=== ChanServ changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Want to get involved? See: http://xubuntu.org/contribute | #xubuntu for support, #xubuntu-offtopic for general discussion | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Oneiric images are broken === ChanServ changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Want to get involved? See: http://xubuntu.org/contribute | #xubuntu for support, #xubuntu-offtopic for general discussion | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Xubuntu Community meeting 2011-07-31 | Oneiric images are broken [15:31] Alpha3 next week and the images are broken for lightdm still! Are we going to get it fixed? [15:31] mr_pouit: what are the bug numbers holding up the live sessions? [15:34] charlie-tca: lightdm upgrades right now remove xubuntu-desktop, I'm fixing that [15:35] Great! Thanks for fixing that much. However, we still need to make the live session work in the images [15:35] upgrading is nice, but we can't even have users run the live cd to do an install easily [15:40] We have no usable oneiric images this week [15:43] well, it would be nice not to remove the greeter/xubuntu-desktop from those currently running oneiric :) [15:44] true. Even better if we could get more people testing oneiric, too, though. [15:52] micahg: I do appreciate having upgrades work. I managed to keep mine going, but I follow a lot of channels and saw the workaround a few times [15:53] I did not realize it did remove xubuntu-desktop, though [15:53] charlie-tca: that's more recent due to the last upload of lightdm which makes the greeter a depends [15:54] as soon as germinate is done I"ll upload a new meta package which will fix it [15:54] yes, but without installing the lightdm-greeter-gtk package manually, it still won't work [15:54] the new metapackage will have the proper greeter as a depends :) [15:54] upgrades remove the example greeter without replacing it [15:54] Thank you! [15:55] I also hopefully fixed the oversized issue and added pidgin-microblog [15:55] I forgot to remove epdfview, but we can do that later [15:56] yup [15:56] Main issue right now is being to actually our images. They are dead again [15:56] Main issue right now is being *able* to actually our images. They are dead again [15:57] Main issue right now is being *able* to actually *use* our images. They are dead again [15:58] knome: I implemented the fsck functionallity and animation fully, however, im not so happy with the text [15:58] I dont know if we can use images however, so i need to ask you what you think [15:59] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/draft-fsck.ogg [15:59] my first meta upload \o/ [16:00] (there is no delay, its just me waiting for screen capture :)) [16:00] So dont worry about that part [16:02] hmm, I wonder why it didn't pick up my other change... [16:02] well, I can worry about that later [16:04] :) [16:13] knome: will need to ratio scale also, in case of multiple screens :( [16:15] atm it does no such thing [18:26] ah, the other -meta change wasn't applicable since we didn't upload after the ibus-pinyin -> ibus-sunpinyin change [21:15] charlie-tca: Did you know it was me, or were just really puzzled about it? ;) (yes, referring to G+ now) :D [21:17] question; when doing the image editors comparison wiki, what comarisons should i do? [21:19] Writen in... | Multiple format support | Crops | Adding text | Simple Interface | rezises | ... [21:19] madnick, try "Droid Sans" for the fonts, with a smaller size. i'd really rather use text than images, because then we don't have to create new images if we want to add new messages [21:20] GridCube, yeah. out of the pure image editing stuff, i think resize, rotate, crop and some really basic (ms paintish) stuff is needed [21:20] GridCube, i also got a reply from the nathive project leader. it's not dead, it's just paused for now, and he's planning to support gtk3 in the future [21:21] ok [21:21] GridCube, can you remember what exact features were missing from it so i could maybe ask the process on those? [21:21] how can i search the "writen in" part and what should i look at? ... [21:22] i mean GIMP says its GTK+ and Pinta says so too, but pinta uses Mono and GIMP don't how do i point that out on the table and how do i look for such important characteristic on the multiple programs i will have to check? [21:24] GIMP says its C+(GTK+) and Pinta C#(GTK+) should i simply add this? [21:24] yeah [21:24] i think that's fine [21:24] GIMP > C(GTK+) [21:24] ok [21:24] we are probably not going to consider stuff in Qt, but... [21:25] I don't know half the people by real names. I think that is a problem with google+ [21:25] madnick, what do you mean with the scaling? [21:25] madnick, i think the bars can always be 270px, whether it was a big or small screen/resolution [21:25] knome: GridCube either QT or Mono are an issue due to space, mono has the added issue of controversy [21:26] charlie-tca: thats something people is arguiing to google+ people, no nicks, if you change your name on g+ you change it to the whole googleverse [21:26] micahg, yes, that too, but including QT for a simple image editor is just waste of resources too :) [21:26] GridCube: just put in a comment that pinta requires mono [21:26] doesn't G+ support nicks too, kind of [21:26] nope [21:27] there was some discussion on that somewhere [21:27] no, google actually has been suspending those who use nicks [21:27] i could add your nick into some other field, and it's searched when searching for people [21:27] s/i/you/ [21:28] and the problem is, when they suspend you for using a nick on +, it also suspends all your google accounts, including gmail [21:29] I am waiting for them to send me notice, since periods in a name are no longer allowed, but when I signed up for gmail, they formatted it firstname DOT lastname [21:29] D: [21:30] what the... they dont allowed down dashes _ on your names, so people used dots . instead... i used it on many of my mails... [21:30] That was the only naming allowed at the time [21:31] yeah, the newest rule is no dashes, dots, or nicks [21:31] XD [21:31] thats ridiculous [21:31] oh, and no initials only, too [21:31] HAHAHA [21:32] It's nuts [21:32] oh google people, first you do searchs while i write, then you take focus from my mouse on image searches and now you go and do more crazy stuff [21:32] someone goes by CJ SMITH their entire life, and it might even be their legal name, now must create a first name for google [21:32] jajaja [21:33] but, I guess it is beta, right? [21:33] ... [21:33] i guess [21:34] Looks like I should start stalking people from here too... [21:41] your g+ profile has a section for "other names" [21:41] that's where I put pleia2 [21:41] Elizabeth Pleia2 Krumbach [21:41] what a weird name [21:41] ;) [21:41] pasi knome [21:41] ;) [21:41] :) [21:42] It does? [21:58] knome: the font changing is really the problem [21:58] the ratio scaling is needed if there is different resolutions on a dual monitor setup [21:59] madnick, awwh. then just try a smaller text size. [21:59] i dont like the ratio scaling, it makes the bigger screen get black bars on top and bottom [21:59] atm such things are ignored, but i dont know if thats the best chooice [21:59] madnick, what if you just cut the bottom/top part away on the larger screen [21:59] (in the current splash) [22:00] knome: how do you mean? [22:00] i mean, on the smaller image of course [22:00] just don't show everything, scale to the bigger resolution [22:00] yes [22:00] thats what its currently doing [22:01] yeah [22:01] is that bad? [22:01] nope [22:01] okay :) [22:01] it just kinda cuts off the "hill" :P [22:01] basically, the primary screen is used [22:01] that's not a problem [22:01] so it should not be a problem [22:01] two monitors with different resolutions is not the most optimal setup anyway [22:02] no, and then turning on the slave monitor [22:02] users of that can expect some things to be a bit kranky [22:02] only that monitor [22:02] yeah, we could skip this, because it does not impact anything else [22:02] yeah, i don't think we should use too much time with it [22:03] I am using such a setup, and currently even the fb text at boot is screwed :) [22:03] fb? [22:03] framebuffer [22:03] mmh [22:05] when is this due? because i could finish it up quickly, but i'd like to polish a couple of things [22:06] ui freeze is august 25, and that's not even a hard deadline [22:06] oh ok :P [22:06] so plenty of time [22:06] yeah [22:48] charlie-tca: hehe: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/lubuntu.oneiric/revision/168 [22:49] hehe [22:49] everybody steals good ideas. [22:50] I guess we could be in worse shape, huh? [22:50] That is quite funny... [22:50] We are even going to have a new plymouth running this cycle [22:51] That's what I'm REALLY liking! I thought it was stupid to deop the loading bar (Doesn't