[15:31] <charlie-tca> Alpha3 next week and the images are broken for lightdm still! Are we going to get it fixed?
[15:31] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: what are the bug numbers holding up the live sessions?
[15:34] <micahg> charlie-tca: lightdm upgrades right now remove xubuntu-desktop, I'm fixing that
[15:35] <charlie-tca> Great! Thanks for fixing that much. However, we still need to make the live session work in the images
[15:35] <charlie-tca> upgrading is nice, but we can't even have users run the live cd to do an install easily
[15:40] <charlie-tca> We have no usable oneiric images this week
[15:43] <micahg> well, it would be nice not to remove the greeter/xubuntu-desktop from those currently running oneiric :)
[15:44] <charlie-tca> true. Even better if we could get more people testing oneiric, too, though.
[15:52] <charlie-tca> micahg: I do appreciate having upgrades work. I managed to keep mine going, but I follow a lot of channels and saw the workaround a few times
[15:53] <charlie-tca> I did not realize it did remove xubuntu-desktop, though
[15:53] <micahg> charlie-tca: that's more recent due to the last upload of lightdm which makes the greeter a depends
[15:54] <micahg> as soon as germinate is done I"ll upload a new meta package which will fix it
[15:54] <charlie-tca> yes, but without installing the lightdm-greeter-gtk package manually, it still won't work
[15:54] <micahg> the new metapackage will have the proper greeter as a depends :)
[15:54] <charlie-tca> upgrades remove the example greeter without replacing it
[15:54] <charlie-tca> Thank you!
[15:55] <micahg> I also hopefully fixed the oversized issue and added pidgin-microblog
[15:55] <micahg> I forgot to remove epdfview, but we can do that later
[15:56] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Main issue right now is being to actually our images. They are dead again
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Main issue right now is being *able* to actually our images. They are dead again
[15:57] <charlie-tca> Main issue right now is being *able* to actually *use* our images. They are dead again
[15:58] <madnick> knome: I implemented the fsck functionallity and animation fully, however, im not so happy with the text
[15:58] <madnick> I dont know if we can use images however, so i need to ask you what you think
[15:59] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/draft-fsck.ogg
[15:59] <micahg> my first meta upload \o/
[16:00] <madnick> (there is no delay, its just me waiting for screen capture :))
[16:00] <madnick> So dont worry about that part
[16:02] <micahg> hmm, I wonder why it didn't pick up my other change...
[16:02] <micahg> well, I can worry about that later
[16:04] <charlie-tca> :)
[16:13] <madnick> knome: will need to ratio scale also, in case of multiple screens :(
[16:15] <madnick> atm it does no such thing
[18:26] <micahg> ah, the other -meta change wasn't applicable since we didn't upload after the ibus-pinyin -> ibus-sunpinyin change
[21:15] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Did you know it was me, or were just really puzzled about it? ;) (yes, referring to G+ now) :D
[21:17] <GridCube> question;  when doing the image editors comparison wiki, what comarisons should i do?
[21:19] <GridCube> Writen in... | Multiple format support | Crops | Adding text | Simple Interface | rezises | ...
[21:19] <knome> madnick, try "Droid Sans" for the fonts, with a smaller size. i'd really rather use text than images, because then we don't have to create new images if we want to add new messages
[21:20] <knome> GridCube, yeah. out of the pure image editing stuff, i think resize, rotate, crop and some really basic (ms paintish) stuff is needed
[21:20] <knome> GridCube, i also got a reply from the nathive project leader. it's not dead, it's just paused for now, and he's planning to support gtk3 in the future
[21:21] <GridCube> ok
[21:21] <knome> GridCube, can you remember what exact features were missing from it so i could maybe ask the process on those?
[21:21] <GridCube> how can i search the "writen in" part and what should i look at?  ...
[21:22] <GridCube> i mean GIMP says its GTK+ and Pinta says so too, but pinta uses Mono and GIMP don't how do i point that out on the table and how do i look for such important characteristic on the multiple programs i will have to check?
[21:24] <GridCube> GIMP says its C+(GTK+) and Pinta C#(GTK+) should i simply add this?
[21:24] <knome> yeah
[21:24] <knome> i think that's fine
[21:24] <GridCube> GIMP > C(GTK+)
[21:24] <GridCube> ok
[21:24] <knome> we are probably not going to consider stuff in Qt, but...
[21:25] <charlie-tca> I don't know half the people by real names. I think that is a problem with google+
[21:25] <knome> madnick, what do you mean with the scaling?
