[05:18] <Myrtti> wohey
[05:24] <Tm_Tr> morning
[05:24] <Tm_Tr> g0t: how can we help you?
[05:27] <Myrtti> g0t: hi
[05:29] <Myrtti> g0t: did you have something to discuss?
[05:31] <Myrtti> g0t: you have been banned on #ubuntu because you've had several clones on the channel, and you've had (and probably still have) a google trigger that is interfering with our bot
[05:31] <Myrtti> !google | test
[05:31] <g0t> Results for | test on Google:
[05:31] <g0t> --
[05:32] <Myrtti> g0t: you need to disable it.
[05:33] <Myrtti> g0t: come back when you have
[06:31] <bazhang> recommending MINT augh
[07:58] <jpds> bazhang: But it leaves the mouth so refreshed.
[08:05] <bazhang> jpds, heh
[08:06] <oCean> g0t has a wider ban now?
[08:06] <oCean> a wait, I see it
[08:07] <Myrtti> 42147
[08:07] <oCean> 42148
[08:07] <oCean> :)
[08:13] <oCean> Myrtti: does that mean we can remove entries such as 42113 42073 ?
[08:15] <Myrtti> oCean: i havent a clue, i was and am on my mobile
[08:17] <oCean> Myrtti: that's fine, those bans have IP in them, so they match your wider ban
[08:17] <oCean> but those have forwards to -ops in them
[08:45] <bazhang> girl is crossposting the danger command in #u and #k
[08:46] <oCean> ah :(
[08:47] <oCean> recovered my whole home folder -- yeah
 I have Kubuntu hoary iso
[08:50] <bazhang> oh yeah
[08:56] <Myrtti> i call troll
[08:57] <Tm_T> it is
[08:57] <oCean> now girl_ offering help in #u
[09:03] <Myrtti> wow
[09:03] <Myrtti> valid advice
[09:03] <oCean> yup
[09:06] <Myrtti> shock horror
[13:00] <oCean> hello g0t
 hi there, I'm trying to get OS9 to talk to my *buntu box with netatalk
[13:10] <bazhang> #ubuntu-MacOS
[13:11] <Pici> At least he didn't say OS7
[13:11] <bazhang> !google | test
[13:11] <g0t> Results for | test on Google:
[13:11] <g0t> --
[13:11] <bazhang> hehe
[13:11] <Pici> Actually, if he did I *might* be able to help him.
[13:11] <bazhang> pretty bad google script
[13:11] <LjL> how did you know that
[13:11] <bazhang> Pici, haha
[13:11] <bazhang> LjL, having kicked him twice and banned him once for it
[13:12] <IdleOne> !google | IdleOne
[13:12] <g0t> Results for | IdleOne on Google:
[13:12] <g0t> --
[13:12] <IdleOne> now that is sad :/
[13:12] <elky> leave the | off
[13:12] <oCean> there's a wider ban in #u now
[13:12] <IdleOne> google doesn't know me
[13:12] <oCean> but the forward is from -server
[13:12] <Pici> !google elky
[13:12] <g0t> Results for elky on Google:
[13:12] <g0t> --
[13:13] <Pici> :(
[13:13] <elky> lol
[13:13] <IdleOne> I think it is clear we don't need that bot in the channels
[13:13] <Pici> g0tbot?
[13:13] <bazhang> ouch!
[13:14] <Pici> Does anyone have a log of him saying anything else?
[13:14] <bazhang> nope
[13:14] <oCean> nope, this is all
[13:14] <IdleOne> just ban it, remove the forward
[13:14] <bazhang> I did that !google | some user and discoverd him/her/it
[13:15] <Pici> fixed.
[13:15] <oCean> nice
[13:16] <Pici> really fixed.
[13:33] <oCean> hello, I read something on the internet
[13:33] <bazhang> must be true
[13:34] <oCean> but what do I have to change?
[13:34] <IdleOne> your perception of reality?
[13:34] <IdleOne> :-P
[13:34] <Pici> I think therefore you are.
[13:35] <IdleOne> I is
[13:35] <oCean> you must be trolling me
[13:35] <IdleOne> never
[13:35] <IdleOne> ok, a little
[13:46] <Psydoll> why was i banned from offtopic?
