[04:15] charlie-tca: FYI, tomorrow's images should have the messaging indicator back [13:48] knome: could you give me the transperant textbox? :) === ChanServ changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Want to get involved? See: http://xubuntu.org/contribute | #xubuntu for support, #xubuntu-offtopic for general discussion | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Xubuntu Community meeting 2011-07-31 | Oneiric Alternate images are broken [14:03] Desktop live session logs in after selecting session today [14:03] Can not install from desktop, no password accepted [14:09] mr_pouit, micahg : thank you for the live sessions today [14:17] Install from the menu is working [14:17] Haven't tried the alternate images yet, but I seen a bug report that they are still broken until tomorrow [14:39] Alternate images verified broken [15:04] mr_pouit: users are not added to the login screen after installing. hitting "Other...", entering the user name and password allows login though. [15:40] charlie-tca: same on preinstalled, lightdm bug I think (I'd actually prefer to keep it that way personally) [15:41] charlie-tca: and we're no longer oversized [15:41] Yeah, got that one. Thank you very much! [15:42] I don't mind that so much as not being able to install from the live session. But one step at a time. We HAVE a live session :) [15:42] micahg: Have you found any arm images for us yet? [15:42] no, but I haven't looked [15:43] I been looking, but forgot today. Will go see if I can find them. [15:47] micahg: not yet [16:06] micahg: no mx51 images for alpha3 [16:06] heh, ok [16:07] good afternoon [16:07] Good afternoon, Wizard [16:35] hm, moved my launcher panel to the side, now I keep losing it [16:35] hehe [16:35] well, at least not finding it when I go to the bottom of the screen ;) [16:47] lol [16:48] i have only 600px vertically, and i use a touchscreen (quite large panel, for easy clicking), so all my launchers don't fit vertically [16:48] :S [16:50] I only put a few launchers in the panel, I have about 8 I use all the time. [16:50] and, shrinking the panel by 4% allows it to not hide the top under the top panel [16:51] It does have a problem though. It keeps refreshing every few minutes, or maybe it is respawning. [16:51] how come its hidden by default btw? [16:52] Keeps a bigger screen available, since as a hidden panel, it can be covered by applications [16:54] makes sense [19:28] charlie-tca: meeting sunday? [19:29] micahg: yup [19:29] 22:00 UTC [19:31] found a bug in plymouth, (talked to a dev and he discovered the source and fixed it) but it will still be bugged in xubuntu until we update it [19:31] this does not impact the boot process [19:31] But it will impact the X plugin [19:32] Dunno if you think its worth looking into [19:32] bug number? [19:33] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/plymouth/commit/?id=973dd358b9544921604c6cfb5ed1c4cfb052a015 [19:33] i talked to him on IRC [19:33] so i dont know if its filled a bug report [19:34] we're a whole version behind Debian + a lot of debian revisions on plymouth [19:34] oh [19:34] we've shipped 0.8.2 since lucid [19:34] So, it's committed to git today, still has to go a long ways to get to us [19:35] okay [19:35] It just makes it impossible to simulate while building themes [19:35] yeah, unless we took that original patch, we won't be affected [19:35] But thanks for the heads up. [19:35] oh, wait [19:36] actually, it would be both patches that would be needed to fix the issue [19:36] Debian probably has the tty fix w/out the x11 fix [19:36] we have neither [19:37] If I knew the build process of xubuntu on this matter, I could fix it locally and keep simulating [19:38] Because its not a biggie in production [19:38] Just a big thing when wanting to simulate [21:45] Alright, LightDM has no autologin and changes BG color every boot (First had red, second is purple) [21:46] i pissed off half the people on the ML :P [21:46] * Unit193 doesn't send to it for a reason! [21:47] a RAW image editor? [21:47] yeah [21:47] I'm sorry, but I don't know how to login to LightDM/Oneiric for today, I must be missing something [21:47] Unit193: yes, but you can login to live sessions now [21:47] GridCube: Which ML? [21:47] just click on Guest, and select Xubuntu session, and click login [21:48] GridCube: it's going good, isn't it? [21:48] At least you got a discussion going [21:48] Did that the first time, no go :/ [21:48] What/ [21:48] ? [21:49] I did 32bit in