[00:47] <jjesse> when did the history channel stop being about actual history?
[00:51] <jjesse> see my current g+ rantings about this
[00:57] <Blazeix> back whenever Deadliest Catch and Ice Road Truckers started
[00:57] <Blazeix> then it sort of collapsed into ghost stories
[00:58] <jjesse> this one is about how aliens caused an ice age to get rid of the dinosaurs, impregnated humans and jesus was an alien
[01:06] <brousch> snap-l: ug, this nanowar music is horrible
[01:06] <brousch> i hates it
[01:16] <rick_h_> brousch: Error (404)
[01:16] <rick_h_> jjesse: about a year ago
[01:20] <rick_h_> jcastro: to raise it you press in on the round button of the arm at the joint
[01:20] <rick_h_> when you press it in, the arm will swing free and you can move it in stock increments
[01:20] <jcastro> man
[01:20] <jcastro> I must seriously be weak
[01:20] <rick_h_> this is what it doesn't give for the more expensive onces
[01:20] <rick_h_> it only moves in set amounts and only so far
[01:21] <rick_h_> yea, you've got to press them in
[01:22] <jcastro> man
[01:22] <jcastro> I might need to take the monitor off
[01:22] <jcastro> and hammer it
[01:22] <rick_h_> well, just lift on it
[01:22] <jcastro> even pulling up and mooshing it with all my strength
[01:22] <rick_h_> so the weight of the monitor isn't on it
[01:23] <rick_h_> once you get it on one you'll do it
[01:23] <rick_h_> it took me a few my first time if I recall
[01:23] <brousch> hm, dropbox is misbehaving
[01:23] <rick_h_> I was doing stuff like turning the monitor
[01:23] <rick_h_> so that moving the two sing arms added/reduced some vertical levels
[01:23] <rick_h_> there's some room to tweak
[01:24] <jcastro> yeah
[01:24] <jcastro> I got it on the small ones
[01:24] <jcastro> it's the 24 inch monster that's giving me heartache
[01:24] <jcastro> I might need to wait for jill so I don't overcrush something
[01:24] <brousch> rick_h_: try it now
[01:24] <jcastro> feels like a 2 person job
[01:24] <rick_h_> ah yea, isn't it limited to 23"
[01:25] <rick_h_> 24 might be stretching those limits I guess
[01:25] <rick_h_> brousch: wtf?!
[01:25] <rick_h_> brousch: you RT me too much :P
[01:25] <rick_h_> make up your own posts :P
[01:25] <brousch> hah
[01:25] <jcastro> rick_h_: oh sonofa.... my FPW weighs 22 lbs
[01:26] <jcastro> This whole time I was worried about jill's 23 being too heavy but it's fine
[01:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: ah, crazy
[01:27] <jcastro> AHA!
[01:27] <jcastro> the new 24 inch awesome dell is only .... 8.73 pounds!
[01:27] <jcastro> I think it's obvious what needs to be done here
[01:27] <jcastro> http://www.slashgear.com/dell-ultrasharp-u2412m-24-inch-ips-display-sells-for-399-26167465/
[01:27] <jcastro> you saw this right?
[01:28] <rick_h_> no, missed that. I was checking for a 22" ultrasharp though
[01:28] <rick_h_> but they weren't ips and had bad reviews
[01:28] <jcastro> I have the 22's
[01:28] <jcastro> they're nice side panels
[01:28] <rick_h_> I miss my good 20" ultrasharp I had, best looking display ever
[01:28] <jcastro> not something I would want as my main panel
[01:28] <rick_h_> meh, they're all 1920
[01:29] <jcastro> I with with FPW for my main panel, and the cheaper E series ones for the side panels since they were like 200 bucks
[01:29] <rick_h_> so I'd prefer 21/22" at 1920 vs 24/27
[01:29] <jcastro> well, it's not my fault display manufactures stopped giving a shit
[01:29] <jcastro> HDTV. :(
[01:29] <rick_h_> yea, no shit
[01:29]  * rick_h_ grumbles about the res I had on my old 21" CRT
[01:32] <snap-l> brousch: Sorry that you didn't like Nanowar.
[01:32] <brousch> np
[01:32] <jcastro> rick_h_: they make a more heavy duty arm for bigger monitors right?
