| micahg | charlie-tca: FYI, tomorrow's images should have the messaging indicator back | 04:15 |
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| madnick | knome: could you give me the transperant textbox? :) | 13:48 |
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| charlie-tca | Desktop live session logs in after selecting session today | 14:03 |
| charlie-tca | Can not install from desktop, no password accepted | 14:03 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit, micahg : thank you for the live sessions today | 14:09 |
| charlie-tca | Install from the menu is working | 14:17 |
| charlie-tca | Haven't tried the alternate images yet, but I seen a bug report that they are still broken until tomorrow | 14:17 |
| charlie-tca | Alternate images verified broken | 14:39 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: users are not added to the login screen after installing. hitting "Other...", entering the user name and password allows login though. | 15:04 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: same on preinstalled, lightdm bug I think (I'd actually prefer to keep it that way personally) | 15:40 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: and we're no longer oversized | 15:41 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, got that one. Thank you very much! | 15:41 |
| charlie-tca | I don't mind that so much as not being able to install from the live session. But one step at a time. We HAVE a live session :) | 15:42 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: Have you found any arm images for us yet? | 15:42 |
| micahg | no, but I haven't looked | 15:42 |
| charlie-tca | I been looking, but forgot today. Will go see if I can find them. | 15:43 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: not yet | 15:47 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: no mx51 images for alpha3 | 16:06 |
| micahg | heh, ok | 16:06 |
| Wizard | good afternoon | 16:07 |
| charlie-tca | Good afternoon, Wizard | 16:07 |
| charlie-tca | hm, moved my launcher panel to the side, now I keep losing it | 16:35 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 16:35 |
| charlie-tca | well, at least not finding it when I go to the bottom of the screen ;) | 16:35 |
| Wizard | lol | 16:47 |
| Wizard | i have only 600px vertically, and i use a touchscreen (quite large panel, for easy clicking), so all my launchers don't fit vertically | 16:48 |
| Wizard | :S | 16:48 |
| charlie-tca | I only put a few launchers in the panel, I have about 8 I use all the time. | 16:50 |
| charlie-tca | and, shrinking the panel by 4% allows it to not hide the top under the top panel | 16:50 |
| charlie-tca | It does have a problem though. It keeps refreshing every few minutes, or maybe it is respawning. | 16:51 |
| madnick | how come its hidden by default btw? | 16:51 |
| charlie-tca | Keeps a bigger screen available, since as a hidden panel, it can be covered by applications | 16:52 |
| madnick | makes sense | 16:54 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: meeting sunday? | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: yup | 19:29 |
| charlie-tca | 22:00 UTC | 19:29 |
| madnick | found a bug in plymouth, (talked to a dev and he discovered the source and fixed it) but it will still be bugged in xubuntu until we update it | 19:31 |
| madnick | this does not impact the boot process | 19:31 |
| madnick | But it will impact the X plugin | 19:31 |
| madnick | Dunno if you think its worth looking into | 19:32 |
| charlie-tca | bug number? | 19:32 |
| madnick | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/plymouth/commit/?id=973dd358b9544921604c6cfb5ed1c4cfb052a015 | 19:33 |
| madnick | i talked to him on IRC | 19:33 |
| madnick | so i dont know if its filled a bug report | 19:33 |
| micahg | we're a whole version behind Debian + a lot of debian revisions on plymouth | 19:34 |
| madnick | oh | 19:34 |
| micahg | we've shipped 0.8.2 since lucid | 19:34 |
| charlie-tca | So, it's committed to git today, still has to go a long ways to get to us | 19:34 |
| madnick | okay | 19:35 |
| madnick | It just makes it impossible to simulate while building themes | 19:35 |
| micahg | yeah, unless we took that original patch, we won't be affected | 19:35 |
| charlie-tca | But thanks for the heads up. | 19:35 |
| micahg | oh, wait | 19:35 |
| micahg | actually, it would be both patches that would be needed to fix the issue | 19:36 |
