[01:26] <Azelphur> haha, my server just went under quite a fun attack
[01:26] <Azelphur> 10 guys all organized on mumble with a botnet behind them
[01:26] <Azelphur> beat them all on 3 minutes and they moved on, scrubs :P
[01:27] <ali1234> why do people attack your site?
[01:27] <ali1234> is it because they suck at TF2?
[01:28] <Azelphur> ali1234: all 10 of them decided to use aimbots and speedhacks
[01:28] <Azelphur> so I did a mass ban targeting the lot of them all in one shot
[01:28] <ali1234> how do you detect that stuff?
[01:28] <Azelphur> player reports and manual checking
[01:29] <ali1234> why hasn't someone invented an aimbot that plays badly when you're already winning?
[01:29] <Azelphur> haha
[01:29] <Azelphur> afterwards they used their botnet to target my SourceIRC relay
[01:29] <Azelphur> which just relayed their attack and didn't choke in the slightest, which was rather hilarious.
[01:30] <Azelphur> banned the entire botnet in one shot, so they came after me in a query, qlined the lot of them
[01:30] <ali1234> do peopl ejust go nuts, when they are using abot?
[01:30] <Azelphur> and they ran off with their tails behind their legs
[01:30] <ali1234> a like, steamroller everyone?
[01:30] <Azelphur> I promptly went to their mumble and laughed at them for extra victory.
[01:30] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea
[01:31] <Azelphur> I'm tempted to run the SQL denial of service attack on their mumble and shut down their C&C
[01:31] <Azelphur> but then that would make me bad too :(
[01:32] <ali1234> i should probably try to play TF2 since i downloaded it now it's free
[01:32] <Azelphur> :)
[01:34] <ali1234> i think steam is broken
[01:34] <ali1234> my install that is
[01:34] <Azelphur> hehe
[01:34] <ali1234> oh joy an update
[01:35] <ali1234> seems like everyone has a botnet these days
[01:36] <ali1234> is it really that easy?
[01:36] <Azelphur> ali1234: sure
[01:38] <ali1234> well i got to the server list and then it crashed
[01:38] <Azelphur> haha
[01:38] <ali1234> oh, tag search is just really slow
[01:39] <ali1234> it searches every time you type a letter
[01:39] <ali1234> searching takes 10 seconds
[01:40] <Azelphur> haha
[01:49] <ali1234> hats.....
[01:50] <Azelphur> hats everywhere....
[02:32] <ali1234> this is better than i expected
[02:32] <ali1234> ...but then it crashed
[04:27] <Myrtti> AlanBell:
[04:28] <Myrtti> AlanBell: no, but thanks for the offer
[04:40] <ball> What's a simple arcade game that I can use to test a control pad?
[04:42] <shauno> centipede :)
[05:42] <justinBUJITSUBRO> good night every  one
[07:18] <DJones> Morning all
[07:23] <diplo> Morning all
[07:30] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[07:43] <popey> morning all
[07:48] <Apacheuk> morning everyone
[08:03] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[08:04] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[08:04]  * BigRedS slopes off for some coffee
[08:11] <bigcalm> Recomendations for a iTunes replacement in Ubuntu? I only use it for audio and video podcasts
[08:14] <oimon> gpodder?
[08:14] <oimon> it's a single task app that does its job well
[08:19] <BigRedS> yeah, I like gpodder for podcasts
[09:01] <bigcalm> Ta, I'll take a look
[09:05] <GreenDance> Hi
[09:06] <popey> hello
[09:06] <GreenDance> :)
[09:07] <GreenDance> *waves*
[09:08] <GreenDance> I got a second hand server (recycled), it had Windows 2008 Server installed, wiped it off and Installed Ubuntu Server LTS :D
[09:08] <bigcalm> \o/
[09:09] <xapel> Is there a way to sync gmail contacts with thunderbird? If not, will there be one by the time Oneiric is released?
[09:11] <oimon> xapel: i think there is an add-on called zandu
[09:11] <oimon> zindus
[09:12] <GreenDance> popey: single core, 2.4 gb cpu, 2 gb ram, 60 gb hdd, :)
[09:20] <bigcalm> Struggling to remember what I was subscribed to in iTunes. I've remembered UUPC, CarPool and David Mitchell's Soap Box
[09:21] <oimon> linux action show?
[09:21] <bigcalm> Nope
[09:21] <oimon> gardeners world? ant farmer weekly
[09:21] <bigcalm> Ah, The Friday Night Comedy Podcast
[09:23] <bigcalm> Solid Steel as well
[09:24] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/Podcasts
[09:24] <bigcalm> Humm, no rss feed for solidsteel
[09:28] <GreenDance> for a remote server, is there a linux command to say how much memory is installed in a server, e.g. 512mb
[09:30] <DJones> GreenDance: If you run Top, it'll tell you how much memory there is on about the 3rd line next to the MEM heading
[09:30] <popey> or cat /proc/meminfo
[09:32] <GreenDance> DJones top displays in K not mb/gb
[09:32] <popey> why does that matter?
[09:32] <popey> free -g
[09:32] <GreenDance> easier to read?
[09:33] <popey> or indeed free -m
[09:34] <GreenDance> thanks
[09:51] <gord> Ng, hey hey, having fun times with terminator, so i went into the background options to adjust the transparency of my terminal . but for some reason the slider was locked at 0.0, now my entire terminal is 100% transparent and i can't see anything :)
[09:55] <dwatkins> Clearly it's adapting to take out its revenge on you, gord - check for red LEDs and signs of time travel.
[09:58] <gord> ended up finding and editing the config file :)
[10:12] <oimon> good news about ubuntu one..shame it's going really slowly now though :(
[10:13] <oimon> by slowly i mean not working :P
[10:13] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Kwabena Aning] MySQL and Scala  Simple selects - http://blog.kaning.co.uk/archives/298
[10:17] <Apacheuk> oimon: whats the new re UbuntuOne?
[10:17] <oimon> basic users now get 5GB of storage, plus other news
[10:18] <Apacheuk> oimon: do you have a link handy to a press release?
