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george_eIs this the place to ask questions about Unity development?03:03
RAOFgeorge_e: Yes.03:45
george_eRAOF: Great! Does Unity use Glib's DBus API?03:45
RAOFI believe so, but I'm not familiar with the code.03:46
* george_e is reading through the code...03:47
TheMusoI thought compiz had a dbus plugin, and that gets used...04:19
george_eTheMuso: Oh, it does? I didn't realize that.04:26
TheMusogeorge_e: I don't know for sure.04:27
didrocksgood morning05:13
thumperTheMuso, george_e: yes unity uses glib dbus AFAIK06:11
george_ethumper: Thank you.06:11
george_eAre you familiar with DBus at all?06:11
thumperno06:11
thumperI'd like to be, but am not at the moment06:12
george_eMe too :) I ran into a bit of a problem and I don't know where to ask for help.06:17
oSoMoNgood morning07:02
MacSlowgreetings everybody07:19
andyrockgord, around?08:49
gordandyrock, hey hey08:50
andyrocki cannot compile unity, i got this error08:50
andyrockn file included from /home/andyrock/Desktop/unity/tests/TestBGHash.cpp:24:0:08:50
andyrock/home/andyrock/Desktop/unity/tests/../plugins/unityshell/src/BGHash.h:25:43: fatal error: unity-misc/gnome-bg-slideshow.h: No such file or directory08:50
andyrockcompilation terminated.08:50
andyrockmake[2]: *** [tests/CMakeFiles/test-bg-hash.dir/TestBGHash.cpp.o] Error 108:50
andyrockmake[1]: *** [tests/CMakeFiles/test-bg-hash.dir/all] Error 208:50
andyrockmake[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....08:50
gordandyrock, right yeah you need the latest libunity-misc from lp:libunity-misc, i sent a mail to ayatana-dev explaining :)08:51
andyrockgord, doh :) i forgot it... -.-08:51
andyrockgord, thx btw :)09:08
ephanDoes anybody know where I can find indicator3-0.4? I need it for Unity it seems09:09
ephanoh wait, libindicator I'll compile, thanks eitherway09:09
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gordandyrock, np :)09:34
andyrockgord, dash background is too light IMHO :)09:34
gordandyrock, waiting on a blur from jay, it will look good in the end09:35
andyrockgord, dinamic or static blur?09:37
gordandyrock, not sure yet :) waiting on him, hopefully dynamic but there were a few issues last i checked09:37
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c10udjcastro, sorry for pinging, but my slave^H fellow developer sbte made a patch for indicator-status-provider-emesene, any chance someone can apply it and push an updated package? see bug #817504 (i think i should ask Ken, but anyway, you know better :))11:57
ubot5Launchpad bug 817504 in emesene "Emesene needs the offline status to be different from invisible" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81750411:57
Trevinhoc10ud: https://bugs.launchpad.net/emesene/+bug/817504/comments/3 ;)12:09
ubot5Ubuntu bug 817504 in emesene "Emesene needs the offline status to be different from invisible" [Medium,New]12:09
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c10udsbte, ^12:10
c10udTrevinho, thanks for the small tut btw12:13
sbteTrevinho, thanks12:17
dbarth /away12:29
sbteTrevinho, done12:30
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Trevinhosbte, c10ud  Cool! :)13:16
fhdI'm trying to build unity-2d on natty, but cmake says I'm missing "dconf-qt". Yet there is no package with that name. Where can I get it?13:23
andyrockfhd, try sudo apt-get install libdconf-qt-dev13:25
fhdandyrock: There is no such package, do I need to add an apt repository?13:25
andyrockfhd,  natty or oneiric?13:25
fhdandyrock: natty13:26
fhdandyrock: I'm following this guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity2D13:26
andyrockfhd, well i think it is only in oneiric13:26
Trevinhofhd: I think that you should use an older branch of unity-2d if you want to compile it in natty13:26
fhdTrevinho: Well, I'd like to contribute a bit, so I guess I'd be best of modifying the latest version, right?13:27
andyrockfhd, install oneiric in vbox then :)13:28
ephanfhd, try sudo apt-get source unity13:28
fhdephan: OK13:28
andyrockfhd, ephan it won't work13:28
ephanI personally can't build Unity on Natty because https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bamf/+bug/81794913:29
ubot5Ubuntu bug 817949 in bamf (Ubuntu) "Building bafm fails" [Undecided,New]13:29
