cut the bottom/top part away on the larger screen | 21:59 |
| madnick | (in the current splash) | 21:59 |
| madnick | knome: how do you mean? | 22:00 |
| knome | i mean, on the smaller image of course | 22:00 |
| knome | just don't show everything, scale to the bigger resolution | 22:00 |
| madnick | yes | 22:00 |
| madnick | thats what its currently doing | 22:00 |
| knome | yeah | 22:01 |
| knome | is that bad? | 22:01 |
| madnick | nope | 22:01 |
| knome | okay :) | 22:01 |
| madnick | it just kinda cuts off the "hill" :P | 22:01 |
| madnick | basically, the primary screen is used | 22:01 |
| knome | that's not a problem | 22:01 |
| madnick | so it should not be a problem | 22:01 |
| knome | two monitors with different resolutions is not the most optimal setup anyway | 22:01 |
| madnick | no, and then turning on the slave monitor | 22:02 |
| knome | users of that can expect some things to be a bit kranky | 22:02 |
| madnick | only that monitor | 22:02 |
| madnick | yeah, we could skip this, because it does not impact anything else | 22:02 |
| knome | yeah, i don't think we should use too much time with it | 22:02 |
| madnick | I am using such a setup, and currently even the fb text at boot is screwed :) | 22:03 |
| knome | fb? | 22:03 |
| madnick | framebuffer | 22:03 |
| knome | mmh | 22:03 |
| madnick | when is this due? because i could finish it up quickly, but i'd like to polish a couple of things | 22:05 |
| knome | ui freeze is august 25, and that's not even a hard deadline | 22:06 |
| madnick | oh ok :P | 22:06 |
| madnick | so plenty of time | 22:06 |
| knome | yeah | 22:06 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: hehe: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/lubuntu.oneiric/revision/168 | 22:48 |
| charlie-tca | hehe | 22:49 |
| charlie-tca | everybody steals good ideas. | 22:49 |
| charlie-tca | I guess we could be in worse shape, huh? | 22:50 |
| Unit193 | That is quite funny... | 22:50 |
| charlie-tca | We are even going to have a new plymouth running this cycle | 22:50 |
| Unit193 | That's what I'm REALLY liking! I thought it was stupid to deop the loading bar (Doesn't fully tell you, but gives you more info than just a logo!) | 22:51 |
| GridCube | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Oneiric/DefaultImageEditor | 22:57 |
| GridCube | lol honesty | 22:58 |
| charlie-tca | nice | 22:59 |
| charlie-tca | gnome paint is gtk2 and cairo | 22:59 |
| charlie-tca | not too many dependentcies | 22:59 |
| GridCube | !info gnome-paint | 23:01 |
| ubottu | gnome-paint (source: gnome-paint): simple, easy to use paint program for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.0-2 (natty), package size 91 kB, installed size 832 kB | 23:01 |
| GridCube | !info gpaint | 23:01 |
| ubottu | gpaint (source: gpaint): GNU Paint - a small, easy to use paint program for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.3-6 (natty), package size 116 kB, installed size 776 kB | 23:01 |
| micahg | !msgthebot | GridCube | 23:02 |
| ubottu | GridCube: Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots. Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid". | 23:02 |
| GridCube | yes sorry | 23:02 |
| GridCube | i actually just wanted to compare gpaint to gnome-paint XD | 23:02 |
| micahg | ~same | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | requires a lot more dependencies | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | gnome-paint looks lighter | 23:03 |
| micahg | yeah, but they're all fulfilled | 23:04 |
| GridCube | fulfilled? | 23:05 |
| micahg | we already have the deps | 23:05 |
| charlie-tca | even if gimp is removed? | 23:05 |
| micahg | yeah | 23:06 |
| xrdodrx | gnome-paint has a critical bug that still hasn't been fixed | 23:06 |
| xrdodrx | the text tool does nto work | 23:06 |
| xrdodrx | I don't think it's a good replacement at all | 23:06 |
| xrdodrx | just my 2ยข | 23:06 |
| charlie-tca | add that to the wiki, please | 23:06 |
