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Azelphurhaha, my server just went under quite a fun attack01:26
Azelphur10 guys all organized on mumble with a botnet behind them01:26
Azelphurbeat them all on 3 minutes and they moved on, scrubs :P01:26
ali1234why do people attack your site?01:27
ali1234is it because they suck at TF2?01:27
Azelphurali1234: all 10 of them decided to use aimbots and speedhacks01:28
Azelphurso I did a mass ban targeting the lot of them all in one shot01:28
ali1234how do you detect that stuff?01:28
Azelphurplayer reports and manual checking01:28
ali1234why hasn't someone invented an aimbot that plays badly when you're already winning?01:29
Azelphurhaha01:29
Azelphurafterwards they used their botnet to target my SourceIRC relay01:29
Azelphurwhich just relayed their attack and didn't choke in the slightest, which was rather hilarious.01:29
Azelphurbanned the entire botnet in one shot, so they came after me in a query, qlined the lot of them01:30
ali1234do peopl ejust go nuts, when they are using abot?01:30
Azelphurand they ran off with their tails behind their legs01:30
ali1234a like, steamroller everyone?01:30
AzelphurI promptly went to their mumble and laughed at them for extra victory.01:30
Azelphurali1234: yea01:30
AzelphurI'm tempted to run the SQL denial of service attack on their mumble and shut down their C&C01:31
Azelphurbut then that would make me bad too :(01:31
ali1234i should probably try to play TF2 since i downloaded it now it's free01:32
Azelphur:)01:32
ali1234i think steam is broken01:34
ali1234my install that is01:34
Azelphurhehe01:34
ali1234oh joy an update01:34
ali1234seems like everyone has a botnet these days01:35
ali1234is it really that easy?01:36
Azelphurali1234: sure01:36
ali1234well i got to the server list and then it crashed01:38
Azelphurhaha01:38
ali1234oh, tag search is just really slow01:38
ali1234it searches every time you type a letter01:39
ali1234searching takes 10 seconds01:39
Azelphurhaha01:40
ali1234hats.....01:49
Azelphurhats everywhere....01:50
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ali1234this is better than i expected02:32
ali1234...but then it crashed02:32
MyrttiAlanBell:04:27
MyrttiAlanBell: no, but thanks for the offer04:28
ballWhat's a simple arcade game that I can use to test a control pad?04:40
shaunocentipede :)04:42
justinBUJITSUBROgood night every  one05:42
DJonesMorning all07:18
diploMorning all07:23
BigRedSg'morning!07:30
popeymorning all07:43
Apacheukmorning everyone07:48
bigcalmMorning peeps :)08:03
BigRedSg'morning!08:04
* BigRedS slopes off for some coffee08:04
bigcalmRecomendations for a iTunes replacement in Ubuntu? I only use it for audio and video podcasts08:11
oimongpodder?08:14
oimonit's a single task app that does its job well08:14
BigRedSyeah, I like gpodder for podcasts08:19
bigcalmTa, I'll take a look09:01
GreenDanceHi09:05
popeyhello09:06
GreenDance:)09:06
GreenDance*waves*09:07
GreenDanceI got a second hand server (recycled), it had Windows 2008 Server installed, wiped it off and Installed Ubuntu Server LTS :D09:08
bigcalm\o/09:08
xapelIs there a way to sync gmail contacts with thunderbird? If not, will there be one by the time Oneiric is released?09:09
oimonxapel: i think there is an add-on called zandu09:11
oimonzindus09:11
GreenDancepopey: single core, 2.4 gb cpu, 2 gb ram, 60 gb hdd, :)09:12
bigcalmStruggling to remember what I was subscribed to in iTunes. I've remembered UUPC, CarPool and David Mitchell's Soap Box09:20
oimonlinux action show?09:21
bigcalmNope09:21
oimongardeners world? ant farmer weekly09:21
bigcalmAh, The Friday Night Comedy Podcast09:21
bigcalmSolid Steel as well09:23
popeyhttp://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/Podcasts09:24
bigcalmHumm, no rss feed for solidsteel09:24
GreenDancefor a remote server, is there a linux command to say how much memory is installed in a server, e.g. 512mb09:28
DJonesGreenDance: If you run Top, it'll tell you how much memory there is on about the 3rd line next to the MEM heading09:30
popeyor cat /proc/meminfo09:30
GreenDanceDJones top displays in K not mb/gb09:32
popeywhy does that matter?09:32
popeyfree -g09:32
GreenDanceeasier to read?09:32
popeyor indeed free -m09:33
GreenDancethanks09:34
gordNg, hey hey, having fun times with terminator, so i went into the background options to adjust the transparency of my terminal . but for some reason the slider was locked at 0.0, now my entire terminal is 100% transparent and i can't see anything :)09:51
dwatkinsClearly it's adapting to take out its revenge on you, gord - check for red LEDs and signs of time travel.09:55
gordended up finding and editing the config file :)09:58
oimongood news about ubuntu one..shame it's going really slowly now though :(10:12
oimonby slowly i mean not working :P10:13
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:13
ubuntuuk-planet[Kwabena Aning] MySQL and Scala  Simple selects - http://blog.kaning.co.uk/archives/29810:14
Apacheukoimon: whats the new re UbuntuOne?10:17
oimonbasic users now get 5GB of storage, plus other news10:17
Apacheukoimon: do you have a link handy to a press release?10:18
oimonhttp://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/?p=102310:18
oimonthey are also on twitter http://twitter.com/#!/ubuntuone10:18
oimon1 million U1 users is really good10:19
Apacheukoimon: cheers, I do follow them on twitter, but it must have got lost in the normal avalanche10:19
bigcalmI still haven't used all of my dropbox space and it's available on every platform10:19
bigcalmHo hum10:19
oimonmy file upload is currently stuck though :(10:21
* popey grumbles that he still cant use U110:21
oimonpopey: i hear the windows version is about to get some love10:23
popeystill no proxy support10:25
AlanBelluse tsocks maybe10:25
davmor2popey: tunnel out of the proxy ;)10:26
popeyUh, no.10:29
