[00:50] Quintasan: Pong [00:51] * ScottK will try to look at New as well. [03:50] anybody happen to know why i would be getting old nasty gnome notifications in KDE instead of in the KDE notification thingy? [03:50] well, I guess I should say, in addition to the the KDE notifications [04:26] LaserJock: Because you have notify-osd installed and it's not behaving politely? [04:27] ScottK: hmm, well that's not good :-) [04:27] No. It's not. [04:27] Wait, you said old Gnome notifications ... [04:28] So notify-osd/libnotify [04:30] it's the old pre-notify-osd notifications, the yellow boxes [04:32] I'm having kde autostart gnome-setting-daemon for some other stuff, I would have thought that might have helped [04:35] grepping the ps output for notify just gives me knotify4, should a notify-osd process be running? [04:59] ScottK: so do GNOME apps have notifications in KDE if notify-osd is uninstalled? [05:00] so far I'm just using pidgin and xchat so I don't know if it's something specific to the messaging indicator [05:13] LaserJock: try grepping for notif [05:16] kde 4.7 for natty packages ready? [05:19] micahg: I get knotify4 and notification-daemon [05:19] I'm guessing notification-daemon could be providing the nasty yellow bubbles? [05:19] LaserJock: right :) [05:19] Anyone know shen to expect kde 4.7 packages? [05:19] edit when [05:20] hmm, so I need to figure out why it's starting up notification-daemon, I wonder if that's because I'm using GDM [05:21] probably, notify-osd provides notification-daemon [05:21] I found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1767740 which says it happens when kwin crashes [05:21] micahg: thanks, I try switching to KDM for a while and see if that works [05:21] oh, gdm w/KDE? [05:21] yeah [05:22] LaserJock: do you have something that needs notification-daemon? [05:22] I have ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed and GDM [05:22] pidgin and xchat [05:22] LaserJock: on oneiric? [05:22] no, natty [05:23] ah [05:23] in oneiric, plasma-widgets-workspace provides it [05:25] hmm, doesn't seem like it does in natty [05:25] nope [05:26] you think oneiric's version would be installable on natty? [05:28] idk, but probably could qualify for an SRU if someone wants to drive it [05:43] micahg: should be doable, that was a regression IIRC [05:43] morning [06:09] Good morning [06:09] * Quintasan goes to fix nm [06:09] yofel: You fixed that? [06:09] Thanks. [06:09] I dumped the patch [06:09] I woke up and thought about the same thing. [06:10] changelog said it was a cherry-pick anyway [06:10] * Quintasan goes to test upgrade now [06:10] * Quintasan grabs a Dr. Pepper as well [06:10] kubotu: order Dr. Pepper for Quintasan [06:10] * kubotu slides dr. pepper down the bar to Quintasan [06:12] Is there a PolicyKit KDE GSoC project? [06:12] * Quintasan can never stop grumbling about that [06:13] how would that look like? "Project: convert polkit from a PITA to something usable" ? [06:14] Yes [06:14] yofel: Now it (NM) works [06:14] yay [06:16] Somebody should get a release announcement [06:16] I've started with it, but I've only got a few mins left, after that I'll be at home in probably 4-5h [06:16] do some more testing till then [06:17] I'm testing [06:17] Gotta do some more stuff like KMail [06:23] Hmm, KMail2 even works now [06:23] :D [06:31] yeah, seems so (was surprised too) [06:32] I removed pim from ninjas so that doesn't get copied by mistake, the packages for experimental are in staging right now [06:33] I'm gone for now then, happy testing [07:15] morning [07:15] question: where is kde-workspace-data ? [07:15] (4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2) [07:16] I've accidently removed kde-workspace-bin and kde-window-manager (I am an idiot), and I cannot install kde-workspace-bin 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2 because kde-workspace-data 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2 is missing [07:28] bambee: an archive admin needs to accept it [07:40] debfx: don't worry, I am forcing the install with dpkg [07:41] kde-workspace-bin 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1 depends on kde-workspace-data 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2 => It's just a revision bump, it should work [07:41] (until it's fixed correctly) === kalyan is now known as kallu [07:44] exit [07:51] debfx: problem solved [07:59] yofel: did we find a solution for the meeting, finally? [08:02] see ML, the meeting is today [08:05] arf :'( [08:05] so I need to schedule another one after DS [08:05] just schedule a new one, DS starts next friday, so plenty of time [08:05] ok [08:06] * yofel does another dep check