[13:46] <Psydoll> i even said i didnt want to talk politics
[13:46] <LjL> probably exhaustion with the nonsense you spout so often
[13:46] <LjL> but it's just a guess
[13:46] <Psydoll> i said i liked the 60s and 80s
[13:47] <Psydoll> then everyone starts talking about politics
[13:47] <Psydoll> i even said i didnt want to talk politics
[13:48] <Pici> Psydoll: Saying that, and then continuing anyway doesn't really mean anything.
[13:48] <Psydoll> Pici: i was baited, a few people kept trolling me
[13:48] <Pici> *you* were baited?
[13:49] <LjL> in soviet russia
[13:49] <Psydoll> yes, i said i didnt want a political discussion but people started flooding the channel with political stuff
[13:49] <Psydoll> they should kickban everyone that was talking politics aswell if thats the case because i clearly said i didnt want to talk politics
[13:49] <Pici> Psydoll: 1) You started the discussion 2) you were using rather loaded statements about the state of the US
[13:49] <Psydoll> 1. i said i liked the 60s and the 80s
[13:49] <Psydoll> 2. i never said anything negative about the us
[13:50] <Pici> 09:39:31 <Psydoll> bazhang: the 80s were the best, everyone had money, ronald reagan was president, the berlin wall came down, the music, the films, the racial tolerance all the dawn of a new era.
[13:50] <LjL> you said something very negative about the rest of the world, though
[13:50] <Pici> 09:41:24 <Psydoll> The US is like 60 years ahead of the rest of the developed world when it comes to tolerence, integration etc
[13:50] <Psydoll> its true, and i answered a question i was asked
[13:51] <Psydoll> i wanted to avoid a political discussion, i said so clearly.
[13:51] <Psydoll> "no politics!"
[13:51] <LjL> do you think swearing and then saying "no swearing" is fine?
[13:52] <Psydoll> thats different swearing is clearly causing problems, i just expresssed my opinion of a decade
[13:52] <Psydoll> and said i didnt want to get drawn into a discussion on it, its my personal opinion.
[13:52] <LjL> it's my personal opinion that you're annoying
[13:53] <LjL> but no ad hominems, so please refrain from arguing back on this!
[13:53] <Psydoll> you have the ignore button you can use if you feel that way.
[13:53] <LjL> yeah i also have a ban button
[13:54] <LjL> and i use it when people are making my channel into a trollpit
[13:54] <Psydoll> banning me from a channel because i like the 60 and 80s is ott.
[13:54] <LjL> you've been doing so for a long time
[13:55] <Psydoll> LjL: i dont even know who you are.
[13:55] <LjL> perhaps that's because i don't spout nonsense in -ot all the darned time
[13:55] <ikonia> LjL: if I may for a moment
[13:58] <Pici> Psydoll: The fact of the matter is we don't care if your opinions differ from ours, but you are dropping loaded statements and bait others into starting an argument. That is something that we can't have here.
[14:03] <Psydoll> back
[14:03] <Psydoll> if someone says they dont want to talk politics then the others should stop.
[14:04] <Psydoll> i didnt want to talk politics and the others that were talking about it should be banned also.
[14:05] <Pici> Psydoll: So you have no problem with someone dropping a religiously loaded statement and then saying, oh, no religion discussion?
[14:06] <IdleOne> Psydoll: The thing is that you often make comments that are inflammatory. Ubuntu channels are about tolerance and respect towards everybody. Saying something like Europe started 2 world wars because of racial intolerance is just wrong. You have been warned on a few occasions by other ops about doing this sort of thing. You don't seem to get it.
[14:06] <IdleOne> so elky decided that a ban might be good for you for a little while.
[14:07] <Psydoll> the thing is: i made a general statement that i liked two decades of history the 60s and the 80s and when it was getting political i said no politics plz.
[14:07] <LjL> Psydoll: answer Pici please
[14:07] <IdleOne> but you continued after saying that with loaded statements.
[14:07] <Psydoll> instead of letting the topic die down one overly sensitive op banned me from the channel.
[14:07] <IdleOne> anyway that is all I wanted to say i will let Pici deal with this.
[14:08] <Psydoll> Pici: I made a general statement that i liked the 60s and 80s, its not like thats overly loaded, when it got political i said "no politics!".
[14:08] <LjL> when YOU got it political
[14:08] <Psydoll> the topic should have been allowed to die.
[14:09] <Pici> Psydoll: I concur with LjL, you started the political discussion. No one else was talking about politics until you did.
[14:10] <Pici> Do I need to paste logs to remind you?
