[04:15] <micahg> charlie-tca: FYI, tomorrow's images should have the messaging indicator back
[13:48] <madnick> knome: could you give me the transperant textbox? :)
[14:03] <charlie-tca> Desktop live session logs in after selecting session today
[14:03] <charlie-tca> Can not install from desktop, no password accepted
[14:09] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, micahg : thank you for the live sessions today
[14:17] <charlie-tca> Install from the menu is working
[14:17] <charlie-tca> Haven't tried the alternate images yet, but I seen a bug report that they are still broken until tomorrow
[14:39] <charlie-tca> Alternate images verified broken
[15:04] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: users are not added to the login screen after installing. hitting "Other...", entering the user name and password allows login though.
[15:40] <micahg> charlie-tca: same on preinstalled, lightdm bug I think (I'd actually prefer to keep it that way personally)
[15:41] <micahg> charlie-tca: and we're no longer oversized
[15:41] <charlie-tca> Yeah, got that one. Thank you very much!
[15:42] <charlie-tca> I don't mind that so much as not being able to install from the live session. But one step at a time. We HAVE a live session :)
[15:42] <charlie-tca> micahg: Have you found any arm images for us yet?
[15:42] <micahg> no, but I haven't looked
[15:43] <charlie-tca> I been looking, but forgot today. Will go see if I can find them. 
[15:47] <charlie-tca> micahg: not yet
[16:06] <charlie-tca> micahg: no mx51 images for alpha3
[16:06] <micahg> heh, ok
[16:07] <Wizard> good afternoon
[16:07] <charlie-tca> Good afternoon, Wizard 
[16:35] <charlie-tca> hm, moved my launcher panel to the side, now I keep losing it
[16:35] <pleia2> hehe
[16:35] <charlie-tca> well, at least not finding it when I go to the bottom of the screen ;)
[16:47] <Wizard> lol
[16:48] <Wizard> i have only 600px vertically, and i use a touchscreen (quite large panel, for easy clicking), so all my launchers don't fit vertically
[16:48] <Wizard> :S
[16:50] <charlie-tca> I only put a few launchers in the panel, I have about 8 I use all the time.
[16:50] <charlie-tca> and, shrinking the panel by 4% allows it to not hide the top under the top panel
[16:51] <charlie-tca> It does have a problem though. It keeps refreshing every few minutes, or maybe it is respawning.
[16:51] <madnick> how come its hidden by default btw?
[16:52] <charlie-tca> Keeps a bigger screen available, since as a hidden panel, it can be covered by applications
[16:54] <madnick> makes sense
[19:28] <micahg> charlie-tca: meeting sunday?
[19:29] <charlie-tca> micahg: yup
[19:29] <charlie-tca> 22:00 UTC
[19:31] <madnick> found a bug in plymouth, (talked to a dev and he discovered the source and fixed it) but it will still be bugged in xubuntu until we update it
[19:31] <madnick> this does not impact the boot process
[19:31] <madnick> But it will impact the X plugin
[19:32] <madnick> Dunno if you think its worth looking into
[19:32] <charlie-tca> bug number?
[19:33] <madnick> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/plymouth/commit/?id=973dd358b9544921604c6cfb5ed1c4cfb052a015
[19:33] <madnick> i talked to him on IRC
[19:33] <madnick> so i dont know if its filled a bug report
[19:34] <micahg> we're a whole version behind Debian + a lot of debian revisions on plymouth
[19:34] <madnick> oh
[19:34] <micahg> we've shipped 0.8.2 since lucid
[19:34] <charlie-tca> So, it's committed to git today, still has to go a long ways to get to us
[19:35] <madnick> okay
[19:35] <madnick> It just makes it impossible to simulate while building themes
[19:35] <micahg> yeah, unless we took that original patch, we won't be affected
[19:35] <charlie-tca> But thanks for the heads up.