popeyfile sync agent in the background is one of those things that should just sit there and not have to be dicked about with to make it work10:29
popeyalso, at work I am on Windows10:30
AlanBellthe client is open source isn't it?10:30
diployeah10:30
popeyyes10:30
AlanBellgot a bug?10:31
popeyyes10:31
popeybug 63328010:31
lubotu3Launchpad bug 633280 in Ubuntu Single Sign On Client "Support proxy" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63328010:31
diploI found windows client raped my cpu10:31
diplowhen it tried syncing10:32
diploI manually sync now10:32
popeyhmm, thats one of them10:32
gordthe windows client worked okay for me, would like it to sync my folders too though10:33
popeybug 38730810:33
lubotu3Launchpad bug 387308 in Ubuntu One Client "HTTPS Proxy Support for file sync" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38730810:33
popeythats the main one10:33
popeywith a bazillion duplicates10:33
oimonwho do you have to buy a beer for to get that fixed i wonder10:34
popeyi love the most recent comment10:34
popeyits a triple whammy of proprietaryness10:34
popeyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/387308/comments/13210:34
oimonand trolling :P10:34
popey* Sent from iphone (check)10:34
popey* Sent from gmail (check)10:34
popey* Recommend dropbox (check)10:35
oimonit's got a lot of votes, that bug10:35
popeyfancy that10:35
popeythis is why I keep suggesting that FLOSS developers should spend a day/week/month/year behind a proxy10:35
popeyso they can see what their app is like for normal people10:35
oimonsince it is a commercial effort, they should fix it even more10:36
gordi wouldn't know ow to set up a proxy :)10:36
gordhow*10:36
gordi hate my keyboard...10:36
oimongord, it's easy, just turn off direct http access and you'll soon learn :)10:36
oimonexcept you'll have to rely on man pages :)10:37
gordits not a bad idea, i'd like to set it up but i just don't know how, or really have the time/will to sit and learn the linux user way (thrown on to google, have to wade through a billion pages of bad advice, learn the proper way a year later)10:37
oimonthat bug seems typical of those ones where all the users are all RAWR about it, and no dev 'owns' the bug10:38
oimonthere used to be lots of gwibber bugs like that :)10:39
AlanBellit is a bit non-trivial, but the merge proposal looks reasonable to me and only needs a tiny tweak to get approved10:40
AlanBellhttps://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/ubuntuone-client/very-basic-proxy-support-for-stable-1-4/+merge/3991010:40
popeyI have actually played with the source to test that code and couldn't get it working fully10:42
popeywith the latest version of U110:42
Laneydoesn't use libproxy?10:43
AlanBellhow does one use libproxy Laney, got an example?10:44
Laneyhttps://code.google.com/p/libproxy/wiki/HowTo :-)10:44
AlanBellit is going to be 10 lines of code or so to fix it10:45
LaneyI don't know anything about U1, but libproxy is The Proxy Solution10:45
* popey wonders if AlanBell has signed the Canonical Contributor Agreement10:48
AlanBellnope10:48
popeyalan@wopr:~/Development/u1/ubuntuone-client-1.6.2$ head HACKING10:48
popeyUbuntu One requires acceptance of the Canonical Contributor Agreement. You10:48
popeywill need to follow the instructions at:10:48
AlanBellyeah, fine10:48
Laneyyou mean contributing code back to upstream requires [...]10:49
AlanBellall going Harmony soon anyway I guess10:49
AlanBellnot sure that libproxy is the right thing here as the ProxyTunnelFactory thing is part of U1 anyway10:50
Laneyaha, it already has proxy support?10:50
popeyi suspect not10:51
popeyi suspect that is talking about the proxying at the server end10:51
oimonif somebody estimated how much extra revenue canonical  would gain from getting this feature working, it might stimulate a fix :)10:51
hooverhi folks10:56
Nggord: that doesn't sound good! oneiric?11:05
gordNg, yup11:05
Nggord: perhaps vte changed something - if you run it from a terminal (hah) does it output any ugly errors?11:05
gordNg, only complains about not being able to bind a key combo11:06
Ngbah11:07
gordNg, oh wait, opening the config errors out a bit more11:07
popeyis that a gconf -> gsettings thing?11:07
Ngwe don't use gconf anymore11:07
gordNg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/654415/ seems relevant11:08
Ngaha, yes11:08
Nggreat, more version specific code paths :(11:09
bigcalmIs there an application that will allow me to see how a blackberry would display emails without having the actual device?11:11
hooverbigcalm: http://patorjk.com/software/taag/11:30
hoover;-)11:34
BomsterHi all12:35
dogmatic69o/12:35
BomsterCame to ask an off-topic question12:36
BomsterCan anyone reccomend a good ISP?12:36
Bomster?12:37
popeyhi Bomster12:38
popeyyou in the UK?12:38
BomsterHey man12:38
BomsterYeah12:38
dogmatic69Bomster: http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/phpwm/2011-July/subject.html12:39
popeyare you in a cabled area or not?12:39
BomsterErmm.12:39
BomsterI live in a small town, so I guess not12:39
popeyyou can probably find out from virgin media website12:39
popeysamknows is a good website for finding out what is available in your area12:39
* popey has to go and reboot, back in a bit12:39
BomsterI'm not cabled no12:39
gordbe have been good for me, ADSL isp, good quality, no traffic shaping, no limits, they even have an irc channel on freenode12:40
BomsterI'm a small exchange pleb.12:41
Bomsterwhat is their channel?12:41
hoovercheers all12:41
hooverhave a nice weekend12:41
Bomstersee ya12:42
gordah its not on freenode, quakenet, http://irc.beusergroup.co.uk:8080/?channels=Be12:43
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oimontrying out knoppix for the first time in ages, interesting how the kde4 is themed to look a lot like the 3.5 version13:40