VBox and 64bit on hardware and both worked [21:49] charlie-tca: :D its awesome [21:49] charlie-tca: I finally got it working. Is there a point for me testing then? [21:49] GridCube: and maybe they are right, we need a photo app instead of a drawing app [21:50] yep [21:50] yes, Unit193 [21:50] How do we know I didn't do something stupid and make it work if no one else can? [21:50] i was thinking the same thing, that should do the trick and if you need something bigger you sudo apt-get install gimp [21:50] I did not write anything about replacing GIMP, I like GIMP, for my photos I use my own editor [21:51] How do you get the photos to the computer? [21:51] magic! [21:51] Me? [21:51] yes, Me? [21:51] Well, I use USB mount fat32 [21:52] I never think about photo apps, since I don't have a camera [21:52] madnick: Have you tried shotwell? [21:52] charlie-tca: yes [21:53] I think that its nice [21:53] Would something like that do more good for users than gimp? [21:53] * GridCube thinks that more people uses cameras than make their own images from scratch [21:54] I mean, for me, gimp works well, but then again, I have no photos and no camera [21:54] Honestly, I don't know, but, isnt there a package servery? So its possible to see what people use [21:54] no [21:54] we prefer guessing [21:54] :P [21:54] people tend to use whatever is default [21:54] !photos [21:55] All I really do with my images is: Black and white, add text, rotate [21:55] madnick: There's popcon, but that's not enabled by default. [21:55] over that, I use gimp [21:55] Hardly anyone enables it themselves. [21:55] oh [21:56] GridCube: let's see what develops there. It might be time to toss gimp and put in photo something? [21:58] I'm doing Live entire install [21:58] I don't think they hate you. Most of them seem to agree that gimp could be replaced [21:58] Unit193: how? [21:59] I could not run the install from the live session [21:59] * micahg hopes he has time to review all the image viewer discussions before the meeting [21:59] i guess, but the thing is that the default image viewer should have some characteristics that should make it really usable, not just managing an image collection, but actually working whit it, i guess people use image viewers a lot more than editors tho, so that should be the default, and if needed one could add gimp/other [21:59] * micahg thought the default image viewer was ristretto [21:59] it is [21:59] ristretto sucks so much [21:59] But ristretto has limitations [22:00] ah, didn't know that was on the table as well [22:00] does ristretto let you edit a photo, or download them from the camera, or organize them? [22:00] lol i even forget about it on the comparison table [22:00] no [22:00] ristretto and gimp are not even close to the same thing [22:00] there should be a difference between viewer and editor [22:00] charlie-tca: there was no password set for guest so I set one for ubuntu and logged into that account and it had the installer on the desktop (And looked correct in general) so here I am now [22:00] Ristretto wont even let you switch images unless you selected them all [22:00] nothing of that charlie-tca it doesnt even let you move trough a folder as its suppose to [22:01] Unit193: never even occurred to me to try that [22:01] Things break, I have to do an odd way to fix them [22:02] GridCube: let's propose it in the meeting, replace gimp with a photo thingy [22:02] ok [22:02] i hope i will have electricity back tonight/tomorrow [22:02] If you want, you can pick which one we want,even [22:03] I thought you had it back already :( [22:04] Images are no longer oversized, we can look into adding stuff again. But I think replacing gimp with the photo editor would be a good thing for Xubuntu. [22:05] * charlie-tca is behind technologically. No camera, no mp3 player, no ipod, no wii, no cellphone [22:05] lol, no nothing [22:05] I'd be really happy if I could *not* have a cellphone :D [22:05] I'm almost the same, but I lost my MP3 player :( I don't know how [22:05] I hate my cellphone so much [22:06] I belong to the 5% of USA households with a real landline phone [22:06] Another person in our family has one, but I do not [22:06] Only reason I got a cellphone was to develop android applications :P But I never have any good ideas :( [22:07] Then people started taking my phone number, and calling me, now im stuck [22:07] I have a 3G smartphone so I can fix bugs while I'm on the train. [22:07] :P [22:07] probably a good 80% of my uploads