[19:35] <micahg> oh, wait
[19:36] <micahg> actually, it would be both patches that would be needed to fix the issue
[19:36] <micahg> Debian probably has the tty fix w/out the x11 fix
[19:36] <micahg> we have neither
[19:37] <madnick> If I knew the build process of xubuntu on this matter, I could fix it locally and keep simulating
[19:38] <madnick> Because its not a biggie in production
[19:38] <madnick> Just a big thing when wanting to simulate
[21:45] <Unit193> Alright, LightDM has no autologin and changes BG color every boot (First had red, second is purple)
[21:46] <GridCube> i pissed off half the people on the ML  :P
[21:46]  * Unit193 doesn't send to it for a reason!
[21:47] <madnick> a RAW image editor?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> yeah
[21:47] <Unit193> I'm sorry, but I don't know how to login to LightDM/Oneiric for today, I must be missing something
[21:47] <charlie-tca> Unit193: yes, but you can login to live sessions now
[21:47] <astraljava> GridCube: Which ML?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> just click on Guest, and select Xubuntu session, and click login
[21:48] <charlie-tca> GridCube: it's going good, isn't it?
[21:48] <charlie-tca> At least you got a discussion going
[21:48] <Unit193> Did that the first time, no go :/
[21:48] <charlie-tca> What/
[21:48] <charlie-tca> ?
[21:49] <charlie-tca> I did 32bit in VBox and 64bit on hardware and both worked
[21:49] <GridCube> charlie-tca: :D its awesome
[21:49] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I finally got it working. Is there a point for me testing then?
[21:49] <charlie-tca> GridCube: and maybe they are right, we need a photo app instead of a drawing app
[21:50] <GridCube> yep
[21:50] <charlie-tca> yes, Unit193 
[21:50] <charlie-tca> How do we know I didn't do something stupid and make it work if no one else can?
[21:50] <GridCube> i was thinking the same thing, that should do the trick and if you need something bigger you sudo apt-get install gimp
[21:50] <madnick> I did not write anything about replacing GIMP, I like GIMP, for my photos I use my own editor
[21:51] <charlie-tca> How do you get the photos to the computer?
[21:51] <GridCube> magic!
[21:51] <madnick> Me?
[21:51] <charlie-tca> yes, Me?
[21:51] <madnick> Well, I use USB mount fat32
[21:52] <charlie-tca> I never think about photo apps, since I don't have a camera
[21:52] <charlie-tca> madnick: Have you tried shotwell?
[21:52] <madnick> charlie-tca: yes
[21:53] <madnick> I think that its nice
[21:53] <charlie-tca> Would something like that do more good for users than gimp?
[21:53]  * GridCube thinks that more people uses cameras than make their own images from scratch
[21:54] <charlie-tca> I mean, for me, gimp works well, but then again, I have no photos and no camera
[21:54] <madnick> Honestly, I don't know, but, isnt there a package servery? So its possible to see what people use
[21:54] <charlie-tca> no
[21:54] <charlie-tca> we prefer guessing
[21:54] <madnick> :P
[21:54] <charlie-tca> people tend to use whatever is default
[21:54] <charlie-tca> !photos
[21:55] <madnick> All I really do with my images is: Black and white, add text, rotate
[21:55] <astraljava> madnick: There's popcon, but that's not enabled by default.
[21:55] <madnick> over that, I use gimp
[21:55] <astraljava> Hardly anyone enables it themselves.
[21:55] <madnick> oh
[21:56] <charlie-tca> GridCube: let's see what develops there. It might be time to toss gimp and put in photo something?
[21:58] <Unit193> I'm doing Live entire install
[21:58] <charlie-tca> I don't think they hate you. Most of them seem to agree that gimp could be replaced
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Unit193: how?
[21:59] <charlie-tca> I could not run the install from the live session
[21:59]  * micahg hopes he has time to review all the image viewer discussions before the meeting
[21:59] <GridCube> i guess, but the thing is that the default image viewer should have some characteristics that should make it really usable, not just managing an image collection, but actually working whit it, i guess people use image viewers a lot more than editors tho, so that should be the default, and if needed one could add gimp/other
[21:59]  * micahg thought the default image viewer was ristretto
[21:59] <madnick> it is
[21:59] <GridCube> ristretto sucks so much
[21:59] <madnick> But ristretto has limitations
[22:00] <micahg> ah, didn't know that was on the table as well
[22:00] <charlie-tca> does ristretto let you edit a photo, or download them from the camera, or organize them?
