| ScottK | Quintasan: Pong | 00:50 |
|---|---|---|
| * ScottK will try to look at New as well. | 00:51 | |
| LaserJock | anybody happen to know why i would be getting old nasty gnome notifications in KDE instead of in the KDE notification thingy? | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | well, I guess I should say, in addition to the the KDE notifications | 03:50 |
| ScottK | LaserJock: Because you have notify-osd installed and it's not behaving politely? | 04:26 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: hmm, well that's not good :-) | 04:27 |
| ScottK | No. It's not. | 04:27 |
| ScottK | Wait, you said old Gnome notifications ... | 04:27 |
| ScottK | So notify-osd/libnotify | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | it's the old pre-notify-osd notifications, the yellow boxes | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | I'm having kde autostart gnome-setting-daemon for some other stuff, I would have thought that might have helped | 04:32 |
| LaserJock | grepping the ps output for notify just gives me knotify4, should a notify-osd process be running? | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: so do GNOME apps have notifications in KDE if notify-osd is uninstalled? | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | so far I'm just using pidgin and xchat so I don't know if it's something specific to the messaging indicator | 05:00 |
| micahg | LaserJock: try grepping for notif | 05:13 |
| compugirl | kde 4.7 for natty packages ready? | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | micahg: I get knotify4 and notification-daemon | 05:19 |
| LaserJock | I'm guessing notification-daemon could be providing the nasty yellow bubbles? | 05:19 |
| micahg | LaserJock: right :) | 05:19 |
| compugirl | Anyone know shen to expect kde 4.7 packages? | 05:19 |
| compugirl | edit when | 05:19 |
| LaserJock | hmm, so I need to figure out why it's starting up notification-daemon, I wonder if that's because I'm using GDM | 05:20 |
| micahg | probably, notify-osd provides notification-daemon | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | I found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1767740 which says it happens when kwin crashes | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | micahg: thanks, I try switching to KDM for a while and see if that works | 05:21 |
| micahg | oh, gdm w/KDE? | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:21 |
| micahg | LaserJock: do you have something that needs notification-daemon? | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | I have ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed and GDM | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | pidgin and xchat | 05:22 |
| micahg | LaserJock: on oneiric? | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | no, natty | 05:22 |
| micahg | ah | 05:23 |
| micahg | in oneiric, plasma-widgets-workspace provides it | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | hmm, doesn't seem like it does in natty | 05:25 |
| micahg | nope | 05:25 |
| LaserJock | you think oneiric's version would be installable on natty? | 05:26 |
| micahg | idk, but probably could qualify for an SRU if someone wants to drive it | 05:28 |
| yofel | micahg: should be doable, that was a regression IIRC | 05:43 |
| yofel | morning | 05:43 |
| Quintasan | Good morning | 06:09 |
| * Quintasan goes to fix nm | 06:09 | |
| Quintasan | yofel: You fixed that? | 06:09 |
| Quintasan | Thanks. | 06:09 |
| yofel | I dumped the patch | 06:09 |
| Quintasan | I woke up and thought about the same thing. | 06:09 |
| yofel | changelog said it was a cherry-pick anyway | 06:10 |
| * Quintasan goes to test upgrade now | 06:10 | |
| * Quintasan grabs a Dr. Pepper as well | 06:10 | |
| Quintasan | kubotu: order Dr. Pepper for Quintasan | 06:10 |
| * kubotu slides dr. pepper down the bar to Quintasan | 06:10 | |
| Quintasan | Is there a PolicyKit KDE GSoC project? | 06:12 |
| * Quintasan can never stop grumbling about that | 06:12 | |
| yofel | how would that look like? "Project: convert polkit from a PITA to something usable" ? | 06:13 |
| Quintasan | Yes | 06:14 |
| Quintasan | yofel: Now it (NM) works | 06:14 |
| yofel | yay | 06:14 |
| Quintasan | Somebody should get a release announcement | 06:16 |
| yofel | I've started with it, but I've only got a few mins left, after that I'll be at home in probably 4-5h | 06:16 |
| yofel | do some more testing till then | 06:16 |
| Quintasan | I'm testing | 06:17 |
| Quintasan | Gotta do some more stuff like KMail | 06:17 |
| Quintasan | Hmm, KMail2 even works now | 06:23 |
| Quintasan | :D | 06:23 |
| yofel | yeah, seems so (was surprised too) | 06:31 |
| yofel | I removed pim from ninjas so that doesn't get copied by mistake, the packages for experimental are in staging right now | 06:32 |
| yofel | I'm gone for now then, happy testing | 06:33 |
| bambee | morning | 07:15 |
| bambee | question: where is kde-workspace-data ? | 07:15 |
| bambee | (4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2) | 07:15 |
| bambee | I've accidently removed kde-workspace-bin and kde-window-manager (I am an idiot), and I cannot install kde-workspace-bin 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2 because kde-workspace-data 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2 is missing | 07:16 |
| debfx | bambee: an archive admin needs to accept it | 07:28 |
| bambee | debfx: don't worry, I am forcing the install with dpkg | 07:40 |
| bambee | kde-workspace-bin 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1 depends on kde-workspace-data 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2 => It's just a revision bump, it should work | 07:41 |
| bambee | (until it's fixed correctly) | 07:41 |
| === kalyan is now known as kallu | ||
| kallu | exit | 07:44 |
| bambee | debfx: problem solved | 07:51 |
| bambee | yofel: did we find a solution for the meeting, finally? | 07:59 |
| yofel | see ML, the meeting is today | 08:02 |
| bambee | arf :'( | 08:05 |
| bambee | so I need to schedule another one after DS | 08:05 |
| yofel | just schedule a new one, DS starts next friday, so plenty of time | 08:05 |
| bambee | ok | 08:05 |
| * yofel does another dep check on PIM | 08:06 | |
| yofel | works fine too | 08:14 |
| yofel | bbl | 08:14 |
| === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger | ||
| yofel | hm, plasma-widget-quickaccess is being removed here | 09:28 |
| * yofel goes rebuilding | 09:28 | |
| yofel | fancytasks rebuilt too | 09:33 |
| sheytan | Heya | 09:37 |
| sheytan | is 4.7 building for natty? :) | 09:37 |
| Quintasan | sheytan: It is built, we are testing | 09:43 |
| sheytan | Quintasan great :) | 09:43 |
| Quintasan | yofel: Are we having a kubuntu-dev meeting today or not? | 09:45 |
| yofel | I did send a mail that we're having one | 09:45 |
| yofel | any wiki page I need to update? | 09:45 |
| yofel | the procedure doesn't say so | 09:46 |
| === debfx changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | kubuntu-dev meeting today at 09:00 PM UTC | 4.7.0 Packaging: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html | ||
| yofel | good idea | 09:59 |
| === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger | ||
| Tm_T | 2100 UTC that is? | 10:00 |
| yofel | yes | 10:00 |
| bambee | well, I am busy for the weekend. I am back sunday in the evening | 10:04 |
| yofel | ok, now let's try to install full 4.7 on natty | 10:06 |
| linuxrocks | are 4.7 packages out yet? | 10:25 |
| yofel | nope | 10:26 |
| yofel | bah, kde-icons-mono failed | 10:26 |
| linuxrocks | dependancy problems? OpenSuse and fedora seem to have had packages for ages? | 10:27 |
| yofel | no, overwrite error (file conflict with the 4.6.5 packages) | 10:27 |
| yofel | and they a) do the packaging differently b) have a larger team I think | 10:28 |
| linuxrocks | hmm maybe a different ppa for 4.7 then would work | 10:28 |
| yofel | linuxrocks: the packages are done, there simply wasn't enough testing yet | 10:29 |
| debfx | apachelogger: the split tarballs use a desktop_<module>_<name> scheme for the gettext domain, so we are currently not importing any upstream translations for those | 10:29 |
| yofel | as my failure just now shows pretty well | 10:29 |
| linuxrocks | ok | 10:29 |
| linuxrocks | Maybe packaging a release like 4.7.1 for release will be easier as quirks would already be sorted out in the .0 release | 10:31 |
| yofel | oh, 4.7.0 was already much easier than 4.6.90, 4.7.1 will be trivial | 10:31 |
| CIA-52 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdeartwork] Philip Muškovac * 117 * debian/ (changelog control) Bump breaks/replaces on kmouth to catch 4.6.5 packages | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | as long as someone writes scripts | 10:32 |
| yofel | on my TODO list | 10:32 |
| yofel | hm, might as well use the blueprint | 10:33 |
| debfx | apachelogger: I do wonder why we don't just leave the desktop files as they are | 10:35 |
| debfx | we constantly break the translations for little benefit | 10:35 |
| apachelogger | now you know why ScottK and I do not wanna touch that stuff very much | 10:35 |
| debfx | so what are the reasons for doing that in the first place? | 10:38 |
| apachelogger | debfx: we can update translations after release | 10:41 |
| apachelogger | also add new translations forcustomers in one single place | 10:41 |
| yofel | anyone else who wants to do some testing? (esp. the pim stuff in staging) | 10:42 |
| yofel | oh great, kdm crashed at logout :( | 10:43 |
| * yofel wonders why he gets a resolution change between the KDM and ksplash wallpaper | 10:47 | |
| yofel | or rather seems to be different scaling | 10:48 |