ephanandyrock, I personally managed to install all packages neede but this one, libbafm13:29
ephanI need Oneiric to compile Unity?13:29
andyrockephan, if you want to compile unity without going crazy... yes13:30
ephanandyrock, yeah I went crazy this morning, I built dozens of packages from source and then the last one I needed doesn't work13:30
andyrockephan, or you should install/build all dependencies13:31
fhdOkay, I guess I can pick a bug that should be fixed and work with an old branch, eh?13:31
fhdI don't really want to go to Oneiric yet13:32
APIandyrock, unity works fine on a vbox?13:32
APIah13:32
APIyou are talking about unity2d13:32
andyrockAPI, i know that unity works fine on vbox... Trevinho could you confirm it?13:32
ephanfhd, I don't think it's even recommended to install Alpha 2 on real hardware13:32
APII'm having a lot of problems with unity, not sure if related to being on a 64 bit machine, I would like to test it with a 32bit machine (so a vbox)13:33
andyrockfhd ephan , install on vbox13:33
ephanandyrock, I personally run it through USB Drive on another comp, but that also works13:34
sbteephan, try building without -Werror13:34
ephansbte, when using Oneiric it works13:34
ephangotta logout/login, Ubuntu 11.04 bug -.-13:35
sbteephan, sure, but if you want to build bamf on natty, it probably works if you compile without -Werror13:35
ephansbte, I still need all the packages13:35
ephanhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bamf/+bug/817949 I need to compile bafm to get libbafm, and I get error13:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 817949 in bamf (Ubuntu) "Building bafm fails" [Undecided,New]13:36
fhdSorry, but I'm new to Ubuntu development: Where can I see in which versions a bug should be fixed?13:36
sbteephan, yes, and if you compile it without -Werror it will work13:36
ephanoh you mean compile bfam without -Werror or Unity?13:36
sbtebecause the build fails because of a warning turned into an error13:36
sbteephan, bfam13:37
ephanah thanks sbte13:37
ephanI read that "Warnings treated as errors"13:37
andyrockfhd, you have not dconf-qt-dev13:38
andyrockright?13:38
andyrockbut do you have dconf-qt?13:38
ephan"compile it without -Werror it will work" sbte, I had never heard of that, how does that work?13:39
fhdandyrock: Nope, there is no package with "dconf-qt" in its name in natty13:41
ephanfhd, compile from source perhaps13:41
andyrockfhd, you can find it in unity2d daily build ppa13:41
sbteephan, configure with --disable-werror I think, but I'm not sure13:42
ephanI did try "./configure --disable-Werror", but I'm searching for some information online13:42
sbteephan, haven't done C in ages13:42
ephanheh13:42
fhdephan, andyrock: I'm actually wondering if I do need the latest version of unity-2d. What if I fix a bug, wouldn't that patch make it into natty?13:43
fhdephan, andyrock: Well, I guess I would have to merge it into the latest version at some point, so I might as well work with the latest source.13:44
andyrockfhd, i think not (maybe i am wrong) but ubuntu needs a src expection, etc13:45
fhdandyrock: src expection?13:45
andyrockfhd, a patch that works with old code could not work with new code13:45
andyrockfhd, sorry... sru ex...13:45
fhdandyrock: Yeah13:45
Trevinhoandyrock: yes, unity works in Vbox, BUT, I don't upgraded to latest nux13:46
Trevinhosince it wasn't working13:46
fhdandyrock: And with vbox you mean virtualbox?13:47
andyrockok thx... API ^^^13:47
andyrockfhd, yeah13:47
Trevinhoyes VirtualBox13:47
TrevinhoI'm using oneiric in VBox and it works13:47
fhdandyrock: Don't think this would make development easier on my cute little netbook13:47
Trevinhobut few days ago I upgraded nux to latest commits and it wasn't working13:48
fhdBut that's apparently the typical development setup?13:48
TrevinhoI don't know if was vbox by the way13:48
andyrockfhd, do you want to develop on a little netbook? :P13:48
fhdandyrock: Yeah, on the train. It's not that bad, I even compiled Chromium on it :)13:48
andyrockfhd, i develop unity on real hardware on a real partition13:49
fhdandyrock: I've got a baby at home, so if I want to hack on stuff, it's on the train13:49
fhdandyrock: Well, I guess I have enough space for another ubuntu installation.13:49