[14:10] <Psydoll> yes please paste the part i said "no politics"
[14:10] <LjL> yes, it comes immediately after the part where you insulted all the developed world for being 60 years behind the US
[14:10] <LjL> you can't really expect no reactions to that just because you say "no politics"
[14:11] <Psydoll> i realised that it was getting political and tried to kill the topic then and there.
[14:11] <Pici> Psydoll: http://privatepaste.com/82389e25a0
[14:12] <Psydoll> the whole thing happened over a matter of 3 minutes and i even said i didnt want to get drawn into politics, the topic should have been allowed to die before i was banned.
[14:12] <Psydoll> i think some operator was overly zealous and wanting to show he has that ban button to impress the others.
[14:14] <Pici> Psydoll: I've been reminded that this isn't the first time that you've been spoken to about baiting people.
[14:15] <Psydoll> I didnt "bait" anyone, i didnt want a political discussion, the topic was about to die anyway should have just let it die.
[14:17] <Psydoll> ive been coming here a while, its not like im some random person who came here specifically to cause trouble,.
[14:18] <Psydoll> im a regular in the room, some people get overly sensitive and just want to use that ban button without giving the chance to change topic.
[14:18] <LjL> yes you've been coming here for a while, and almost every time there were eyes rolling. that's the entire point.
[14:18] <Psydoll> instead we have been talking about this for the past half hour.
[14:19] <LjL> including this one, you have 5 bans/mutes, that tells me something
[14:19] <Pici> I have better things to do than to talk about this, but I'm not about to overturn the ban if you don't understand what you did.
[14:19] <Psydoll> how long is this ban for?
[14:19] <Pici> So at this point, I'm going to give you the appeals link, you may want to read it and follow up at your leisure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess
[14:20] <Psydoll> Im not going to waste anymore time here, I Just re-register and come back, you all had the chance to do the right thing.
[14:20] <Psydoll> see you all in a few minutes.
[14:20] <Psydoll> Q/
[14:20] <LjL> doubtful
[14:20] <Pici> Ban evasion is ...
[14:20] <elky> !staff
[14:21] <niko> noticed.
[14:21] <elky> thanks
[14:21] <Pici> niko: thanks
[14:22]  * ikonia waits for the BT internet ISP to join #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:22] <mrmist> ubottu's staff list is a little out of date.
[15:22] <mrmist> I did!
[15:23] <rww> mrmist: if you PM me a corrected one, I'll fix it
[15:23] <rww> or if there's a list somewhere
[15:23] <ikonia> lets update
[15:23] <mrmist> good question as to who should be on the list
[15:23] <mrmist> i will ask about
[15:23] <ikonia> I guess it's wise if it's the people who are active in #ubuntu
[15:23] <kloeri> the list is part of freenodes heavily guarded configuration :p
[15:23] <mrmist> whichver staff are in here might be a good starting point
[15:24] <ikonia> cat ircd-7.admin.conf
[15:25] <kloeri> cat: ircd-7.admin.conf: No such file or directory
[15:25] <kloeri> told you it's heavily guarded :p
[15:25] <ikonia> guess I fail at hacking freenode
[15:25] <rww> freenode's so cute, thinks it's the NSA :(
[15:51] <nhandler> http://pastebin.com/iPgQuUxe is a list of staff currently in the channel
[15:57]  * genii-around ponders birthday-spankings
[15:58] <Pici> for Corey?
[15:59] <genii-around> Is it their birthday?
[15:59] <Pici> I think it was yesterday.
[15:59] <genii-around> Ah
[16:12] <topyli> a bonus spankin on the day-after is always in order though
[18:26] <genii-around> ikonia: I like how you called up Derek there, in -server
[18:26] <ikonia> just gave them a quick call as it seemed nonsnese that they don't support that
[18:26] <ikonia> and shock horror, it is nosense
[18:28] <ikonia> I'm curious to how he "spins up another" without any install media
[18:28]  * Pici shrugs
[18:28] <ikonia> not going to ask as I suspect that will just start a tail of more nonsense
[18:29] <genii-around> The guy seems to be purposely difficult
[18:29] <ikonia> he's messed up his lvm config, that's the issue
[18:29] <ikonia> someones put the PE device as a raw mount point, lvm doesn't like that so it's corrupted the device
[18:30] <ikonia> simple to fix, however as his root file system is on lvm, he'll need something to fix it from
[18:36] <ikonia> well hello AlanBell
[18:36] <AlanBell> hi, can Psychobudgie join here to discuss a ban
[18:36] <ikonia> no problem
[18:37] <ikonia> hello there Psychobudgie
[18:37] <Psychobudgie> hi can someone remove the ban placed on me in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:38] <ikonia> Psychobudgie: I'll just grab the notes, while I'm doing that, do you know why you where banned ?