[01:32] <rick_h_> jcastro: I'm not sure, I don't think in this model
[01:33] <jcastro> rick_h_: ok I might move that one back to a stand in the meantime
[01:34] <snap-l> brousch: Some of the more popular CC metal I have to wonder about sometimes
[01:34] <snap-l> seriously, some folks have som estrange taste in music
[01:34]  * snap-l waits for someone to point the finger back at him. ;)
[01:35] <rick_h_> heh, I wasn't going to say it
[01:36] <snap-l> Although i went to Flipside last weekend and couldn't name half of their metal bands
[01:36] <jjesse> this histroy show is epic
[01:37] <snap-l> jjesse: You must tell me what this is
[01:37] <jjesse> ancient aliens: the misson
[01:37] <snap-l> FUCK YEAH
[01:37] <snap-l> Fucking cook central
[01:37] <jjesse> this is the GREATEST F#%()A#&%#% SHOW EVAR
[01:38] <jjesse> new episode at 10pm helllllll yeah
[01:38] <snap-l> So this is a new series, then
[01:38] <jjesse> apparently?
[01:39] <jjesse> I learned a lot tonight, Jesus was an alien raised after the humans killed him by alien technology
[01:39] <jjesse> native americans had sex w/ aliens to create humans
[01:40] <jjesse> and ancient crystal skulls contain gigabytes of data that when you put all 13 together form some kickass computer
[01:40] <snap-l> Wow, they pulled out the stops
[01:40] <jjesse> its epic
[01:40] <jjesse> wonder where i can get a degree in ancient astronomy theroy
[01:40] <jjesse> theory
[01:40] <snap-l> The ones that I've seen say that if you filled one of the great pyramids with some gas, it'll act as some kind of flashlight
[01:41] <jjesse> this was was way better
[01:41] <snap-l> I think you just apply to BSU
[01:41] <snap-l> Bull Shit University
[01:41] <jjesse> its been since 8pm
[01:41] <snap-l> Yeah, it's total crackpot nonsense.
[01:41] <jjesse> if you have history channel you should put it on
[01:41] <snap-l> We've been watching it on Netflix
[01:41] <jjesse> awesome cowboys shot at an alien ship in texas
[01:41] <jjesse> epic
[01:41] <snap-l> I wouldn't directly pay for this shit.
[01:42] <jjesse> its on in the hotel tonight
[01:42] <jrwren> i'd like a 19" or 20" if its just 1920x1080
[01:42] <jrwren> 3 of those should be good.
[01:44] <jjesse> do you guys know about the "zoo hypothesis"
[01:44] <jjesse> apparently aliens are observing us like we observe animals in a zoo
[01:44] <jrwren> it explains how obama fucked up so much. they made him do it.
[01:45] <jjesse> damn those aliens
[01:53] <jjesse> dude Jonah was trapped in a whale shapped vessel, not an actual whale
[01:53] <jjesse> that explains so much
[01:56] <greg-g> man, working two jobs isn't always all it's cracked up to be :)
[01:56] <jjesse> snap-l i bet you can't wait for this season to show up on netflix
[01:56] <snap-l>  oh  yeah
[01:57] <jjesse> in case you didn't know aliens brought the moon and parked it in orbit
[01:57] <greg-g> the things you learn on IRC
[01:57] <snap-l> Sounds like it goes fulll-bore into crazytown.
[01:57] <greg-g> and my mom said it wasn't good for anything
[01:58] <jjesse> some idiot just said the moon was like george lucas's death stra
[01:58] <jjesse> death star
[01:58] <_stink_> that would spice things up, at least
[01:58] <jjesse> yeah it would be awesome
[02:00] <snap-l> Sometimes I wonder if their "Research" materials are Alternate History gamebooks
[02:03] <jjesse> they are now referencing the cowboys and aliens movie that comes out friday
[02:03] <snap-l> http://e23.sjgames.com/item.html?id=SJG30-6521
[02:03] <snap-l> http://e23.sjgames.com/item.html?id=SJG31-2001
[02:19] <greg-g> rick_h_: which one is your g-voice, 810 or 248?