gordheh, found my old dell mini10v. damn that thing was heavy but so cute13:47
oimonapple has more $$ than the USA: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-1434047013:59
AlanBellthe back of my sofa has more money than the USA14:00
ali1234what's this multiarch stuff about?14:12
ali1234what's the difference between multiarch and the way it works now in ubuntu?14:13
shaunoyou have linkage?14:15
oimonhttp://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110726b14:15
Davieyali1234: You can run i386 apps on amd64.14:15
Davieyand more such stuff.14:15
awilkinsThey are using my street to train guide dogs14:16
shaunoyou kinda already can, but "and in the future will even allow live migrations from 32-bit to 64-bit systems." would be a big deal14:16
ali1234but i can already do that...14:16
awilkinsConstant "good girl!" coming through the window14:16
ali1234i was looking for a slightly more technical explanation :)14:17
oimonthere's a talk on it: http://penta.debconf.org/dc11_schedule/events/747.en.html14:17
awilkinshttp://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/TheCaseForMultiarch14:17
ali1234i've read that too :)14:17
ali1234watching the talk now...14:18
oimonthere's slides too :)14:18
shaunoI'd be curious if it comes anywhere close to multiarch in osx.  (puts fanboy cape on) it kinda makes x86_64 support in linux look outright awkward14:18
BigRedSdoesnt osx's multiarch come from some handy side-effect of the structure of the kernel?14:19
gordis there really that much 32bit stuff installed on a 64bit machine?14:19
shaunoI believe so, yeah. it lets them put multiple blobs in the same binary14:20
oimonia32-libs [is now] the biggest source package in Debian. -Tollef Fog Heen14:20
shaunothe header for the executable (or library) lets them point different arch to different offsets, so you can stick ppc, i386, and x86_64 in the same binary. and wherever you run it, it'll use the most appropriate offset14:21
shaunowhich is really nice in practice.  if I copy something from my laptop to my wife's, it'll run on her in 32bit.  if I put my whole harddrive in hers, the whole OS will run in 32bit.  it's completely transparent14:22
gorddoesn't sound transparent, sounds bleeding complicated ;)14:24
ali1234ok... i think i understand this14:24
shaunowell, by transparent, I mean she'll never notice it's there14:25
oimonsurely means big binaries14:25
ali1234the old way, you have the standard arch packages, plus you have a package for "32bit <package> on 64 bit arch" eg ia32-libs14:25
ali1234with multiarch you can just install the same packages but from different arch, side by side14:25
shaunoby complicated, I think of things like ubuntu.com/download calling 32-bit 'recommended' for desktops, and 64-bit 'recommended' for servers. being that most my of servers are virtualised, I wouldn't agree with either of those recommendations14:26
ali1234and the actual runtime execution works the same way14:26
shaunoif they could make a base system that's essentially agnostic, and pick the right packages to install on top of it, that choice would disappear, and let it just 'get it right' itself14:27
AlanBellany reason not to run 64 bit virtualised servers shauno?14:28
AlanBellI run 64bit everywhere because it is twice as good ;)14:29
oimonthe only reason i can think of is the need to run certain 32-bit proprietary software14:29
AlanBelllike what?14:29
ali1234i have a virtual server with a 64 bit root and a 32 bit chroot which is also symlinked to lib3214:30
gordAlanBell, no, its 32 more good!14:30
shaunoI don't actually know the reason, but last I heard, bitfolk only support 32bit guests14:30
ali1234(actually, it's 2^32 times as good)14:31
BigRedSAlanBell: only that not all hosts support 64-bit guests14:32
BigRedSwell, that used to be the case. I can't think of any now but I've not been paying attention14:32
shaunohttps://tools.bitfolk.com/redmine/issues/27    that's pretty much all I know on the issue :)14:32
shaunoI'm not even clear whether that means I can't have a 64bit guest, or that they don't provide 64bit images14:32
oimoni use redmine too :)14:33
BigRedSshauno: it's just that they don't support it14:33
BigRedSthe main problem appears to be that they never have, and they've never started, so they still don't :)14:33
popeyshauno: join #bitfolk on irc.blitzed.org and ask them?14:33
shaunoBigRedS, yeah, I get that much.  but not sure if it's hardware support, software support, or wetware14:33
BigRedSshauno: wetware by the looks of it14:33
shaunobut I do agree with them that I don't see a real benefit for 64 on a <1Gb VM14:34
shauno(besides needed to move time to a 64bit int sometime in the next 30 years ;)14:34
popey\o/ Y2K38 day!14:35
shaunoit is an interesting question tho, and one that leads me to wonder why 64 isn't recommended for desktops if it's that simple ;)14:36
awilkinsInertia, I suspect14:37
awilkinsAnd wireless drivers14:37
awilkinsFor things which are stuck with wrapped 32-bit windows drivers14:37
shaunothe main culprit I've been aware of is adobe never being quite clear on whether flash is going to be x86_64 or not (they seem to change their mind every 2 weeks)14:37
awilkinsThe 64-bit version of flash seems fine now14:38
awilkinsAnd mainstream - although the alphas have worked well for me for a long while too14:38
BigRedSI think it's mostly that a few years ago there was a reasonable chance that any given PC didn't have a 64-bit processor. That's less true now14:38
BigRedSbut most people wont notice the difference anwyay14:38
awilkinsOne would think the 64-bit version of Flash was more secure just because the pointer boundaries are different :-)14:39
shaunoI try not to put secure and flash in the same sentence :)14:39
awilkinsYeah, few people want more than 4GB in a process14:39
awilkinsTHe kernel supports PAE out of the box, so they will be able to use their extended RAM14:39