[18:38] <Psychobudgie> I've apparantly got to laugh about it and not to imply that using autocomplete to set a ban is bad idea
 sorry, you got caught in crossfire there, you're not banned in #ubuntu-offtopic. sorry
[18:38] <Psychobudgie> * Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned).
[18:38] <Psychobudgie> that
[18:39] <ikonia> Psychobudgie: one moment, so you where banned by accident ?
[18:39] <ikonia> @login
[18:40] <AlanBell> it looks that way from my logs
[18:40] <Psychobudgie> I wasn't there so unless idling is a reason for a ban I would assume so
[18:40] <AlanBell> 14:43 elky seems to have accidentally banned, and then unbanned
[18:41] <ikonia> ok, so if he's unbanned what's the problem ?
[18:41] <ikonia> (still waiting for notes to load)
[18:41] <Psychobudgie> I'm not
[18:41] <Psychobudgie> I assure you I cannot join the channel
[18:41] <AlanBell> it seems the unban failed
[18:41] <Psychobudgie> I've tried
[18:41] <ikonia> ooh
[18:41] <Psychobudgie> that's why I'm here
[18:42] <ikonia> Psychobudgie: can you try now please ?
[18:42] <Psychobudgie> works now
[18:42] <Psychobudgie> ty ikonia
[18:42] <ikonia> pici is your hero
[18:43] <ikonia> Psychobudgie: sorry aboutthat
[18:43] <Psychobudgie> np, you weren't the one who was using autocomplete in a channel with over 200 nicks
[18:44] <Pici> It works most of the time.
[18:44] <ikonia> accidents happen
[18:44] <ikonia> I've certainly made them myself
[18:45] <AlanBell> thanks for sorting it out ikonia and Pici
[18:45] <ikonia> not at all, sorry for the mistake
[18:45] <Psychobudgie> as a general rule in our network we tell ops not to autocomplete at all when setting bans of any kind for that reason, just a suggestion
[18:45] <Psychobudgie> but thanks for the help
[18:46] <Pici> Thats too much work.
[19:02] <Tm_Tr> autocomplete isn't the issue (:
[19:02]  * Tm_Tr just tried to autocomplete the word "autocomplete"
[19:15] <ikonia> annoyed with girl now
[19:15] <ikonia> asked for help in #ubuntu - went to help, then is in #kubuntu asking about different issues while leaving me waiting for feedback
[19:19] <Pici> silly
[19:19] <ikonia> rude
[19:19] <Pici> that too
[19:20] <ikonia> here is a thought, which I think is probably terrible but......
[19:21] <ikonia> what about #ubuntu-ppa where PPA maintainers can hang out to offer support,
[19:21] <ikonia> some of the PPA's such as the KDE ones have good support
[19:21] <Pici> I don't think many ppa maintainers are interested in providing support.
[19:22] <ikonia> I suspected it wasn't the best idea I'd had
[19:23] <oCean> if there was to be a general -unsupported, the ppa maintainers that would like to provide (some) support, could help there
[19:23] <ikonia> I don't like -unsupported to be honest
[19:23] <topyli> just a guess, but i'd think #kubuntu doesn't smite you if you're using the latest kde from the official team ppa
[19:23] <oCean> ikonia: but you would like -ppa ?
[19:24] <Tm_T> ikonia: KDE ppa's? if you mean Kubuntu ppa:s, those are supported in #k
[19:24] <ikonia> oCean: I did as it was specific but I do agree with what Pici said
[19:24] <ikonia> Tm_T: yes, but technically they shouldn't
[19:24] <ikonia> eg: we don't support PPA's
[19:24] <ikonia> Tm_T: (I don't mean pull support)
[19:24] <ikonia> I just wondered if we could orginise it a little better, but I do agree with pici
[19:25] <Tm_T> well, I don't see why we shouldn't support, even technically, in #k
[19:25] <ikonia> !ppa
[19:25] <ikonia> because we are saying they are unsupported
[19:25] <Pici> The Kubuntu backports PPA is a special case.