| debfx | apachelogger: we can update translations with the KDE SRU exception | 10:50 |
| debfx | I'd rather have customers feed translations back to upstream | 10:52 |
| apachelogger | debfx: the point of updates past release is also past kde supportance | 10:54 |
| Quintasan | yofel: PIM stuff works rather well here | 11:01 |
| Quintasan | yofel: I want to use kopypackages | 11:01 |
| Quintasan | tell me when to mash the enter button | 11:01 |
| debfx | apachelogger: I doubt that this is a practical issue, I would want some data on how many translations are updated post kde support | 11:03 |
| yofel | Quintasan: well, PIM works reasonably enough, and I can't see any dep issues | 11:07 |
| yofel | so feel free to kopy -a staging to experimental | 11:07 |
| muntiKubu | yofel: kde-window-manager and kde-workspace* being held back? | 11:08 |
| apachelogger | debfx: you should be talking to dpm really | 11:08 |
| yofel | muntiKubu: that's oneiric? | 11:08 |
| muntiKubu | yes | 11:09 |
| yofel | haven't updated yet today, sec | 11:09 |
| yofel | currently not here, but I've lost track of what package is installed from where @_@ | 11:12 |
| debfx | dpm: ^ | 11:12 |
| * dpm reads scrollback | 11:12 | |
| yofel | apachelogger, debfx: you guys have some time to do natty 4.7 testing? | 11:13 |
| muntiKubu | yofel: bec of = dep on *0ubuntu1 build. wouldn't it be better if dep >= simce there would be more "0ubuntun+1" build coming? | 11:13 |
| apachelogger | yofel: define testing | 11:14 |
| yofel | no, I believe that dep should be that tight | 11:14 |
| apachelogger | also: if it breaks my system my gsoc mentor will come after you | 11:14 |
| apachelogger | now that he lives in germany that is a real threat actually | 11:14 |
| yofel | ah k, well, WFM :P | 11:14 |
| muntiKubu | just a thought..:( | 11:14 |
| apachelogger | yofel: from what ppa? | 11:15 |
| dpm | debfx, so is the question whether it makes sense to do an SRU of translations? And that you are saying that you'd like upstream stats on which have been updated? I think you can only get the stats from upstream, but in any case, unless it is a huge amount of work, I'd just go for it | 11:15 |
| yofel | apachelogger: ninjas | 11:15 |
| yofel | muntiKubu: seems like it's still stuck in NEW | 11:16 |
| yofel | ScottK: ^ | 11:16 |
| muntiKubu | also what's that huge empty space in calendar from plasma digital clock on systray? | 11:17 |
| debfx | dpm: the questions is if we should continue to move the translations of desktop files into gettext/language packs | 11:18 |
| debfx | it's quite fragile and no one really maintains it | 11:18 |
| yofel | muntiKubu: seems to have to do with korganizer, if you go to settings -> calendar -> and uncheck "Display events" the space is gone | 11:19 |
| * yofel goes finishing the 4.7 announcement | 11:20 | |
| muntiKubu | yofel: thanks.. | 11:20 |
| Quintasan | yofel: Copied | 11:22 |
| yofel | thanks :) | 11:22 |
| yofel | Quintasan: hm, can you check whether you can add new events in korganizer? | 11:26 |
| yofel | I can in O, but not in natty | 11:27 |
| Quintasan | natty | 11:29 |
| Quintasan | hmm | 11:29 |
| Quintasan | testin | 11:29 |
| yofel | ah, I have no default calendar o.O | 11:29 |
| Quintasan | no default calendar here too | 11:30 |
| yofel | akonadi is running though... | 11:31 |
| Quintasan | works when I add a default calendar | 11:32 |
| Quintasan | ohshi | 11:34 |
| Quintasan | bbl | 11:34 |
| apachelogger | yofel: install done | 11:36 |
| apachelogger | all goody | 11:36 |
| * apachelogger does not dare reboot | 11:36 | |
| === tazz_ is now known as tazz | ||
| yofel | bah, built against wrong assuan btw., fixed | 11:46 |
| yofel | hm, other than kdepim I can't find any issues though | 11:50 |
| yofel | how does that mess of software call itself these days in *short* ? Can one still use SC? | 11:51 |
| apachelogger | irssi <3 | 12:03 |
| apachelogger | yofel: you broke my install | 12:03 |
| apachelogger | kde-workspace shite got removed on upgrade, or not installed or something | 12:04 |
| yofel | why? | 12:05 |
| apachelogger | how would I know | 12:05 |
| yofel | is kubuntu-desktop installed? | 12:05 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: if qapt were to implement support for apturl we could get rid of apturl ^^ | 12:05 |
| apachelogger | yofel: well, not anymore its not | 12:05 |
| yofel | then try to install it | 12:05 |
| apachelogger | so I did | 12:07 |
| yofel | does that pull it back in? | 12:08 |
| apachelogger_ | apachelogger: go away! | 12:08 |
| apachelogger_ | yofel: seems me system is back | 12:09 |
| apachelogger_ | network manager seems utterly broken though | 12:09 |
| * yofel realizes he didn't test the 4.7 + pim 4.4 combination | 12:09 | |
| apachelogger_ | can't detect shit | 12:09 |
| yofel | Quintasan: and NM works for you? | 12:09 |
| apachelogger | apachelogger_: bstd | 12:09 |
| apachelogger_ | my pager is kaput though | 12:10 |
| * apachelogger_ breaks his qtcreator while he is at it | 12:11 | |
| === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger | ||
| * yofel reboots into natty on his notebook | 12:14 | |
| stefan` | apachelogger: kde-workspace-bin : Depends: kde-workspace-data (= 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2) but 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 12:36 |
| yofel | that's oneiric and needs ScottK | 12:37 |
| stefan` | apachelogger: this is why workspace, window-manager and kubuntu-desktop get removed | 12:37 |
| stefan` | apachelogger: ... if you use apt-get, that is | 12:38 |
| apachelogger | yofel: ^ fix my stuff | 12:39 |
| yofel | I'll see if I can debug NM in a bit, as for deps nothing's broken here | 12:39 |
| apachelogger | yofel: I think the solid parts got moved out of workspace | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | so supposedly we just need a newer version of knm | 12:43 |
| yofel | we *did* use a new snapshot | 12:43 |
| yofel | that's if Quintasan exported the right hash | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | or maybe that broke it then :P | 12:43 |
| Quintasan | :/ | 12:43 |
| yofel | probably, but the old one was broken too | 12:44 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2011/07/plasma-nm-bugs-fixed-after-465.html | 12:44 |
| Quintasan | bb6e3b82dd23f05df8d875627622195e291b5a6d <- master | 12:44 |
| Quintasan | sup | 12:44 |
| Quintasan | I'm pretty sure I can copypaste tag just fine | 12:45 |
| * Quintasan test 4.7.0 on his machine | 12:50 | |
| yofel | yay, kwin crahs | 12:51 |
| Quintasan | hmmm | 12:51 |
| yofel | true, NM is crap | 12:51 |
| Quintasan | yofel: Krusader needs to be fixed | 12:52 |
| Quintasan | depends on libkonq5a | 12:52 |
| yofel | true, was in a hurry before. kmess too | 12:53 |
| yofel | that should be all of the rdeps then | 12:53 |
| Quintasan | yofel: Isn't NM crap no matter what we do? | 12:53 |
| yofel | well, according to lamarque it *should* work... somehow | 12:53 |
| Quintasan | We're experiencing something totally opposite here :S | 12:54 |
| Quintasan | Well, I'm off to buy food and additional RAMz | 12:54 |
| Quintasan | bbl | 12:54 |
| yofel | /usr/lib/kde4/solid_networkmanager09.so in oneiric | 12:54 |
| yofel | now let's find the natty one | 12:54 |
| yofel | I think I know what happened, need to testbuild kde-workspace | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | could someone fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/754942 | 13:22 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 754942 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "The qmltooling/tcpserver plugin is missing" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 13:22 |
| * apachelogger cant do debugging! | 13:22 | |
| yofel | *sigh* | 13:30 |
| yofel | I knew it... | 13:30 |
| yofel | # list-missing files result: | 13:30 |
| yofel | -./usr/lib/kde4/solid_networkmanager07.so | 13:30 |
| yofel | fixing | 13:30 |
| yofel | kmess and krusader rebuild up too | 13:35 |
| ScottK | kde-wallpapers accepted. | 13:45 |
| ScottK | kde-workspace too | 13:46 |
| yofel | some proofreading appreciated: http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/47an.png | 13:51 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: i'd say that either use "Oneiric and Natty" or "11.10 and 11.04" | 13:54 |
| shadeslayer | and follow that convention everwhere | 13:55 |
| yofel | That's how jr did it, I prefer 11.04 and 11.10, but 11.10 doesn't exist before october, so oneiric | 13:55 |
| shadeslayer | looks good otherwise | 13:55 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: yeah, its a pedantic fix ^_^ | 13:56 |
| shadeslayer | and, hey everyone :) | 13:56 |
| yofel | right, hello ^^ | 13:57 |
| shadeslayer | for some reason i have to boot into recovery and then start kdm, if i boot the stable kernel with the same args, my screen goes black when it tries to start KDM ... | 13:58 |
| yofel | welcome to everyone's favourite black screen on boot issue | 13:59 |
| allee | ScottK: thx!! so only matter of archive update until kubuntu-desktop can installed again. | 13:59 |
| shadeslayer | known issue? | 13:59 |
| shadeslayer | i didn't know that | 13:59 |
| yofel | well, I think it's kms related, pops up in #+1 every now and then | 14:00 |
| yofel | try nomodeset | 14:00 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: tried that, and it works with single nomodeset, just using nomodeset doesn't work | 14:00 |
| yofel | even more fun... | 14:01 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: btw upgrade still wants to remove kubuntu-desktop | 14:03 |
| yofel | *now* blame your mirror ^^ (I think) | 14:03 |
| shadeslayer | nope, i'm using the main archives | 14:04 |