[10:18] <oimon> http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/?p=1023
[10:18] <oimon> they are also on twitter http://twitter.com/#!/ubuntuone
[10:19] <oimon> 1 million U1 users is really good
[10:19] <Apacheuk> oimon: cheers, I do follow them on twitter, but it must have got lost in the normal avalanche
[10:19] <bigcalm> I still haven't used all of my dropbox space and it's available on every platform
[10:19] <bigcalm> Ho hum
[10:21] <oimon> my file upload is currently stuck though :(
[10:21]  * popey grumbles that he still cant use U1
[10:23] <oimon> popey: i hear the windows version is about to get some love
[10:25] <popey> still no proxy support
[10:25] <AlanBell> use tsocks maybe
[10:26] <davmor2> popey: tunnel out of the proxy ;)
[10:29] <popey> Uh, no.
[10:29] <popey> file sync agent in the background is one of those things that should just sit there and not have to be dicked about with to make it work
[10:30] <popey> also, at work I am on Windows
[10:30] <AlanBell> the client is open source isn't it?
[10:30] <diplo> yeah
[10:30] <popey> yes
[10:31] <AlanBell> got a bug?
[10:31] <popey> yes
[10:31] <popey> bug 633280
[10:31] <diplo> I found windows client raped my cpu
[10:32] <diplo> when it tried syncing
[10:32] <diplo> I manually sync now
[10:32] <popey> hmm, thats one of them
[10:33] <gord> the windows client worked okay for me, would like it to sync my folders too though
[10:33] <popey> bug 387308
[10:33] <popey> thats the main one
[10:33] <popey> with a bazillion duplicates
[10:34] <oimon> who do you have to buy a beer for to get that fixed i wonder
[10:34] <popey> i love the most recent comment
[10:34] <popey> its a triple whammy of proprietaryness
[10:34] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/387308/comments/132
[10:34] <oimon> and trolling :P
[10:34] <popey> * Sent from iphone (check)
[10:34] <popey> * Sent from gmail (check)
[10:35] <popey> * Recommend dropbox (check)
[10:35] <oimon> it's got a lot of votes, that bug
[10:35] <popey> fancy that
[10:35] <popey> this is why I keep suggesting that FLOSS developers should spend a day/week/month/year behind a proxy
[10:35] <popey> so they can see what their app is like for normal people
[10:36] <oimon> since it is a commercial effort, they should fix it even more
[10:36] <gord> i wouldn't know ow to set up a proxy :)
[10:36] <gord> how*
[10:36] <gord> i hate my keyboard...
[10:36] <oimon> gord, it's easy, just turn off direct http access and you'll soon learn :)
[10:37] <oimon> except you'll have to rely on man pages :)
[10:37] <gord> its not a bad idea, i'd like to set it up but i just don't know how, or really have the time/will to sit and learn the linux user way (thrown on to google, have to wade through a billion pages of bad advice, learn the proper way a year later)
[10:38] <oimon> that bug seems typical of those ones where all the users are all RAWR about it, and no dev 'owns' the bug
[10:39] <oimon> there used to be lots of gwibber bugs like that :)
[10:40] <AlanBell> it is a bit non-trivial, but the merge proposal looks reasonable to me and only needs a tiny tweak to get approved
[10:40] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/ubuntuone-client/very-basic-proxy-support-for-stable-1-4/+merge/39910
[10:42] <popey> I have actually played with the source to test that code and couldn't get it working fully
[10:42] <popey> with the latest version of U1
[10:43] <Laney> doesn't use libproxy?
[10:44] <AlanBell> how does one use libproxy Laney, got an example?
[10:44] <Laney> https://code.google.com/p/libproxy/wiki/HowTo :-)
[10:45] <AlanBell> it is going to be 10 lines of code or so to fix it
[10:45] <Laney> I don't know anything about U1, but libproxy is The Proxy Solution
[10:48]  * popey wonders if AlanBell has signed the Canonical Contributor Agreement
[10:48] <AlanBell> nope
[10:48] <popey> alan@wopr:~/Development/u1/ubuntuone-client-1.6.2$ head HACKING
[10:48] <popey> Ubuntu One requires acceptance of the Canonical Contributor Agreement. You
[10:48] <popey> will need to follow the instructions at:
[10:48] <AlanBell> yeah, fine
[10:49] <Laney> you mean contributing code back to upstream requires [...]
[10:49] <AlanBell> all going Harmony soon anyway I guess
[10:50] <AlanBell> not sure that libproxy is the right thing here as the ProxyTunnelFactory thing is part of U1 anyway
[10:50] <Laney> aha, it already has proxy support?
[10:51] <popey> i suspect not
[10:51] <popey> i suspect that is talking about the proxying at the server end
[10:51] <oimon> if somebody estimated how much extra revenue canonical  would gain from getting this feature working, it might stimulate a fix :)
[10:56] <hoover> hi folks
[11:05] <Ng> gord: that doesn't sound good! oneiric?
[11:05] <gord> Ng, yup
[11:05] <Ng> gord: perhaps vte changed something - if you run it from a terminal (hah) does it output any ugly errors?
[11:06] <gord> Ng, only complains about not being able to bind a key combo
[11:07] <Ng> bah
[11:07] <gord> Ng, oh wait, opening the config errors out a bit more
[11:07] <popey> is that a gconf -> gsettings thing?
[11:07] <Ng> we don't use gconf anymore
[11:08] <gord> Ng, http://paste.ubuntu.com/654415/ seems relevant
[11:08] <Ng> aha, yes
[11:09] <Ng> great, more version specific code paths :(
[11:11] <bigcalm> Is there an application that will allow me to see how a blackberry would display emails without having the actual device?
[11:30] <hoover> bigcalm: http://patorjk.com/software/taag/
[11:34] <hoover> ;-)
[12:35] <Bomster> Hi all
[12:35] <dogmatic69> o/
[12:36] <Bomster> Came to ask an off-topic question
[12:36] <Bomster> Can anyone reccomend a good ISP?
[12:37] <Bomster> ?
[12:38] <popey> hi Bomster
[12:38] <popey> you in the UK?
[12:38] <Bomster> Hey man
[12:38] <Bomster> Yeah
[12:39] <dogmatic69> Bomster: http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/phpwm/2011-July/subject.html
[12:39] <popey> are you in a cabled area or not?
[12:39] <Bomster> Ermm.