| micahg | Debian probably has the tty fix w/out the x11 fix | 19:36 |
| micahg | we have neither | 19:36 |
| madnick | If I knew the build process of xubuntu on this matter, I could fix it locally and keep simulating | 19:37 |
| madnick | Because its not a biggie in production | 19:38 |
| madnick | Just a big thing when wanting to simulate | 19:38 |
| Unit193 | Alright, LightDM has no autologin and changes BG color every boot (First had red, second is purple) | 21:45 |
| GridCube | i pissed off half the people on the ML :P | 21:46 |
| * Unit193 doesn't send to it for a reason! | 21:46 | |
| madnick | a RAW image editor? | 21:47 |
| charlie-tca | yeah | 21:47 |
| Unit193 | I'm sorry, but I don't know how to login to LightDM/Oneiric for today, I must be missing something | 21:47 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: yes, but you can login to live sessions now | 21:47 |
| astraljava | GridCube: Which ML? | 21:47 |
| charlie-tca | just click on Guest, and select Xubuntu session, and click login | 21:47 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: it's going good, isn't it? | 21:48 |
| charlie-tca | At least you got a discussion going | 21:48 |
| Unit193 | Did that the first time, no go :/ | 21:48 |
| charlie-tca | What/ | 21:48 |
| charlie-tca | ? | 21:48 |
| charlie-tca | I did 32bit in VBox and 64bit on hardware and both worked | 21:49 |
| GridCube | charlie-tca: :D its awesome | 21:49 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: I finally got it working. Is there a point for me testing then? | 21:49 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: and maybe they are right, we need a photo app instead of a drawing app | 21:49 |
| GridCube | yep | 21:50 |
| charlie-tca | yes, Unit193 | 21:50 |
| charlie-tca | How do we know I didn't do something stupid and make it work if no one else can? | 21:50 |
| GridCube | i was thinking the same thing, that should do the trick and if you need something bigger you sudo apt-get install gimp | 21:50 |
| madnick | I did not write anything about replacing GIMP, I like GIMP, for my photos I use my own editor | 21:50 |
| charlie-tca | How do you get the photos to the computer? | 21:51 |
| GridCube | magic! | 21:51 |
| madnick | Me? | 21:51 |
| charlie-tca | yes, Me? | 21:51 |
| madnick | Well, I use USB mount fat32 | 21:51 |
| charlie-tca | I never think about photo apps, since I don't have a camera | 21:52 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: Have you tried shotwell? | 21:52 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: yes | 21:52 |
| madnick | I think that its nice | 21:53 |
| charlie-tca | Would something like that do more good for users than gimp? | 21:53 |
| * GridCube thinks that more people uses cameras than make their own images from scratch | 21:53 | |
| charlie-tca | I mean, for me, gimp works well, but then again, I have no photos and no camera | 21:54 |
| madnick | Honestly, I don't know, but, isnt there a package servery? So its possible to see what people use | 21:54 |
| charlie-tca | no | 21:54 |
| charlie-tca | we prefer guessing | 21:54 |
| madnick | :P | 21:54 |
| charlie-tca | people tend to use whatever is default | 21:54 |
| charlie-tca | !photos | 21:54 |
| madnick | All I really do with my images is: Black and white, add text, rotate | 21:55 |
| astraljava | madnick: There's popcon, but that's not enabled by default. | 21:55 |
| madnick | over that, I use gimp | 21:55 |
| astraljava | Hardly anyone enables it themselves. | 21:55 |
| madnick | oh | 21:55 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: let's see what develops there. It might be time to toss gimp and put in photo something? | 21:56 |
| Unit193 | I'm doing Live entire install | 21:58 |
| charlie-tca | I don't think they hate you. Most of them seem to agree that gimp could be replaced | 21:58 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: how? | 21:58 |
| charlie-tca | I could not run the install from the live session | 21:59 |
| * micahg hopes he has time to review all the image viewer discussions before the meeting | 21:59 | |
| GridCube | i guess, but the thing is that the default image viewer should have some characteristics that should make it really usable, not just managing an image collection, but actually working whit it, i guess people use image viewers a lot more than editors tho, so that should be the default, and if needed one could add gimp/other | 21:59 |