[22:00] <GridCube> lol i even forget about it on the comparison table
[22:00] <GridCube> no
[22:00] <charlie-tca> ristretto and gimp are not even close to the same thing
[22:00] <micahg> there should be a difference between viewer and editor
[22:00] <Unit193> charlie-tca: there was no password set for guest so I set one for ubuntu and logged into that account and it had the installer on the desktop (And looked correct in general) so here I am now
[22:00] <madnick> Ristretto wont even let you switch images unless you selected them all
[22:00] <GridCube> nothing of that charlie-tca it doesnt even let you move trough a folder as its suppose to
[22:01] <charlie-tca> Unit193: never even occurred to me to try that
[22:01] <Unit193> Things break, I have to do an odd way to fix them
[22:02] <charlie-tca> GridCube: let's propose it in the meeting, replace gimp with a photo thingy
[22:02] <GridCube> ok
[22:02] <GridCube> i hope i will have electricity back tonight/tomorrow
[22:02] <charlie-tca> If you want, you can pick which one we want,even
[22:03] <charlie-tca> I thought you had it back already :(
[22:04] <charlie-tca> Images are no longer oversized, we can look into adding stuff again. But I think replacing gimp with the photo editor would be a good thing for Xubuntu.
[22:05]  * charlie-tca is behind technologically. No camera, no mp3 player, no ipod, no wii, no cellphone
[22:05] <charlie-tca> lol, no nothing
[22:05] <madnick> I'd be really happy if I could *not* have a cellphone :D
[22:05] <Unit193> I'm almost the same, but I lost my MP3 player :( I don't know how
[22:05] <madnick> I hate my cellphone so much
[22:06] <charlie-tca> I belong to the 5% of USA households with a real landline phone
[22:06] <Unit193> Another person in our family has one, but I do not
[22:06] <madnick> Only reason I got a cellphone was to develop android applications :P But I never have any good ideas :(
[22:07] <madnick> Then people started taking my phone number, and calling me, now im stuck
[22:07] <dtchen> I have a 3G smartphone so I can fix bugs while I'm on the train.
[22:07] <madnick> :P
[22:07] <dtchen> probably a good 80% of my uploads this week have been over 3G
[22:08] <charlie-tca> I do have a laptop now, at least
[22:09] <charlie-tca> lol, over $400 in mice, no cellphone
[22:09] <GridCube> charlie-tca: im at work, but my brother just said to me trough gtalk that he was talking from our computer so i already have power there :D
[22:09] <charlie-tca> GridCube: great! Glad to hear that
[22:09] <GridCube> :D yes! now i  can attend sunday's meeting and also can start working on the top 10 FAQ
[22:10] <charlie-tca> I think I paid more for the mice here than the whole computer now
[22:10] <GridCube> hahaha
[22:10] <charlie-tca> You got a lot to do, GridCube 
[22:11] <Unit193> http://i.imgur.com/t3eFY.png
[22:11] <GridCube> :D i hope i can do it right
[22:11] <charlie-tca> FAQ's, photo thing, website reviews...
[22:12] <charlie-tca> Unit193: very nice!
[22:12] <charlie-tca> We may not have the installs from desktop working for alpha3, but at least we will have a live session
[22:14] <Unit193> Not so easy to tell people to switch to TTY1 change password, switch back and login when there is a boot menu for installing :P
[22:15] <charlie-tca> right
[22:16] <charlie-tca> but they can try first now, then restart, pick "Install Xubuntu" from the menu and know it will work for them
[22:17] <Unit193> Exactly! That's one big step!
[22:20] <GridCube> i have landline phone :P and this is my cell phone http://www.celularis.com/wp-content/uploads/mt/imagenes/1100foto.jpg
[22:20] <pleia2> GridCube is from the past
[22:21] <GridCube> :D
[22:21] <pleia2> :)
[22:21] <GridCube> best phone ever
[22:21] <charlie-tca> according to dtchen, you all need 3G now. It just works.