[12:39] <Bomster> I live in a small town, so I guess not
[12:39] <popey> you can probably find out from virgin media website
[12:39] <popey> samknows is a good website for finding out what is available in your area
[12:39]  * popey has to go and reboot, back in a bit
[12:39] <Bomster> I'm not cabled no
[12:40] <gord> be have been good for me, ADSL isp, good quality, no traffic shaping, no limits, they even have an irc channel on freenode
[12:41] <Bomster> I'm a small exchange pleb.
[12:41] <Bomster> what is their channel?
[12:41] <hoover> cheers all
[12:41] <hoover> have a nice weekend
[12:42] <Bomster> see ya
[12:43] <gord> ah its not on freenode, quakenet, http://irc.beusergroup.co.uk:8080/?channels=Be
[13:40] <oimon> trying out knoppix for the first time in ages, interesting how the kde4 is themed to look a lot like the 3.5 version
[13:47] <gord> heh, found my old dell mini10v. damn that thing was heavy but so cute
[13:59] <oimon> apple has more $$ than the USA: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14340470
[14:00] <AlanBell> the back of my sofa has more money than the USA
[14:12] <ali1234> what's this multiarch stuff about?
[14:13] <ali1234> what's the difference between multiarch and the way it works now in ubuntu?
[14:15] <shauno> you have linkage?
[14:15] <oimon> http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110726b
[14:15] <Daviey> ali1234: You can run i386 apps on amd64.
[14:15] <Daviey> and more such stuff.
[14:16] <awilkins> They are using my street to train guide dogs
[14:16] <shauno> you kinda already can, but "and in the future will even allow live migrations from 32-bit to 64-bit systems." would be a big deal
[14:16] <ali1234> but i can already do that...
[14:16] <awilkins> Constant "good girl!" coming through the window
[14:17] <ali1234> i was looking for a slightly more technical explanation :)
[14:17] <oimon> there's a talk on it: http://penta.debconf.org/dc11_schedule/events/747.en.html
[14:17] <awilkins> http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/TheCaseForMultiarch
[14:17] <ali1234> i've read that too :)
[14:18] <ali1234> watching the talk now...
[14:18] <oimon> there's slides too :)
[14:18] <shauno> I'd be curious if it comes anywhere close to multiarch in osx.  (puts fanboy cape on) it kinda makes x86_64 support in linux look outright awkward
[14:19] <BigRedS> doesnt osx's multiarch come from some handy side-effect of the structure of the kernel?
[14:19] <gord> is there really that much 32bit stuff installed on a 64bit machine?
[14:20] <shauno> I believe so, yeah. it lets them put multiple blobs in the same binary
[14:20] <oimon> ia32-libs [is now] the biggest source package in Debian. -Tollef Fog Heen
[14:21] <shauno> the header for the executable (or library) lets them point different arch to different offsets, so you can stick ppc, i386, and x86_64 in the same binary. and wherever you run it, it'll use the most appropriate offset
[14:22] <shauno> which is really nice in practice.  if I copy something from my laptop to my wife's, it'll run on her in 32bit.  if I put my whole harddrive in hers, the whole OS will run in 32bit.  it's completely transparent
[14:24] <gord> doesn't sound transparent, sounds bleeding complicated ;)
[14:24] <ali1234> ok... i think i understand this
[14:25] <shauno> well, by transparent, I mean she'll never notice it's there
[14:25] <oimon> surely means big binaries
[14:25] <ali1234> the old way, you have the standard arch packages, plus you have a package for "32bit <package> on 64 bit arch" eg ia32-libs
[14:25] <ali1234> with multiarch you can just install the same packages but from different arch, side by side
[14:26] <shauno> by complicated, I think of things like ubuntu.com/download calling 32-bit 'recommended' for desktops, and 64-bit 'recommended' for servers. being that most my of servers are virtualised, I wouldn't agree with either of those recommendations
[14:26] <ali1234> and the actual runtime execution works the same way
[14:27] <shauno> if they could make a base system that's essentially agnostic, and pick the right packages to install on top of it, that choice would disappear, and let it just 'get it right' itself
[14:28] <AlanBell> any reason not to run 64 bit virtualised servers shauno?
[14:29] <AlanBell> I run 64bit everywhere because it is twice as good ;)
[14:29] <oimon> the only reason i can think of is the need to run certain 32-bit proprietary software
[14:29] <AlanBell> like what?
[14:30] <ali1234> i have a virtual server with a 64 bit root and a 32 bit chroot which is also symlinked to lib32
[14:30] <gord> AlanBell, no, its 32 more good!
[14:30] <shauno> I don't actually know the reason, but last I heard, bitfolk only support 32bit guests
[14:31] <ali1234> (actually, it's 2^32 times as good)
[14:32] <BigRedS> AlanBell: only that not all hosts support 64-bit guests
[14:32] <BigRedS> well, that used to be the case. I can't think of any now but I've not been paying attention
[14:32] <shauno> https://tools.bitfolk.com/redmine/issues/27    that's pretty much all I know on the issue :)
[14:32] <shauno> I'm not even clear whether that means I can't have a 64bit guest, or that they don't provide 64bit images
[14:33] <oimon> i use redmine too :)
[14:33] <BigRedS> shauno: it's just that they don't support it
[14:33] <BigRedS> the main problem appears to be that they never have, and they've never started, so they still don't :)
[14:33] <popey> shauno: join #bitfolk on irc.blitzed.org and ask them?
[14:33] <shauno> BigRedS, yeah, I get that much.  but not sure if it's hardware support, software support, or wetware
[14:33] <BigRedS> shauno: wetware by the looks of it
[14:34] <shauno> but I do agree with them that I don't see a real benefit for 64 on a <1Gb VM
[14:34] <shauno> (besides needed to move time to a 64bit int sometime in the next 30 years ;)
[14:35] <popey> \o/ Y2K38 day!