| yofel | then find out what's broken, I've too many PPAs here... | 14:04 |
| shadeslayer | yeah will debug in a couple of minutes | 14:04 |
| shadeslayer | http://paste.kde.org/103267/ << here's something to look at, bbian | 14:06 |
| shadeslayer | s/bbian/bbiab/ | 14:06 |
| kubotu | shadeslayer meant: "http://paste.kde.org/103267/ << here's something to look at, bbiab" | 14:06 |
| allee | yofel: add packages to 'kde pim 4.7 won't be ship ... SC packages ...' kde pim is now officially shippedwith SC, but not our pkgs | 14:16 |
| yofel | good catch | 14:17 |
| yofel | now reads "... won't be shipped together with our KDE SC 4.7 packages ..." | 14:18 |
| yofel | apachelogger: who's the admin of those auto-generated todo pages using the blueprints again? | 14:20 |
| allee | shadeslayer: isn't this the kde-workspace{-data,-bin} version mismatch? Try apt-get install kdeworkspace-bin | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | yofel: chrisjohnston | 14:26 |
| allee | shadeslayer: or apt-cache policy kde-workspace-{bin,data} # still not same version in oneiric | 14:26 |
| yofel | thanks | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | allee: yofel http://paste.kde.org/103285/ | 14:42 |
| yofel | ok, NM not totally broken anymore | 14:42 |
| yofel | now I would appreciate it if it would show me some networks... | 14:43 |
| shadeslayer | aha found the problem | 14:45 |
| mfraz74 | any ideas what is causing the places panel in dolphin to have a black background? | 14:45 |
| shadeslayer | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 14:45 |
| shadeslayer | kde-workspace-bin : Depends: kde-workspace-data (= 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2) but 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 14:45 |
| allee | shadeslayer: -data is not available as 0ubuntu2. AFAIU scott approved the missing version so archive should be udated soon | 14:45 |
| shadeslayer | allee: yeah :) | 14:46 |
| yofel | apachelogger: NM fixed, you need to logout though | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | not again! | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | zomg | 14:47 |
| yofel | well, try it without, but restarting plasma gave me no networks :/ | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | course not youd' have to restart kded | 14:48 |
| shadeslayer | did you refresh the cache ? :P | 14:48 |
| yofel | oops, true | 14:48 |
| shadeslayer | oic | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: like did you see my latest outburst of madness? | 14:49 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: no ... should i ? | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | of course | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/phonon-qml-glslrgb32-speed-experiment.mp4 | 14:50 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: i've be busy poking my shiny plasmoid to connect to my Dataengine | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | sounds like porn really | 14:51 |
| * yofel has been busy fixing 4.7 | 14:51 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: QML does not like Plamsma dataengines it seems | 14:52 |
| apachelogger | qml likes everything | 14:52 |
| yofel | and here I wanted to do some docs recap for the meeting later -.- | 14:52 |
| apachelogger | it is javascript after all | 14:52 |
| shadeslayer | true, but then why does it not want to read my dataengine? :P | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | oh right, I'll likely not be able to make the meeting | 14:53 |
| yofel | :( | 14:53 |
| yofel | what's up? | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | friend having birthday | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | to hell with social obligations I say | 14:54 |
| yofel | ah, then I'll forgive you ;) | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | yofel: I can drop some questions by mail if you want :P | 14:54 |
| yofel | uh... sure... | 14:54 |
| yofel | ok... with NM fixed. Any issues that need to be taken care of? I'm done with my list | 14:56 |
| mfraz74 | any ideas http://imagebin.org/165453 ? | 14:57 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: do we need to include the moc only when subclassing from QObject? | 14:57 |
| shadeslayer | mfraz74: 0.o | 14:58 |
| yofel | +1 | 14:58 |
| yofel | mfraz74: any change if you disable compositing? | 14:58 |
| shadeslayer | ... or restart kwin ? | 14:58 |
| mfraz74 | yofel: none | 14:58 |
| yofel | never seen something like that till now | 14:59 |
| mfraz74 | it is like that when I boot the netbook | 14:59 |
| mfraz74 | have it on 2 netbooks, but no other device | 14:59 |
| shadeslayer | possible driver bug? | 15:00 |
| yofel | would be my guess too, but I'm really guessing | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | likewise | 15:01 |
| mfraz74 | don't remember seeing it before upgrade to 4.6.5 | 15:01 |
| yofel | I could try to upgrade my backup flash install later and try it on my eeePC | 15:02 |
| yofel | but that'll have to wait | 15:02 |
| mfraz74 | where would the settings for this sort of thing be stored? | 15:02 |
| mfraz74 | odd that it only seems to be affecting the places panel in both dolphin and in the "save as" window | 15:03 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: got a sec? | 15:04 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: you should not need to include the moc at all | 15:05 |
| shadeslayer | oh ok | 15:06 |
| apachelogger | RTFM | 15:06 |
| * apachelogger has had an itchy nose all day long and doesn't know why | 15:06 | |
| mfraz74 | if I drag the places panel outside of dolphin the background is transparent as in the quick access browser | 15:07 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: i was looking at a techbase tutorial which said that you need to include the moc because we are subclassing from QObject | 15:07 |
| shadeslayer | whereas Qt docs said that you don't have to, which is why i asked | 15:07 |
| apachelogger | where do qt docs say that? | 15:08 |
| apachelogger | where does techbase say that? | 15:08 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/2vrbH.png >> thats my dataengine, and http://paste.kde.org/103291/ is my plasmoid, any ideas why its not working? | 15:08 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/DataEngines << techabase docs that say i need to include moc | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | ok, not all that wrong | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | so where does Qt say you don't need the include? | 15:10 |
| shadeslayer | yeah trying to find where i saw that | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | import Qt 4.7 | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | you should import QtQuick 1.0 really | 15:11 |
| apachelogger | also | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: #plasma | 15:12 |
| shadeslayer | oh oh oh | 15:12 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: yeah one sec | 15:12 |
| shadeslayer | i think i know how to fix it | 15:12 |
| debfx | bah, stupid file overwrite errors | 15:14 |
| yofel | debfx: got some still? | 15:16 |
| yofel | or do you mean O? | 15:16 |
| yofel | ok... | 15:16 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: how's kstars? | 15:16 |
| apachelogger | O O O your boat gently down the stream | 15:16 |
| debfx | yofel: I've mixed up kde-workspace-data and kdebase-workspace-data | 15:16 |
| yofel | oh | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: a) no one uploaded new indi to archives | 15:17 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: how's it in the sense of backportability? | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | b) i've submitted my CMake patch to kstars upstream, waiting on their comments first | 15:17 |
| yofel | since that's about the last thing that's left and possible to do | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: jr had packages for natty, i forward ported two of those to oneiric | 15:18 |
| shadeslayer | so natty actually has better indi support than oneiric | 15:18 |
| shadeslayer | everything else indi is FTBFS on O | 15:18 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: the video player looks slow | 15:19 |
| shadeslayer | but neat anyways | 15:19 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: what needs to be done for natty 4.7 then? | 15:19 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: dirty fix : copy over jr's package and make kstars build with those | 15:20 |
| shadeslayer | proper fix: upload the 2 packages we have for oneiric into archives and backport those to natty | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: what is slow? | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | the scrolling | 15:22 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: can I just backport those before they're in the archive? (the bindings aren't either) | 15:22 |
| * apachelogger notes that QGV is pretty much dying from all the update requests from all over the scene | 15:22 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: the video looks like its stuttering | 15:22 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: if they build, i don't see why not | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | perhaps on the video of the video *shrug* | 15:23 |
| shadeslayer | but kstars won't pick up indi without my findINDI.cmake patch | 15:23 |
| shadeslayer | http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/102119/ | 15:24 |
| yofel | is that in the O package? | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer | i haven't uploaded the O package yet, i'm waiting for upstream to comment on that | 15:24 |