| * micahg thought the default image viewer was ristretto | 21:59 | |
| madnick | it is | 21:59 |
| GridCube | ristretto sucks so much | 21:59 |
| madnick | But ristretto has limitations | 21:59 |
| micahg | ah, didn't know that was on the table as well | 22:00 |
| charlie-tca | does ristretto let you edit a photo, or download them from the camera, or organize them? | 22:00 |
| GridCube | lol i even forget about it on the comparison table | 22:00 |
| GridCube | no | 22:00 |
| charlie-tca | ristretto and gimp are not even close to the same thing | 22:00 |
| micahg | there should be a difference between viewer and editor | 22:00 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: there was no password set for guest so I set one for ubuntu and logged into that account and it had the installer on the desktop (And looked correct in general) so here I am now | 22:00 |
| madnick | Ristretto wont even let you switch images unless you selected them all | 22:00 |
| GridCube | nothing of that charlie-tca it doesnt even let you move trough a folder as its suppose to | 22:00 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: never even occurred to me to try that | 22:01 |
| Unit193 | Things break, I have to do an odd way to fix them | 22:01 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: let's propose it in the meeting, replace gimp with a photo thingy | 22:02 |
| GridCube | ok | 22:02 |
| GridCube | i hope i will have electricity back tonight/tomorrow | 22:02 |
| charlie-tca | If you want, you can pick which one we want,even | 22:02 |
| charlie-tca | I thought you had it back already :( | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | Images are no longer oversized, we can look into adding stuff again. But I think replacing gimp with the photo editor would be a good thing for Xubuntu. | 22:04 |
| * charlie-tca is behind technologically. No camera, no mp3 player, no ipod, no wii, no cellphone | 22:05 | |
| charlie-tca | lol, no nothing | 22:05 |
| madnick | I'd be really happy if I could *not* have a cellphone :D | 22:05 |
| Unit193 | I'm almost the same, but I lost my MP3 player :( I don't know how | 22:05 |
| madnick | I hate my cellphone so much | 22:05 |
| charlie-tca | I belong to the 5% of USA households with a real landline phone | 22:06 |
| Unit193 | Another person in our family has one, but I do not | 22:06 |
| madnick | Only reason I got a cellphone was to develop android applications :P But I never have any good ideas :( | 22:06 |
| madnick | Then people started taking my phone number, and calling me, now im stuck | 22:07 |
| dtchen | I have a 3G smartphone so I can fix bugs while I'm on the train. | 22:07 |
| madnick | :P | 22:07 |
| dtchen | probably a good 80% of my uploads this week have been over 3G | 22:07 |
| charlie-tca | I do have a laptop now, at least | 22:08 |
| charlie-tca | lol, over $400 in mice, no cellphone | 22:09 |
| GridCube | charlie-tca: im at work, but my brother just said to me trough gtalk that he was talking from our computer so i already have power there :D | 22:09 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: great! Glad to hear that | 22:09 |
| GridCube | :D yes! now i can attend sunday's meeting and also can start working on the top 10 FAQ | 22:09 |
| charlie-tca | I think I paid more for the mice here than the whole computer now | 22:10 |
| GridCube | hahaha | 22:10 |
| charlie-tca | You got a lot to do, GridCube | 22:10 |
| Unit193 | http://i.imgur.com/t3eFY.png | 22:11 |
| GridCube | :D i hope i can do it right | 22:11 |
| charlie-tca | FAQ's, photo thing, website reviews... | 22:11 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: very nice! | 22:12 |
| charlie-tca | We may not have the installs from desktop working for alpha3, but at least we will have a live session | 22:12 |
| Unit193 | Not so easy to tell people to switch to TTY1 change password, switch back and login when there is a boot menu for installing :P | 22:14 |
| charlie-tca | right | 22:15 |
| charlie-tca | but they can try first now, then restart, pick "Install Xubuntu" from the menu and know it will work for them | 22:16 |
| Unit193 | Exactly! That's one big step! | 22:17 |
| GridCube | i have landline phone :P and this is my cell phone http://www.celularis.com/wp-content/uploads/mt/imagenes/1100foto.jpg | 22:20 |
| pleia2 | GridCube is from the past | 22:20 |