[14:36] <shauno> it is an interesting question tho, and one that leads me to wonder why 64 isn't recommended for desktops if it's that simple ;)
[14:37] <awilkins> Inertia, I suspect
[14:37] <awilkins> And wireless drivers
[14:37] <awilkins> For things which are stuck with wrapped 32-bit windows drivers
[14:37] <shauno> the main culprit I've been aware of is adobe never being quite clear on whether flash is going to be x86_64 or not (they seem to change their mind every 2 weeks)
[14:38] <awilkins> The 64-bit version of flash seems fine now
[14:38] <awilkins> And mainstream - although the alphas have worked well for me for a long while too
[14:38] <BigRedS> I think it's mostly that a few years ago there was a reasonable chance that any given PC didn't have a 64-bit processor. That's less true now
[14:38] <BigRedS> but most people wont notice the difference anwyay
[14:39] <awilkins> One would think the 64-bit version of Flash was more secure just because the pointer boundaries are different :-)
[14:39] <shauno> I try not to put secure and flash in the same sentence :)
[14:39] <awilkins> Yeah, few people want more than 4GB in a process
[14:39] <awilkins> THe kernel supports PAE out of the box, so they will be able to use their extended RAM
[14:40] <awilkins> It's only a concern for nutcases like me who need to be able to allocate 5GB of heap space to a Java program
[14:40] <oimon> funny that the vps provider doesn't want 64 bit for the same reason why i wouldn't install a 32bit server
[14:40] <awilkins> And media mavens who want that extra performance
[14:42] <shauno> just saying I can see the use for multiarch, if you can make this the system's problem rather than the user's problem
[14:44] <shauno> I know for most my family, if you asked them how many bits their computer was, they'd either have no idea at all.  or just start counting the bits they can see
[14:44] <oimon> to be fair i don't notice any difference
[14:45] <oimon> in performance
[14:46] <oimon> but from sysadmin POV i prefer less "fragmentation"
[14:46] <shauno> I've managed to benchmark a repeatable 1% gain in whatever metric it is they invented.  which I wouldn't call noticable at all
[14:46] <oimon> some maths packages get a much better perf gain, but that is not average desktop use
[14:46] <oimon> when flash performs much better my ears would prick up
[14:47] <shauno> but something like skype only providing 64bit builds wouldn't be insane in the mid-near future.  and telling everyone you 'recommended' a 32bit OS to they need to reinstall to update skype, is going to be messy
[14:48] <awilkins> esp since MS bought Skype
[14:48] <oimon> yeah, hopefully they would be happy using the same version of skype until the next LTS
[14:49] <awilkins> "Oh, you want Skype? Better upgrade to a version of Windows that has a decent 64 bit version then. Oh, wait, that doesn't include XP? Never mind, eh?"
[14:49] <shauno> awilkins, not bashing msft for it at all, skype's just an interesting example because linux has always felt like it received minimum effort from them (but it's still highly desirable amongst end-users)
[14:49] <BigRedS> oimon: we've a bunch of x86 and a slightly smaller bunch of amd64 machines here, most of the time I don't reall know which I'm on at any given time. The difference is quite nominal from a sysadmin POV IME
[14:50] <awilkins> shauno, Skype has the dubious pleasure of being one of two pieces of software I pay for (for SkypeOut credit, not the client) on Linux
[14:50] <shauno> BigRedS, I'd assume he means stuff like having to keep different install images, etc.  double the disk space if you keep a local apt cache, etc
[14:51] <oimon> however i'm about to roll out RH6.1 to desktops running i5 processors..need to decide on 32 or 64 for the staff/users
[14:51] <shauno> not the systems themselves, but the administrivia of having to double up on everything
[14:51] <awilkins> shauno, In both cases, the applications I pay for have open-source analogs, they just don't do the job as well as the payware
[14:51] <BigRedS> ah yeah. we're an apt mirror so that's not an issue - our apt-cache also has MIPS and what on it :)
[14:52] <oimon> i setup a multiboot usb stick...guess what the only thing that fails is? UBCD4WIN
[14:52] <oimon> all other are linux distros
[14:53] <shauno> I've been trying to do something similar lately.  except apple's EFI implementation makes it rather murderous :)
[14:54] <shauno> finally managed to get grub-efi to boot loopback isos (except you lose the console mid-boot) and apple's hardware test (which also explodes mid-boot).  can never tell if I'm making progress, or digging the hole deeper
[14:59] <shauno> if I can get loopback to work without the screen disappearing, I'll finally be able to install natty natively :)
[15:15] <Bomster> Ahh, been spending all day trying to find a good ISP deal, and at the end of all of it, think I'ma have to go for Plusnet. Arghhhh.
[15:15] <AlanBell> Bomster: I have plusnet FTTC being installed next week
[15:15] <Bomster> Lucky f****r.
[15:15] <Bomster> Geek envy.
[15:16] <AlanBell> they seem quite good on the phone, didn't blink when I said I was using Linux, static IP address was no problem
[15:21] <BigRedS> Is there a way to programatically interfere with screen?
[15:21] <BigRedS> I want to, from within a screen session, rename it
[15:21] <BigRedS> well, rename the, er, screen. not the session. Equivalent of ctr-A,shift-a
[15:24] <ali1234> can be done with a screenrc and connecting to the existing session
[15:27] <Bomster> AlanBell where do you live then? Not specifiacally
[15:27] <Bomster> The question is more, why are you getting FTTC?
[15:27] <Bomster> TTTT
[15:28] <AlanBell> surrey
[15:28] <BigRedS> tea to the table?
[15:28] <Bomster> lol
[15:28] <Bomster> I live in East Anglia, and there is virtually no FTTC here.
[15:29] <Bomster> like 3 or 4 exchanges in the whole area, which is terrible considering it consists of two of the largest counties in the country.
[15:30] <gord> there is FTTC here, but i'm waiting for Be to offer a service
[15:30] <BigRedS> they're large counties preciesly because they are (or maybe were) sparsely populated
[15:30] <gord> everyone else has been too expensive or bandwidth limited
[15:30] <BigRedS> I've no idea how much of my internets is fibre or copper. It's Be and quite quick, though.
[15:30] <Bomster> ADSL
[15:30] <gord> BigRedS, if its Be then its copper :)
[15:30] <BigRedS> ah, I like copper
[15:30] <gord> Be are the fastest copper i'v had though so thats nice
[15:31] <Bomster> There is cable, copper and fibre right.
[15:31] <BigRedS> yeah, though cable is copper
[15:31] <gord> also wimax
[15:31] <gord> we have bt wifi in this area, its crap
[15:31] <Bomster> I can't get BE. My exhange isn't even ADSL2 let alone LLU enabled.
[15:31] <gord> had to use it for a week before my adsl got setup =\
[15:31] <Bomster> WiMax suxks,
[15:31] <BigRedS> cable, phone and fibre I suppose. But when people say 'copper' they normally mean phoen copper not telly copper
[15:32] <Bomster> 8MB maximum.. great!