on PIM [08:14] works fine too [08:14] bbl === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [09:28] hm, plasma-widget-quickaccess is being removed here [09:28] * yofel goes rebuilding [09:33] fancytasks rebuilt too [09:37] Heya [09:37] is 4.7 building for natty? :) [09:43] sheytan: It is built, we are testing [09:43] Quintasan great :) [09:45] yofel: Are we having a kubuntu-dev meeting today or not? [09:45] I did send a mail that we're having one [09:45] any wiki page I need to update? [09:46] the procedure doesn't say so === debfx changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | kubuntu-dev meeting today at 09:00 PM UTC | 4.7.0 Packaging: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html [09:59] good idea === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [10:00] 2100 UTC that is? [10:00] yes [10:04] well, I am busy for the weekend. I am back sunday in the evening [10:06] ok, now let's try to install full 4.7 on natty [10:25] are 4.7 packages out yet? [10:26] nope [10:26] bah, kde-icons-mono failed [10:27] dependancy problems? OpenSuse and fedora seem to have had packages for ages? [10:27] no, overwrite error (file conflict with the 4.6.5 packages) [10:28] and they a) do the packaging differently b) have a larger team I think [10:28] hmm maybe a different ppa for 4.7 then would work [10:29] linuxrocks: the packages are done, there simply wasn't enough testing yet [10:29] apachelogger: the split tarballs use a desktop__ scheme for the gettext domain, so we are currently not importing any upstream translations for those [10:29] as my failure just now shows pretty well [10:29] ok [10:31] Maybe packaging a release like 4.7.1 for release will be easier as quirks would already be sorted out in the .0 release [10:31] oh, 4.7.0 was already much easier than 4.6.90, 4.7.1 will be trivial [10:32] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdeartwork] Philip Muškovac * 117 * debian/ (changelog control) Bump breaks/replaces on kmouth to catch 4.6.5 packages [10:32] as long as someone writes scripts [10:32] on my TODO list [10:33] hm, might as well use the blueprint [10:35] apachelogger: I do wonder why we don't just leave the desktop files as they are [10:35] we constantly break the translations for little benefit [10:35] now you know why ScottK and I do not wanna touch that stuff very much [10:38] so what are the reasons for doing that in the first place? [10:41] debfx: we can update translations after release [10:41] also add new translations forcustomers in one single place [10:42] anyone else who wants to do some testing? (esp. the pim stuff in staging) [10:43] oh great, kdm crashed at logout :( [10:47] * yofel wonders why he gets a resolution change between the KDM and ksplash wallpaper [10:48] or rather seems to be different scaling [10:50] apachelogger: we can update translations with the KDE SRU exception [10:52] I'd rather have customers feed translations back to upstream [10:54] debfx: the point of updates past release is also past kde supportance [11:01] yofel: PIM stuff works rather well here [11:01] yofel: I want to use kopypackages [11:01] tell me when to mash the enter button [11:03] apachelogger: I doubt that this is a practical issue, I would want some data on how many translations are updated post kde support [11:07] Quintasan: well, PIM works reasonably enough, and I can't see any dep issues [11:07] so feel free to kopy -a staging to experimental [11:08] yofel: kde-window-manager and kde-workspace* being held back? [11:08] debfx: you should be talking to dpm really [11:08] muntiKubu: that's oneiric? [11:09] yes [11:09] haven't updated yet today, sec [11:12] currently not here, but I've lost track of what package is installed from where @_@ [11:12] dpm: ^ [11:12] * dpm reads scrollback [11:13] apachelogger, debfx: you guys have some time to do natty 4.7 testing? [11:13] yofel: bec of = dep on *0ubuntu1 build. wouldn't it be better if dep >= simce there would be more "0ubuntun+1" build coming? [11:14] yofel: define testing [11:14] no, I believe that dep should be that tight [11:14] also: if it breaks my system my gsoc mentor will come after you [11:14] now that he lives in germany that is a real threat actually [11:14] ah k, well, WFM :P [11:14] just a thought..:( [11:15] yofel: from what ppa? [11:15] debfx, so is the question whether it makes sense to do an SRU of translations? And that you are saying that you'd like upstream stats on which have been updated? I think you can only get the stats from upstream, but in any case, unless it is a huge amount of work, I'd just go for it [11:15] apachelogger: ninjas [11:16] muntiKubu: seems like it's still stuck in NEW [11:16] ScottK: ^ [11:17] also what's that huge empty space in calendar from plasma digital clock on systray? [11:18] dpm: the questions is if we should continue to move the translations of desktop files into gettext/language packs [11:18] it's quite fragile and no one really maintains it [11:19] muntiKubu: seems to have to do with korganizer, if you go to settings -> calendar -> and uncheck "Display events" the space is gone [11:20] * yofel goes finishing the 4.7 announcement [11:20] yofel: thanks.. [11:22] yofel: Copied [11:22] thanks :) [11:26] Quintasan: hm, can you check whether you can add new events in korganizer? [11:27] I can in O, but not in natty [11:29] natty [11:29] hmm [11:29] testin [11:29] ah, I have no default calendar o.O [11:30] no default calendar here too [11:31] akonadi is running though... [11:32] works when I add a default calendar [11:34] ohshi [11:34] bbl [11:36] yofel: install done [11:36] all goody [11:36] * apachelogger does not dare reboot === tazz_ is now known as tazz [11:46] bah, built against wrong assuan btw., fixed [11:50] hm, other than kdepim I can't find any issues though [11:51] how does that mess of software call itself these days in *short* ? Can one still use SC? [12:03] irssi <3 [12:03] yofel: you broke my install [12:04] kde-workspace shite got removed on upgrade, or not installed or something [12:05] why? [12:05] how would I know [12:05] is kubuntu-desktop installed? [12:05] JontheEchidna: if qapt were to implement support for apturl we could get rid of apturl ^^ [12:05] yofel: well, not anymore its not [12:05] then try to install it [12:07] so I did [12:08] does that pull it back in? [12:08] apachelogger: go away! [12:09] yofel: seems me system is back [12:09] network manager seems utterly broken though [12:09] * yofel realizes he didn't test the 4.7 + pim 4.4 combination [12:09] can't detect shit [12:09] Quintasan: and NM works for you? [12:09] apachelogger_: bstd [12:10] my pager is kaput though [12:11] * apachelogger_ breaks his qtcreator while he is at it === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [12:14] * yofel reboots into natty on his notebook [12:36] apachelogger: kde-workspace-bin : Depends: kde-workspace-data (= 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2) but 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed [12:37] that's oneiric and needs ScottK [12:37] apachelogger: this is why workspace, window-manager and kubuntu-desktop get removed [12:38] apachelogger: ... if you use apt-get, that is [12:39] yofel: ^ fix my stuff [12:39] I'll see if I can debug NM in a bit, as for deps nothing's broken here [12:42] yofel: I think the solid parts got moved out of workspace [12:43] so supposedly we just need a newer version of knm [12:43] we *did* use a new snapshot [12:43] that's if Quintasan exported the right hash [12:43] or maybe that broke it then :P [12:43] :/ [12:44] probably, but the old one was broken too [12:44] apachelogger: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2011/07/plasma-nm-bugs-fixed-after-465.html [12:44] bb6e3b82dd23f05df8d875627622195e291b5a6d <- master [12:44] sup [12:45] I'm pretty sure I can copypaste tag just fine [12:50] * Quintasan test 4.7.0 on his machine [12:51] yay, kwin crahs [12:51] hmmm [12:51] true, NM is crap [12:52] yofel: Krusader needs to be fixed [12:52] depends on libkonq5a [12:53] true, was in a hurry before. kmess too [12:53] that should be all of the rdeps then [12:53] yofel: Isn't NM crap no matter what we do? [12:53] well, according to lamarque it *should* work... somehow [12:54] We're experiencing something totally opposite here :S [12:54] Well, I'm off to buy food and additional RAMz [12:54] bbl [12:54] /usr/lib/kde4/solid_networkmanager09.so in oneiric [12:54] now let's find the natty one [12:59] I think I know what happened, need to testbuild kde-workspace [13:22] could someone fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/754942 [13:22] Ubuntu bug 754942 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "The qmltooling/tcpserver plugin is missing" [Undecided,Confirmed] [13:22] * apachelogger cant do debugging! [13:30] *sigh* [13:30] I knew it... [13:30] # list-missing files result: [13:30] -./usr/lib/kde4/solid_networkmanager07.so [13:30] fixing [13:35] kmess and krusader rebuild up too [13:45] kde-wallpapers accepted. [13:46] kde-workspace too [13:51] some proofreading appreciated: http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/47an.png [13:54] yofel: i'd say that either use "Oneiric and Natty" or "11.10 and 11.04" [13:55] and follow that convention everwhere [13:55] That's how jr did it, I prefer 11.04 and 11.10, but 11.10 doesn't exist