[00:47] when did the history channel stop being about actual history? [00:51] see my current g+ rantings about this [00:57] back whenever Deadliest Catch and Ice Road Truckers started [00:57] then it sort of collapsed into ghost stories [00:58] this one is about how aliens caused an ice age to get rid of the dinosaurs, impregnated humans and jesus was an alien [01:06] snap-l: ug, this nanowar music is horrible [01:06] i hates it [01:16] brousch: Error (404) [01:16] jjesse: about a year ago [01:20] jcastro: to raise it you press in on the round button of the arm at the joint [01:20] when you press it in, the arm will swing free and you can move it in stock increments [01:20] man [01:20] I must seriously be weak [01:20] this is what it doesn't give for the more expensive onces [01:20] it only moves in set amounts and only so far [01:21] yea, you've got to press them in [01:22] man [01:22] I might need to take the monitor off [01:22] and hammer it [01:22] well, just lift on it [01:22] even pulling up and mooshing it with all my strength [01:22] so the weight of the monitor isn't on it [01:23] once you get it on one you'll do it [01:23] it took me a few my first time if I recall [01:23] hm, dropbox is misbehaving [01:23] I was doing stuff like turning the monitor [01:23] so that moving the two sing arms added/reduced some vertical levels [01:23] there's some room to tweak [01:24] yeah [01:24] I got it on the small ones [01:24] it's the 24 inch monster that's giving me heartache [01:24] I might need to wait for jill so I don't overcrush something [01:24] rick_h_: try it now [01:24] feels like a 2 person job [01:24] ah yea, isn't it limited to 23" [01:25] 24 might be stretching those limits I guess [01:25] brousch: wtf?! [01:25] brousch: you RT me too much :P [01:25] make up your own posts :P [01:25] hah [01:25] rick_h_: oh sonofa.... my FPW weighs 22 lbs [01:26] This whole time I was worried about jill's 23 being too heavy but it's fine [01:26] jcastro: ah, crazy [01:27] AHA! [01:27] the new 24 inch awesome dell is only .... 8.73 pounds! [01:27] I think it's obvious what needs to be done here [01:27] http://www.slashgear.com/dell-ultrasharp-u2412m-24-inch-ips-display-sells-for-399-26167465/ [01:27] you saw this right? [01:28] no, missed that. I was checking for a 22" ultrasharp though [01:28] but they weren't ips and had bad reviews [01:28] I have the 22's [01:28] they're nice side panels [01:28] I miss my good 20" ultrasharp I had, best looking display ever [01:28] not something I would want as my main panel [01:28] meh, they're all 1920 [01:29] I with with FPW for my main panel, and the cheaper E series ones for the side panels since they were like 200 bucks [01:29] so I'd prefer 21/22" at 1920 vs 24/27 [01:29] well, it's not my fault display manufactures stopped giving a shit [01:29] HDTV. :( [01:29] yea, no shit [01:29] * rick_h_ grumbles about the res I had on my old 21" CRT [01:32] brousch: Sorry that you didn't like Nanowar. [01:32] np [01:32] rick_h_: they make a more heavy duty arm for bigger monitors right? [01:32] jcastro: I'm not sure, I don't think in this model [01:33] rick_h_: ok I might move that one back to a stand in the meantime [01:34] brousch: Some of the more popular CC metal I have to wonder about sometimes [01:34] seriously, some folks have som estrange taste in music [01:34] * snap-l waits for someone to point the finger back at him. ;) [01:35] heh, I wasn't going to say it [01:36] Although i went to Flipside last weekend and couldn't name half of their metal bands [01:36] this histroy show is epic [01:37] jjesse: You must tell me what this is [01:37] ancient aliens: the misson [01:37] FUCK YEAH [01:37] Fucking cook central [01:37] this is the GREATEST F#%()A#&%#% SHOW EVAR [01:38] new episode at 10pm helllllll yeah [01:38] So this is a new series, then [01:38] apparently? [01:39] I learned a lot tonight, Jesus was an alien raised after the humans killed him by alien technology [01:39] native americans had sex w/ aliens to create humans [01:40] and ancient crystal skulls contain gigabytes of data that when you put all 13 together form some kickass computer [01:40] Wow, they pulled out the stops [01:40] its epic [01:40] wonder where i can get a degree in ancient astronomy theroy [01:40] theory [01:40] The ones that I've seen say that if you filled one of the great pyramids with some gas, it'll act as some kind of flashlight [01:41] this was was way better [01:41] I think you just apply to BSU [01:41] Bull Shit University [01:41] its been since 8pm [01:41] Yeah, it's total crackpot nonsense. [01:41] if you have history channel you should put it on [01:41] We've been watching it on Netflix [01:41] awesome cowboys shot at an alien ship in texas [01:41] epic [01:41] I wouldn't directly pay for this shit. [01:42] its on in the hotel tonight [01:42] i'd like a 19" or 20" if