[15:32] <gord> i get 3mbit ADSL here thanks :P
[15:32] <Bomster> lol
[15:32] <gord> the wifi was about half a mbit
[15:32] <Bomster> solid 300kb/s?
[15:33] <gord> 3mbit is not 300kb/s
[15:33] <Bomster> it normally converts like that when it comes to download speeds though
[15:33] <Bomster> 10%.
[15:33] <gord> well no, its 12% + overhead + rand()
[15:33] <Bomster> But I know 3MBps≠300kb/s
[15:34] <Bomster> 10% rougle then
[15:34] <Bomster> *roughly :)
[15:34]  * DJones looked at that and wonder why south african currency came into the calculation
[15:34] <Bomster> lol
[15:36] <gord> fibre would be niiice though, hopefully once more of the country has fibre we can get some higher quality services
[15:37] <Bomster> Fibre expected in East Anglia by 2035
[15:37] <Bomster> lol
[15:38] <Bomster> Oh well, atleast we have 4G on the way by 2020
[15:38] <Bomster> Faceplam.
[15:38] <Bomster> *Facepalm.
[15:40] <DJones> Bomster: Sounds like you're asking for everything, ultrafast broadband, good prices etc, be satisfied with what you've got, electricity and carrier pidgeons, I can think of a few places that would be happy with that :)
[15:42] <Bomster> DJones Yeah agreed, I'm having a moany day.
[15:43] <DJones> I get those as well
[15:43] <Bomster> Would just be nice to have what alot of other contries in the EU.
[15:43] <Bomster> and in the Stated
[15:43] <Bomster> can't help but feel we are constantly lagging behind with many things, not just technology.
[15:43] <BigRedS> we do, as a country, have that
[15:43] <BigRedS> jsut not everywhere
[15:43] <BigRedS> same as, well, most countries
[15:43] <Bomster> like with electric cars as an example..
[15:43] <BigRedS> there's a lot of horrific internet in the us
[15:44] <Bomster> Yeah, I have heard horror stories.
[15:44] <Bomster> lol
[15:45] <Bomster> But us compared to Germany, Sweeden, Denmark and even France.. were far behind.
[15:45] <Bomster> *we're
[15:46] <Bomster> Anyway, like you said DJones, we really should be greatful. And if I saw someone else writing what I'm writing I would they there were a douche.
[15:46] <Bomster>   /rant
[15:46] <DJones> Heh
[15:50] <gord> i'm not grateful at all :P
[15:51] <Bomster> Well, you're on 3MB
[15:51] <Bomster> lol
[15:51] <Bomster> You could get a better connection in a 3rd world country..
[15:58] <DJones> Is this the worlds ugliest ebook reader/tablet/...? http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41306/binatone-readme-mobile-android-device
[15:59] <oimon> no, just the desktop wallpaper
[16:00] <DJones> And there was me thinking that was the screen resolution, a nice blocky 64x48 pixels :)
[16:01] <oimon> i think thats an adnroid live wallpaper
[16:01] <BigRedS> ls
[16:01] <BigRedS> oop
[16:02] <DJones> I'd have laughed in somebody had accidentally pasted the response to LS in the channel then
[16:03] <BigRedS> haha
[16:03] <oimon> i was tempted
[16:04] <bigcalm> Is NFS the network file system of choice between 2 linux machines? I have been using samba as I used to have windows on this workstation. I think that CIFS has become a bottle neck while using Eclipse on remote files.
[16:04] <BigRedS> It's the fs of *my* choice
[16:05] <BigRedS> 'cause I'm lazy and it Just Works
[16:05] <oimon> are you sure that the protocol is the bottleneck?
[16:05] <BigRedS> it doesn't, by default, have any of the security of CIFS
[16:05] <BigRedS> Oh, I didn't get that far
[16:05] <DJones> Same here, I use nfs at home because all the machines there use linux and as BigRedS said, it just works
[16:07] <bigcalm> oimon: running top on the server, each time I press a key in the eclipse editor, smb appears at the top of top
[16:08] <bigcalm> At the begining of the day, it's fine. By late afternoon, it becomes sluggish and using Eclipse is very difficult
[16:08] <oimon> a bit like my typical day
[16:14] <BigRedS> bigcalm: that just means that smb is doing more than anything else
[16:14] <BigRedS> on that machine
[16:14] <BigRedS> not that it's the bottleneck
[16:15] <bigcalm> Maybe PDT can't cope with this project
[16:15] <bigcalm> Still haven't found a better IDE in linu
[16:15] <bigcalm> x
[16:16] <BigRedS> vim!
[16:18] <gord> BigRedS, for C++ stuff, kdevelop is really very good. it has a vim mode too which is useful for those of us who are used to vim
[16:24] <BigRedS> ooh. that's long been my barrier to using an ide
[16:25] <BigRedS> leaving ':w's all over the place
[16:30] <bigcalm> :D
[16:31] <gord> ah i meant to highlight bigcalm, you guys couldn't use a less colliding nick huh? ;)
[16:32] <gord> y'know what happens when you go<tab> you get gord! no substitutes!
[16:32] <bigcalm> :P
[16:32] <bigcalm> I think that we enjoy the confusion ;)
[16:37] <davmor2> AlanBell: you still after a name for your podcast or did you decide on one?
[16:37] <AlanBell> still after one
[16:38] <davmor2> AlanBell: Opening your business that should be googleable
[16:38] <AlanBell> um not really
[16:39] <AlanBell> by which I mean I want a realistic prospect of being at the top of the google search results for the name
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> "ABCast"
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> and that's bug #3 in 15 minutes
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> all crashers
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> not quite, lubotu3
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> 4
[16:47] <Bomster> Sorry for being so off topic all day, but can anyone reccomend a good value wireless router?
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: any special features required?
[16:48] <Bomster> Wireless N, but not a must.
[16:48] <Bomster> Not much else
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> If you want future-proof, go for concurrent dual-band N (2.4 and 5GHz at the same time) -- it's faster and "newest"
[16:49] <Bomster> How much am I going to have to spend?
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> gigabit? 100mbit?
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> go for "sitecom", "sweex" or something like that, those are cheap (but good) brands
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> even tp-link would work if you can find a device that does what you want
[16:53] <Bomster> http://is.gd/bkkc3P
[16:53] <Bomster> what you think of that ^
[16:53] <MartijnVdS> do you need the ADSL2+ modem bit?