fully tell you, but gives you more info than just a logo!) [22:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Oneiric/DefaultImageEditor [22:58] lol honesty [22:59] nice [22:59] gnome paint is gtk2 and cairo [22:59] not too many dependentcies [23:01] !info gnome-paint [23:01] gnome-paint (source: gnome-paint): simple, easy to use paint program for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.0-2 (natty), package size 91 kB, installed size 832 kB [23:01] !info gpaint [23:01] gpaint (source: gpaint): GNU Paint - a small, easy to use paint program for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.3-6 (natty), package size 116 kB, installed size 776 kB [23:02] !msgthebot | GridCube [23:02] GridCube: Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots. Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid". [23:02] yes sorry [23:02] i actually just wanted to compare gpaint to gnome-paint XD [23:03] ~same [23:03] requires a lot more dependencies [23:03] gnome-paint looks lighter [23:04] yeah, but they're all fulfilled [23:05] fulfilled? [23:05] we already have the deps [23:05] even if gimp is removed? [23:06] yeah [23:06] gnome-paint has a critical bug that still hasn't been fixed [23:06] the text tool does nto work [23:06] I don't think it's a good replacement at all [23:06] just my 2¢ [23:06] add that to the wiki, please [23:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-paint/+bug/711774 [23:07] Ubuntu bug 711774 in gnome-paint "Text Tool is missing" [Critical,Confirmed] [23:07] How you going to edit a cat picture without a text tool? [23:07] charlie-tca, exactly! :) [23:08] I wish it did though, so I could finally get rid of kolourpaint and all its KDE dependencies :( [23:08] !info nathive [23:08] Package nathive does not exist in natty [23:09] that's a problem too. It will be too late to get that in [23:09] It's not in oneiric either [23:09] but, maybe for 12.04! [23:09] let's see where things go from here now [23:10] charlie-tca, thanks for the recommendation, I'll have to compile that from source and see how it is :D [23:10] xrdodrx: :P i just found heliospaint, check it, sadly is java XD [23:10] what recommendation? [23:11] nathive [23:11] I highly recommend gimp [23:11] that wasn't a recommend, it was a comment about it. [23:13] GridCube: nice chart! :) [23:13] helios paint isn't in the repositories either [23:13] thank you, its my very first wiki edit :D [23:13] hm, still liking gimp, even with a nice chart and all [23:14] hahaha [23:14] ecks dee [23:14] OTOH, I will probably use whatever we decide on, at least once [23:14] I do edit an image every year [23:14] heh [23:15] I don't actually find pinta's interface to be less confusing than gimp [23:16] it's just gimp but inside a box rather than having windows all over the place [23:16] gimp is down to one box for tools and one box for the image itself [23:16] charlie-tca: helios paint is writen in java, i don't think its in any repositorie, i just added there because it works on linux and because its a list and all and for fun to see what effect a java application would cause on the ML [23:16] works for me [23:17] java doesn't matter to me, much. I won't use it anyway [23:17] but that is because I don't understand it much [23:17] pleia2: yeah i think i should remove the [Simple Interface] and leave [MSPaintlikeness] alone [23:18] I don't even know what MSPaint looks like these days :) [23:18] We don't much care about MSPaint, but knowing if the interface is simple is good [23:18] last I used it was many years ago and it was much simpler than pinta, single bar of tools down the left, file, edit, etc toolbar at the top [23:19] so if pinta is considered mspaint like now, mspaint has changed a lot [23:19] MSPain is so much different in Win7 than in XP/Vista [23:19] yup, kind of like gpaint or gnome-paint, I think [23:19] or maybe even tux-paint [23:19] yeah, more like tux-paint [23:19] * pleia2 checks out gpaint [23:19] oh yes, gpaint is like old mspaint [23:19] yeah pleia2 pinta is paint.NET lookalike, and paint.NET its like the logic evolution of mspaint [23:20] hm, tux-paint is missing from the table. It has all the requirements, too. paint, text, images [23:20] GridCube: ah, I am clearly behind the times with my mspaint knowledge :) [23:20] simple to use, [23:20] crop and resize? [23:20] yup [23:20] ok adding it [23:20] Even the kids can use it [23:57] :) see you tomorrow :D have a nice evening/nigh/nextday