[21:25] <knome> madnick, i think the bars can always be 270px, whether it was a big or small screen/resolution
[21:25] <micahg> knome: GridCube either QT or Mono are an issue due to space, mono has the added issue of controversy
[21:26] <GridCube> charlie-tca: thats something people is arguiing to google+ people, no nicks, if you change your name on g+ you change it to the whole googleverse
[21:26] <knome> micahg, yes, that too, but including QT for a simple image editor is just waste of resources too :)
[21:26] <charlie-tca> GridCube: just put in a comment that pinta requires mono
[21:26] <knome> doesn't G+ support nicks too, kind of
[21:26] <GridCube> nope
[21:27] <knome> there was some discussion on that somewhere
[21:27] <charlie-tca> no, google actually has been suspending those who use nicks
[21:27] <knome> i could add your nick into some other field, and it's searched when searching for people
[21:27] <knome> s/i/you/
[21:28] <charlie-tca> and the problem is, when they suspend you for using a nick on +, it also suspends all your google accounts, including gmail
[21:29] <charlie-tca> I am waiting for them to send me notice, since periods in a name are no longer allowed, but when I signed up for gmail, they formatted it firstname DOT lastname
[21:29] <GridCube> D:
[21:30] <GridCube> what the... they dont allowed down dashes _ on your names, so people used dots . instead... i used it on many of my mails...
[21:30] <charlie-tca> That was the only naming allowed at the time
[21:31] <charlie-tca> yeah, the newest rule is no dashes, dots, or nicks
[21:31] <GridCube> XD
[21:31] <GridCube> thats ridiculous
[21:31] <charlie-tca> oh, and no initials only, too
[21:31] <GridCube> HAHAHA
[21:32] <charlie-tca> It's nuts
[21:32] <GridCube> oh google people, first you do searchs while i write, then you take focus from my mouse on image searches and now you go and do more crazy stuff
[21:32] <charlie-tca> someone goes by CJ SMITH their entire life, and it might even be their legal name, now must create a first name for google
[21:32] <GridCube> jajaja
[21:33] <charlie-tca> but, I guess it is beta, right?
[21:33] <GridCube> ...
[21:33] <GridCube> i guess
[21:34] <Unit193> Looks like I should start stalking people from here too...
[21:41] <pleia2> your g+ profile has a section for "other names"
[21:41] <pleia2> that's where I put pleia2 
[21:41] <knome> Elizabeth Pleia2 Krumbach
[21:41] <knome> what a weird name
[21:41] <knome> ;)
[21:41] <pleia2> pasi knome
[21:41] <knome> ;)
[21:41] <pleia2> :)
[21:42] <charlie-tca> It does?
[21:58] <madnick> knome: the font changing is really the problem
[21:58] <madnick> the ratio scaling is needed if there is different resolutions on a dual monitor setup
[21:59] <knome> madnick, awwh. then just try a smaller text size.
[21:59] <madnick> i dont like the ratio scaling, it makes the bigger screen get black bars on top and bottom
[21:59] <madnick> atm such things are ignored, but i dont know if thats the best chooice
[21:59] <knome> madnick, what if you just cut the bottom/top part away on the larger screen
[21:59] <madnick> (in the current splash)
[22:00] <madnick> knome: how do you mean?
[22:00] <knome> i mean, on the smaller image of course
[22:00] <knome> just don't show everything, scale to the bigger resolution
[22:00] <madnick> yes
[22:00] <madnick> thats what its currently doing
[22:01] <knome> yeah
[22:01] <knome> is that bad?
[22:01] <madnick> nope
[22:01] <knome> okay :)
[22:01] <madnick> it just kinda cuts off the "hill" :P
[22:01] <madnick> basically, the primary screen is used
[22:01] <knome> that's not a problem
[22:01] <madnick> so it should not be a problem
[22:01] <knome> two monitors with different resolutions is not the most optimal setup anyway
[22:02] <madnick> no, and then turning on the slave monitor 
[22:02] <knome> users of that can expect some things to be a bit kranky
[22:02] <madnick> only that monitor
[22:02] <madnick> yeah, we could skip this, because it does not impact anything else
[22:02] <knome> yeah, i don't think we should use too much time with it
[22:03] <madnick> I am using such a setup, and currently even the fb text at boot is screwed :)
[22:03] <knome> fb?
[22:03] <madnick> framebuffer
[22:03] <knome> mmh
[22:05] <madnick> when is this due? because i could finish it up quickly, but i'd like to polish a couple of things
[22:06] <knome> ui freeze is august 25, and that's not even a hard deadline
[22:06] <madnick> oh ok :P
[22:06] <madnick> so plenty of time
[22:06] <knome> yeah
[22:48] <micahg> charlie-tca: hehe: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/lubuntu.oneiric/revision/168
[22:49] <charlie-tca> hehe
[22:49] <charlie-tca> everybody steals good ideas.
[22:50] <charlie-tca> I guess we could be in worse shape, huh?
[22:50] <Unit193> That is quite funny...
[22:50] <charlie-tca> We are even going to have a new plymouth running this cycle
[22:51] <Unit193> That's what I'm REALLY liking! I thought it was stupid to deop the loading bar (Doesn't fully tell you, but gives you more info than just a logo!)