[16:53] <Bomster> Also, if its wireless N, can I still connect my phone?
[16:53] <Bomster> No, just ADSL
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> so it needs to be a DSL modem, that's important ;)
[16:54] <Bomster> [17:53:49] <Bomster> Also, if its wireless N, can I still connect my phone?
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: if you want features, try this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004EBGQYU
[16:54] <AlanBell> wireless G devices can connect to N routers
[16:55] <Bomster> Okay
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: you can connect analog, ISDN, SIP or wireless DECT phones to that :)
[16:55] <Bomster> Little over my price point
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: that's the top-of-the-line model
[16:55] <shauno> the only problem I run into with phones, is that if I set to 5GHz only, our phones can't connect to it
[16:55] <Bomster> I'm only 19, just moved into my first flat so value is my main aim
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> shauno: hence the concurrent dualband suggestion
[16:56] <shauno> right
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> shauno: 2.4 AND 5 ghz, not OR
[16:56] <Bomster> kk
[16:56] <Bomster> Want to spend <£50
[16:56] <Bomster> As that's how much Plusnet charge for their router
[16:57] <shauno> I mostly like 5GHz because I have zero contention with my neighbours there :)  but 2.4 is a must, so the phones don't sit on 3g at home
[16:57] <AlanBell> they charged me £4.95
[16:57] <Bomster> Yeah, but I don't want a 12 month contract
[16:57] <Bomster> So they charge £50
[16:57] <AlanBell> oh, ok
[16:57] <Bomster> What you guys think about this - http://www.yoyotech.co.uk/item-detail.php?products_id=4373949
[16:57] <Bomster> Thamks alot for all the help everyone btw
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> belkin is good
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> usually
[16:58] <Bomster> What does the 5Ghz thing do?
[16:58] <Bomster> just faster?
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: It's a different frequency band
[16:59] <gord> just fyi, i recently threw away a wireless N belkin router because its firmware was the worst firmware i have seen in my life
[16:59] <gord> i do not recommend, especially the cheeper ones
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: which means less interference from "old" (b/g) devices
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> OK, the TP-Link one is better then
[17:00] <gord> i replaced it with this, which has so far been just wonderful http://www.ebuyer.com/176084-netgear-wireless-n-dual-band-adsl-modem-router-dgnd3300-100uks
[17:00]  * MartijnVdS stays with his old crappy modem for a few more months
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> 500/500 fibre is coming :)
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> (yes thats 500/500 mbit with no usage caps)
[17:02] <Bomster> back - sorry was on the phone to Plusnet
[17:03] <Bomster> £102 is just way out of my price bracket unfortunatley
[17:03] <Bomster> I could maybe fo to £60
[17:03] <Bomster> I've already got to pay £50 instalation fee
[17:03] <Bomster> £25 so not to have a contract
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> doesn't installation come with a modem?
[17:03] <Bomster> No
[17:03] <Bomster> Installation fee is for my line
[17:03] <Bomster> I've only just moved in to this place
[17:04] <shauno> no freebies without a contract. otherwise they're out of pocket if you cancel in a couple of months time
[17:04] <Bomster> yeah of course
[17:05] <shauno> (fwiw, I don't find a contract on my isp to be such a bad thing.  I have a 12 month lease on the place, so having a 12month minimum on internets works for me)
[17:05] <Bomster> yeah, my lease is 6 months
[17:05] <Bomster> I plan on moving in 8 maybe
[17:06] <Bomster> otherwise I would just go for contract
[17:06] <shauno> ah, gotcha
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: I'd go for the TP-Link one you linked earlier
[17:06] <Bomster> Cheers
[17:08] <Bomster> AlanBell - what is the router that you got from Plusnet like?
[17:08] <AlanBell> small, black, has a yellow wire
[17:08] <Bomster> I have a Netgear DG834GT here that a friend gave to me
[17:09] <AlanBell> it is a Netgear WNR1000 v3. Not plugged it in yet, it only arrived this morning
[17:09] <Bomster> Thats wireless N?
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: That's the 3rd generation of Wifi/wireless ethernet
[17:10] <AlanBell> think I am going to have to do some electrical engineering to add a new power socket near the front door
[17:10] <AlanBell> wireless N, yes
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: first, there were A (5 GHz, 54 Mbit) and B (2.4GHz, 11 Mbit), then G came (upgrade to B, 54 MBit)
[17:11] <Bomster> so, its G?
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: then N came, which is up to 450 MBit (150MBit per antenna), on either (or both) 2.4 or 5GHz
[17:11] <Bomster> I see
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: so N is an upgrade to both A and G
[17:11] <Bomster> yeah I get that
[17:11] <Bomster> N is the best
[17:11] <Bomster> They person on the Plusnet chat said - Thomson Speed Touch 585v 7
[17:11] <Bomster> that is what I will get
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> thomson.. *shudder*
[17:11] <Bomster> Not the Netgear WNR1000 v3
[17:11]  * MartijnVdS has had 2 Thomsons, never again
[17:12] <AlanBell> yeah, mine isn't an ADSL modem
[17:12] <Bomster> oh yeah.. GTTC
[17:12] <Bomster> *FTTC
[17:12] <AlanBell> there will be another fibre to the cabinet modem that plugs into this router's WAN port
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: VDSL?
[17:13] <AlanBell> fibre to the cabinet, I don't have the clever bit yet, just an ethernet/wireless router
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: so you get plain ethernet into your house, from the cabinet?
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: because in .nl FTTC means VDSL2 :)
[17:13] <Bomster> AlanBell are you getting this fibre for free?
[17:14] <Bomster> like are they using you as a guinie pig?
[17:14] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: no idea, they replace the BT master socket where the telephone comes in
[17:15] <AlanBell> Bomster: nope, not free
[17:15] <Bomster> How much are they charging?
[17:15] <AlanBell> £16.49 per month
[17:16] <Bomster> thats cheap
[17:16] <AlanBell> £50 setup, £5 to set up a static IP address, £4.95 P&P for the router I got today
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it's VDSL, according to internets :)
[17:17] <AlanBell> must be true then :)
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: everything in the internets is true, you know that :)
[17:22] <Bomster> AlanBell, did they offer that to you then? Not on website I presume as FTTC is being trialed by them?