| yofel | if not I would say we just delay it, I just checked and old kstars works fine with 4.7 | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer | upstream says that they will look at it in a couple of hours, so we could just release kstars after we release the rest of 4.7 | 15:25 |
| yofel | ack | 15:25 |
| yofel | if nobody has any new breakage to report I'll copy the packages then | 15:26 |
| yofel | apachelogger, Quintasan ^ | 15:26 |
| * yofel goes merging kde-l10n branches | 15:32 | |
| apachelogger | sure why not | 15:32 |
| yofel | apachelogger: how does your new script fetch the tarballs? you don't define the download location anymore | 15:36 |
| yofel | ah, didn't read the script properly | 15:38 |
| yofel | sry | 15:38 |
| CIA-52 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common-natty] Philip Muškovac * 100 * debian/ (config README.source build-l10n.sh changelog control rules) Merge changes from master branch for the 4.7 packages | 15:41 |
| CIA-52 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common-natty] Philip Muškovac * 101 * debian/ (changelog config) 4.7.0 release | 15:44 |
| CIA-52 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common-natty] Philip Muškovac * 102 * debian/config fix used branch | 15:46 |
| yofel | ok then, copying | 15:47 |
| Quintasan | yofel: Copy em all! | 15:49 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: tf2 in 45 minutes? | 15:50 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: Not really, skateboarding, if it rains I'll join you in TF | 15:50 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 15:51 |
| yofel | ooops | 15:54 |
| yofel | I won't be able to upload kde-l10n to backports... we're out of space | 15:55 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 15:55 |
| shadeslayer | do we even upload l10n to backports? | 15:55 |
| shadeslayer | iirc we didn't | 15:55 |
| yofel | the other backports have kde-l10n | 15:55 |
| mfraz74 | can anything be removed from the PPA? | 15:55 |
| shadeslayer | dunno then | 15:56 |
| yofel | well, it's 4.5.3 lucid and 4.6.2 maverick currently | 15:56 |
| yofel | and KDE uses a lot of space | 15:56 |
| micahg | debfx: can you revert your change from libjpeg-dev to libjpeg62-dev (as soon as my fix gets uploaded and built)? libjpeg8 won't be providing the virtual package anymore | 15:56 |
| yofel | wgrant: you think we can get yet another increase of space? it's already 10GiB | 15:57 |
| Riddell | I'd remove the backports for anything other than the current release | 15:57 |
| Riddell | if you want a new software you should upgrade to newer releases | 15:57 |
| yofel | hm, I'll leave maverick in there, but I'll purge lucid | 15:57 |
| shadeslayer | don't | 15:58 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: the lucid packages were sponsored | 15:58 |
| yofel | didn't yet... | 15:58 |
| mfraz74 | isn't lucid the LTS release? | 15:58 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 15:58 |
| yofel | it is | 15:58 |
| yofel | well, shadeslayer is right, had forgotten about that for a moment | 15:58 |
| yofel | maverick it is then | 15:58 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: get us moar space :P | 15:59 |
| mfraz74 | how much more space is required? | 15:59 |
| yofel | well, I pinged wgrant, he should know (I hope | 15:59 |
| yofel | mfraz74: ~2G I would say | 15:59 |
| yofel | at least including some buffer | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | 2-3 Gigs should be enough i guess | 16:00 |
| Riddell | it's up to the launchpad sysadmins I think, you would need to open a question on answers.lp.net | 16:00 |
| Riddell | but as I say my view has been we should only keep backports around for the current release | 16:00 |
| mfraz74 | what does it mean when it says newer version available? can those packages be deleted? | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | mfraz74: it means a newer version of the package has been uploaded in the archive for that release | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | so the archive package will superseed the one in the PPA | 16:01 |
| mfraz74 | shadeslayer: which means those packages can be removed from the PPA? | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | mfraz74: not necessarily | 16:02 |
| shadeslayer | it just means a newer version is available and you can bump the version of the package in your PPA to superseed the one in the archives | 16:02 |
| yofel | kdepim for lucid can go though, lucid-updates has a newer one | 16:03 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 16:04 |
| mfraz74 | i see you've only got .5GiB free | 16:08 |
| girl_ | When kde 4.7 backports is ready will I be able to revert changes with ppa-purge? | 16:09 |
| yofel | that was the first batch, the script errored out in between, some more packages coming | 16:09 |
| yofel | girl_: you _should_ be able to revert all package changes with ppa-purge. But if you want to revert your user configuration you should first make a backup of your ~/.kde folder | 16:10 |
| girl_ | yofel: ok thanks for the insight | 16:11 |
| mfraz74 | is Amarok 2.4.2 going to be in Oneric? | 16:11 |
| yofel | ok, second batch arrived and is waiting for publishing | 16:13 |
| mfraz74 | repository size has reached 100% | 16:14 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: I'll go remove maverick, people really should upgrade to natty if they don't want the LTS | 16:14 |
| yofel | and they should have the packages already installed anyway | 16:14 |
| shadeslayer | yus | 16:15 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: thats fine with me | 16:15 |
| yofel | good :) | 16:15 |
| debfx | mfraz74: no, but 2.4.3 if someone packages it :) | 16:18 |
| mfraz74 | :) | 16:19 |
| mfraz74 | didn't think 2.4.3 is out yet | 16:19 |
| * yofel will write kcleanppa over the weekend... | 16:20 | |
| yofel | anyway, goodbye mav | 16:20 |
| mfraz74 | bye bye maverick | 16:20 |
| yofel | and all published https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=natty&batch=200 :D | 16:21 |
| laksa | at last. its worth waiting | 16:22 |
| yofel | enjoy :) | 16:22 |
| yofel | translations coming once the janitor made some space... | 16:22 |
| debfx | micahg: sure, if I can remember which packages I've changed ;) | 16:22 |
| micahg | debfx: gwenview I think | 16:23 |
| * debfx invokes reverse-build-depends | 16:23 | |
| mfraz74 | how come if you view the failed to build log it is still showing karmic and jaunty? | 16:28 |
| yofel | the database doesn't throw the history away | 16:29 |
| yofel | only the actual package data is deleted, not it's traces in the database | 16:29 |
| yofel | *its | 16:29 |
| mfraz74 | oh, so the 60 failed builds aren't necessary about the current available packages? | 16:29 |
| girl_ | all natty packages ready for upgrading an english kde installation of 4.6.5? | 16:30 |
| yofel | yes | 16:31 |
| girl_ | 10.1 GiB (100.00%) of 10.0 GiB wink: | 16:34 |
| mfraz74 | girl_: i noticed that too | 16:34 |
| yofel | it's soft-limit, you can't upload anymore, but the builds will still publish | 16:34 |
| mfraz74 | just tried to update - it wants to remove 16 packages including kde-window-manager | 16:35 |
| yofel | mfraz74: get me the whole list | 16:35 |
| mfraz74 | yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/654609/ | 16:36 |
| yofel | mfraz74: any reason why it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop? (try with -V) | 16:37 |
| girl_ | mfraz74 try aptitude instead of apt-get | 16:37 |
| mfraz74 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/654611/ | 16:38 |
| mfraz74 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/654612/ | 16:39 |
| yofel | the last one looks sane | 16:40 |
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| girl_ | kdebase-workspace-data is missing from ppa | 16:40 |
| yofel | that's replaced by kde-workspace-data | 16:41 |
| girl_ | ah ok | 16:41 |
| girl_ | but the announcement on kubuntu.org says 10hours ago kde 4.7 how is that possible it was only just built! | 16:43 |
| yofel | I wrote it 10h ago, and drupal stupidly shows the time when I first pressed save, not when I published it :/ | 16:43 |
| girl_ | kubuntu.org has copyright 2010 every year I file a bug report about that and it is changed in nov or dec then next year we have a new bug | 16:45 |
| yofel | heh, where? | 16:45 |
| girl_ | down on the page | 16:45 |
| girl_ | © 2010 Canonical Ltd. and the Kubuntu community. Icons copyright of Oxygen icon theme Kubuntu and Canonical are registered trademarks of Canonical Ltd. | 16:45 |
| mfraz74 | what happens regarding the removal of nepomukcontroller? | 16:46 |
| yofel | mfraz74: that's now in -runtime I think | 16:46 |
| yofel | or workspace, not sure | 16:46 |
| mfraz74 | yofel: so going ahead with http://paste.ubuntu.com/654609/ should work? | 16:46 |
| girl_ | yofel: so the copyright will change in december :d | 16:47 |
| LaserJock | anybody know when agateau is generally around? | 16:47 |
| yofel | mfraz74: you had http://paste.ubuntu.com/654612/ at one point, that's more correct | 16:47 |
| yofel | I think your digikam2 package confuses apt | 16:48 |
| mfraz74 | yofel: sorry, that's the one that i meant! pasted from the wrong URL | 16:48 |
| yofel | as I can't reproduce that situation here | 16:48 |
| girl_ | let me try please wait rebooting fro windows | 16:48 |
| mfraz74 | digikam is 2.0 from https://launchpad.net/~philip5/+archive/extra | 16:48 |
| mfraz74 | going to try it on my netbook first | 16:50 |
| girl | refreshing repos | 16:52 |
| yofel | hm, something else it seems, still doesn't remove kubuntu-desktop | 16:54 |
| girl | what is the size of a general upgrade in mb | 16:56 |