| xrdodrx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-paint/+bug/711774 | 23:07 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 711774 in gnome-paint "Text Tool is missing" [Critical,Confirmed] | 23:07 |
| charlie-tca | How you going to edit a cat picture without a text tool? | 23:07 |
| xrdodrx | charlie-tca, exactly! :) | 23:07 |
| xrdodrx | I wish it did though, so I could finally get rid of kolourpaint and all its KDE dependencies :( | 23:08 |
| charlie-tca | !info nathive | 23:08 |
| ubottu | Package nathive does not exist in natty | 23:08 |
| charlie-tca | that's a problem too. It will be too late to get that in | 23:09 |
| charlie-tca | It's not in oneiric either | 23:09 |
| charlie-tca | but, maybe for 12.04! | 23:09 |
| charlie-tca | let's see where things go from here now | 23:09 |
| xrdodrx | charlie-tca, thanks for the recommendation, I'll have to compile that from source and see how it is :D | 23:10 |
| GridCube | xrdodrx: :P i just found heliospaint, check it, sadly is java XD | 23:10 |
| charlie-tca | what recommendation? | 23:10 |
| xrdodrx | nathive | 23:11 |
| charlie-tca | I highly recommend gimp | 23:11 |
| charlie-tca | that wasn't a recommend, it was a comment about it. | 23:11 |
| pleia2 | GridCube: nice chart! :) | 23:13 |
| charlie-tca | helios paint isn't in the repositories either | 23:13 |
| GridCube | thank you, its my very first wiki edit :D | 23:13 |
| charlie-tca | hm, still liking gimp, even with a nice chart and all | 23:13 |
| GridCube | hahaha | 23:14 |
| GridCube | ecks dee | 23:14 |
| charlie-tca | OTOH, I will probably use whatever we decide on, at least once | 23:14 |
| charlie-tca | I do edit an image every year | 23:14 |
| pleia2 | heh | 23:14 |
| pleia2 | I don't actually find pinta's interface to be less confusing than gimp | 23:15 |
| pleia2 | it's just gimp but inside a box rather than having windows all over the place | 23:16 |
| charlie-tca | gimp is down to one box for tools and one box for the image itself | 23:16 |
| GridCube | charlie-tca: helios paint is writen in java, i don't think its in any repositorie, i just added there because it works on linux and because its a list and all and for fun to see what effect a java application would cause on the ML | 23:16 |
| charlie-tca | works for me | 23:16 |
| charlie-tca | java doesn't matter to me, much. I won't use it anyway | 23:17 |
| charlie-tca | but that is because I don't understand it much | 23:17 |
| GridCube | pleia2: yeah i think i should remove the [Simple Interface] and leave [MSPaintlikeness] alone | 23:17 |
| pleia2 | I don't even know what MSPaint looks like these days :) | 23:18 |
| charlie-tca | We don't much care about MSPaint, but knowing if the interface is simple is good | 23:18 |
| pleia2 | last I used it was many years ago and it was much simpler than pinta, single bar of tools down the left, file, edit, etc toolbar at the top | 23:18 |
| pleia2 | so if pinta is considered mspaint like now, mspaint has changed a lot | 23:19 |
| Unit193 | MSPain is so much different in Win7 than in XP/Vista | 23:19 |
| charlie-tca | yup, kind of like gpaint or gnome-paint, I think | 23:19 |
| charlie-tca | or maybe even tux-paint | 23:19 |
| pleia2 | yeah, more like tux-paint | 23:19 |
| * pleia2 checks out gpaint | 23:19 | |
| pleia2 | oh yes, gpaint is like old mspaint | 23:19 |
| GridCube | yeah pleia2 pinta is paint.NET lookalike, and paint.NET its like the logic evolution of mspaint | 23:19 |
| charlie-tca | hm, tux-paint is missing from the table. It has all the requirements, too. paint, text, images | 23:20 |
| pleia2 | GridCube: ah, I am clearly behind the times with my mspaint knowledge :) | 23:20 |
| charlie-tca | simple to use, | 23:20 |
| GridCube | crop and resize? | 23:20 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 23:20 |
| GridCube | ok adding it | 23:20 |
| charlie-tca | Even the kids can use it | 23:20 |
| GridCube | :) see you tomorrow :D have a nice evening/nigh/nextday | 23:57 |
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