| GridCube | :D | 22:21 |
| pleia2 | :) | 22:21 |
| GridCube | best phone ever | 22:21 |
| charlie-tca | according to dtchen, you all need 3G now. It just works. | 22:21 |
| charlie-tca | Well, that might not be quite 100% what he said, but it's close ;) | 22:22 |
| dtchen | it's only relevant if you enjoy fixing bugs more than you enjoy sleeping ;) | 22:31 |
| charlie-tca | These people are learning to, aren't they? | 22:39 |
| dtchen | charlie-tca: sorry, I don't understand the context of the question | 22:39 |
| astraljava | 3G sometimes works, sometimes not. When you need it, the latter. | 22:40 |
| charlie-tca | I think they are learning to enjoy fixing things. Most of the people here are new,though | 22:40 |
| GridCube | http://www.sysadminday.com/ | 22:40 |
| dtchen | charlie-tca: ah, yes | 22:40 |
| madnick | The 3G net here is really nice :) | 22:40 |
| madnick | Most people have 3G modems | 22:41 |
| dtchen | astraljava: I find 3G way more reliable than wifi | 22:41 |
| madnick | GridCube: lol i got a hug today because of that :P | 22:41 |
| madnick | a manly hug :( | 22:41 |
| astraljava | dtchen: For CLI, maybe. But trying to use Spotify, or other streaming media, while on the move... huh. | 22:41 |
| charlie-tca | Happy System Administrator Appreciation Day, to all the sysadmins out there! | 22:41 |
| astraljava | dtchen: Although, maybe it's just the phones I've been using. My 3G modem works fairly well. | 22:42 |
| GridCube | Systems Administrators Appreciation Day == SAAD | 22:43 |
| dtchen | astraljava: my Nexus S has been reliable, but I concur. | 22:44 |
| charlie-tca | Well, maybe not as SAAD as most days? | 22:44 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: I'll call it all working, just had to give it a pass | 23:16 |
| charlie-tca | Great! | 23:19 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks for doing that | 23:19 |
| Unit193 | I got wind they were working again. I shouldn't have done an entire desktop 32bit, but it's a test nontheless | 23:20 |
| Unit193 | *PASS* Just had to give user ubuntu a password and login with that | 23:22 |
| charlie-tca | well, we get a PASS for not being able to install from the desktop, too :) | 23:40 |
| charlie-tca | I been putting it in the topic if they are broken | 23:41 |
| Unit193 | Aye | 23:41 |
| madnick | there we go, plymouth code complete :) awaiting a "graphical eye" and some testing on a real machine (setting that part up now:)) | 23:43 |
| charlie-tca | great! got a real machine here running oneiric | 23:45 |
| madnick | wanna try it out? | 23:45 |
| charlie-tca | is it simple? | 23:45 |
| charlie-tca | sure | 23:46 |
| madnick | Depends on how you define simple :P | 23:46 |
| charlie-tca | Well, you know. When it breaks, how do I get back in? | 23:46 |
| charlie-tca | Let's try it | 23:46 |
| madnick | oh, well, we back stuff up, and then | 23:46 |
| madnick | you run update-alternatives | 23:46 |
| charlie-tca | huh? | 23:46 |
| madnick | we back it up | 23:47 |
| madnick | before we try | 23:47 |
| charlie-tca | we do? | 23:47 |
| madnick | If you want it back :P | 23:47 |
| charlie-tca | okay, let's do it | 23:47 |
| madnick | okay, gonna tar the files :) | 23:47 |
| charlie-tca | I got systems ready | 23:47 |
| madnick | give me 1 sec, need to check so the tar has all files | 23:49 |
| madnick | okay uploading | 23:50 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: http://madnick.se/~madnick/madnick-working-draft.tar.gz | 23:52 |
| charlie-tca | I got that. Now, where do the files go? | 23:54 |
| madnick | okay | 23:54 |
| madnick | put it in /lib/plymouth/themes | 23:54 |
| charlie-tca | okay, do I need to rename the folder? | 23:55 |
| madnick | keep it called madnick for now | 23:55 |
| madnick | it was easier to test than to rename it | 23:55 |
| charlie-tca | okay, got to go eat, then can run it. Will it run on reboot, or ?? | 23:56 |
| madnick | oh, no you need to run a command first | 23:56 |
| madnick | 1 sec | 23:56 |
| madnick | sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth | 23:57 |
| madnick | that should give you all the themes in there | 23:57 |
| madnick | and selected the one you put there | 23:58 |
| charlie-tca | There is only one alternative in link group default.plymouth: /lib/plymouth/themes/xubuntu-logo/xubuntu-logo.plymouth | 23:58 |
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