[17:22] <Bomster> Handy that you get a static IP in there too
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> IPv6 would be even cooler to get
[17:26]  * mattt sings rebecca black's 'friday'
[17:26] <AlanBell> Bomster: yeah, they wrote to me, but it is the same deal on their website I think
[17:26] <AlanBell> if you have a postcode that the checker likes
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> mattt: There's also "Friday Night" by Lily Allen, if you want bad music ;)
[17:30] <mattt> MartijnVdS: MartijnVdS that's remotely listenable at least :)
[17:38] <bigcalm> nfs help please? :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/654639/
[17:41] <Bomster> AlanBell, what is your Plusnet username
[17:41] <Bomster> I'm now signing yp
[17:41] <Bomster> and I can reccomend someone
[17:42] <Bomster> MartijnVdS, if your ISP offers IPv6, what does that mean, what do you get?
[17:42] <Bomster> AlanBell, hurry up lad
[17:42] <AlanBell> um, one sec
[17:43] <Bomster> You get a reward apparantly
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: You don't just get an (IPv4) IP, you get IPv6 as well
[17:43] <Bomster> How does that benefit you, why would you want an IPv6?
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: which is good, as IPv4 addresses have run out
[17:43] <Bomster> I see
[17:44] <AlanBell> Bomster: alanbell1
[17:44] <Bomster> so its now impossible to get a static IPv4?
[17:44] <Bomster> kk, shall I put it in alanbell?
[17:44] <AlanBell> go ahead, no idea what it will do :)
[17:44] <AlanBell> but thanks!
[17:44] <Bomster> no worries :)
[17:46] <AlanBell> anyone using Asterisk with some kind of control panel thing that works?
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: no ISPs still have IPs left, but all networks have been assigned to regional registries (and they'll run out soon, then the ISPs will run out eventually)
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_deployment
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion
[17:47] <Bomster> cheers will take a look
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> Bomster: summary 'having ipv6 available makes you ready for the future'
[17:49] <Bomster> I see, future proof
[17:49] <shauno> atm, I see it not so much as future-proof for my connection, but for me.  we're going to end up usig v6 one day, whether we like it or not.  the more I know about it before that happens, the better
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> for now, yes
[17:52] <shauno> it's already showing up at work, because it's already a purchasing requirement for several usgovt contracts.  so learning about it now is ftw
[17:57] <hamitron> still no news on my ISP fixing minecraft
[17:57] <hamitron> :/
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> your ISP broke minecraft?
[17:57] <hamitron> months ago
[17:58] <shauno> how?
[17:58] <hamitron> minecraft and openttd network traffic get lost
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> aww
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> Good thing we have net neutrality here :)
[17:58] <hamitron> I can play minecraft via tunnel
[17:58] <shauno> didn't someone declare openttd a basic human right lately?  ;)
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: isn't tunneling the point of mc anyway?
[17:59] <hamitron> haha
[17:59] <hamitron> I'm gonna keep complaining till they do something
[17:59] <hamitron> or leave them
[17:59] <hamitron> but as I am the master of complaining, still got plenty left in my system
[17:59] <hamitron> ;)
[18:03] <Bomster> AlanBell - Our Referral scheme gives you a monthly discount for every person that joins us from your recommendation. It's as simple as that. All they need to do is add your username when they sign up and you'll see your monthly bill go down.
[18:03] <AlanBell> heh, nice :)
[18:04] <Bomster> Wanna send the reductions back to me on Paypal? XD
[18:05] <AlanBell> heh, no ;)
[18:05] <AlanBell> but I am sure you can reccommend it to someone else
[18:05] <Bomster> Pay it forward.
[18:06] <AlanBell> I didn't have that option when I signed up because I was transferring from an ISP they bought
[18:11] <daubers> Evening
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> \o daubers
[18:14] <daubers> :)
[18:31] <Psychobudgie> what on earth
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> daubers: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5987897531/
[18:32] <Psychobudgie> I appear to be banned from offtopic as someone else was misbehaving and the op decided that using the tab key to autocomplete on a ban in a channel with over 100 people was  good plan
[18:32] <Psychobudgie> awesome
[18:33] <Psychobudgie> did they draw straws for ops ?
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> Psychobudgie: please don't complain about other channels in this one, take it up with the ops and/or irc council
[18:34] <Psychobudgie> irc council? Is that like the justice league?
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil
[18:35] <shauno> my advice would be to a) take it to #ubuntu-ops, and b) approach it as a "heh, whoops", rather than "you blundering fool".  it'll get you much further much quicker
[18:35] <Psychobudgie> I would take it up with the ops but they have banned me from the channel while I was idle and despite a message apologising and telling me I'm not banned, I am
[18:35] <AlanBell> Psychobudgie: one sec . . .
[18:36] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Cool
[18:37] <AlanBell> Psychobudgie: can you try to join #ubuntu-ops again please
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> daubers: should be perfect for a 21:9 cinema-style screen ;)
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: you're in this too -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5987897531/
[18:42] <ali1234> what's the best database for a large number of binary strings? postgres?
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: "binary strings", as in 1010111011
[18:42] <ali1234> yeah basically
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> or as in 8-bit bytes
[18:42] <ali1234> arbitrary binary blobs
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> ah
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> the filesystem ;)
[18:42] <ali1234> all of length 2048 bytes
[18:42] <ali1234> no, the filesystem is no good, i need to select
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> CHAR(2048)
[18:43] <ali1234> well yeah
[18:43] <ali1234> postgres actually has a special datatype for such things
[18:43] <ali1234> i have a dataset of 4,000,000 strings
[18:43] <ali1234> i need to process them
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: rainbow tables? :)
[18:43] <ali1234> i want to do it in distributed style
[18:44] <ali1234> so i need clients to connect to the database to get work
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: if you want to do it truly distributed, look at hadoop&friends :)
[18:44] <ali1234> best way to implement this?
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it's a map/reduce framework that scales to massive amounts of CPUs, and is cool :)
[18:45] <ali1234> i could use a rainbow table for this but it would be 2048*360^2 bytes long
[18:45] <ali1234> which is quite big
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: check out the Hadoop intro by Cloudera
[18:46] <ali1234> sorry, 2048*2^360
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: but if you only have 4M records, postgresql might be fine
[18:46] <AlanBell> ali1234: heh, I was just about to say it wasn't very big
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq0x2z69syM
[18:52] <ali1234> hadoop is java?