its just 1920x1080 [01:42] 3 of those should be good. [01:44] do you guys know about the "zoo hypothesis" [01:44] apparently aliens are observing us like we observe animals in a zoo [01:44] it explains how obama fucked up so much. they made him do it. [01:45] damn those aliens [01:53] dude Jonah was trapped in a whale shapped vessel, not an actual whale [01:53] that explains so much [01:56] man, working two jobs isn't always all it's cracked up to be :) [01:56] snap-l i bet you can't wait for this season to show up on netflix [01:56] oh yeah [01:57] in case you didn't know aliens brought the moon and parked it in orbit [01:57] the things you learn on IRC [01:57] Sounds like it goes fulll-bore into crazytown. [01:57] and my mom said it wasn't good for anything [01:58] some idiot just said the moon was like george lucas's death stra [01:58] death star [01:58] <_stink_> that would spice things up, at least [01:58] yeah it would be awesome [02:00] Sometimes I wonder if their "Research" materials are Alternate History gamebooks [02:03] they are now referencing the cowboys and aliens movie that comes out friday [02:03] http://e23.sjgames.com/item.html?id=SJG30-6521 [02:03] http://e23.sjgames.com/item.html?id=SJG31-2001 [02:19] rick_h_: which one is your g-voice, 810 or 248? [03:04] ah, crap, i just read half of my talk at out-loud speed, and it took 10 minutes [03:05] i'll have to talk slow [03:50] heh [03:51] ive had thr same oroblem [05:56] Whats better, 2.5gb RAM Dual Channel @ 400mhz or 3gb RAM Non-Dual Channel @ 400mhz or 3gb RAM Dual Channel @ 266mhz? [06:00] Which company has better Linux Driver support, ATI or NVidia, I'm not sure on the current status, but I know NVidia used to be the only one offering official Linux drivers, I'm unsure if that has changed or not. [11:24] greg-g: 248 is my gvoice [11:25] <3 Gvoice [11:26] morning [11:27] morning [11:52] http://www.teefury.com/images/articles/1310254159_powerpig_side_art_02.jpeg [12:07] rick_h_: cool. I went through my old phone's phone book last night and transfer to g-contacts. all set to go now :) [12:08] greg-g: awesome [12:27] Good morning [12:27] Everyone enjoy the light show last night? [12:27] missed it [12:28] didn't know it rained until this morning [12:28] We had a lot of lightning outside around 4am [12:30] Yay, the coffeepot is not affected. ;) [12:32] yay [12:33] enjoyed the show this morning [12:33] oh, it would be horrible if a thunderstorm knocked out the coffee maker :-p [12:34] yes, yes it would have been [12:43] Wow, this ADP site for reporting time has an extremely hypnotic wait symbol [12:46] Changed over to Firefox, and apparently it isn't supported (but Chrome wasn't explicitly denied) [12:46] [12:47] It's freaking 2011. Aren't we beyond "this site best viewed with" or "this site only viewable with" yet? [12:47] Yeah, have to use IE to access this site [12:49] Wow, this page is complete shit [12:49] 'tis to be expected, when the page is browser-specific.... [12:50] Thing sounds like a woodchuck with turrets when it loads [12:51] click click click click clikc [12:51] a woodchuck... with turrets? [12:51] Army-issue woodchucks. [12:52] turrettes? [12:52] turrreueetuetuettuureuttuetreuttts? [12:52] Ah [12:52] the swearing syndrome :-p [12:53] was watching some comedian (Tosh?) who pointed out nobody ever has polite Turrettes (or however the hell you spell it). Nobody is ever afflicted with blurting out compliments. [12:57] that you know of, maybe they just "pass" in society and are actually really well liked by everyone [12:57] "And in conclusion... NICESHOES... I think that..." [13:06] :) === bmcmahon is now known as nullspace [13:15] oh wow DoD released their own linux distro [13:19] but they might be violating the terms of the GPL [13:19] there's a link to download an iso, but no links to the source [13:19] [13:20] rofl. [13:20] meh. Come back to me when you *know* they're violating the GPL [13:20] Wolfger: What's the difference? [13:20] Wolfger: ok, Lemme go ask for the source and when they don't respond, I'll let you know. [13:20] If you know it in your heart, it must be true [13:20] http://www.ubuntu.com/download <-- no link to the source. [13:20] :) [13:21] jrwren: :P true true [13:21] that seems to be the modus operandi for the OCD license community [13:21] if they have /usr/share/*/README with links the source, its GPL OK, right? [13:21] there's actually been a (OMG way too long) thread on debian-legal about whether or not torrenting .isos is violating the GPL [13:21] really? [13:21] how in the hell is that violating the GPL? [13:21] yeah, really. [13:21] :( [13:21] no source available [13:22] sounds like the fudtastic get voiced too much [13:22] b.s. [13:22] source is available. [13:22] so, debian has their own torrent server with all of the source code available as a torrent, but no one is downloading it [13:22] sounds like them fools need a dictionary [13:22] :) [13:22] Because nobody needs the source in that form [13:22] nor wants it. [13:24] Well, what's really stupid are the folks who think they "know better" and add nothing to the conversation [13:24] E-mail threads tend to go like this: [13:24] 1) Semi-plausible claim [13:25] 2) Several pokes, one of which might be right [13:25] 3) Several more semi-plausible claims [13:25] 4) Someone who knows from whence they speak weighs in [13:26] 5) Several "That's counterintuitive" statements [13:26] 6) Pissing contest over what's correct vs what's intuitive [13:26] 7) Personal attacks [13:26] 8) Hitler [13:27] lol. excellent [13:28] that reminds me of this post from joey hess: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/thread_patterns/ [13:29] greg-g: That is awesome. [13:29] Yeah, I love the blindingly obvious ones [13:30] usually followed by the "Would you please not 'Reply All'" [13:30] JoDee had one of those go viral at Macomb [13:31] awesome [13:31] snap-l: I think you should make an "8 stages of mailing list threads" blog post. [13:31] Went from some innocent, shouldn't-have-been-posted-to-this-list to several people claiming being on this list was a right of passage to work there, and if they didn't want to be on the list, maybe they sholdn't work there. [13:31] preferably with solid examples :-) [13:32] Eventually causing the admins to employ the nuclear option. [13:32] Wolfger: Bah, no, thanks. [13:32] drop rocks on it from low earth orbit [13:36] we just had an epic one at the U today, someone sent a message to EVERY SINGLE list they were one to say "I'm updating my email address, but change it for me please!" They emailed THOUSANDS of U-M Medical school staff and first responders, and then 4 others replied with similarly stupid responses. [13:36] Wolfger: Your wish is my command: http://decafbad.net/2011/07/29/the-8-stages-of-e-mail-threads/ [13:37] greg-g: yep [13:37] hah, you're quick snap-l [13:37] he went from "bah, no thanks" to "here you go" in a very short amount of time [13:38] well, the solid examples part is still a "bah, no thanks" :) [13:38] ah, I see [13:39] I'm amazed I can still read snap-l's blog... Paul Graham's blog is blocked now. As is webchat. [13:39] Wolfger: Well, Paul Graham's blog gets people to think about what they're doing with life [13:39] I'm sure Zen Habits is also blocked, as is 43 folders. [13:39] not the best thing to have your employees doing [13:39] very bad for corporate moral, true [13:40] s/moral/morale/ even :-p [13:40] Also "I think we should rewrite our whole infrastructure in LISP" is not what you want to hear on a friday morning. [13:41] I don't care what language they use (please, god, not Java), they just need to rewrite the infrastructure. [13:42] and the structure, and the exostructure too :-p (am I just making shit up now? I bet there is an exostructure...) [13:43] sure, like ants [14:05] i'm starting to freak out [14:05] i don't think i'll have enough material to fill an hour [14:05] so take questions :P [14:05] it's not really a technical talk [14:06] i cannot rely on questions [14:06] animated gifs? [14:06] i am making heavy use of them already ;) [14:07] brousch: don't have to fill an hour [14:07] really 40min [14:07] i think i'll have 30mins [14:07] so you need 10min :) [14:07] sounds like demo time [14:08] heh [14:08] gotta finish the main part first ;) [14:08] but yeah, i could throw up some flask-based projects [14:08] stall a bit at the beginning and take questions at the end. Easy way to kill 10 minutes in two smaller chunks. :-) [14:08] what are you presenting? [14:09] http://mashable.com/2011/07/29/internet-explorer-iq/ [14:09] well, that's not surprising [14:09] jrwren: mostly my experience discovering python and django [14:20] brousch: Wrost case, you let people out early. [14:21] and if they leave early because they had no questions, that's on them :-D [14:25] Worry about the content, not about the space [14:42] http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/96933/why-did-git-get-so-much-hype-while-others-dont [14:43] Wolfger: that thread is as good as the "Why do developers still use archaic editors from a command line when better tools exist?" thread [14:45] :-) [14:47] I wasn't even aware that a Git vs. Mercurial holy war existed. [14:50] it doesn't. [14:51] there are jihadists that will assure you that a war between christianity and islam is happening right now. [14:51] similar insanity [14:53] jrwren: clearly it does exist, as evidenced by that thread (even if it never existed prior) [14:54] it's not so much a git vs Hg, but more a "My tool rocks! your tool sucks!" [14:54] likewise, Christian and Muslim extremists killing people for religious reasons are proof that a holy war is going on... just with very limited "armies" [14:54] no, a war