awilkinsIt's only a concern for nutcases like me who need to be able to allocate 5GB of heap space to a Java program14:40
oimonfunny that the vps provider doesn't want 64 bit for the same reason why i wouldn't install a 32bit server14:40
awilkinsAnd media mavens who want that extra performance14:40
shaunojust saying I can see the use for multiarch, if you can make this the system's problem rather than the user's problem14:42
shaunoI know for most my family, if you asked them how many bits their computer was, they'd either have no idea at all.  or just start counting the bits they can see14:44
oimonto be fair i don't notice any difference14:44
oimonin performance14:45
oimonbut from sysadmin POV i prefer less "fragmentation"14:46
shaunoI've managed to benchmark a repeatable 1% gain in whatever metric it is they invented.  which I wouldn't call noticable at all14:46
oimonsome maths packages get a much better perf gain, but that is not average desktop use14:46
oimonwhen flash performs much better my ears would prick up14:46
shaunobut something like skype only providing 64bit builds wouldn't be insane in the mid-near future.  and telling everyone you 'recommended' a 32bit OS to they need to reinstall to update skype, is going to be messy14:47
awilkinsesp since MS bought Skype14:48
oimonyeah, hopefully they would be happy using the same version of skype until the next LTS14:48
awilkins"Oh, you want Skype? Better upgrade to a version of Windows that has a decent 64 bit version then. Oh, wait, that doesn't include XP? Never mind, eh?"14:49
shaunoawilkins, not bashing msft for it at all, skype's just an interesting example because linux has always felt like it received minimum effort from them (but it's still highly desirable amongst end-users)14:49
BigRedSoimon: we've a bunch of x86 and a slightly smaller bunch of amd64 machines here, most of the time I don't reall know which I'm on at any given time. The difference is quite nominal from a sysadmin POV IME14:49
awilkinsshauno, Skype has the dubious pleasure of being one of two pieces of software I pay for (for SkypeOut credit, not the client) on Linux14:50
shaunoBigRedS, I'd assume he means stuff like having to keep different install images, etc.  double the disk space if you keep a local apt cache, etc14:50
oimonhowever i'm about to roll out RH6.1 to desktops running i5 processors..need to decide on 32 or 64 for the staff/users14:51
shaunonot the systems themselves, but the administrivia of having to double up on everything14:51
awilkinsshauno, In both cases, the applications I pay for have open-source analogs, they just don't do the job as well as the payware14:51
BigRedSah yeah. we're an apt mirror so that's not an issue - our apt-cache also has MIPS and what on it :)14:51
oimoni setup a multiboot usb stick...guess what the only thing that fails is? UBCD4WIN14:52
oimonall other are linux distros14:52
shaunoI've been trying to do something similar lately.  except apple's EFI implementation makes it rather murderous :)14:53
shaunofinally managed to get grub-efi to boot loopback isos (except you lose the console mid-boot) and apple's hardware test (which also explodes mid-boot).  can never tell if I'm making progress, or digging the hole deeper14:54
shaunoif I can get loopback to work without the screen disappearing, I'll finally be able to install natty natively :)14:59
BomsterAhh, been spending all day trying to find a good ISP deal, and at the end of all of it, think I'ma have to go for Plusnet. Arghhhh.15:15
AlanBellBomster: I have plusnet FTTC being installed next week15:15
BomsterLucky f****r.15:15
BomsterGeek envy.15:15
AlanBellthey seem quite good on the phone, didn't blink when I said I was using Linux, static IP address was no problem15:16
BigRedSIs there a way to programatically interfere with screen?15:21
BigRedSI want to, from within a screen session, rename it15:21
BigRedSwell, rename the, er, screen. not the session. Equivalent of ctr-A,shift-a15:21
ali1234can be done with a screenrc and connecting to the existing session15:24
BomsterAlanBell where do you live then? Not specifiacally15:27
BomsterThe question is more, why are you getting FTTC?15:27
BomsterTTTT15:27
AlanBellsurrey15:28
BigRedStea to the table?15:28
Bomsterlol15:28
BomsterI live in East Anglia, and there is virtually no FTTC here.15:28
Bomsterlike 3 or 4 exchanges in the whole area, which is terrible considering it consists of two of the largest counties in the country.15:29
gordthere is FTTC here, but i'm waiting for Be to offer a service15:30
BigRedSthey're large counties preciesly because they are (or maybe were) sparsely populated15:30
gordeveryone else has been too expensive or bandwidth limited15:30
BigRedSI've no idea how much of my internets is fibre or copper. It's Be and quite quick, though.15:30
BomsterADSL15:30
gordBigRedS, if its Be then its copper :)15:30
BigRedSah, I like copper15:30
gordBe are the fastest copper i'v had though so thats nice15:30
BomsterThere is cable, copper and fibre right.15:31
BigRedSyeah, though cable is copper15:31
gordalso wimax15:31
gordwe have bt wifi in this area, its crap15:31
BomsterI can't get BE. My exhange isn't even ADSL2 let alone LLU enabled.15:31
gordhad to use it for a week before my adsl got setup =\15:31
BomsterWiMax suxks,15:31
BigRedScable, phone and fibre I suppose. But when people say 'copper' they normally mean phoen copper not telly copper15:31
Bomster8MB maximum.. great!15:32
gordi get 3mbit ADSL here thanks :P15:32
Bomsterlol15:32
gordthe wifi was about half a mbit15:32
Bomstersolid 300kb/s?15:32
gord3mbit is not 300kb/s15:33
Bomsterit normally converts like that when it comes to download speeds though15:33
Bomster10%.15:33
gordwell no, its 12% + overhead + rand()15:33
BomsterBut I know 3MBps≠300kb/s15:33
Bomster10% rougle then15:34
Bomster*roughly :)15:34