[18:52] <ali1234> no thanks
[18:53] <ali1234> i need something that works with python
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: there is a python interface to it
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> you can even use bash scripts :)
[18:53] <ali1234> i need something that works with python and has zero annoying external dependencies like "a jvm"
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> sqlite then
[18:54] <ali1234> or postgres
[18:54] <ali1234> or i suppose i could just roll my own
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> that requires hardware ;)
[18:54] <ali1234> um
[18:54] <ali1234> anything requires hardware
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> pg requires more than sqlite
[18:55] <ali1234> not really
[18:55] <ali1234> also sqlite cannot be access remotely
[18:56] <ali1234> i'm talking about clients
[18:57] <ali1234> if i use postgres and my own python scripts, then the client nodes only need python, numpy, scipy installed
[18:57] <ali1234> if i use hadoop, then every client has to have a jvm installed on it
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> uhm, no
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> But: what problem are you trying to solve? Why 2048 bytes of binary data? Structured? Anything?
[18:59] <ali1234> 2048 samples
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> sensor data? audio? video?
[19:00] <ali1234> yes
[19:00] <ali1234> the sensor type is not important
[19:01] <ali1234> it is a sample of a NRZ signal 360 bytes long, which has been filtered through a gaussian filter and then noise added
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> I'd still look at hadoop, or some hadoop-style system
[19:01] <ali1234> 360 bits sorry
[19:02] <ali1234> recovery of the orignal NRZ signal is performed by 1. gaussian filter the samples, 2. perform a byte partitioning and find the lowest and highest bit in each byte - those are 0 and 1 (every byte has odd parity)
[19:02] <ali1234> then loop through all possible signals until you find the one which, when convolved with the same gaussian filter as step 1, matches the observed samples
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: sounds like map, map, reduce
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> or map, reduce, reduce
[19:03] <ali1234> it's not
[19:03] <ali1234> iterating through the set of possible signals is done... well, iteratively
[19:03] <ali1234> it doesn't check every single one
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> ah
[19:03] <ali1234> if i did that it would take... well, longer than the age of the universe
[19:04] <ali1234> instead it finds the best first byte, then the best second byte etc
[19:04] <ali1234> and it does not test impossible bytes based on the previous ones
[19:04] <ali1234> the only step that can be split out between machines is the top level
[19:04] <ali1234> which is trivial... just split the data set into chunks and send one chunk to each machine
[19:04] <ali1234> but i need to keep track of the status of each chunk
[19:05] <ali1234> that's all i need
[19:06] <ali1234> in simplest terms, i have a directory full of files
[19:06] <ali1234> each time a client connects, send them the next file in the directory
[19:06] <ali1234> each time the client sends back processed data, write that in another directory
[19:07] <ali1234> if a file isn't returned within x time, send it out to the next client
[19:08] <ali1234> i don't even need to store the actual data in the db
[19:08] <ali1234> just the status of each file
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> have you tried asking python people?
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> lots of sciency people in that community
[19:08] <ali1234> nah
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> who know their way around weird and interesting data
[19:09] <ali1234> i realise now that the database doesn't even matter
[19:09] <ali1234> i can use sqlite
[19:09] <ali1234> it won't make any difference
[19:09] <ali1234> it will only have 170000 rows maximum
[19:10] <ali1234> everyone who i described this to has been like "wut?" so far
[19:10] <ali1234> except one person, who told me to use FFT instead... but FFT doesn't work on NRZ signals very well
[19:14] <brobostigon> !info get-iplayer
[19:14] <brobostigon> cool :)
[19:51] <dwatkins> yeah, assuming they don't stop it from being able to work, get-iplayer is ace
[19:52] <brobostigon> yes.
[19:52] <brobostigon> quite.
[19:58] <shauno> touch wood, it's been ticking away quite nicely for a good while now
[19:59] <shauno> hopefully ntl will come up with a dvr that isn't utter pants, before get-iplayer breaks
[20:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Coffee Car World Record, Powered By Bacon - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/29/coffee-car-world-record-powered-by-bacon/
[21:11] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well.
[21:40]  * AlanBell is the proud new owner of softwarefreedom.biz
[21:43] <popey> heh
[21:43] <popey> nothing says professional like ".biz" :p
[21:44] <AlanBell> at least you can get a domain with less than 40 letters in it!
[21:44] <AlanBell> .org is crazy busy
[21:44] <AlanBell> .com moreso
[21:45] <AlanBell> not totally convinced by it yet, but at $5.99 it seemed worth nabbing
[21:46] <popey> bar-gain
[21:46] <BigRedS> domains are way too easy to buy...
[21:46] <popey> i need to test the webcam on this meenee
[21:47] <popey> anyone fancy jumping on google plus hangouts?
[21:47] <BigRedS> google doesn't approve of my browser :(
[21:47] <popey> Links?
[21:48] <BigRedS> Icweasel 3.x
[21:48] <popey> oookay
[21:48] <BigRedS> haha
[21:49] <popey> right, online
[21:53]  * AlanBell is hanging out with popey and popey 
[21:53] <AlanBell> looks like popey is about to join in too
[22:00] <gord> three popey's might be one too many
[22:28] <ali1234> hmm firefox seems to have semi-fixed their font hinting
[22:28] <ali1234> it's not completely horrid now
[22:35] <AlanBell> http://www.farnham.gov.uk/visit/parks-gardens/gostrey-meadow.html
[22:45] <Azelphur> ali1234: woo, happy donations bar is happy. http://game.azelphur.com/
[22:46] <Azelphur> first time I havn't had to pay for the server in a while \o/
[23:02] <BigRedS> whoop!
[23:02] <StevenR> urrgh. lots of sr 8:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device
[23:03] <StevenR> I wish there was a way to just say "usb reset"
[23:03] <ali1234> there is
[23:03] <ali1234> unload all the modules
[23:03] <ali1234> the reload them
[23:04] <StevenR> ali1234: I can't. Some of them are built in.
[23:05] <Mez> If popey is going to talk at a conference... do not buy him a parrot :D
[23:10] <Mez> Daviey: run, you're in trouble.
[23:15] <Mez> didn't realise everyone was going ... :(
[23:41] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/teletext/300.html