[03:04] <brousch> ah, crap, i just read half of my talk at out-loud speed, and it took 10 minutes
[03:05] <brousch> i'll have to talk slow
[03:50] <snap-l> heh
[03:51] <snap-l> ive had thr same oroblem
[05:56] <TeamXlink> Whats better, 2.5gb RAM Dual Channel @ 400mhz or 3gb RAM Non-Dual Channel @ 400mhz or 3gb RAM Dual Channel @ 266mhz?
[06:00] <TeamXlink> Which company has better Linux Driver support, ATI or NVidia, I'm not sure on the current status, but I know NVidia used to be the only one offering official Linux drivers, I'm unsure if that has changed or not.
[11:24] <rick_h_> greg-g: 248 is my gvoice
[11:25] <Wolfger> <3 Gvoice
[11:26] <Wolfger> morning
[11:27] <rick_h_> morning
[11:52] <Wolfger> http://www.teefury.com/images/articles/1310254159_powerpig_side_art_02.jpeg
[12:07] <greg-g> rick_h_: cool. I went through my old phone's phone book last night and transfer to g-contacts. all set to go now :)
[12:08] <rick_h_> greg-g: awesome
[12:27] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:27] <snap-l> Everyone enjoy the light show last night?
[12:27] <rick_h_> missed it
[12:28] <rick_h_> didn't know it rained until this morning
[12:28] <snap-l> We had a lot of lightning outside around 4am
[12:30] <snap-l> Yay, the coffeepot is not affected. ;)
[12:32] <rick_h_> yay
[12:33] <Wolfger> enjoyed the show this morning
[12:33] <Wolfger> oh, it would be horrible if a thunderstorm knocked out the coffee maker :-p
[12:34] <snap-l> yes, yes it would have been
[12:43] <snap-l> Wow, this ADP site for reporting time has an extremely hypnotic wait symbol
[12:46] <snap-l> Changed over to Firefox, and apparently it isn't supported (but Chrome wasn't explicitly denied)
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[12:47] <Wolfger> It's freaking 2011. Aren't we beyond "this site best viewed with" or "this site only viewable with" yet?
[12:47] <snap-l> Yeah, have to use IE to access this site
[12:49] <snap-l> Wow, this page is complete shit
[12:49] <Wolfger> 'tis to be expected, when the page is browser-specific....
[12:50] <snap-l> Thing sounds like a woodchuck with turrets when it loads
[12:51] <snap-l> click click click click clikc
[12:51] <Wolfger> a woodchuck... with turrets?
[12:51] <Wolfger> Army-issue woodchucks.
[12:52] <snap-l> turrettes?
[12:52] <snap-l> turrreueetuetuettuureuttuetreuttts?
[12:52] <Wolfger> Ah
[12:52] <Wolfger> the swearing syndrome :-p
[12:53] <Wolfger> was watching some comedian (Tosh?) who pointed out nobody ever has polite Turrettes (or however the hell you spell it). Nobody is ever afflicted with blurting out compliments.
[12:57] <greg-g> that you know of, maybe they just "pass" in society and are actually really well liked by everyone
[12:57] <snap-l> "And in conclusion... NICESHOES... I think that..."
[13:06] <greg-g> :)
[13:15] <nullspace> oh wow DoD released their own linux distro
[13:19] <greg-g> but they might be violating the terms of the GPL
[13:19] <greg-g> there's a link to download an iso, but no links to the source
[13:19] <greg-g> </license nerd moment>
[13:20] <jrwren> rofl.
[13:20] <Wolfger> meh. Come back to me when you *know* they're violating the GPL
[13:20] <snap-l> Wolfger: What's the difference?
[13:20] <greg-g> Wolfger: ok, Lemme go ask for the source and when they don't respond, I'll let you know.
[13:20] <snap-l> If you know it in your heart, it must be true
[13:20] <jrwren> http://www.ubuntu.com/download <-- no link to the source.
[13:20] <jrwren> :)
[13:21] <greg-g> jrwren: :P true true
[13:21] <snap-l> that seems to be the modus operandi for the OCD license community
[13:21] <jrwren> if they have /usr/share/*/README with links the source, its GPL OK, right?
[13:21] <greg-g> there's actually been a (OMG way too long) thread on debian-legal about whether or not torrenting .isos is violating the GPL
[13:21] <jrwren> really?
[13:21] <jrwren> how in the hell is that violating the GPL?
[13:21] <greg-g> yeah, really.