before october, so oneiric [13:55] looks good otherwise [13:56] yofel: yeah, its a pedantic fix ^_^ [13:56] and, hey everyone :) [13:57] right, hello ^^ [13:58] for some reason i have to boot into recovery and then start kdm, if i boot the stable kernel with the same args, my screen goes black when it tries to start KDM ... [13:59] welcome to everyone's favourite black screen on boot issue [13:59] ScottK: thx!! so only matter of archive update until kubuntu-desktop can installed again. [13:59] known issue? [13:59] i didn't know that [14:00] well, I think it's kms related, pops up in #+1 every now and then [14:00] try nomodeset [14:00] yofel: tried that, and it works with single nomodeset, just using nomodeset doesn't work [14:01] even more fun... [14:03] yofel: btw upgrade still wants to remove kubuntu-desktop [14:03] *now* blame your mirror ^^ (I think) [14:04] nope, i'm using the main archives [14:04] then find out what's broken, I've too many PPAs here... [14:04] yeah will debug in a couple of minutes [14:06] http://paste.kde.org/103267/ << here's something to look at, bbian [14:06] s/bbian/bbiab/ [14:06] shadeslayer meant: "http://paste.kde.org/103267/ << here's something to look at, bbiab" [14:16] yofel: add packages to 'kde pim 4.7 won't be ship ... SC packages ...' kde pim is now officially shippedwith SC, but not our pkgs [14:17] good catch [14:18] now reads "... won't be shipped together with our KDE SC 4.7 packages ..." [14:20] apachelogger: who's the admin of those auto-generated todo pages using the blueprints again? [14:24] shadeslayer: isn't this the kde-workspace{-data,-bin} version mismatch? Try apt-get install kdeworkspace-bin [14:26] yofel: chrisjohnston [14:26] shadeslayer: or apt-cache policy kde-workspace-{bin,data} # still not same version in oneiric [14:26] thanks [14:42] allee: yofel http://paste.kde.org/103285/ [14:42] ok, NM not totally broken anymore [14:43] now I would appreciate it if it would show me some networks... [14:45] aha found the problem [14:45] any ideas what is causing the places panel in dolphin to have a black background? [14:45] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [14:45] kde-workspace-bin : Depends: kde-workspace-data (= 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2) but 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed [14:45] shadeslayer: -data is not available as 0ubuntu2. AFAIU scott approved the missing version so archive should be udated soon [14:46] allee: yeah :) [14:47] apachelogger: NM fixed, you need to logout though [14:47] not again! [14:47] zomg [14:48] well, try it without, but restarting plasma gave me no networks :/ [14:48] course not youd' have to restart kded [14:48] did you refresh the cache ? :P [14:48] oops, true [14:48] oic [14:49] shadeslayer: like did you see my latest outburst of madness? [14:49] apachelogger: no ... should i ? [14:49] of course [14:50] shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/phonon-qml-glslrgb32-speed-experiment.mp4 [14:50] apachelogger: i've be busy poking my shiny plasmoid to connect to my Dataengine [14:51] sounds like porn really [14:51] * yofel has been busy fixing 4.7 [14:52] apachelogger: QML does not like Plamsma dataengines it seems [14:52] qml likes everything [14:52] and here I wanted to do some docs recap for the meeting later -.- [14:52] it is javascript after all [14:53] true, but then why does it not want to read my dataengine? :P [14:53] oh right, I'll likely not be able to make the meeting [14:53] :( [14:53] what's up? [14:54] friend having birthday [14:54] to hell with social obligations I say [14:54] ah, then I'll forgive you ;) [14:54] yofel: I can drop some questions by mail if you want :P [14:54] uh... sure... [14:56] ok... with NM fixed. Any issues that need to be taken care of? I'm done with my list [14:57] any ideas http://imagebin.org/165453 ? [14:57] apachelogger: do we need to include the moc only when subclassing from QObject? [14:58] mfraz74: 0.o [14:58] +1 [14:58] mfraz74: any change if you disable compositing? [14:58] ... or restart kwin ? [14:58] yofel: none [14:59] never seen something like that till now [14:59] it is like that when I boot the netbook [14:59] have it on 2 netbooks, but no other device [15:00] possible driver bug? [15:00] would be my guess too, but I'm really guessing [15:01] likewise [15:01] don't remember seeing it before upgrade to 4.6.5 [15:02] I could try to upgrade my backup flash install later and try it on my eeePC [15:02] but that'll have to wait [15:02] where would the settings for this sort of thing be stored? [15:03] odd that it only seems to be affecting the places panel in both dolphin and in the "save