=== `mOOse` is now known as m00se [02:55] /msg NickServ identify Love2love [03:58] hey all can somone tell me how to install my video card drivers ? [03:59] <|Slacker|> what's your card [03:59] nvidia [04:00] <|Slacker|> SYstem>Additional drivers would suffice I gues [04:01] that is installed [04:02] <|Slacker|> did you run it? [04:03] when i install xubuntu it showed me the icon to install it . i install it and restart my pc [04:03] that's a;; [04:03] all [04:04] <|Slacker|> then I don't get what you need === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [05:30] n [06:04] hi [06:09] * Wizard yawns [07:34] is there a way to change icons of Documents, Music and such directories? [07:35] thunar seems to ignore .directory file [07:35] they are xdg data dirs [07:37] Wizard: it's not called ".directory", read the xdg spec again [07:38] I didn't read it :) [07:38] yet [07:38] I'll show you what's my problem [07:38] also, when you change it, run xdg-user-dirs-update [07:42] it's ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs [07:42] http://wstaw.org/w/BBj/linki/ [07:42] sorry for the censorship :> [07:42] look at the icons, my theme does not have suitable icons and I would like to change it some way [07:43] well, use a theme that has them [07:43] lol [07:43] that is not a solution [07:45] it's a perfectly good solution [07:45] from your point of view [07:47] from any point of view [07:47] if your theme doesn't have them, then add them [07:47] if I only knew how.. [07:47] do i need to edit or regenerate index after adding icons? [07:48] oh no, if only there was a global computer network you could search for a tutorial on this... no wait [07:48] the index is a text file [07:49] it's not generated [07:49] you might need to update the cache though, with gtk-update-icon-cache [07:54] TheSheep, the network works quite nice, I guess only noobs can ask noob question ;P [07:55] the network lacks feature of kicking someone's butt :> [07:58] Wizard: you can come here and do it in person, it's not that far [07:58] :S [07:58] sorry TheSheep, that was kind of bad joke [07:59] Wizard: nie przejmuj się drobiazgami [07:59] nie przejmuję się :) [07:59] znaczy, przejmuję się - te ikony wyglądają brzydko [08:00] Wizard: you can try removing the gnome icon set from your fallback [08:01] Wizard: should work unless the thunar guys are doing some fallbacks of their own [08:01] Wizard: also, asking at #thunar may help, maybe you can disable those special icons entirely === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [12:38] Can anyone recommend a good CAD program for linux? [12:46] hey [12:46] i have a question [12:47] the xubuntu desktop play multiple sounds?? [12:48] ? [12:56] the alsa sound system do not play multiple sounds, but i dont know if in the xubuntu system is it possible? [12:58] alsa should be able to play sounds from multiple suorces, but xubuntu uses pulseaudio that at least should do it [13:02] a ok, thanks [13:16] I have downloaded a .deb file. How do I open it? By default Xubuntu is trying unsucessfully to use the Ubuntu software center [13:17] may I first ask what are you installing outside of repositories? [13:17] DraftSight [13:19] you could try synaptic or sudo dpkg -i [13:28] HELP !! im having resolution problems with my fresh install of 11.04 ... [13:29] paranormal: drivers are installed? [13:29] its an onboard intel graphic card ... and i guess by defualt it must have [13:30] 865 family [13:31] paranormal: what is the exact nature of your problem? too low resolution? [13:33] exatcly .... i have a wide screep 19" ... it shud support upto 1440x900 but the max i can get rite now is 1024x768 at 61 hz [13:35] paranormal: hm okay [13:35] type xrandr [13:36] it shows min of 640x480 and max of 1024x768 [13:36] on vga? [13:36] i dont know ?? [13:36] thats all it shows [13:37] xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1440x900 [13:37] what happens if you do that [13:37] also, lets check your intel drivers [13:38] Failed to get size of gama for output default ..... and output VGA1 not found; ignoring [13:38] ok [13:38] lsmod [13:38] lsmod | grep intel [13:39] its a big output [13:39] nah wait [13:39] snd_intel8x0 33213 3 [13:39] snd_ac97_codec 105614 1 snd_intel8x0 [13:39] snd_pcm 80042 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec [13:39] snd 55295 13 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device [13:40] snd_page_alloc 14073 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm [13:42] hm [13:43] i would install xserver-xorg-video-intel [13:43] is it in the repos ? [13:43] yes [13:43] What I am telling you, is just stuff I did on my really old laptop :P [13:43] Im not sure if will fix it [13:43] xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version. [13:43] The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: [13:43] linux-headers-2.6.38-8 linux-headers-2.6.38-8-generic [13:44] okay [13:44] well then xorg config file [13:44] it doesnt exist [13:44] xorg doesnt exist? [13:44] atleast not in /etc/X11 [13:45] yeah ... /etc/X11/xorg.conf .... doesnt exist ... [13:45] hm then run [13:45] Xorg -configure [13:46] Fatal server error: [13:46] Server is already active for display 0 [13:46] If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock [13:46] and start again. [13:47] you need to do it from a real terminal [13:47] without x running [13:48] actually id tried that too ... from recovery mode [13:48] non graphical recovery mode? [13:48] it gave me some sort of error that the number of screen found and mentioned does not match [13:48] yep boot time recovery mode [13:50] hold on one sec [13:50] ok [13:50] im gonna boot my old laptop up :) [13:50] k [13:51] paranormal: have you ran a reconfigure? [13:51] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? [13:52] yeah ... [13:52] it actually gave no output [13:52] and restarted x? [13:52] restarted x ... no [13:52] okay, do that [13:58] nope .... that dint help [13:58] infact i ended up rebooting [13:58] im connected from that machine itself .... [13:59] so got disconnected [14:01] sorry, im out of ideas [14:01] no problem :) [14:02] can i switch between drivers ?? [14:22] hey xubuntu always saves the session and loads it on next startup [14:23] i unmarked the box in settings [14:23] did you also unmark it when quitting or restarting? [14:24] there is nothing to unmark [14:24] hm, must be 11.04 then [14:24] yep [14:25] right click the panel, left-click panel, click log-off, unmark save [14:26] hmm... when i make right click on panel what should then apear ? [14:27] right-click in a blank area of the panel, you will get a box with several things in it [14:27] the bottom one should be the word panel [14:29] the box was also unchecked [14:33] Then it probably has a saved session already. Close all the windows, go to Settings -> Setting Manager -> Sessions and startup, session tab, and save session with nothing running on the desktops [14:33] it should then start from now on with blank desktops. [15:08] hi, anyone knows how to setup ati crossfire properly? [15:08] i tried this guid before http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_crossfire_linux&num=1 [15:09] it works, but crossfire status is disabled [15:12] hi [16:00] How do I check if I'm running the 32-bit or 64-bit edition of Xubuntu? [16:00] just as long as /proc/cpuinfo contains the lm flag? [16:00] uname -a in a terminal [16:01] the lm flag tells if you have a 64bit capable machine. [16:01] x86_64 tells you if you installed the 64bit release [16:02] Strange. I'm surprised I didn't install the 64-bit release. [16:02] "i686 i686 i386" :( [16:03] Downloads have both i386 and amd64 cd's. You have to download the 64bit specifically. [16:05] I know that. Did I blindly grab the wrong set of CDs? XD [16:06] There is no safe way to "upgrade" to 64-bit in place, I suppose? [16:06] !upgrade [16:06] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [16:06] There is a way, but I don't have the reference. It is not recommended, however... [16:08] Probably not safe because it's too easy to forget to switch architecture for some of the programmes. [16:08] programmes or packages [16:09] It's getting better, though, with the multi-arch support happening now [16:10] kinda like Mac OS X's "universal" thing? [16:10] "universal binary", I mean. [16:10] I don't know. I don't follow mac OS X very good [16:10] hehe [16:14] thanks for the tip. :D Later [16:48] TheSheep, thanks for hints [16:58] guys I have found that in xubuntu 11.04 to change file manager from thunar to nautilus it's enough open xfce4-settings-manager then