* DJones looked at that and wonder why south african currency came into the calculation15:34
Bomsterlol15:34
gordfibre would be niiice though, hopefully once more of the country has fibre we can get some higher quality services15:36
BomsterFibre expected in East Anglia by 203515:37
Bomsterlol15:37
BomsterOh well, atleast we have 4G on the way by 202015:38
BomsterFaceplam.15:38
Bomster*Facepalm.15:38
DJonesBomster: Sounds like you're asking for everything, ultrafast broadband, good prices etc, be satisfied with what you've got, electricity and carrier pidgeons, I can think of a few places that would be happy with that :)15:40
BomsterDJones Yeah agreed, I'm having a moany day.15:42
DJonesI get those as well15:43
BomsterWould just be nice to have what alot of other contries in the EU.15:43
Bomsterand in the Stated15:43
Bomstercan't help but feel we are constantly lagging behind with many things, not just technology.15:43
BigRedSwe do, as a country, have that15:43
BigRedSjsut not everywhere15:43
BigRedSsame as, well, most countries15:43
Bomsterlike with electric cars as an example..15:43
BigRedSthere's a lot of horrific internet in the us15:43
BomsterYeah, I have heard horror stories.15:44
Bomsterlol15:44
BomsterBut us compared to Germany, Sweeden, Denmark and even France.. were far behind.15:45
Bomster*we're15:45
BomsterAnyway, like you said DJones, we really should be greatful. And if I saw someone else writing what I'm writing I would they there were a douche.15:46
Bomster  /rant15:46
DJonesHeh15:46
gordi'm not grateful at all :P15:50
BomsterWell, you're on 3MB15:51
Bomsterlol15:51
BomsterYou could get a better connection in a 3rd world country..15:51
DJonesIs this the worlds ugliest ebook reader/tablet/...? http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41306/binatone-readme-mobile-android-device15:58
oimonno, just the desktop wallpaper15:59
DJonesAnd there was me thinking that was the screen resolution, a nice blocky 64x48 pixels :)16:00
oimoni think thats an adnroid live wallpaper16:01
BigRedSls16:01
BigRedSoop16:01
DJonesI'd have laughed in somebody had accidentally pasted the response to LS in the channel then16:02
BigRedShaha16:03
oimoni was tempted16:03
bigcalmIs NFS the network file system of choice between 2 linux machines? I have been using samba as I used to have windows on this workstation. I think that CIFS has become a bottle neck while using Eclipse on remote files.16:04
BigRedSIt's the fs of *my* choice16:04
BigRedS'cause I'm lazy and it Just Works16:05
oimonare you sure that the protocol is the bottleneck?16:05
BigRedSit doesn't, by default, have any of the security of CIFS16:05
BigRedSOh, I didn't get that far16:05
DJonesSame here, I use nfs at home because all the machines there use linux and as BigRedS said, it just works16:05
bigcalmoimon: running top on the server, each time I press a key in the eclipse editor, smb appears at the top of top16:07
bigcalmAt the begining of the day, it's fine. By late afternoon, it becomes sluggish and using Eclipse is very difficult16:08
oimona bit like my typical day16:08
BigRedSbigcalm: that just means that smb is doing more than anything else16:14
BigRedSon that machine16:14
BigRedSnot that it's the bottleneck16:14
bigcalmMaybe PDT can't cope with this project16:15
bigcalmStill haven't found a better IDE in linu16:15
bigcalmx16:15
BigRedSvim!16:16
gordBigRedS, for C++ stuff, kdevelop is really very good. it has a vim mode too which is useful for those of us who are used to vim16:18
BigRedSooh. that's long been my barrier to using an ide16:24
BigRedSleaving ':w's all over the place16:25
bigcalm:D16:30
gordah i meant to highlight bigcalm, you guys couldn't use a less colliding nick huh? ;)16:31
gordy'know what happens when you go<tab> you get gord! no substitutes!16:32
bigcalm:P16:32
bigcalmI think that we enjoy the confusion ;)16:32
davmor2AlanBell: you still after a name for your podcast or did you decide on one?16:37
AlanBellstill after one16:37
davmor2AlanBell: Opening your business that should be googleable16:38
AlanBellum not really16:38
AlanBellby which I mean I want a realistic prospect of being at the top of the google search results for the name16:39
MartijnVdS"ABCast"16:39
MartijnVdSand that's bug #3 in 15 minutes16:44
lubotu3Launchpad bug 3 in Launchpad itself "Custom information for each translation team" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316:44
MartijnVdSall crashers16:44
MartijnVdSnot quite, lubotu316:44
MartijnVdS416:46
BomsterSorry for being so off topic all day, but can anyone reccomend a good value wireless router?16:47
MartijnVdSBomster: any special features required?16:48
BomsterWireless N, but not a must.16:48
BomsterNot much else16:48
MartijnVdSIf you want future-proof, go for concurrent dual-band N (2.4 and 5GHz at the same time) -- it's faster and "newest"16:49
BomsterHow much am I going to have to spend?16:49
MartijnVdSgigabit? 100mbit?16:51
MartijnVdSgo for "sitecom", "sweex" or something like that, those are cheap (but good) brands16:51
MartijnVdSeven tp-link would work if you can find a device that does what you want16:51
Bomsterhttp://is.gd/bkkc3P16:53
Bomsterwhat you think of that ^16:53
MartijnVdSdo you need the ADSL2+ modem bit?16:53
BomsterAlso, if its wireless N, can I still connect my phone?16:53
BomsterNo, just ADSL16:53
MartijnVdSso it needs to be a DSL modem, that's important ;)16:54
Bomster[17:53:49] <Bomster> Also, if its wireless N, can I still connect my phone?16:54
MartijnVdSBomster: if you want features, try this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004EBGQYU16:54
AlanBellwireless G devices can connect to N routers16:54
BomsterOkay16:55
MartijnVdSBomster: you can connect analog, ISDN, SIP or wireless DECT phones to that :)16:55
BomsterLittle over my price point16:55
MartijnVdSBomster: that's the top-of-the-line model16:55