| yofel | depending on what you have installed 150-300MB I think (without debugging symbols) | 16:56 |
| girl | with debugging symbols | 16:57 |
| girl | 700 mb? | 16:57 |
| yofel | can go up to 1GB I think, but 500-700 sounds reasonable | 16:57 |
| laksa | 166 updates? can someone confirm? | 16:58 |
| yofel | looks right, with kde-full I have 240 in my test setup right now | 16:58 |
| laksa | cool | 16:59 |
| LaserJock | what's the difference between kubuntu-ppa/ppa and kubuntu-ppa/backports ? | 17:02 |
| yofel | LaserJock: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs | 17:03 |
| LaserJock | awesome, a wiki page for everything :-) | 17:03 |
| mfraz74 | 165 to upgrade here | 17:04 |
| girl | Working fine. No broken dependencies, nothing to remove | 17:07 |
| LaserJock | 156 upgraded, 39 newly installed, 11 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 17:07 |
| mfraz74 | having problems installing libkdcraw20 | 17:07 |
| girl | Upgrade from 4.6.5 on natty with debugging symbols and qt development tools | 17:07 |
| girl | Thanks a bunch Package Ninja's | 17:08 |
| mfraz74 | had to remove kdegraphics-strigi-plugins and kdegraphics-thumbnailers | 17:09 |
| yofel | mfraz74: saw it, dpkg -r --force-depends libkdcraw-20 | 17:09 |
| yofel | should work then | 17:09 |
| mfraz74 | yofel: still not working | 17:13 |
| yofel | what's wrong now? | 17:14 |
| yofel | ah wait, digikam2 will pull that in again | 17:15 |
| mfraz74 | yes libkdcraw-20 is trying to overwrite libkdcraw.so.20.0.0 | 17:16 |
| yofel | right, that's the same module, in 2 differently named packages | 17:16 |
| mfraz74 | any ideas? | 17:18 |
| yofel | great, the debian policy allows either libVERSION and lib-VERSION | 17:19 |
| mfraz74 | what a wonderful policy! | 17:20 |
| ScottK | So what two packages provide it? | 17:20 |
| yofel | our libkdcraw20 and the libkdcraw-20 from the other PPA | 17:20 |
| yofel | IMO he should Break/Replace/Provide libkdcraw20, or add a transitional package | 17:21 |
| yofel | or just rename his packages | 17:23 |
| mfraz74 | is there anything I can do to fix it my end? | 17:23 |
| ScottK | Email "other PPA owner" and volunteer that they ought join us and help with official packages instead of maintaining their own. | 17:24 |
| ScottK | mfraz74: Installing packages from random PPAs isn't generally a great idea. | 17:24 |
| yofel | at least we don't support every little PPA out there, and have no intention of doing so | 17:25 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: whaaa?! I thought that was why PPAs were created .... | 17:27 |
| LaserJock | :p | 17:28 |
| yofel | PPA's were created to add an easy way to break user systems post-release ;) | 17:28 |
| mfraz74 | lol | 17:29 |
| LaserJock | I thought it was an easy way to get root access to thousands of computers .... | 17:29 |
| DarkwingDuck | Good morning guys | 17:29 |
| ScottK | smokegen accepted. | 17:29 |
| allee | mfraz74: AFAIU name-APIVERS is used with name ends with a number. Otherwise nameAPIVERS | 17:29 |
| yofel | moin DarkwingDuck | 17:29 |
| ScottK | Good afternoon DarkwingDuck | 17:29 |
| yofel | allee: it says when it's "confusing" - that can mean anything... | 17:30 |
| DarkwingDuck | So, now that I have stable internet again... | 17:30 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'm Back :D | 17:30 |
| mfraz74 | i see phonon config is still broken ::( | 17:30 |
| yofel | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html#s-sharedlibs-runtime - first paragraph | 17:30 |
| yofel | btw - anyone an idea why the geolocation plugin is broken in digikam oneiric? | 17:31 |
| yofel | not sure where to start looking | 17:31 |
| yofel | just says "Geolocation using Marble not available" | 17:32 |
| ScottK | libindi binaries accepted. | 17:32 |
| allee | yofel: if one get's easily confused yes it can be anything. Otherwise I would sign only the 'if ends with a number' argument ;) | 17:33 |
| DarkwingDuck | Quintasan: you have a link for that merge request by any chance? | 17:33 |
| mfraz74 | and I still get a warning when I try to setup social desktop with username and password | 17:33 |
| yofel | allee: agreed (thinking of gtk naming for example) | 17:33 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: thanks! | 17:34 |
| yofel | dputting kde-l10n | 17:36 |
| mfraz74 | if I bring up a window and then close it, the icon stays in the task manager | 17:44 |
| === darkwingduck is now known as DarkwingDuck | ||
| mabl | hello, i did an upgrade to from 4.6.5 to 4.7, plasma is now crashing on login. I have no desktop whatsoever. Tracelog http://paste.kde.org/103369/ | 17:54 |
| girl | mabl try logging in to recovery mode and deleting plasma config file | 18:07 |
| mabl | girl, thx - i did that - work | 18:07 |
| girl | You're Welcome | 18:08 |
| girl | mabl: Upgrade feedback please is everything working fine | 18:09 |
| mabl | yes, up to now, everything is great (except that small grid container problem, but i guess that was by an external deb package, can't remember) | 18:10 |
| laksa | i got the same thing here. plasma crash. | 18:10 |
| laksa | how you delete plasma config file? noob here | 18:10 |
| girl | mabl: performance improvements? | 18:10 |
| girl | laksa: boot in recovery mode or at login (kdm) select session type console login | 18:11 |
| mabl | not that i can tell of, but since I have a brand new i7 laptop on intel ssd, i hardly have any performance problems | 18:11 |
| girl | mabl:the type your username and password when prompted | 18:11 |
| girl | then cd to your home folder | 18:12 |
| yofel | laksa: the applet config file is ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc | 18:12 |
| yofel | make a copy of it before deleting it though | 18:12 |
| yofel | (in case it's not the problem) | 18:12 |
| === darkwingduck is now known as DarkwingDuck | ||
| laksa | got it. | 18:12 |
| yofel | mabl: that grouping containment is part of kde-plasma-addons, so not external, but I'm clueless how to even try to reproduce that crash | 18:13 |
| DarkwingDuck | ScottK: ping | 18:13 |
| girl | yofel: Maybe it comes when a specific plasmoid is present and active? | 18:14 |
| ScottK | DarkwingDuck: Pong | 18:14 |
| girl | some plasmoids tend to cause plasma to crash after upgrade | 18:14 |
| ScottK | The issue with upgrade failures and plasma-config needs to be reported upstream. | 18:14 |
| mabl | yofel, when i deleted the plasma-desktop-appletsrc, all plasmoids where reset. I now only activated the grid desktop, and got the crash again | 18:15 |
| yofel | grid desktop, let's see | 18:15 |
| girl | Will try to reproduce when mine installs: slow internet package here only 1 Mbit/s | 18:16 |
| yofel | ok, that is trivial to reproduce | 18:16 |
| laksa | after delete plasma config it work. | 18:20 |
| girl | laksa: Glad to here it | 18:20 |
| mabl | my brother also just tried it, it also crashes | 18:21 |
| yofel | there are reports already | 18:23 |
| yofel | kde bug 278222 , kde bug 278725 for example | 18:23 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 278222 in general "Plasma-desktop crashes when selecting the "Grid Desktop" containment" [Crash,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278222 | 18:23 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 278725 in general "grouping and grid desktop are crashing plasma" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278725 | 18:23 |
| * yofel adds some votes | 18:25 | |
| yofel | great, system-config-printer-kde broken | 18:50 |
| yofel | or rather the python bindings | 18:50 |
| yofel | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/76243052/xsession-errors | 18:50 |
| debfx | yofel: see http://bugs.debian.org/634860 | 18:51 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 634860 in python-qt4 "Please switch python-qt4 to dh_python2" [Serious,Open] | 18:51 |
| yofel | ouch | 18:52 |
| ScottK | Working on it. | 18:52 |
| debfx | we could replace the kcm with a link to http://localhost:631/ ;) | 18:53 |
| yofel | I'll try to force-downgrade pykde to 4.6.5 then for now | 18:54 |
| Quintasan | DarkwingDuck: One moment | 18:55 |
| yofel | kdebindings-4.6.5.orig.tar.bz2 *headdesk* | 18:56 |
| Quintasan | >"Please switch python-qt4 to dh_python2" | 18:56 |
| Quintasan | >dh_python2 | 18:56 |
| Quintasan | WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? | 18:57 |
| Quintasan | DarkwingDuck: https://code.launchpad.net/~quintasan/kubuntu-docs/bug804244/+merge/67796 | 18:57 |
| yofel | because everything else is deprecated | 18:57 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 67796 in firefox (Ubuntu) "[EDGY] firefox crashed [@pthread_mutex_lock] [@Flash_EnforceLocalSecurity] (dup-of: 69931)" [High,Incomplete] | 18:57 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 69931 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) "MASTER firefox crash [@NP_Shutdown] [@Flash_EnforceLocalSecurity] -- libflashplayer.so" [Medium,Triaged] | 18:57 |
| * yofel throws everything except pykde out of kdebindings control | 19:00 | |
| ScottK | yofel: pykde is it's own source package now. What are you doing? | 19:03 |
| yofel | trying to downgrade it, which means using old kdebindings | 19:03 |
| ScottK | Oh. | 19:04 |
| yofel | OR I try to patch the old packaging into new pykde4... | 19:04 |
| DarkwingDuck | Quintasan: thanks. | 19:13 |
| DarkwingDuck | Quintasan: Approved. Thank you again. | 19:14 |
| LaserJock | so 4.7.0 fixed my gnome-app notification problem | 19:17 |
| LaserJock | I'm a happy camper now | 19:17 |
| ScottK | Great. | 19:49 |
| Girl | KDE 4.7 PPA installation with muon ... seems to have stalled at 40% installing says running dpkg | 19:56 |
| Jonno | Are there any particular reason plasma-wallpapers-addons in oneiric must depend on kde-wallpapers and kdewallpapers? | 20:02 |