andyrockfhd, greeting :)13:50
andyrockfor the baby... :)13:50
fhdandyrock: :)13:50
fhdandyrock: What's the typical way to install the latest Ubuntu for development purposes. A snapshot CD or something more geeky?13:53
ephanI don't think it makes any difference13:54
andyrockfhd, daily build should be good13:54
fhdandyrock: Right, I can just apt-get upgrade then13:54
fhdandyrock: Okay, thanks for your help, that's what I'll do then13:54
andyrockfhd, yw13:55
jcastrowoo a backlog fix: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/fix-783434/+merge/6971313:57
jcastronjpatel: find me a reviewer!13:57
ephangood jcastro13:58
njpateljcastro, been waiting for that one for some time :) DBO needs to review it13:59
jcastrohttps://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/unity/fix-742664-trunk/+merge/6975114:00
jcastroandyrock: nice dude!14:00
jcastronjpatel: there's that community review thing in launchpad.14:00
jcastrothat's pretty awesome14:01
andyrockjcastro, thx :) please force DBO to solve dnd problem in nux :)14:02
Trevinhojcastro: I hope to push another backlog fix soon14:02
Trevinho;)14:02
jcastrowoo14:03
ephanoh this is just a great fix14:03
TrevinhoOh God... The cc1plus compiler is really loving to eat my memory! :P14:04
kenvandineronoc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/654526/14:25
ronockenvandine, thanks14:27
ronockenvandine, hmmm, must be missing a dependency in the pkgconfig14:28
ronockenvandine, thats part of gtk314:29
kenvandineright14:29
ronocwere you compiling for 214:29
kenvandinethe package builds both14:30
ronocI will wrap the necessaries14:30
kenvandinethx14:30
ronocand resubmit14:30
kenvandinejust add a .114:30
ronockenvandine, will do14:30
kenvandinealso make sure you are building with -Werror14:30
kenvandinea bunch of those are simple fixes14:30
ronockenvandine, I do except for the service which because of valac needs to have warnings turned off14:31
ronocill try again though its been a while14:31
kenvandineok14:31
kenvandinethe package builds with -Werror14:31
kenvandineso it'll fail in the package14:31
ronockenvandine, ok, ill take a look14:31
kenvandinethx14:32
lucazadeHi! indicator-power is visible in Unity-3D but not in Unity-2D, is this a known issue?14:32
lucazadefiled bug 81808614:41
ubot5Launchpad bug 818086 in indicator-power (Ubuntu) "Indicator-power not visible in Unity-2D" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81808614:41
andyrockJohnLea_, around=14:42
andyrock?14:42
TrevinhoMh, the underscore doesn't meen anything good! :)14:42
andyrockTrevinho, sometimes i forgot to delete it14:42
andyrock:)14:42
TrevinhoYou're a n00b :)14:43
JohnLea_andyrock; pong14:44
andyrockJohnLea_, great! :) Trevinho needs you14:45
ephanhm, may I know for how long you guys have been Ubuntu Developers?14:45
andyrockephan, i am an unity contributor since about six month (or more, i don't know)14:46
JohnLea_Trevinho; hyia, how can I help?14:46
ephanandyrock, you started with the bitesize campaign? I think it was 6 months ago14:47
andyrockephan, my first patch was not bitesize but yes, i was and am a bitesize one!14:48
TrevinhoJohnLea_: I've made the fix for bug #69014314:48
ubot5Launchpad bug 690143 in unity "Launcher - Implement workspace/launcher cross interactions" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69014314:48
JohnLea_Trevinho; great!14:48
Trevinhohowever I'd like to show the border too of an icon14:49
Trevinhoshow the bug attachments14:49
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Trevinhotell me if you like that or if I should use what you already proposed14:49
ephanandyrock, thanks, I'm about to start with bitesize, but still fighting the source for now :)14:49
andyrockephan, jcastro will be glad to receive you... :)14:50
ephanandyrock, not sure if it'll be so soon. I only know GTK for a few months14:52
TrevinhoJohnLea: did you see that?14:53
andyrockephan, here you will learn a lot of things... have fun14:53
JohnLeaTrevinho; could you send us a mockup of this effect when tile illumination is always on?  Always on is our default setting, and I would have to get this change agreed by a couple of people.  To agree they will have to make a judgement on how this effect works combined with the 'always on' tile illumination setting.14:53