shaunothe only problem I run into with phones, is that if I set to 5GHz only, our phones can't connect to it16:55
BomsterI'm only 19, just moved into my first flat so value is my main aim16:55
MartijnVdSshauno: hence the concurrent dualband suggestion16:56
shaunoright16:56
MartijnVdSshauno: 2.4 AND 5 ghz, not OR16:56
Bomsterkk16:56
BomsterWant to spend <£5016:56
BomsterAs that's how much Plusnet charge for their router16:56
shaunoI mostly like 5GHz because I have zero contention with my neighbours there :)  but 2.4 is a must, so the phones don't sit on 3g at home16:57
AlanBellthey charged me £4.9516:57
BomsterYeah, but I don't want a 12 month contract16:57
BomsterSo they charge £5016:57
AlanBelloh, ok16:57
BomsterWhat you guys think about this - http://www.yoyotech.co.uk/item-detail.php?products_id=437394916:57
BomsterThamks alot for all the help everyone btw16:57
MartijnVdSbelkin is good16:57
MartijnVdSusually16:58
BomsterWhat does the 5Ghz thing do?16:58
Bomsterjust faster?16:58
MartijnVdSBomster: It's a different frequency band16:59
gordjust fyi, i recently threw away a wireless N belkin router because its firmware was the worst firmware i have seen in my life16:59
gordi do not recommend, especially the cheeper ones16:59
MartijnVdSBomster: which means less interference from "old" (b/g) devices16:59
MartijnVdSOK, the TP-Link one is better then17:00
gordi replaced it with this, which has so far been just wonderful http://www.ebuyer.com/176084-netgear-wireless-n-dual-band-adsl-modem-router-dgnd3300-100uks17:00
* MartijnVdS stays with his old crappy modem for a few more months17:00
MartijnVdS500/500 fibre is coming :)17:01
MartijnVdS(yes thats 500/500 mbit with no usage caps)17:01
Bomsterback - sorry was on the phone to Plusnet17:02
Bomster£102 is just way out of my price bracket unfortunatley17:03
BomsterI could maybe fo to £6017:03
BomsterI've already got to pay £50 instalation fee17:03
Bomster£25 so not to have a contract17:03
MartijnVdSdoesn't installation come with a modem?17:03
BomsterNo17:03
BomsterInstallation fee is for my line17:03
BomsterI've only just moved in to this place17:03
shaunono freebies without a contract. otherwise they're out of pocket if you cancel in a couple of months time17:04
Bomsteryeah of course17:04
shauno(fwiw, I don't find a contract on my isp to be such a bad thing.  I have a 12 month lease on the place, so having a 12month minimum on internets works for me)17:05
Bomsteryeah, my lease is 6 months17:05
BomsterI plan on moving in 8 maybe17:05
Bomsterotherwise I would just go for contract17:06
shaunoah, gotcha17:06
MartijnVdSBomster: I'd go for the TP-Link one you linked earlier17:06
BomsterCheers17:06
BomsterAlanBell - what is the router that you got from Plusnet like?17:08
AlanBellsmall, black, has a yellow wire17:08
BomsterI have a Netgear DG834GT here that a friend gave to me17:08
AlanBellit is a Netgear WNR1000 v3. Not plugged it in yet, it only arrived this morning17:09
BomsterThats wireless N?17:09
MartijnVdSBomster: That's the 3rd generation of Wifi/wireless ethernet17:10
AlanBellthink I am going to have to do some electrical engineering to add a new power socket near the front door17:10
AlanBellwireless N, yes17:10
MartijnVdSBomster: first, there were A (5 GHz, 54 Mbit) and B (2.4GHz, 11 Mbit), then G came (upgrade to B, 54 MBit)17:10
Bomsterso, its G?17:11
MartijnVdSBomster: then N came, which is up to 450 MBit (150MBit per antenna), on either (or both) 2.4 or 5GHz17:11
BomsterI see17:11
MartijnVdSBomster: so N is an upgrade to both A and G17:11
Bomsteryeah I get that17:11
BomsterN is the best17:11
BomsterThey person on the Plusnet chat said - Thomson Speed Touch 585v 717:11
Bomsterthat is what I will get17:11
MartijnVdSthomson.. *shudder*17:11
BomsterNot the Netgear WNR1000 v317:11
* MartijnVdS has had 2 Thomsons, never again17:11
AlanBellyeah, mine isn't an ADSL modem17:12
Bomsteroh yeah.. GTTC17:12
Bomster*FTTC17:12
AlanBellthere will be another fibre to the cabinet modem that plugs into this router's WAN port17:12
MartijnVdSAlanBell: VDSL?17:12
AlanBellfibre to the cabinet, I don't have the clever bit yet, just an ethernet/wireless router17:13
MartijnVdSAlanBell: so you get plain ethernet into your house, from the cabinet?17:13
MartijnVdSAlanBell: because in .nl FTTC means VDSL2 :)17:13
BomsterAlanBell are you getting this fibre for free?17:13
Bomsterlike are they using you as a guinie pig?17:14
AlanBellMartijnVdS: no idea, they replace the BT master socket where the telephone comes in17:14
AlanBellBomster: nope, not free17:15
BomsterHow much are they charging?17:15
AlanBell£16.49 per month17:15
Bomsterthats cheap17:16
AlanBell£50 setup, £5 to set up a static IP address, £4.95 P&P for the router I got today17:16
MartijnVdSAlanBell: it's VDSL, according to internets :)17:16
AlanBellmust be true then :)17:17
MartijnVdSAlanBell: everything in the internets is true, you know that :)17:17
BomsterAlanBell, did they offer that to you then? Not on website I presume as FTTC is being trialed by them?17:22
BomsterHandy that you get a static IP in there too17:22
MartijnVdSIPv6 would be even cooler to get17:25
* mattt sings rebecca black's 'friday'17:26
AlanBellBomster: yeah, they wrote to me, but it is the same deal on their website I think17:26
AlanBellif you have a postcode that the checker likes17:26
MartijnVdSmattt: There's also "Friday Night" by Lily Allen, if you want bad music ;)17:26
matttMartijnVdS: MartijnVdS that's remotely listenable at least :)17:30
bigcalmnfs help please? :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/654639/17:38
BomsterAlanBell, what is your Plusnet username17:41
BomsterI'm now signing yp17:41
Bomsterand I can reccomend someone17:41
BomsterMartijnVdS, if your ISP offers IPv6, what does that mean, what do you get?17:42
BomsterAlanBell, hurry up lad17:42
AlanBellum, one sec17:42
BomsterYou get a reward apparantly17:43