| Jonno | I mean, it contains plugins that I would use *instead* of the regular wallpapers provided by kde-wallpapers and kdewallpapers... | 20:02 |
| * yofel does one last proofreading of his wiki page | 20:24 | |
| julianrabe | hi | 20:25 |
| julianrabe | i'd like to set up my own .deb-repository | 20:25 |
| julianrabe | and everything works fine expect the gpg-signing | 20:25 |
| julianrabe | *except | 20:26 |
| ScottK | Not really a Kubuntu specific topic. | 20:26 |
| julianrabe | ok, so where sjulianrabe: should i go then? i already asked #debian and #kubuntu, last one sent me here | 20:27 |
| ScottK | It's a general support question, so #ubuntu is the right IRC channel, but honestly you're unlikely to get much help there. For something like that, docs on wiki.ubuntu.com or help.ubuntu.com are your best bet. | 20:28 |
| julianrabe | ok, ill go there, thanks | 20:29 |
| JontheEchidna | Jonno: The weather wallpaper plugin uses wallpapers from those packages | 20:42 |
| shadeslayer | jtechidna: i've sent you a request on tf2 | 20:52 |
| yofel | folks, meeting in 8mins, no tf2 | 20:52 |
| jtechidna | just rebooted into linux | 20:52 |
| jtechidna | :P | 20:52 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: same here ;) | 20:53 |
| shadeslayer | oh kewl! meeting time | 20:53 |
| * yofel gets this feeling of impending doom | 20:53 | |
| debfx | yofel: can't we hold the meeting in tf2? | 20:53 |
| yofel | LOL | 20:53 |
| yofel | since I never had time to set it up yet, probably not ^^ | 20:54 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 20:55 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: btw whats you steam id? i tried debfx and it didn't find anything :P | 20:55 |
| yofel | Quintasan, Riddell, apachelogger_, ScottK, claydoh: dev meeting in 5 mins | 20:55 |
| ScottK | yofel: Where's your wiki page | 20:55 |
| yofel | ah, apachelogger_ said he'll be absent | 20:55 |
| yofel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PhilipMuskovac/KubuntuDevApplication | 20:55 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 20:55 |
| shadeslayer | where be the meeting? | 20:56 |
| yofel | not sure if -meeting is free, can we do it here? | 20:57 |
| JontheEchidna | shouldn't be a problem | 20:58 |
| yofel | it's quiet anyway | 20:58 |
| === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | kubuntu-dev meeting today here at 09:00 PM UTC | 4.7.0 Packaging: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html | ||
| === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | kubuntu-dev meeting today here at 09:00 PM UTC (Now) | 4.7.0 Packaging: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html | ||
| JontheEchidna | shall we begin, mentlegen? | 21:00 |
| yofel | sure, who's there? | 21:00 |
| yofel | o/ | 21:00 |
| Quintasan | \o | 21:01 |
| JontheEchidna | DarkwingDuck: council ping | 21:01 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: council ping | 21:01 |
| debfx | o/ | 21:01 |
| debfx | JontheEchidna: it's not a council meeting | 21:01 |
| ScottK | \o | 21:01 |
| shadeslayer | \o | 21:01 |
| ScottK | DarkwingDuck told me he'd be away this afternoon anyway. | 21:02 |
| shadeslayer | iirc likewise for apachelogger_ | 21:02 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| ScottK | debfx: Ping | 21:02 |
| ScottK | Oops | 21:02 |
| ScottK | Nevermind | 21:02 |
| JontheEchidna | heh | 21:03 |
| ScottK | NCommander: kubuntu-dev meeting | 21:03 |
| valorie | o/ | 21:03 |
| valorie | just a member, looking on | 21:03 |
| yofel_ | great timing *-.- | 21:03 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| Quintasan | Yeah, your Quassel Core never ceases to amaze me | 21:03 |
| Quintasan | Disconnecting at most inappropriate time. | 21:03 |
| ScottK | How about Riddell? | 21:03 |
| Quintasan | And we need quorum... | 21:04 |
| ScottK | Quorum is 3. | 21:04 |
| Quintasan | Oh wait. | 21:04 |
| yofel | seems like that's it looking at the people present | 21:05 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 21:05 |
| ScottK | "majority of those present and at least 3)" | 21:05 |
| JontheEchidna | if quorum isn't met by meeting's end we'll do the rest of the vote by ML | 21:05 |
| ScottK | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDevelopers#Applying_for_kubuntu-dev_membership | 21:06 |
| shadeslayer | btw i just completed a full upgrade to 4.7 ;) | 21:06 |
| Quintasan | Wait debfx isn't here? | 21:06 |
| ScottK | He is. | 21:06 |
| Quintasan | Oh I see | 21:06 |
| yofel | he is, so we have 4 (If I'm awake enough to count) | 21:06 |
| ScottK | We have JontheEchidna, debfx, Quintasan, and me at least. | 21:06 |
| debfx | i'm here (in tf2) | 21:06 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 21:06 |
| yofel | interesting definition of "here" | 21:06 |
| Quintasan | :D | 21:07 |
| yofel | anyway, anything left to do before I start? | 21:07 |
| ScottK | No. | 21:07 |
| yofel | OK | 21:07 |
| Quintasan | Let the grilling commence | 21:07 |
| yofel | Then here goes... | 21:07 |
| yofel | As most of you should know, I'm Philip Muskovac, 24 and hereby apply for Kubuntu Dev membership | 21:08 |
| yofel | My application can be found on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PhilipMuskovac/KubuntuDevApplication | 21:08 |
| ScottK | yofel: What's the worst packaging mistake you made that got into the archive? | 21:09 |
| yofel | can't quite remember any major one, since every work from me has been rechecked, worst would probably be that I forgot to recheck the Python bindings for 4.7 today | 21:11 |
| yofel | as they are pretty much unusable | 21:11 |
| ScottK | What happened as a result? | 21:11 |
| yofel | about 3 bug reports about the issue so far | 21:11 |
| ScottK | What have you done to fix it? | 21:11 |
| yofel | I've tested if the old python-kde4 package fixes the issue and decided to downgrade it, the build is still pending | 21:12 |
| * Quintasan considers asking the default question | 21:12 | |
| ScottK | yofel: Is this in a PPA? | 21:13 |
| yofel | ScottK: yes, the backports one | 21:13 |
| Quintasan | yofel: What are symbol files and why do we maintain them? | 21:13 |
| yofel | symbol files keep track of when in the package history a symbol was added to the library. When a new library is missing a symbol it will be shown and can then be investigated if it's private or not | 21:15 |
| yofel | if not it's a BIC and the library needs an SOVERSION bump | 21:15 |
| * Quintasan thinks of Qt 4.5.1 | 21:16 | |
| JontheEchidna | how would you handle such a bump in packaging? | 21:16 |
| yofel | also, the help dpkg-shlibdeps in deciding what the minimum version of the library is that an application that uses it needs to depend on | 21:16 |
| ScottK | yofel: What are seeds and what do we use them for? | 21:16 |
| debfx | yofel: and what happens when the version of the symbols are wrong (e.g. missing epoch or a typo)? | 21:16 |
| yofel | JontheEchidna: now that we have the DebianABIManager, I would increase the X-Debian-ABI of the library which would manually increase the so version if upstream didn't bump it | 21:17 |
| yofel | debfx: I fear I didn't look that case up... | 21:17 |
| yofel | ScottK: seeds decide what ends up on the CD and DVD images which differs a bit from what the meta packages will pull in for the system (like adding filesystem tools or ubiquity to the disk) | 21:18 |
| ScottK | So if you decide you want to change what's on the CD, how to you go about it? | 21:19 |
| Quintasan | yofel: How do we handle overwrites and how do we replace packages? | 21:20 |
| yofel | ScottK: I'm not quite sure actually, as I never touched the seeds yet, I know we have branches in ubuntu-seeds with the image specifications about it, but not quite how to edit them | 21:21 |
| ScottK | yofel: OK. We can talk about the mechanics later. | 21:22 |
| yofel | Quintasan: when a package replaces files in another package the new package needs to Break/Replace the other package with the appropriate version | 21:22 |
| ScottK | yofel: Why not Conflicts/Replaces? | 21:22 |
| yofel | That was used before, the current debian policy requires the use of Breaks/Replaces | 21:23 |
| ScottK | When can you drop old Breaks or Conflicts/Replaces? | 21:23 |
| yofel | when every release that needs them has been released, well bad said. The breaks replaces need to be cared about for LTS->LTS upgrades and upgrades between releases. | 21:25 |
| yofel | or... when there is no supported upgrade way from the old package to the new one | 21:26 |
| ScottK | OK. Thanks. | 21:26 |
| ScottK | When do packages end up in New? | 21:28 |
| yofel | when that (source or binary) package has no previous version in the archive | 21:28 |
| debfx | yofel: what do you need to do after you've uploaded a package that contained an SONAME bump? | 21:28 |
| Quintasan | yofel: What do we do when upstream doesnt ship license copies or ships non-free stuff inside tarball? | 21:29 |
| shadeslayer | beat them up | 21:29 |
| shadeslayer | :p | 21:29 |
| Quintasan | lol | 21:29 |
| yofel | debfx: investigate if any of the rdepends need to be rebuilt against the new package, mostly to reduce space since both libraries should be installable at the same time | 21:29 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: You are next | 21:29 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: sure, but i don't consider myself ready yet :( | 21:30 |
| shadeslayer | anyways, it's yofel first | 21:30 |
| yofel | Quintasan: go talk to them about the licensing and tell them what's missing, we can't upload anything to the archive that doesn't meet the licensing requirements of the policy | 21:30 |