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Well, that might not be quite 100% what he said, but it's close ;)
[22:31] <dtchen> it's only relevant if you enjoy fixing bugs more than you enjoy sleeping ;)
[22:39] <charlie-tca> These people are learning to, aren't they?
[22:39] <dtchen> charlie-tca: sorry, I don't understand the context of the question
[22:40] <astraljava> 3G sometimes works, sometimes not. When you need it, the latter.
[22:40] <charlie-tca> I think they are learning to enjoy fixing things. Most of the people here are new,though
[22:40] <GridCube> http://www.sysadminday.com/
[22:40] <dtchen> charlie-tca: ah, yes
[22:40] <madnick> The 3G net here is really nice :)
[22:41] <madnick> Most people have 3G modems
[22:41] <dtchen> astraljava: I find 3G way more reliable than wifi
[22:41] <madnick> GridCube: lol i got a hug today because of that :P
[22:41] <madnick> a manly hug :(
[22:41] <astraljava> dtchen: For CLI, maybe. But trying to use Spotify, or other streaming media, while on the move... huh.
[22:41] <charlie-tca> Happy System Administrator Appreciation Day, to all the sysadmins out there!
[22:42] <astraljava> dtchen: Although, maybe it's just the phones I've been using. My 3G modem works fairly well.
[22:43] <GridCube> Systems Administrators Appreciation Day == SAAD
[22:44] <dtchen> astraljava: my Nexus S has been reliable, but I concur.
[22:44] <charlie-tca> Well, maybe not as SAAD as most days?
[23:16] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I'll call it all working, just had to give it a pass
[23:19] <charlie-tca> Great!
[23:19] <charlie-tca> Thanks for doing that
[23:20] <Unit193> I got wind they were working again. I shouldn't have done an entire desktop 32bit, but it's a test nontheless
[23:22] <Unit193> *PASS* Just had to give user ubuntu a password and login with that
[23:40] <charlie-tca> well, we get a PASS for not being able to install from the desktop, too :)
[23:41] <charlie-tca> I been putting it in the topic if they are broken
[23:41] <Unit193> Aye
[23:43] <madnick> there we go, plymouth code complete :) awaiting a "graphical eye" and some testing on a real machine (setting that part up now:))
[23:45] <charlie-tca> great! got a real machine here running oneiric
[23:45] <madnick> wanna try it out?
[23:45] <charlie-tca> is it simple?
[23:46] <charlie-tca> sure
[23:46] <madnick> Depends on how you define simple :P
[23:46] <charlie-tca> Well, you know. When it breaks, how do I get back in?
[23:46] <charlie-tca> Let's try it
[23:46] <madnick> oh, well, we back stuff up, and then
[23:46] <madnick> you run update-alternatives
[23:46] <charlie-tca> huh?
[23:47] <madnick> we back it up
[23:47] <madnick> before we try
[23:47] <charlie-tca> we do?
[23:47] <madnick> If you want it back :P
[23:47] <charlie-tca> okay, let's do it
[23:47] <madnick> okay, gonna tar the files :)
[23:47] <charlie-tca> I got systems ready
[23:49] <madnick> give me 1 sec, need to check so the tar has all files
[23:50] <madnick> okay uploading
[23:52] <madnick> charlie-tca: http://madnick.se/~madnick/madnick-working-draft.tar.gz
[23:54] <charlie-tca> I got that. Now, where do the files go?
[23:54] <madnick> okay
[23:54] <madnick> put it in /lib/plymouth/themes
[23:55] <charlie-tca> okay, do I need to rename the folder?
[23:55] <madnick> keep it called madnick for now
[23:55] <madnick> it was easier to test than to rename it
[23:56] <charlie-tca> okay, got to go eat, then can run it. Will it run on reboot, or ??
[23:56] <madnick> oh, no you need to run a command first
[23:56] <madnick> 1 sec
[23:57] <madnick> sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[23:57] <madnick> that should give you all the themes in there
[23:58] <madnick> and selected the one you put there
[23:58] <charlie-tca> There is only one alternative in link group default.plymouth: /lib/plymouth/themes/xubuntu-logo/xubuntu-logo.plymouth