MartijnVdSBomster: You don't just get an (IPv4) IP, you get IPv6 as well17:43
BomsterHow does that benefit you, why would you want an IPv6?17:43
MartijnVdSBomster: which is good, as IPv4 addresses have run out17:43
BomsterI see17:43
AlanBellBomster: alanbell117:44
Bomsterso its now impossible to get a static IPv4?17:44
Bomsterkk, shall I put it in alanbell?17:44
AlanBellgo ahead, no idea what it will do :)17:44
AlanBellbut thanks!17:44
Bomsterno worries :)17:44
AlanBellanyone using Asterisk with some kind of control panel thing that works?17:46
MartijnVdSBomster: no ISPs still have IPs left, but all networks have been assigned to regional registries (and they'll run out soon, then the ISPs will run out eventually)17:46
MartijnVdSBomster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_deployment17:46
MartijnVdSBomster: and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion17:47
Bomstercheers will take a look17:47
MartijnVdSBomster: summary 'having ipv6 available makes you ready for the future'17:48
BomsterI see, future proof17:49
shaunoatm, I see it not so much as future-proof for my connection, but for me.  we're going to end up usig v6 one day, whether we like it or not.  the more I know about it before that happens, the better17:49
MartijnVdSfor now, yes17:50
shaunoit's already showing up at work, because it's already a purchasing requirement for several usgovt contracts.  so learning about it now is ftw17:52
hamitronstill no news on my ISP fixing minecraft17:57
hamitron:/17:57
MartijnVdSyour ISP broke minecraft?17:57
hamitronmonths ago17:57
shaunohow?17:58
hamitronminecraft and openttd network traffic get lost17:58
MartijnVdSaww17:58
MartijnVdSGood thing we have net neutrality here :)17:58
hamitronI can play minecraft via tunnel17:58
shaunodidn't someone declare openttd a basic human right lately?  ;)17:58
MartijnVdShamitron: isn't tunneling the point of mc anyway?17:59
hamitronhaha17:59
hamitronI'm gonna keep complaining till they do something17:59
hamitronor leave them17:59
hamitronbut as I am the master of complaining, still got plenty left in my system17:59
hamitron;)17:59
BomsterAlanBell - Our Referral scheme gives you a monthly discount for every person that joins us from your recommendation. It's as simple as that. All they need to do is add your username when they sign up and you'll see your monthly bill go down.18:03
AlanBellheh, nice :)18:03
BomsterWanna send the reductions back to me on Paypal? XD18:04
AlanBellheh, no ;)18:05
AlanBellbut I am sure you can reccommend it to someone else18:05
BomsterPay it forward.18:05
AlanBellI didn't have that option when I signed up because I was transferring from an ISP they bought18:06
daubersEvening18:11
MartijnVdS\o daubers18:11
daubers:)18:14
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Psychobudgiewhat on earth18:31
MartijnVdSdaubers: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5987897531/18:31
PsychobudgieI appear to be banned from offtopic as someone else was misbehaving and the op decided that using the tab key to autocomplete on a ban in a channel with over 100 people was  good plan18:32
Psychobudgieawesome18:32
Psychobudgiedid they draw straws for ops ?18:33
MartijnVdSPsychobudgie: please don't complain about other channels in this one, take it up with the ops and/or irc council18:33
Psychobudgieirc council? Is that like the justice league?18:34
MartijnVdShttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil18:34
shaunomy advice would be to a) take it to #ubuntu-ops, and b) approach it as a "heh, whoops", rather than "you blundering fool".  it'll get you much further much quicker18:35
PsychobudgieI would take it up with the ops but they have banned me from the channel while I was idle and despite a message apologising and telling me I'm not banned, I am18:35
AlanBellPsychobudgie: one sec . . .18:35
daubersMartijnVdS: Cool18:36
AlanBellPsychobudgie: can you try to join #ubuntu-ops again please18:37
MartijnVdSdaubers: should be perfect for a 21:9 cinema-style screen ;)18:37
MartijnVdSAlanBell: you're in this too -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5987897531/18:37
ali1234what's the best database for a large number of binary strings? postgres?18:42
MartijnVdSali1234: "binary strings", as in 101011101118:42
ali1234yeah basically18:42
MartijnVdSor as in 8-bit bytes18:42
ali1234arbitrary binary blobs18:42
MartijnVdSah18:42
MartijnVdSthe filesystem ;)18:42
ali1234all of length 2048 bytes18:42
ali1234no, the filesystem is no good, i need to select18:42
MartijnVdSCHAR(2048)18:42
ali1234well yeah18:43
ali1234postgres actually has a special datatype for such things18:43
ali1234i have a dataset of 4,000,000 strings18:43
ali1234i need to process them18:43
MartijnVdSali1234: rainbow tables? :)18:43
ali1234i want to do it in distributed style18:43
ali1234so i need clients to connect to the database to get work18:44
MartijnVdSali1234: if you want to do it truly distributed, look at hadoop&friends :)18:44
ali1234best way to implement this?18:44
MartijnVdSali1234: it's a map/reduce framework that scales to massive amounts of CPUs, and is cool :)18:44
ali1234i could use a rainbow table for this but it would be 2048*360^2 bytes long18:45
ali1234which is quite big18:45
MartijnVdSali1234: check out the Hadoop intro by Cloudera18:46
ali1234sorry, 2048*2^36018:46
MartijnVdSali1234: but if you only have 4M records, postgresql might be fine18:46
AlanBellali1234: heh, I was just about to say it wasn't very big18:46
MartijnVdSali1234: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq0x2z69syM18:46
ali1234hadoop is java?18:52
ali1234no thanks18:52
ali1234i need something that works with python18:53
MartijnVdSali1234: there is a python interface to it18:53
MartijnVdSyou can even use bash scripts :)18:53
ali1234i need something that works with python and has zero annoying external dependencies like "a jvm"18:53