JohnLeaTrevinho; yes, I've see the mockups attached to the bug, thx14:53
TrevinhoThey're not mokcups actually14:54
Trevinhoit's running unity :)14:54
JohnLeacool ;-)14:54
JohnLeaa few screengrabs with the 'always on' setting then14:54
TrevinhoHowever according to the spec you gave the icon illumination was off14:54
JohnLeawoops, must be a out of date reference; could you point me to it so I can double check?14:55
TrevinhoJohnLea: I'm basing on the mockup you posted14:55
TrevinhoJohnLea: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/690143/+attachment/2162568/+files/launcher_window_on_other_workspace.png14:56
ubot5Ubuntu bug 690143 in unity "Launcher - Implement workspace/launcher cross interactions" [Medium,In progress]14:56
JohnLeaatm, by default tile illumination is always on.  This can be changed in ccsm though14:56
TrevinhoYEs, but in that mockup the illumination was on14:56
Trevinhobut not for that icon14:56
TrevinhoSo I used that as reference14:56
TrevinhoIf the illumination must be always on or just follow the ccsm settings I can revert the change...14:57
JohnLeayes, that mockup is a bit out of date14:57
JohnLeasorry14:57
JohnLeare. illumination14:57
JohnLeaThe default setting is 'backlight always on'.  However using ccsm it can be set to 'backlight toggles'14:58
TrevinhoOk...14:58
TrevinhoSo, you want that the illumination of the non-viewable windows follows the settings too?14:59
JohnLeaactually, with both settings if the app is running (on any workspace) it will be illuminated14:59
Trevinhoyes14:59
TrevinhoYou just want to change the icon indicator, though14:59
TrevinhoOk... Because I guess that in the case you set the illumination-toggle I guess that this solution could be better15:00
JohnLeayes, that change is signed off and can go is straight away.  However the side illumination is also a nice idea, but needs with work with tile illumination, and will also need to be signed off by a few people before it can go in.  I do like it though15:01
JohnLea'in' not 'is' ^15:01
andyrockdidrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/815032 bitsize bug?15:04
ubot5Ubuntu bug 815032 in unity (Ubuntu) "ccsm needs an option to change launcher opacity" [Wishlist,Confirmed]15:04
TrevinhoMh, ok JohnLea ... So... I will push the commit with the side-illumination enabled *only* when the "backlight always on" setting is disabled... If the design team approves it it will be merged, otherwise I'll adapt it to your decision.15:05
didrocksandyrock: I think it can be one, right (mid-size one as the code in Launcher.cpp isn't trivial)15:06
andyrockdidrocks, i know it too well :)15:06
didrocksandyrock: so for you, I guess, there will be no issue :)15:07
andyrocki'm adding it to unity contributors hacker...15:07
didrocksok, I guess you can give the necessary guidance15:07
JohnLeaTrevinho; even better, decouple it from the existing backlight illumination settings and provide a new option in the CCSM menu titled "Backlight toggles with side illumination".  This would make it easy to further evaluate and test this feature.15:07
andyrockdidrocks, it should be an alpha value hidden in the nux draw function15:08
JohnLeaTrevinho; then this setting could be added to the list of items to be tested in the next round of user testing15:08
didrocksandyrock: that or the blending I would say in the main launcher draw function15:09
JohnLeaTrevinho; (for clarity, this would be a new option inside the CCSM "Backlight Mode" menu)15:09
andyrockdidrocks, o15:10
andyrock*ok15:10
TrevinhoOk, I got it JohnLea15:10
JohnLeaTrevinho; cool, thx! ;-)15:10
didrocksandyrock: thanks! :)15:10
TrevinhoBut... JohnLea... the problem is.... With that option the side illumination should be used always?15:10
andyrockdidrocks, thx you15:10
Trevinhoor only for not-visible windows?15:10
JohnLeaTrevinho; this new option (disabled by default)  is exactly what you have already built if I understand correctly, e.g. 'Backlight Toggles' for running apps only on the current workspace, with side lighting for apps running on other workspaces.  Is my understanding correct?15:13
TrevinhoYes15:14