[13:21] <greg-g> :(
[13:21] <greg-g> no source available
[13:22] <jrwren> sounds like the fudtastic get voiced too much
[13:22] <jrwren> b.s.
[13:22] <jrwren> source is available.
[13:22] <greg-g> so, debian has their own torrent server with all of the source code available as a torrent, but no one is downloading it
[13:22] <jrwren> sounds like them fools need a dictionary
[13:22] <greg-g> :)
[13:22] <snap-l> Because nobody needs the source in that form
[13:22] <jrwren> nor wants it.
[13:24] <snap-l> Well, what's really stupid are the folks who think they "know better" and add nothing to the conversation
[13:24] <snap-l> E-mail threads tend to go like this:
[13:24] <snap-l> 1) Semi-plausible claim
[13:25] <snap-l> 2) Several pokes, one of which might be right
[13:25] <snap-l> 3) Several more semi-plausible claims
[13:25] <snap-l> 4) Someone who knows from whence they speak weighs in
[13:26] <snap-l> 5) Several "That's counterintuitive" statements
[13:26] <snap-l> 6) Pissing contest over what's correct vs what's intuitive
[13:26] <snap-l> 7) Personal attacks
[13:26] <snap-l> 8) Hitler
[13:27] <jrwren> lol. excellent
[13:28] <greg-g> that reminds me of this post from joey hess: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/thread_patterns/
[13:29] <snap-l> greg-g: That is awesome.
[13:29] <snap-l> Yeah, I love the blindingly obvious ones
[13:30] <snap-l> usually followed by the "Would you please not 'Reply All'"
[13:30] <snap-l> JoDee had one of those go viral at Macomb
[13:31] <Wolfger> awesome
[13:31] <Wolfger> snap-l: I think you should make an "8 stages of mailing list threads" blog post.
[13:31] <snap-l> Went from some innocent, shouldn't-have-been-posted-to-this-list to several people claiming being on this list was a right of passage to work there, and if they didn't want to be on the list, maybe they sholdn't work there.
[13:31] <Wolfger> preferably with solid examples :-)
[13:32] <snap-l> Eventually causing the admins to employ the nuclear option.
[13:32] <snap-l> Wolfger: Bah, no, thanks.
[13:32] <Wolfger> drop rocks on it from low earth orbit
[13:36] <greg-g> we just had an epic one at the U today, someone sent a message to EVERY SINGLE list they were one to say "I'm updating my email address, but change it for me please!" They emailed THOUSANDS of U-M Medical school staff and first responders, and then 4 others replied with similarly stupid responses.
[13:36] <snap-l> Wolfger: Your wish is my command: http://decafbad.net/2011/07/29/the-8-stages-of-e-mail-threads/
[13:37] <snap-l> greg-g: yep
[13:37] <greg-g> hah, you're quick snap-l
[13:37] <Wolfger> he went from "bah, no thanks" to "here you go" in a very short amount of time
[13:38] <greg-g> well, the solid examples part is still a "bah, no thanks" :)
[13:38] <Wolfger> ah, I see
[13:39] <Wolfger> I'm amazed I can still read snap-l's blog... Paul Graham's blog is blocked now. As is webchat.
[13:39] <snap-l> Wolfger: Well, Paul Graham's blog gets people to think about what they're doing with life
[13:39] <snap-l> I'm sure Zen Habits is also blocked, as is 43 folders.
[13:39] <greg-g> not the best thing to have your employees doing
[13:39] <Wolfger> very bad for corporate moral, true
[13:40] <Wolfger> s/moral/morale/ even :-p
[13:40] <snap-l> Also "I think we should rewrite our whole infrastructure in LISP" is not what you want to hear on a friday morning.
[13:41] <Wolfger> I don't care what language they use (please, god, not Java), they just need to rewrite the infrastructure.
[13:42] <Wolfger> and the structure, and the exostructure too :-p (am I just making shit up now? I bet there is an exostructure...)
[13:43] <greg-g> sure, like ants
[14:05] <brousch> i'm starting to freak out
[14:05] <brousch> i don't think i'll have enough material to fill an hour
[14:05] <jjesse> so take questions :P
[14:05] <brousch> it's not really a technical talk
[14:06] <brousch> i cannot rely on questions
[14:06] <jjesse> animated gifs?