as" window [15:04] apachelogger: got a sec? [15:05] shadeslayer: you should not need to include the moc at all [15:06] oh ok [15:06] RTFM [15:06] * apachelogger has had an itchy nose all day long and doesn't know why [15:07] if I drag the places panel outside of dolphin the background is transparent as in the quick access browser [15:07] apachelogger: i was looking at a techbase tutorial which said that you need to include the moc because we are subclassing from QObject [15:07] whereas Qt docs said that you don't have to, which is why i asked [15:08] where do qt docs say that? [15:08] where does techbase say that? [15:08] apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/2vrbH.png >> thats my dataengine, and http://paste.kde.org/103291/ is my plasmoid, any ideas why its not working? [15:09] apachelogger: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/DataEngines << techabase docs that say i need to include moc [15:10] ok, not all that wrong [15:10] so where does Qt say you don't need the include? [15:10] yeah trying to find where i saw that [15:10] import Qt 4.7 [15:11] you should import QtQuick 1.0 really [15:12] also [15:12] shadeslayer: #plasma [15:12] oh oh oh [15:12] apachelogger: yeah one sec [15:12] i think i know how to fix it [15:14] bah, stupid file overwrite errors [15:16] debfx: got some still? [15:16] or do you mean O? [15:16] ok... [15:16] shadeslayer: how's kstars? [15:16] O O O your boat gently down the stream [15:16] yofel: I've mixed up kde-workspace-data and kdebase-workspace-data [15:17] oh [15:17] yofel: a) no one uploaded new indi to archives [15:17] shadeslayer: how's it in the sense of backportability? [15:17] b) i've submitted my CMake patch to kstars upstream, waiting on their comments first [15:17] since that's about the last thing that's left and possible to do [15:18] yofel: jr had packages for natty, i forward ported two of those to oneiric [15:18] so natty actually has better indi support than oneiric [15:18] everything else indi is FTBFS on O [15:19] apachelogger: the video player looks slow [15:19] but neat anyways [15:19] shadeslayer: what needs to be done for natty 4.7 then? [15:20] yofel: dirty fix : copy over jr's package and make kstars build with those [15:20] proper fix: upload the 2 packages we have for oneiric into archives and backport those to natty [15:22] shadeslayer: what is slow? [15:22] the scrolling [15:22] shadeslayer: can I just backport those before they're in the archive? (the bindings aren't either) [15:22] * apachelogger notes that QGV is pretty much dying from all the update requests from all over the scene [15:22] apachelogger: the video looks like its stuttering [15:23] yofel: if they build, i don't see why not [15:23] perhaps on the video of the video *shrug* [15:23] but kstars won't pick up indi without my findINDI.cmake patch [15:24] http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/102119/ [15:24] is that in the O package? [15:24] i haven't uploaded the O package yet, i'm waiting for upstream to comment on that [15:24] if not I would say we just delay it, I just checked and old kstars works fine with 4.7 [15:25] upstream says that they will look at it in a couple of hours, so we could just release kstars after we release the rest of 4.7 [15:25] ack [15:26] if nobody has any new breakage to report I'll copy the packages then [15:26] apachelogger, Quintasan ^ [15:32] * yofel goes merging kde-l10n branches [15:32] sure why not [15:36] apachelogger: how does your new script fetch the tarballs? you don't define the download location anymore [15:38] ah, didn't read the script properly [15:38] sry [15:41] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common-natty] Philip Muškovac * 100 * debian/ (config README.source build-l10n.sh changelog control rules) Merge changes from master branch for the 4.7 packages [15:44] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common-natty] Philip Muškovac * 101 * debian/ (changelog config) 4.7.0 release [15:46] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common-natty] Philip Muškovac * 102 * debian/config fix used branch [15:47] ok then, copying [15:49] yofel: Copy em all! [15:50] Quintasan: tf2 in 45 minutes? [15:50] shadeslayer: Not really, skateboarding, if it rains I'll join you in TF [15:51] ok [15:54] ooops [15:55] I won't be able to upload kde-l10n to backports... we're out of space [15:55] heh [15:55] do we even upload l10n to backports? [15:55] iirc we didn't [15:55] the other backports have kde-l10n [15:55] can anything be removed from the PPA? [15:56] dunno then [15:56] well, it's 4.5.3 lucid and 4.6.2 maverick currently [15:56] and KDE uses a lot of space [15:56]