this week have been over 3G [22:08] I do have a laptop now, at least [22:09] lol, over $400 in mice, no cellphone [22:09] charlie-tca: im at work, but my brother just said to me trough gtalk that he was talking from our computer so i already have power there :D [22:09] GridCube: great! Glad to hear that [22:09] :D yes! now i can attend sunday's meeting and also can start working on the top 10 FAQ [22:10] I think I paid more for the mice here than the whole computer now [22:10] hahaha [22:10] You got a lot to do, GridCube [22:11] http://i.imgur.com/t3eFY.png [22:11] :D i hope i can do it right [22:11] FAQ's, photo thing, website reviews... [22:12] Unit193: very nice! [22:12] We may not have the installs from desktop working for alpha3, but at least we will have a live session [22:14] Not so easy to tell people to switch to TTY1 change password, switch back and login when there is a boot menu for installing :P [22:15] right [22:16] but they can try first now, then restart, pick "Install Xubuntu" from the menu and know it will work for them [22:17] Exactly! That's one big step! [22:20] i have landline phone :P and this is my cell phone http://www.celularis.com/wp-content/uploads/mt/imagenes/1100foto.jpg [22:20] GridCube is from the past [22:21] :D [22:21] :) [22:21] best phone ever [22:21] according to dtchen, you all need 3G now. It just works. [22:22] Well, that might not be quite 100% what he said, but it's close ;) [22:31] it's only relevant if you enjoy fixing bugs more than you enjoy sleeping ;) [22:39] These people are learning to, aren't they? [22:39] charlie-tca: sorry, I don't understand the context of the question [22:40] 3G sometimes works, sometimes not. When you need it, the latter. [22:40] I think they are learning to enjoy fixing things. Most of the people here are new,though [22:40] http://www.sysadminday.com/ [22:40] charlie-tca: ah, yes [22:40] The 3G net here is really nice :) [22:41] Most people have 3G modems [22:41] astraljava: I find 3G way more reliable than wifi [22:41] GridCube: lol i got a hug today because of that :P [22:41] a manly hug :( [22:41] dtchen: For CLI, maybe. But trying to use Spotify, or other streaming media, while on the move... huh. [22:41] Happy System Administrator Appreciation Day, to all the sysadmins out there! [22:42] dtchen: Although, maybe it's just the phones I've been using. My 3G modem works fairly well. [22:43] Systems Administrators Appreciation Day == SAAD [22:44] astraljava: my Nexus S has been reliable, but I concur. [22:44] Well, maybe not as SAAD as most days? [23:16] charlie-tca: I'll call it all working, just had to give it a pass [23:19] Great! [23:19] Thanks for doing that [23:20] I got wind they were working again. I shouldn't have done an entire desktop 32bit, but it's a test nontheless [23:22] *PASS* Just had to give user ubuntu a password and login with that [23:40] well, we get a PASS for not being able to install from the desktop, too :) [23:41] I been putting it in the topic if they are broken [23:41] Aye [23:43] there we go, plymouth code complete :) awaiting a "graphical eye" and some testing on a real machine (setting that part up now:)) [23:45] great! got a real machine here running oneiric [23:45] wanna try it out? [23:45] is it simple? [23:46] sure [23:46] Depends on how you define simple :P [23:46] Well, you know. When it breaks, how do I get back in? [23:46] Let's try it [23:46] oh, well, we back stuff up, and then [23:46] you run update-alternatives [23:46] huh? [23:47] we back it up [23:47] before we try [23:47] we do? [23:47] If you want it back :P [23:47] okay, let's do it [23:47] okay, gonna tar the files :) [23:47] I got systems ready [23:49] give me 1 sec, need to check so the tar has all files [23:50] okay uploading [23:52] charlie-tca: http://madnick.se/~madnick/madnick-working-draft.tar.gz [23:54] I got that. Now, where do the files go? [23:54] okay [23:54] put it in /lib/plymouth/themes [23:55] okay, do I need to rename the folder? [23:55] keep it called madnick for now [23:55] it was easier to test than to rename it [23:56] okay, got to go eat, then can run it. Will it run on reboot, or ?? [23:56] oh, no you need to run a command first [23:56] 1 sec [23:57] sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth [23:57] that should give you all the themes in there [23:58] and selected the one you put there [23:58] There is only one alternative in link group default.plymouth: /lib/plymouth/themes/xubuntu-logo/xubuntu-logo.plymouth