[14:06] <brousch> i am making heavy use of them already ;)
[14:07] <rick_h_> brousch: don't have to fill an hour
[14:07] <rick_h_> really 40min
[14:07] <brousch> i think i'll have 30mins
[14:07] <rick_h_> so you need 10min :)
[14:07] <rick_h_> sounds like demo time
[14:08] <brousch> heh
[14:08] <brousch> gotta finish the main part first ;)
[14:08] <brousch> but yeah, i could throw up some flask-based projects
[14:08] <Wolfger> stall a bit at the beginning and take questions at the end. Easy way to kill 10 minutes in two smaller chunks. :-)
[14:08] <jrwren> what are you presenting?
[14:09] <ColonelPanic001> http://mashable.com/2011/07/29/internet-explorer-iq/
[14:09] <ColonelPanic001> well, that's not surprising
[14:09] <brousch> jrwren: mostly my experience discovering python and django
[14:20] <snap-l> brousch: Wrost case, you let people out early.
[14:21] <Wolfger> and if they leave early because they had no questions, that's on them :-D
[14:25] <snap-l> Worry about the content, not about the space
[14:42] <Wolfger> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/96933/why-did-git-get-so-much-hype-while-others-dont
[14:43] <rick_h_> Wolfger: that thread is as good as the "Why do developers still use archaic editors from a command line when better tools exist?" thread
[14:45] <Wolfger> :-)
[14:47] <Wolfger> I wasn't even aware that a Git vs. Mercurial holy war existed.
[14:50] <jrwren> it doesn't.
[14:51] <jrwren> there are jihadists that will assure you that a war between christianity and islam is happening right now.
[14:51] <jrwren> similar insanity
[14:53] <Wolfger> jrwren: clearly it does exist, as evidenced by that thread (even if it never existed prior)
[14:54] <rick_h_> it's not so much a git vs Hg, but more a "My tool rocks! your tool sucks!"
[14:54] <Wolfger> likewise, Christian and Muslim extremists killing people for religious reasons are proof that a holy war is going on... just with very limited "armies"
[14:54] <jrwren> no, a war doesn't exist just because 2 people say it does.
[14:55] <Wolfger> rick_h_: Right. Just like vim vs emacs.
[14:56] <rick_h_> meh, at this point I think most of that is just to keep our old jokes alive
[14:56] <Wolfger> "war" is a loose term in the computer world.... no killing involved (so far as I know)
[14:56] <rick_h_> for me it's more about using vim/emacs gets you more respect than eclipse
[14:56] <rick_h_> etc
[14:56] <Wolfger> yeah, well, you're fighting the cli vs gui holy war :-)
[14:56] <rick_h_> I run gvim :P
[14:57] <Wolfger> *gasp*
[15:00] <Wolfger> What I really want to know is, why does stackexchange even host "Programmers" when they never really discuss code at all? It should be "Geek Philosophy" based on the typical content.
[15:00] <Wolfger> StackOverflow is programmers fo' realz
[15:01] <Wolfger> and consequently often over my head, which I why I read the drivel on Programmers :-p
[15:03] <jrwren> can I use vmbuilder to install oneric ?
[15:03] <jrwren> lol
[15:03] <jrwren> StackOverflow is over your head?
[15:04] <jrwren> you should read more there then. its a great place to learn.
[15:10] <jrwren> why doesn't help.ubuntu.com list the stackexchange site?
[15:33] <Wolfger> jrwren: A lot of it is, yeah. I'm actually picking out Python questions now since I'm making an effort to learn Python.
[15:37] <jrwren> is dive into python not a good learning tool anymore?
[15:39] <Wolfger> I'm sure it's just as good as it ever was.
[15:40] <Wolfger> It's one tool in the box
[15:40] <Wolfger> Hell, I just *answered* a question on StackOverflow :-)
[15:43] <jcastro> jrwren: just use testdrive
[15:43] <jcastro> for your vmbuilder question
[15:46] <jrwren> jcastro: thanks.
[15:47] <jrwren> i didn't know about it.
[15:47] <jrwren> knowing is more than half the battle
[15:55] <jcastro> GI JOE!