MartijnVdSsqlite then18:53
ali1234or postgres18:54
ali1234or i suppose i could just roll my own18:54
MartijnVdSthat requires hardware ;)18:54
ali1234um18:54
ali1234anything requires hardware18:54
MartijnVdSpg requires more than sqlite18:54
ali1234not really18:55
ali1234also sqlite cannot be access remotely18:55
ali1234i'm talking about clients18:56
ali1234if i use postgres and my own python scripts, then the client nodes only need python, numpy, scipy installed18:57
ali1234if i use hadoop, then every client has to have a jvm installed on it18:57
MartijnVdSuhm, no18:58
MartijnVdSBut: what problem are you trying to solve? Why 2048 bytes of binary data? Structured? Anything?18:59
ali12342048 samples18:59
MartijnVdSsensor data? audio? video?19:00
ali1234yes19:00
ali1234the sensor type is not important19:00
ali1234it is a sample of a NRZ signal 360 bytes long, which has been filtered through a gaussian filter and then noise added19:01
MartijnVdSI'd still look at hadoop, or some hadoop-style system19:01
ali1234360 bits sorry19:01
ali1234recovery of the orignal NRZ signal is performed by 1. gaussian filter the samples, 2. perform a byte partitioning and find the lowest and highest bit in each byte - those are 0 and 1 (every byte has odd parity)19:02
ali1234then loop through all possible signals until you find the one which, when convolved with the same gaussian filter as step 1, matches the observed samples19:02
MartijnVdSali1234: sounds like map, map, reduce19:02
MartijnVdSor map, reduce, reduce19:02
ali1234it's not19:03
ali1234iterating through the set of possible signals is done... well, iteratively19:03
ali1234it doesn't check every single one19:03
MartijnVdSah19:03
ali1234if i did that it would take... well, longer than the age of the universe19:03
ali1234instead it finds the best first byte, then the best second byte etc19:04
ali1234and it does not test impossible bytes based on the previous ones19:04
ali1234the only step that can be split out between machines is the top level19:04
ali1234which is trivial... just split the data set into chunks and send one chunk to each machine19:04
ali1234but i need to keep track of the status of each chunk19:04
ali1234that's all i need19:05
ali1234in simplest terms, i have a directory full of files19:06
ali1234each time a client connects, send them the next file in the directory19:06
ali1234each time the client sends back processed data, write that in another directory19:06
ali1234if a file isn't returned within x time, send it out to the next client19:07
ali1234i don't even need to store the actual data in the db19:08
ali1234just the status of each file19:08
MartijnVdShave you tried asking python people?19:08
MartijnVdSlots of sciency people in that community19:08
ali1234nah19:08
MartijnVdSwho know their way around weird and interesting data19:09
ali1234i realise now that the database doesn't even matter19:09
ali1234i can use sqlite19:09
ali1234it won't make any difference19:09
ali1234it will only have 170000 rows maximum19:09
ali1234everyone who i described this to has been like "wut?" so far19:10
ali1234except one person, who told me to use FFT instead... but FFT doesn't work on NRZ signals very well19:10
brobostigon!info get-iplayer19:14
lubotu3get-iplayer (source: get-iplayer): download/stream available BBC iPlayer TV and radio programmes. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.79-1 (natty), package size 106 kB, installed size 480 kB19:14
brobostigoncool :)19:14
dwatkinsyeah, assuming they don't stop it from being able to work, get-iplayer is ace19:51
brobostigonyes.19:52
brobostigonquite.19:52
shaunotouch wood, it's been ticking away quite nicely for a good while now19:58
shaunohopefully ntl will come up with a dvr that isn't utter pants, before get-iplayer breaks19:59
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Coffee Car World Record, Powered By Bacon - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/29/coffee-car-world-record-powered-by-bacon/20:14
brobostigongood night, sleep well.21:11
* AlanBell is the proud new owner of softwarefreedom.biz21:40
popeyheh21:43
popeynothing says professional like ".biz" :p21:43
AlanBellat least you can get a domain with less than 40 letters in it!21:44
AlanBell.org is crazy busy21:44
AlanBell.com moreso21:44
AlanBellnot totally convinced by it yet, but at $5.99 it seemed worth nabbing21:45
popeybar-gain21:46
BigRedSdomains are way too easy to buy...21:46
popeyi need to test the webcam on this meenee21:46
popeyanyone fancy jumping on google plus hangouts?21:47
BigRedSgoogle doesn't approve of my browser :(21:47
popeyLinks?21:47
BigRedSIcweasel 3.x21:48
popeyoookay21:48
BigRedShaha21:48
popeyright, online21:49
* AlanBell is hanging out with popey and popey 21:53
AlanBelllooks like popey is about to join in too21:53
gordthree popey's might be one too many22:00
ali1234hmm firefox seems to have semi-fixed their font hinting22:28
ali1234it's not completely horrid now22:28
AlanBellhttp://www.farnham.gov.uk/visit/parks-gardens/gostrey-meadow.html22:35
Azelphurali1234: woo, happy donations bar is happy. http://game.azelphur.com/22:45
Azelphurfirst time I havn't had to pay for the server in a while \o/22:46
BigRedSwhoop!23:02
StevenRurrgh. lots of sr 8:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device23:02
StevenRI wish there was a way to just say "usb reset"23:03
ali1234there is23:03
ali1234unload all the modules23:03
ali1234the reload them23:03
StevenRali1234: I can't. Some of them are built in.23:04
MezIf popey is going to talk at a conference... do not buy him a parrot :D23:05
MezDaviey: run, you're in trouble.23:10
Mezdidn't realise everyone was going ... :(23:15
ali1234http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/teletext/300.html23:41

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