| Quintasan | yofel: What do you think about recent proposal to move our packaging branches to alioth? | 21:32 |
| debfx | yofel: how do you ensure that the library packages are coinstallable? | 21:32 |
| * Quintasan notes that isn't really a dev question but he is interested | 21:32 | |
| yofel | hm... it would make collaboration with the debian-qt-kde team easier, but at least the qt packaging needs to stay since we're not the only ones maintaining that now | 21:33 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: when did that happen? 0.0 | 21:34 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: It didn't happen. It's been discussused. | 21:34 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: It didn't, I can't remember who but someone brought this up and I though it's fairly interesting | 21:34 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: yeah, but where? | 21:34 |
| ScottK | Here. | 21:34 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: ofcourse it is, we get to use git! :D | 21:34 |
| yofel | debfx: the package needs to have the new library so version in the package name so it has a different name, and mustn't have any files that the other package has as well. For the libraries that's not much of a problem since they'll have the so version in the file name | 21:34 |
| yofel | iirc someone of the debian folks asked why we don't use git and the talk ended up in why we don't move to alioth | 21:35 |
| * Quintasan likes that idea | 21:35 | |
| * shadeslayer will check logs later then | 21:35 | |
| yofel | shadeslayer: the #debian-qt-kde ones IIRC | 21:36 |
| Riddell | hi, I guess missed the meeting | 21:37 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Hi, we're still grilling yofel | 21:37 |
| yofel | Riddell: I'm in the middle of being grilled ~.~ | 21:37 |
| debfx | yofel: yep, so data files or plugins need to be in a different package | 21:37 |
| * Quintasan adds some spices | 21:37 | |
| yofel | debfx: right, libname-data for arch-indep files, and -bin or -plugins for the other binary files | 21:38 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Do you have any questions? | 21:39 |
| Riddell | yofel: what attracted you into kubuntu development? | 21:41 |
| * Quintasan notes this is all-or-nothing type of question | 21:42 | |
| Quintasan | ^_^ | 21:42 |
| yofel | Quintasan: you're not making it easier you know | 21:43 |
| Riddell | yofel: what is a SRU and what qualifies to have one done? | 21:45 |
| yofel | Riddell: need to think back again, I've been a linux fan shortly since I started using it and the people here were pretty fun to watch even before I started contributing to kubuntu while I was still more in the ubuntu bugsquad. Since I wanted to learn how to package and wanted to give something back to my favorite desktop environment I decided to take the simple jobs that were suggested and have been enjoying myself a lot since then | 21:45 |
| Riddell | good answer :) | 21:46 |
| ScottK | yofel: How does the prospect of effectively having root access to every Kubuntu user's machine feel? | 21:46 |
| ScottK | (there's an "easy" one) | 21:46 |
| yofel | Riddell: SRU stands for Stable Release Update, and is the process of getting a bug fixed in an already released release during it's support timeframe. The bugs that qualify for it are serious issues like crashes, they need to have a minimal patch that only fixes that issue or are obviously safe | 21:48 |
| yofel | (I probably forgot something...) | 21:48 |
| yofel | ScottK: scary to be fully honest ^^ | 21:48 |
| ScottK | yofel: Good. | 21:48 |
| ScottK | If it didn't I'd be worried. | 21:48 |
| Riddell | yofel: are you going to come to UDS? | 21:48 |
| yofel | Probably not, my educational plans don't have any free time during the UDS times at least for the next year, or at least for the UDS-P one, need to check my free times again once the date for UDS-Q is out | 21:50 |
| yofel | if anything I'll be at DS now | 21:50 |
| JontheEchidna | I feel ya. I'm only able to attend the summer UDS's as well | 21:50 |
| Riddell | yofel gets a +1 from me for good knowledge and a keen contributor | 21:50 |
| JontheEchidna | +1 | 21:51 |
| ScottK | +1 from me too. | 21:51 |
| debfx | +1 | 21:51 |
| ScottK | debfx and Quintasan: ? | 21:51 |
| Quintasan | +1 He's doing magic in Project Neon as well | 21:51 |
| Quintasan | Python magic at that | 21:51 |
| ScottK | Is that everyone present? | 21:52 |
| Quintasan | Looks like it | 21:52 |
| ScottK | yofel: Congratulations. | 21:52 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Would you please add him to kubuntu-dev? | 21:52 |
| yofel | Note: I feel like jelly | 21:52 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: congrats!!! :D | 21:53 |
| yofel | THANKS! | 21:53 |
| Quintasan | yofel: In case you ever wondered what happens when grilling goes the wrong way -> http://i.imgur.com/qfQw1.jpg | 21:53 |
| micahg | yofel: congrats! | 21:53 |
| debfx | yofel: congrats! :) | 21:53 |
| Quintasan | kubotu: order cookies for yofel | 21:53 |
| * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to yofel. | 21:53 | |
| yofel | Quintasan: ROFL | 21:53 |
| JontheEchidna | yofel: normal, should wear off after a bit :P | 21:53 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 21:53 |
| ScottK | yofel: Don't forget: just because you can upload it, doesn't mean you should. You can(and should) still ask questions. | 21:53 |
| laksa | yofel: congrats! | 21:53 |
| Riddell | done, welcome in | 21:53 |
| Quintasan | yofel: Board the Kubuntu Warship! | 21:53 |
| * yofel hugs debfx, JontheEchidna, Riddell, ScottK, micahg, laksa, Quintasan, shadeslayer and the rest | 21:53 | |
| shadeslayer | i thought we had a spaceship | 21:53 |
| yofel | ScottK: sure, ping me when there's something to change in the seeds so I know how to do it | 21:54 |
| Quintasan | yofel: Embrace the "jelly like feeling" with your whole jelliness | 21:54 |
| yofel | lol | 21:54 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: go install tf2 and shoot some people xD | 21:54 |
| * Quintasan would like to chaging seeds as well | 21:54 | |
| Quintasan | apachelogger_: Can I demand ~omnomnom trigger in kubotu? | 21:55 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: I think warship is cooler since we are pirates working on arrrrrm | 21:55 |
| Quintasan | and we apparently need rrrrrum | 21:55 |
| ScottK | You can demand anything Quintasan. | 21:55 |
| ScottK | Demanding and getting aren't at all the same thing. | 21:55 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: True. | 21:55 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: true that | 21:56 |
| * ScottK does mail. | 21:56 | |
| Quintasan | apachelogger_: Can I *get* ~omnomnom trigger? | 21:56 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: So yeah, when there is something to be done in seeds ping yofel or me | 21:56 |
| valorie | congratulations, yofel | 21:57 |
| Quintasan | Oh while we are at it. Do we want telepathy-kde 0.1 in oneiric? | 21:57 |
| Quintasan | >adridg: update to ! kde 4.7.0 in # kubuntu 11.04 hung at 66% done [80013372] | 21:57 |
| yofel | Quintasan: people have asked about telepathy (today even) | 21:57 |
| yofel | valorie: thanks :) | 21:57 |
| Quintasan | yofel: Really? I'll upload to PPA for now | 21:58 |
| yofel | Quintasan: you should sometimes read #kubuntu :P | 21:59 |
| Quintasan | Indeed. | 21:59 |
| micahg | ScottK: don't you need to copy devel-permissions on that e-mail as well? | 22:02 |
| ScottK | micahg: I've no idea. Feel free to forward it. | 22:02 |
| micahg | interesting, it's part of the desktop team's policy, but not kubuntu's | 22:04 |
| [ade] | Quintasan: i suppose identi.ca to IRC forwarding works :) | 22:07 |
| Quintasan | [ade]: :) So what's exactly going on? Is it still 66%? What's the package on which it "hangs"? | 22:07 |
| yofel | did you have a connection loss? | 22:08 |
| [ade] | i upgraded 10.04 to 10.10 and then to 11.04 today, then added ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports to the repositories, selected all updates, hit apply. it got to installing packages after downloading everything, and now sits there at 66%. | 22:09 |
| [ade] | details shows me -- right now -- only a single entry for libkprintutils4. | 22:09 |
| [ade] | earlier there was a long list there w/ some installed, some ready packages. | 22:10 |
| [ade] | yofel: not that i know of; kpackagekit seemed to download everything just fine. | 22:11 |
| yofel | :/ | 22:11 |
| yofel | didn't we have some debconf issues before? or was that fixed? | 22:11 |
| Quintasan | Hmm | 22:13 |
| yofel | [ade]: if you open a konsole, does 'ps auxw | grep deb' print something? or what does 'ps auxw | grep dpkg' print except the grep line? | 22:13 |
| Quintasan | 4.7.0 is in backports? | 22:13 |
| yofel | it is | 22:13 |
| [ade] | yofel: /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 51 --configure <many packages snipped> | 22:14 |
| yofel | that's about right... | 22:14 |
| yofel | [ade]: what do you get if you run 'sudo strace -p $(pidof dpkg)' ? | 22:15 |
| shadeslayer | http://i.imgur.com/0hlie.png \O/ | 22:16 |
| yofel | why do you have a frame in that form o.O? | 22:16 |
| [ade] | yoful: hunh, outputs 'write(1, "\n", 1' which seems like a perfectly sensible write | 22:17 |
| [ade] | i'd kill it and try again from a text login, but i'm afraid of leaving the machine in an intermediate state and being unable to log back in | 22:17 |
| JontheEchidna | you're using kpackagekit you say? | 22:18 |
| [ade] | jon: yes | 22:18 |
| yofel | it tries to write to a non-existing terminal and hangs itself up? | 22:18 |