[15:55] <jcastro> jcastro: I'll write up an answer after lunch
[15:55] <jcastro> I don't think vmbuilder's been updated
[15:55] <jcastro> + testdrive is the way to go, it'll auto zsync your ISOs and just fire them up in KVM automagically
[15:57] <jcastro> jrwren: you did it wrong
[15:57] <jcastro> you should have posted that edit as your own answer
[15:57] <jcastro> and then accept it
[16:09] <Wolfger> greg-g: zomg, emacs violated GPL!!!one1!
[16:09] <Wolfger> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/07/29/1445252/Emacs-Has-Been-Violating-the-GPL-Since-2009?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29
[16:10] <Wolfger> Ugh. Sorry, that's a wretched URL paste.
[16:23]  * jcastro plonks jrwren, yo, pay attention
[16:42] <jrwren> jcastro: yeah, i forget the SO rules WRT answering your own Question
[16:43] <jrwren> you want me to update it?
[16:43] <jcastro> jrwren: yeah
[16:43] <jcastro> answering your own question is totally fine!
[16:43] <jcastro> I'll fix up your answer
[16:44] <jcastro>  I need you to post it first tho
[16:46] <jrwren> updated.
[16:58] <jrwren> anybody have any broken PS2 Keyboard lying around?
[16:59] <Wolfger> you wouldn't rather have a working one?
[16:59] <Wolfger> regardless, I think mine was trashed/yardsaled/donated some time ago.
[16:59] <jrwren> yeah, I should find a computer recycle place.
[16:59] <jrwren> I just want the connector to cut off
[17:00] <Wolfger> but I'll look this weekend and see if I do still have it
[17:01] <Wolfger> what do you want next, a 5.25" floppy drive?
[17:01] <Wolfger> :-)
[17:05] <nullspace> 8" nothing less
[17:06] <ColonelPanic001> that's what sh... nevermind
[17:06] <nullspace> nice
[17:09] <Wolfger> rofl
[17:09] <Wolfger> ColonelPanic001++
[17:09] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[17:10]  * Wolfger has never even seen an 8"...
[17:13] <ColonelPanic001> I'll show you sometime
[17:14] <Wolfger> Bring it Penguicon and show it off in the lobby.
[17:15] <jrwren> i think i have a 5.25" aruond.
[17:15] <jrwren> no... maybe no.
[17:15] <ColonelPanic001> excellent idea
[17:16] <jrwren> ouch.  kvm segfaults when I connect to it with VNC :(
[17:18] <Wolfger> ColonelPanic001: on the night of the masquerade, you can carry it around under a trench coat and ask everybody if they'd like to see your "8-incher"
[17:19] <Wolfger> and if they say yes, whip it out
[17:20]  * Wolfger considers maybe this is being stretched a bit thin
[17:20] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[17:20] <ColonelPanic001> that'd amuse me
[17:21] <Wolfger> It's Friday. I'm stuck here for another 90 minutes-ish. I'm in "can't the weekend just START already?" mode.
[17:22] <Wolfger> Already did my daily quota of Python skill building. Started getting overwhelmed with all the non-python crap I need to learn as well.
[17:23] <Wolfger> the wx, the (possibly, haven't decided yet) sqlite....
[17:24] <Wolfger> ...the twitter api....
[17:36] <jrwren> i guess you know you are a real programmer when you scoff at the ease of learning those things.
[17:37] <Wolfger> Well, I've already got a decent mock-up of my GUI done, when it occurs to me I haven't actually learned much at all about wx. I'm cut'n'pasting my way through it mostly.
[17:37] <Wolfger> and I'm not satisfied with that
[17:38] <Wolfger> It'd be nice if I could put together a code block without flipping back and forth to the internets for each line
[17:45] <Wolfger> and everything (in the tutorials) has a -1 id passed to it, but nowhere does it explain why it's -1, or what that really means, and that annoys the crap out of me.
[17:47] <Wolfger> if ID is always -1, why even bother having that parameter? That's 4 useless keystrokes per instance.
[20:47] <rick_h_> party!
[20:47] <rick_h_> hello from Ohio
[20:49] <snap-l> Hello from PyOhio. :)
[20:53] <nullspace> pfhhhhhhhh
[20:54] <rick_h_> who let the java speak?
[20:54]  * rick_h_ looks for the java mute button :P
[21:00] <snap-l> Heh