doesn't exist just because 2 people say it does. [14:55] rick_h_: Right. Just like vim vs emacs. [14:56] meh, at this point I think most of that is just to keep our old jokes alive [14:56] "war" is a loose term in the computer world.... no killing involved (so far as I know) [14:56] for me it's more about using vim/emacs gets you more respect than eclipse [14:56] etc [14:56] yeah, well, you're fighting the cli vs gui holy war :-) [14:56] I run gvim :P [14:57] *gasp* [15:00] What I really want to know is, why does stackexchange even host "Programmers" when they never really discuss code at all? It should be "Geek Philosophy" based on the typical content. [15:00] StackOverflow is programmers fo' realz [15:01] and consequently often over my head, which I why I read the drivel on Programmers :-p [15:03] can I use vmbuilder to install oneric ? [15:03] lol [15:03] StackOverflow is over your head? [15:04] you should read more there then. its a great place to learn. [15:10] why doesn't help.ubuntu.com list the stackexchange site? [15:33] jrwren: A lot of it is, yeah. I'm actually picking out Python questions now since I'm making an effort to learn Python. [15:37] is dive into python not a good learning tool anymore? [15:39] I'm sure it's just as good as it ever was. [15:40] It's one tool in the box [15:40] Hell, I just *answered* a question on StackOverflow :-) [15:43] jrwren: just use testdrive [15:43] for your vmbuilder question [15:46] jcastro: thanks. [15:47] i didn't know about it. [15:47] knowing is more than half the battle [15:55] GI JOE! [15:55] jcastro: I'll write up an answer after lunch [15:55] I don't think vmbuilder's been updated [15:55] + testdrive is the way to go, it'll auto zsync your ISOs and just fire them up in KVM automagically [15:57] jrwren: you did it wrong [15:57] you should have posted that edit as your own answer [15:57] and then accept it [16:09] greg-g: zomg, emacs violated GPL!!!one1! [16:09] http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/07/29/1445252/Emacs-Has-Been-Violating-the-GPL-Since-2009?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 [16:10] Ugh. Sorry, that's a wretched URL paste. [16:23] * jcastro plonks jrwren, yo, pay attention [16:42] jcastro: yeah, i forget the SO rules WRT answering your own Question [16:43] you want me to update it? [16:43] jrwren: yeah [16:43] answering your own question is totally fine! [16:43] I'll fix up your answer [16:44] I need you to post it first tho [16:46] updated. [16:58] anybody have any broken PS2 Keyboard lying around? [16:59] you wouldn't rather have a working one? [16:59] regardless, I think mine was trashed/yardsaled/donated some time ago. [16:59] yeah, I should find a computer recycle place. [16:59] I just want the connector to cut off [17:00] but I'll look this weekend and see if I do still have it [17:01] what do you want next, a 5.25" floppy drive? [17:01] :-) [17:05] 8" nothing less [17:06] that's what sh... nevermind [17:06] nice [17:09] rofl [17:09] ColonelPanic001++ [17:09] \o/ [17:10] * Wolfger has never even seen an 8"... [17:13] I'll show you sometime [17:14] Bring it Penguicon and show it off in the lobby. [17:15] i think i have a 5.25" aruond. [17:15] no... maybe no. [17:15] excellent idea [17:16] ouch. kvm segfaults when I connect to it with VNC :( [17:18] ColonelPanic001: on the night of the masquerade, you can carry it around under a trench coat and ask everybody if they'd like to see your "8-incher" [17:19] and if they say yes, whip it out [17:20] * Wolfger considers maybe this is being stretched a bit thin [17:20] heh [17:20] that'd amuse me [17:21] It's Friday. I'm stuck here for another 90 minutes-ish. I'm in "can't the weekend just START already?" mode. [17:22] Already did my daily quota of Python skill building. Started getting overwhelmed with all the non-python crap I need to learn as well. [17:23] the wx, the (possibly, haven't decided yet) sqlite.... [17:24] ...the twitter api.... [17:36] i guess you know you are a real programmer when you scoff at the ease of learning those things. [17:37] Well, I've already got a decent mock-up of my GUI done, when it occurs to me I haven't actually learned much at all about wx. I'm cut'n'pasting my way through it mostly. [17:37] and I'm not satisfied with that [17:38] It'd be nice if I could put together a code block without flipping back and forth to the internets for each line [17:45] and everything (in the tutorials) has a -1 id passed to it, but nowhere does it explain why it's -1, or what that really means, and that annoys the crap out of me. [17:47] if ID is always -1, why even bother having that parameter? That's 4 useless keystrokes per instance. [20:47] party! [20:47] hello from Ohio [20:49] Hello from PyOhio. :) [20:53] pfhhhhhhhh [20:54] who let the java speak? [20:54] * rick_h_ looks for the java mute button :P [21:00] Heh