[22:57] <GridCube> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Oneiric/DefaultImageEditor
[22:58] <GridCube> lol honesty
[22:59] <charlie-tca> nice
[22:59] <charlie-tca> gnome paint is gtk2 and cairo
[22:59] <charlie-tca> not too many dependentcies
[23:01] <GridCube> !info gnome-paint
[23:01] <GridCube> !info gpaint
[23:02] <micahg> !msgthebot | GridCube 
[23:02] <GridCube> yes sorry
[23:02] <GridCube> i actually just wanted to compare gpaint to gnome-paint XD
[23:03] <micahg> ~same
[23:03] <charlie-tca> requires a lot more dependencies
[23:03] <charlie-tca> gnome-paint looks lighter
[23:04] <micahg> yeah, but they're all fulfilled
[23:05] <GridCube> fulfilled?
[23:05] <micahg> we already have the deps
[23:05] <charlie-tca> even if gimp is removed?
[23:06] <micahg> yeah
[23:06] <xrdodrx> gnome-paint has a critical bug that still hasn't been fixed
[23:06] <xrdodrx> the text tool does nto work
[23:06] <xrdodrx> I don't think it's a good replacement at all
[23:06] <xrdodrx> just my 2¢
[23:06] <charlie-tca> add that to the wiki, please
[23:07] <xrdodrx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-paint/+bug/711774
[23:07] <charlie-tca> How you going to edit a cat picture without a text tool?
[23:07] <xrdodrx> charlie-tca, exactly! :)
[23:08] <xrdodrx> I wish it did though, so I could finally get rid of kolourpaint and all its KDE dependencies :(
[23:08] <charlie-tca> !info nathive
[23:09] <charlie-tca> that's a problem too. It will be too late to get that in
[23:09] <charlie-tca> It's not in oneiric either
[23:09] <charlie-tca> but, maybe for 12.04!
[23:09] <charlie-tca> let's see where things go from here now
[23:10] <xrdodrx> charlie-tca, thanks for the recommendation, I'll have to compile that from source and see how it is :D 
[23:10] <GridCube> xrdodrx: :P i just found heliospaint, check it, sadly is java XD
[23:10] <charlie-tca> what recommendation?
[23:11] <xrdodrx> nathive
[23:11] <charlie-tca> I highly recommend gimp
[23:11] <charlie-tca> that wasn't a recommend, it was a comment about it. 
[23:13] <pleia2> GridCube: nice chart! :)
[23:13] <charlie-tca> helios paint isn't in the repositories either
[23:13] <GridCube> thank you, its my very first wiki edit :D
[23:13] <charlie-tca> hm, still liking gimp, even with a nice chart and all
[23:14] <GridCube> hahaha
[23:14] <GridCube> ecks dee
[23:14] <charlie-tca> OTOH, I will probably use whatever we decide on, at least once
[23:14] <charlie-tca> I do edit an image every year
[23:14] <pleia2> heh
[23:15] <pleia2> I don't actually find pinta's interface to be less confusing than gimp
[23:16] <pleia2> it's just gimp but inside a box rather than having windows all over the place
[23:16] <charlie-tca> gimp is down to one box for tools and one box for the image itself
[23:16] <GridCube> charlie-tca: helios paint is writen in java, i don't think its in any repositorie, i just added there because it works on linux and because its a list and all and for fun to see what effect a java application would cause on the ML
[23:16] <charlie-tca> works for me
[23:17] <charlie-tca> java doesn't matter to me, much. I won't use it anyway
[23:17] <charlie-tca> but that is because I don't understand it much
[23:17] <GridCube> pleia2: yeah i think i should remove the [Simple Interface] and leave [MSPaintlikeness] alone
[23:18] <pleia2> I don't even know what MSPaint looks like these days :)
[23:18] <charlie-tca> We don't much care about MSPaint, but knowing if the interface is simple is good
[23:18] <pleia2> last I used it was many years ago and it was much simpler than pinta, single bar of tools down the left, file, edit, etc toolbar at the top
[23:19] <pleia2> so if pinta is considered mspaint like now, mspaint has changed a lot
[23:19] <Unit193> MSPain is so much different in Win7 than in XP/Vista
[23:19] <charlie-tca> yup, kind of like gpaint or gnome-paint, I think
[23:19] <charlie-tca> or maybe even tux-paint
[23:19] <pleia2> yeah, more like tux-paint
[23:19]  * pleia2 checks out gpaint
[23:19] <pleia2> oh yes, gpaint is like old mspaint
[23:19] <GridCube> yeah pleia2 pinta is paint.NET lookalike, and paint.NET its like the logic evolution of mspaint
[23:20] <charlie-tca> hm, tux-paint is missing from the table. It has all the requirements, too. paint, text, images
[23:20] <pleia2> GridCube: ah, I am clearly behind the times with my mspaint knowledge :)
[23:20] <charlie-tca> simple to use, 
[23:20] <GridCube> crop and resize?
[23:20] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:20] <GridCube> ok adding it
[23:20] <charlie-tca> Even the kids can use it
[23:57] <GridCube> :) see you tomorrow :D have a nice evening/nigh/nextday