| yofel | or I'm confused | 22:18 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, I'd be interested to know what apt has to say about what it's doing at the moment, but I don't know if kpackagekit displays that | 22:19 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: its a app to view plasmoids | 22:19 |
| shadeslayer | just testing out mine right now | 22:19 |
| JontheEchidna | if it's doing post-install trigger processing, then it should be safe to kill and do a dpkg --configure -a | 22:19 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: ah, then it looks nice :) | 22:19 |
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| shadeslayer | well, i just need to re parent this mouse area to the right component and then i'll have a highlight like the one device notifier has | 22:20 |
| JontheEchidna | yofel: in my past experience, scripts that can't access a pty via an fd usually exit with a failure code rather than hanging. That doesn't mean things couldn't have changed, though | 22:20 |
| JontheEchidna | well, not necessarily a pty, but a file descriptor at any rate | 22:21 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: can you sent an email to quintasan@kubuntu.org? | 22:21 |
| yofel | would be my guess too usually... | 22:22 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: check yer mail | 22:22 |
| JontheEchidna | yofel: seems to remind me of this somehow: bug 680328 | 22:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 680328 in qapt (Ubuntu Maverick) "Many postinst scripts fail using either PackageKit, or QApt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680328 | 22:23 |
| yofel | heh | 22:23 |
| JontheEchidna | but in that case the strace was showing an error for the write | 22:23 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: ever used QML? | 22:24 |
| JontheEchidna | shadeslayer: nope | 22:24 |
| shadeslayer | bah :( | 22:24 |
| charlie-tca | Congratulations, yofel | 22:24 |
| yofel | thanks charlie-tca :) | 22:25 |
| JontheEchidna | yofel: cjwatson might know what could be wrong | 22:26 |
| [ade] | JontheEchidna: killed it, killed kpackagekit, switched to text console. dpkg --configure -a was quick, apt-get update ok, apt-get upgrade fails when upgrading python-kde4 with unable to lock /var/cache/apt/archives | 22:26 |
| yofel | !aptlock | 22:26 |
| ubottu | If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a » | 22:26 |
| yofel | hm, wrong lock file, but should work too | 22:26 |
| yofel | *the same | 22:27 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: lol ... Alioth can be sucky and wemesird someti | 22:28 |
| shadeslayer | wth | 22:28 |
| [ade] | yofel: killing zombie dpkg and packagekitd processes does the trick to unlock the dir as well | 22:28 |
| yofel | ah | 22:28 |
| shadeslayer | *and weird sometimes | 22:28 |
| [ade] | anyway, looks to go well now. thanks. | 22:28 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, packagekitd is what holds the lock | 22:28 |
| * yofel only used alioth a few times to report bash completion bugs | 22:29 | |
| yofel | and that was months ago | 22:29 |
| shadeslayer | i've used alioth once to get a package uploaded | 22:29 |
| shadeslayer | i bet i have instructions on how to do that stored away on google docs | 22:29 |
| * yofel tries to figure out what's wrong with digikam and marble | 22:31 | |
| shadeslayer | i think i need to play another 2 hours of tf2 to figure out how to solve this problem | 22:32 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 22:33 |
| shadeslayer | idk why, but after playing 2 hours of tf2 my productivity increased ^^ | 22:33 |
| Daskreech | anyone would have an idea why qdbus would be looking in //bin/dbus-launch instead of /usr/bin/dbus-launch ? | 22:39 |
| Daskreech | yay | 22:39 |
| * Daskreech hugs Riddell | 22:40 | |
| === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | 4.7.0 Packaging: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html | ||
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | 4.7.0 Packaging: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html | Congratulations yoful | ||
| Quintasan | :D | 22:41 |
| * Quintasan throws Konfetti at yofel | 22:41 | |
| yofel | :D | 22:41 |
| ScottK | yofel: There's still 4.7.0 stuff needs uploading, IIRC. | 22:41 |
| Quintasan | https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa/+packages | 22:42 |
| Quintasan | I see the magic incoming | 22:42 |
| Quintasan | valorie: Do we have some identi.ca denting force available? | 22:42 |
| yofel | I know, but I'll probably start with kdevlop stuff, that has been lying around longer and I want to announce that tomorrow (+ it's a point release so should be fairly simple) | 22:42 |
| valorie | hmmmm | 22:43 |
| valorie | I will dent, but I don't know about a @kubuntu account | 22:43 |
| valorie | maybe DarkwingDuck or Riddell has one? | 22:43 |
| Daskreech | yoful? | 22:43 |
| yofel | @kubuntu ... what? | 22:43 |
| valorie | identi.ca/kubuntu | 22:43 |
| yofel | ah, not sure who owns that one | 22:44 |
| Quintasan | fair enough, When I'm done I will post Telepathy KDE PPA announcement and I'd like people to redent it | 22:44 |
| valorie | haz we? | 22:44 |
| Daskreech | Where does qdbus keep it's knowledge of dbus ? | 22:44 |
| Quintasan | Daskreech: Maybe it's hardcoded? | 22:44 |
| Riddell | valorie: you want the kubuntu login? | 22:44 |
| Daskreech | Quintasan: That's what I would have thought | 22:44 |
| yofel | Quintasan: then it shouldn't break that badly (and not only for that user, see #kubuntu) | 22:44 |
| Daskreech | qdbus is erroring out with Could not connect to D-Bus server: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: //bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed | 22:45 |
| Daskreech | the //bin/dbus-launch seems suspect | 22:45 |
| Daskreech | but I can't imagine sticking $usr as a variable | 22:45 |
| valorie | eh, that's nice of you to ask | 22:45 |
| valorie | my denting is so.... episodic | 22:45 |
| Riddell | or yofel wants the kubuntu identica login? | 22:46 |
| yofel | I already almost never dent using mine ^^ | 22:46 |
| Quintasan | Do we have someone even remotely responsible for PR? | 22:47 |
| Daskreech | Do we ever? | 22:47 |
| yofel | well, me, somewhat, since I'm doing the kubuntu.org stuff | 22:48 |
| yofel | other than that, apachelogger | 22:48 |
| JontheEchidna | check out the location I found for my new house in minecraft: http://i.imgur.com/zii9T.jpg | 22:51 |
| yofel | nice one, esp. with the roof ^^ | 22:52 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: >implying you haven't already built Konqui The Dragon | 22:52 |
| valorie | Riddell: I will try to systemitize my promo activities, and will ask you for the info then | 22:52 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: http://i.imgur.com/qfQw1.jpg <-- that's gonna happen when you don't have one :P | 22:52 |
| JontheEchidna | ^^ | 22:53 |
| JontheEchidna | that way creepers can't kamikazee me in the mornings | 22:53 |
| valorie | twitter was really useful at OSCON | 22:53 |
| Quintasan | valorie: Would be Kool to have official Kubuntu dents | 22:53 |
| valorie | I need to look at how lydia organizes her stuff - she's very efficient at getting all her stuff updated | 22:54 |
| yofel | JontheEchidna: they can be failry enthusiastic though http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/2011-07-11_19.27.48.png | 22:55 |
| JontheEchidna | hehe | 22:55 |
| JontheEchidna | chunk error, I can see underground: http://i.imgur.com/0XNwm.png | 22:58 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna ... going where no other kubuntu dev has gone before | 22:59 |
| shadeslayer | also, its java, thats to be expected :P | 22:59 |
| yofel | that happened when I was in a really tight space once but got a sapling to grow around me with bonemeal ^^ | 23:05 |
| shadeslayer | i'm off to sleep | 23:23 |
| shadeslayer | night | 23:23 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: oh oh, whats your steam id? | 23:23 |
| JontheEchidna | interesting placement for a lava pool: http://i.imgur.com/drtjK.png | 23:23 |
| JontheEchidna | pool | 23:28 |
| JontheEchidna | ba, stupid apostrophe being next to enter | 23:29 |
| JontheEchidna | pool's a bit crowded: http://i.imgur.com/9Ql74.png | 23:29 |
| Daskreech | incoming :) | 23:37 |
| jmichaelx | i am noticing a handful of problems in kde4.7... one problem is that in kickoff, once you switch to the office menu, or system menu, you cannot switch back to go to another | 23:42 |
| ScottK | Sounds like a bug that should be reported upstream. | 23:48 |
| JontheEchidna | iirc they removed the back button and have a breadcrumb at the top to use for navigation | 23:48 |
| jmichaelx | possibly... how can one ever tell whether or not the problem is upstream or in kubuntu packaging | 23:48 |
| jmichaelx | ok, i was not aware of the breadcrumb | 23:49 |
| jmichaelx | ok, the "breadcrumb" works, although why in the world that would be thought to be an improvement i don't know | 23:51 |
| yofel | if you're in the 2nd subfolder you can go directly to the toplevel. That's the only thing I can think of | 23:52 |
| JontheEchidna | (rebooted for 4.7) | 23:53 |
| jmichaelx | i will also ask this in here before reporting a bug, but since upgrading to 4.7, XBMC will not start. i just get a black screen. i am using propietary nvidia drivers.... is this likely something that should be reported to kde? | 23:53 |
| jmichaelx | (i need to view these KDE upgrades with much more trepidation than i have, so often as many things get broken as get fixed) | 23:55 |
| jmichaelx | oh well, overall things are looking really good, so many thanks to all who worked so hard on this! | 23:56 |
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