preffered applications -> advanced -> there is all... [16:58] cool [16:59] correct [16:59] but much more work now to change from nautilus back to thunar [16:59] I have struggled for days to change it with scripts... [16:59] I was freaky mad [16:59] o_O [17:00] charlie-tca, apt-get remove nautilus :) [17:01] um, plus a few other changes, as I recall [17:01] nautilus integrates itself into things pretty tight [17:01] yeah, but i still don't get the point of using it [17:01] yes plays audio open wine automatically and more [17:01] I don't either. It adds too much from gnome when it is added, too. [17:02] nautilus just seems to be troubled to start at xubuntu startup [17:02] but it's ok [17:03] That's only because it really wants to run your "gnome-desktop" for you [17:03] :) [17:04] yeye that gnome-desktop [17:04] but it does not manage [17:05] Wizard: did you fix the icons? [17:05] I like thunar, because it follows unix rules - one tool for one task, in this case - file management [17:05] TheSheep, not yet, I was at work when we talked, now I'm starting to thinka bout it :) [17:06] thunar is difficult to customize [17:06] your choice [17:06] Wizard: if you do, please let us know how [17:06] at least you have such choice [17:07] SaaMmY: yeah, they actually made real design decissions, instead of pushing all the responsibility to the user [17:07] :) [17:07] yes that is what I want: have no responsibility [17:07] :) [17:08] I really appreciated thunar when it kicked in [17:08] SaaMmY: then pick software that has no preferences [17:08] former xfce file manager was a bit.. bad.. [17:08] SaaMmY: look at it that way, it has more options than Finder ;) [17:09] finder? [17:10] hi Legendre :) [17:10] I have gripes about the Natty installer. [17:10] Wizard: the file manager in max os x [17:10] hi Wizard [17:11] TheSheep, ah, that, I hate it :D [17:11] So where do I submit my comments.. something needs fixed, and it's uber-easy to do. [17:11] hmm, launchpad.net [17:12] Oh, and I have a question or two.. [17:12] what is the issue? [17:12] Legendre, shoot [17:12] Why is /var/cache/apt like 400+MB in size - and how can it be pared down? [17:12] because it contains all the updates. [17:13] yup, apt-get clean [17:13] Legendre: what is it about the installer ? [17:13] Thanks, that helped a lot for /var [17:13] Problem with the installer... [17:14] it sucks? :> [17:14] I gave up guessing a long time ago. [17:14] It's apparently unaware of a chosen partitin scheme, and warns that if / is < 2.4GB that install may fail. [17:14] So... I have a big wasted space in / now.. [17:14] and why do you think that is wrong? [17:14] charlie-tca, good point, I should follow.. [17:14] on a tiny drive, every gig counts. [17:15] yes, and if you don't allow 2.4GB, it could well fail due to the amount of updates and options you select for the install. [17:15] charlie-tca: well, if you add up all of the space used by the default install, it's ~2.4G [17:15] coincidence? [17:16] but i have /var /usr, etc on their own parts. [17:16] Legendre | It's apparently unaware of a chosen partitin scheme, and warns that if / [17:16] | is < 2.4GB that install may fail. [17:16] so, maybe the wording is wrong when it states /, since it really means partition size? [17:17] no, I think it's just *wrong*. Are you telling me that it needs a 2.4G / irrespective of whether or not big trees like /usr are on separate parts? [17:18] nope, nobody is telling it to you [17:18] and I think you're right [17:18] no, read again, please. I just said the partition needs to be 2.4GB. If you split things up, it is up to you to figure out what each partition you create needs to be. [17:18] installer should sum free space again [17:18] Legendre: wait, so you say it should instead track how much space each an every part of the directory tree may take, and adjust that depending on what partition you want to mount on random parts of that tree? [17:18] s/again//g [17:18] however, you have a good chance of running out of space doing that [17:18] Like I said, if you add up all the space used by the default install, it's ~2.4G [17:19] which, if you use the guided partitioning, everything goes in /, not split up [17:19] Maybe you try doing an install with all the partitions separated, and see how more space is required doing