TrevinhoBut the name of the option could lead to a confusion... I mean, I know it's too long but it should be "Backlight toggles with side illumination on windows on other viewports" :P15:15
JohnLeaTrevinho; ;-)  how about "Backlight and side illumination toggles"?15:18
TrevinhoEhehe... Yes, I would have done that, but I said you for clarifying :)15:18
jonoDBO, heya, pal, in my new alt tab I don't see the tiles on the left and right curve into 3D, they are all flat - is that to be expected?15:53
DBOjono, they only curve if there is not enough room15:53
jonoDBO ahhh! makes sense15:54
* jono loads more apps15:54
jonolol15:54
andyrockjcastro, i have added https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/815032 to unity-community-hackers15:58
ubot5Ubuntu bug 815032 in unity (Ubuntu) "ccsm needs an option to change launcher opacity" [Wishlist,Confirmed]15:59
andyrockand i have added some more information, is it ok?15:59
jcastrowow15:59
jcastroI didn't even know we could do that15:59
andyrockjcastro, if nobody do it, i will fix it. i've other more important bugs to solve!16:03
jcastroheh16:04
didrocksjono: not sure you noticed my twit this week, but: http://twitter.com/#!/leDidRocks/status/9537143962403225616:04
jonodidrocks, sorry, pal, I did, I was just on the road - thanks so much!16:05
didrocksjono: yw, keep me updated about your experience! :)16:05
jonodidrocks, will do!16:05
jonodidrocks, speaking of which, are you familiar with a black box painting when you log into Unity? the black box appears where the keyring password window should be16:06
didrocksjono: oh? didn't get that one, but there are known compiz issue taking too much memory and preparing a lot of things no startup (images), maybe you see one appearing. Tell me if after next compiz update (on Monday normally) you still get it16:07
jonodidrocks, sounds good, I am filing a bug now, will keep you updated16:08
didrocksjono: excellent, thanks!16:08
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jonodidrocks, this is it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/81814216:13
ubot5Ubuntu bug 818142 in unity (Ubuntu) "Black box painted when logging into to Unity" [Undecided,New]16:13
didrocksjono: I'll affect compiz as well16:13
jonothanks didrocks16:14
ephanMy Unity version is "unity 3.8.16". Should the latest one (4.4.0) be installed on Natty's?16:48
tedgephan, The latest Unity is really more targeted at Oneiric.  It may be backportable, but I'm not sure anyone is looking at that.17:01
ephanI was wondering17:02
ephanthanks tedg17:02
jcastrocdbs: around?17:49
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ephanGuys, is there a way to change the order of the buttons in maximized frames on Unity (latest version)? The Close, Minimize,Maximize buttons18:21
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Trevinhojcastro: here you are the merge I was talking you about: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/fix-690143/+merge/69849 ;)19:30
jcastroreading19:30
jcastroooh, screenshots too!19:31
Trevinhoeheh :)19:31
jcastrowow, that looks pretty ninja19:31
ephanoh sweet19:32
Trevinhojcastro: however that screen is valid just using the last option...19:35
ephanWill "gnome-search-tool" be removed now that Unity has a launcher that can also search?19:53
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jonokenvandine, ping?20:28
kenvandinejono, pong20:30
jonokenvandine, quick q20:30
jonoI am finding that I often need to post tweets to multiple accounts20:30
jonois this something gwibber is planning on supporting?20:30
kenvandinegwibber has always supported that...20:31
kenvandine??20:31
jcastroephan: you still need the search tool20:31
jcastroephan: unity uses zeitgeist so it only indexes files you've used20:31
jcastrothere's no way to say, invoke the dash, do a search and have it search every file in a directory or whatever20:31
ephanthanks jcastro I was just wondering, since Ubuntu 11.10 is having space problems (or so I heard)20:53
ephanI'll move 11.10 when Alpha 3 is released so I can start helping more20:54
jcastroyeah hopefully it won't be so broken20:55
jcastroI'm having compiz issues the past few days20:55
ephanI expected that, moving to GTK3 is a big step IMO20:56
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