[19:25] <topyli> kubuntu is a bit special i think
[19:25] <ikonia> right, why is that special
[19:25] <ikonia> I want someone to support my PPA
[19:25] <ikonia> how do I make that special
[19:25] <Pici> Because it has the blessing of the Kubuntu developers.
[19:26] <Tm_T> ikonia: because those who maintain the PPA are the ones supporting it too
[19:26] <ikonia> that's just rubbish
[19:26] <Tm_T> and what Pici said
[19:26] <ikonia> I cannot get my head around how this team and IRC is supposed to be process driven and uniform,
[19:26] <ikonia> but then we just bypass it when ever someone wants to
[19:26] <topyli> it does make it more difficult for up to generalize and "draw the line", but it's reality
[19:27] <topyli> for us*
[19:27] <ikonia> topyli: I agree
[19:27] <Pici> Kubuntu has always been special in some ways.
[19:27] <Tm_T> topyli: yup, and I rather keep it this way, than go creating yet another channel for support
[19:27] <ikonia> nothing wrong with reality and as I say, I'm all for common sense, it's just hard to know how to deal with this "draw up a wiki page and lets make it a process".....execpt when we don't
[19:27] <topyli> Tm_T: yes, #kubuntu is not that big
[19:28] <Pici> ikonia: It was bad when we had a separate channel for #kubuntu-kde4, I don't think its worth it for this.
[19:28] <ikonia> kubuntu is a special case in general as it has it's own irc council that can overrule the IRC council if it wants to, another topic that no-one seems to want to deal with
[19:28] <ikonia> Pici: fully agree,
[19:28] <Tm_T> topyli: nor busy, and as it's the very same community, very same developers, and most likely very same helpers
[19:28] <topyli> yup
[19:29] <Tm_T> not to mention, we often recommend to upgrade to newest stable ppa release...
[19:29] <oCean> were did my #k tab go?
[19:29] <ikonia> why does these sort of upgrades not go into main though
[19:29] <ikonia> or back ports ?
[19:29] <ikonia> why a PPA ?
[19:29] <Tm_T> oCean: I ate it, sorry
[19:29] <ikonia> why break the ubuntu development process
[19:29] <ikonia> or release process to be clearer
[19:29] <jussi> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UpdatesPolicy
[19:29] <jussi> Approved by the tech board
[19:30] <Tm_T> ikonia: because we can backport only bugfix releases
[19:30] <jussi> oh and Hai all.
[19:30] <ikonia> honestly, it's just rubbish
[19:31] <Tm_T> ikonia: that we support newest stable release?
[19:31] <ikonia> no, just the "here is the process for $anything, but we'll bypass it here, here, here and here
[19:32] <Tm_T> ikonia: sounds like a life, unfortunately
[19:32] <topyli> that always happens when humans get involved
[19:32] <topyli> stupid humans :(
[19:32] <ikonia> not really
[19:32] <ikonia> look at Fedora, don't see it there
[19:32] <topyli> messing up our process
[19:32] <Pici> I'd rather see the bypass than breaking people's installs by upgrading shared packages between versions.
[19:32] <ikonia> Pici: I don't want peoples machines broke either,
[19:32] <Tm_T> ikonia: we also support stable firefox releases that aren't just bugfix releases
[19:33] <ikonia> where to they come from another PPA ?
[19:33] <Tm_T> only difference is that Kubuntu's case the source is PPA
[19:33] <Pici> And now with Unity 2D using Qt, the risk is even greater.
[19:33] <ikonia> my words,
[19:34] <ikonia> my word even
[19:34] <topyli> i agree that it would be nicer if it weren't a ppa but something called 'kubuntu-backports' or whatever
[19:34] <ikonia> topyli: I'm not trying to break it, I just look on it as a dijointed mess
[19:34] <ikonia> that doesn't meant the quality of what comes out is poor, but you look at other big distros and it's not a mess like this
[19:34] <topyli> ikonia: no i don't think you're trying to break anything. your point is valid
[19:34] <Tm_T> topyli: unfortunately it's a uphill battle to try to get policies to support the efforts of Kubuntu, I'd say
[19:35] <topyli> Tm_T: that's probably true :(
[19:48] <Pici> ikonia: :P
[19:58] <ikonia> clone time
[20:04] <ikonia> was D34X a problem before, he shows up in my hilights and I remember him but there are no records
[20:09] <oCean> there was 40919
[20:09] <oCean> oh
[20:11] <oCean> what's the new rule again with someone asking "anyone?"? 2 yr ban?