that? [17:19] TheSheep: At a minimum, the warning should mention that it's only valid if *everything* is on the / partition, or something to that effect. Tracking sizes would be nice, and not hard at all.. [17:19] Legendre: we take patches [17:20] Each partition requires a minimum of space, just because it is a new partition [17:20] OTOH, if you are experienced to guess sizes that close, you don't need to follow the warnings anyway, right? [17:20] charlie-tca: right.. [17:21] but I heeded the warning, and now I have wasted space. [17:21] Most users simply accept the defaults, which is / and /swap [17:21] Legendre: it's not wasted, you can put your swap there :D [17:21] Legendre: also, it's possible to resize [17:21] ugh, resize partitions.. that's always death, lol. [17:22] Sorry, bad experiences with Partition Tragic. [17:22] :D:D:D [17:22] is that that dos program? [17:22] windoze one [17:22] So, what is going to happen when you make every partition exactly the size you need to install, and want to add any application? [17:23] well, I'm resizing ext partitions on prodyction servers habitually [17:23] production [17:23] Neither dos nor windows, iirc. Isn't it a standalone exec, like memtest? [17:23] I resize mine using gparted [17:23] (caveat: I'm expanding them, not shrinking) [17:23] You can shrink them using the live cd [17:24] You can not shrink a partition that is mounted at the time, though [17:24] Anyway, the warning should check first to see if a custom part scheme is in use - and THEN change its output to read "If you are using a custom partition scheme, this may be ignored" or something. [17:25] Even better yet: why not provide a table of suggested minimum sizes for each major tree? [17:25] right in the installer.. [17:25] because most users will only be confused by it [17:25] * Wizard nods [17:25] not the ones who are doing custom part schemes =) [17:25] Most users will never run anything except the default installation [17:26] sure [17:26] but that's not optimal.. [17:26] read again! Most users will never do anything except the default installation [17:26] so that means it's OK to mislead power-user types? [17:26] Those advanced users do not need everything explained out [17:26] Legendre, as charlie-tca said: experienced users who do custop partitioning are aware of sizes and problems [17:26] If you know what you are doing, it should not be a problem [17:27] dood, I've been using Linux exclusively as my desktop OS since 1998, and I needed it explained. [17:27] :D [17:27] Then you probably are the exception [17:27] because I was warned, and I heeded the warning. [17:27] I only been using it since 2005, and I don't need it explained to me. I just do it my way,. [17:27] being new-ish to ubuntu (was always a slackware guy) [17:28] Well, ok, I've been using ubuntu since edgy. [17:28] but that warning was a new one [17:28] you were also given an option to let it do it, but chose not to [17:28] Legendre, nothing stops you from filling a bug report [17:28] Well I guess I will then! [17:28] be useful ;> [17:28] You can't stop me! [17:28] I swear, I'll do it! [17:29] !bugs [17:29] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [17:29] We don't stop you from choosing any sizes you want in partitioning, either. But you did. [17:30] Legendre: out of curiosity, if you are so tight for space, then why separate partitions? [17:30] TheSheep, some people consider it useful [17:30] i consider separate /home useful [17:30] :D [17:30] but it does take more room to create separate partitions [17:31] TheSheep: habit, I guess.. keeps things running smoothly, disk from becoming fragged, prevents an event in /tmp or /var from running / or /home out of space, etc [17:31] and /boot is ext2, and never gets mounted.. except for kernel changes [17:32] slackware habits [17:32] Legendre: that's ok for servers... [17:32] freebsd habits.. [17:32] Legendre: also, /usr mounted read-only except for updates [17:33] right. Point is, we understand why I use separate parts. [17:33] Legendre: but not in this situation! [17:33] omg [17:34] Err... all eggs, one basket.. uncomfortable with that [17:34] Legendre: ony of them fails you have to fix it all anyways [17:34] speaking of uncomfortable, how is ext4? I left it as the default. [17:34] Legendre: no complaints [17:34] whew [17:34] Legendre: not that useful on small disks though [17:34] None of the devs have murdered anyone, I hope? [17:35] not funny [17:35] it wasn't a joke. [17:35] I mean to say, ext is "safe"? We;re not about to lose key dev support? [17:35] Has anyone researched it to find out? If it is important to you... [17:36] So what's the sig. diff between ext3 & 4 anyway? [17:36] Legendre: large file handling [17:36] 3 added the journal [17:37] oh, what's the new limit? [17:37] Legendre: it's not about the limits, it's about a new mechanism [17:37] oic [17:37] Legendre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Features [18:03] thanks [19:03] help me someone i deleted the second panel and messed up the first one how can i restore them back to default [19:03] !panels [19:03] Did your panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels [19:04] The page tells how to get them back, if simply running xfce4-panel doesn't do it [19:15] it's not getting back the panels :S [19:20] how can i restore them :S ? [19:22] Did you try just restarting the computer? [19:22] yeah i did restart my pc [19:25] i think i should install xubuntu again :S [19:27] b00dy, ping [19:27] are you still here? [19:27] you don't have to reinstall xubuntu :) [19:28] there are few tricks for reviving dead panel [19:28] so are your panels just messed or completely lost? [19:28] yeah can u tell me [19:29] well, can you see any panel [19:29] ok i lost my panels but i created 2 new panels but the settings and the icons aren't there [19:29] i created from a command that i found in the net [19:30] this was the command xfce4-panel i used with Alt+f2 but the icons aren't there :S [19:32] b00dy, did you remove your panels before that? [19:32] what did you do so they're gone now? [19:33] i removed them accidentaly and now i got them but the icons aren't there anymore :S [19:33] b00dy, did you customize them alot? [19:33] or used almost default settings? [19:34] if so there is a trick for restoring default config [19:34] i used the default settings [19:34] im using xubuntu 3 days now :S im a newbie [19:34] So, is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels not correct for how to restore your default panels? [19:35] i tried that but my icons weren't back :S [19:35] i just want the default settings that was in the panels :) that's all [19:35] that quick fix sucks [19:36] do what's written under "One Panel Disappeared" [19:36] that should do the trick [19:37] Wizard: it is a wiki, you can fix it if it is wrong :) [19:37] you may use terminal instead of hitting (or hiting?) alt+f2 over and over again [19:37] charlie-tca, better tell me which is correct, hitting or hiting? [19:37] gitting [19:37] hitting [19:37] sorry [19:37] k [19:37] two t's anyway [19:37] thank you :) [19:38] you are welcome [19:38] there was some rule for this consonant doubling, but I forgot it ;P [19:38] i did that and i got the panels but not the icons :( [19:38] :S [19:39] short vowel, double the final consonant (or something like that) [19:39] does english even have short and long vowels? o_O [19:39] es [19:39] yes [19:40] b00dy: those are just launchers, you can add any app there and the icon should just show up [19:40] that language amazes me evere, single day :) [19:40] me too, Wizard [19:40] look there is a file in .config/xfce4/panel how about to mess with that ? [19:40] :) [19:40] something ? [19:40] That is what is created when you add the panels [19:41] yeah [19:41] and it's modified when you drop things on panel [19:41] so should i delete it ? [19:42] :S [19:43] jeez, I always loved xfce-panel for it's customization capabilities.. and users.. complain [19:45] if the user follows the wiki page, they do delete .config/xfce4/panel and then copy the defaults in to there. [19:45] it isn't really that hard, is it? [19:45] no, it isn't hard at all [19:48] at least he's trying :) [19:48] hehe, at #ubuntu-pl i have a guy who insist that he has natty and firefox 3.6 [19:50] insists* [19:53] I suppose it is possible. started with alpha/beta and never upgraded properly, he would still be back at really old. have him run apt-cache policy firefox and apt-cache policy xfce4-panel and see what the numbers are [19:53] whcich firefox gave him some /usr/local path ;) [19:53] panel should be 4.8.3 [19:54]