[00:00] JontheEchidna: btw. fun bug in 1.7.3, take shears and destroy leaves, you'll get leaf blocks out of it. Not that you can do much with them (except model your own design tree) [00:00] iirc that was intentional [00:01] yup [00:01] o.O [00:01] shears can also be used to tear down placed wool faster [00:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruning_shears [01:45] needs some work, but: http://i.imgur.com/krVoC.png [01:45] a replacement for the screenshot dialog :) [01:46] doesn't take too well for pictures bigger than the viewport [02:03] take 2: http://i.imgur.com/pfA0V.png [02:04] I got a few people to take a look at Muon at OSCON [02:05] I had my netbook set up for people to use at the ubuntu booth [02:05] I wish I'd had kub. stickers to give away [02:05] but I gave them all away at LFNW [02:29] valorie: neat [02:30] I should have been more picky [02:30] but stickers are cool [02:30] * valorie adds [02:30] aquire stickers to next year's TODO list [03:18] my Kubuntu folder has 8,200 mails in it. [03:18] Quintasan: it's almost over 9000! [03:20] I would explode if I had that many emils [03:20] me, not my email client [04:16] dear lord: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/9 [04:16] er [04:16] http://i.imgur.com/vBZ2b.png [04:17] makes me want to go back to kmail1 [04:38] I now use 500 MB to read my email :( [04:38] Might just switch to using the online GMail client, honestly [04:39] the problem is the akondai nepomuk thing, right? I think there was a post on Planet KDE about disabling that recently. [04:39] akonadi ** [04:40] yes, exactly [04:40] thanks, I'll look for that [04:40] ah, there it is. http://blogs.kde.org/node/4457 [04:43] we should disable the feeder's autostart in kubuntu-default-settings until that's fixed === rww is now known as tardis === tardis is now known as rww [06:05] Quintasan : hi [06:07] i got a black screen after i upgrade to 4.7 while logon to kubuntu after gdm [06:07] anything that i can do to fix it? === ejat- is now known as ejat [06:15] yofel_ ? === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [10:02] good morning === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:31] yofel: seems quiet today... [10:31] probably, everyone's tried ^^ [10:36] yofel: is weekend after all, stuck doing server install myself [11:27] Hey, has anybody noticed that upgrading to 4.7 causes font settings to reset? [11:27] Font size settings to be specific [11:28] Didn't happen to me - but I might very well be using the default settings on my desktop.. [11:30] I dont know about other settings than size, others are default [11:37] Nice packaging work anyway, thank you very much! [11:38] yofel: welcome to the kubuntu drinking squad :D [11:38] hehe [11:38] yofel turns 18 today? [11:38] no, I became kubuntu-dev yesterday :P [11:38] Ah. [11:39] :) [11:39] in a way they are the same thing really [11:39] Haha, indeed, indeed [11:39] well, we can take care of the drinking part in berlin :P [11:40] yofel: Congratulations anyway. Why your nickname is mispelled on the topic? [11:40] good question, blame Scott [11:40] :) [11:40] So you're going to desktopsummit? [11:40] yep [11:41] Lucky guys. [12:07] apachelogger_: who do I need to talk to again about the package set? For some reason kdevplatform and kdevelop are in there, but kdevelop-php and kdevelop-php-docs aren't [12:10] cjwatson IIRC [12:10] k [12:15] apachelogger_: nvm, they're in universe, that's why they're not in the set [12:17] * apachelogger_ proposes solution for bug: yofel should apply for motu :P [12:18] hm [12:18] true [12:18] ScottK: actually, is that a strict rule that the set must not contain universe components? [12:19] maybe it's just that nobody complained so far ^^ [12:19] I figure we might eventually end up with quite some kde core parts (or stuff close to KDE core) that is in universe, though since it is core KDEish it'd still be in the area of interest of kubuntu devs [12:19] ScottK: plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets would be a past example of such a thing [12:20] yofel: it is always that, of course it is just more work compared to core-dev motu -.- [12:20] heh [12:20] of course if e.g. archive admins were able to add packages to a given package set when they let stuff into the archive that would make the sets way more useful [12:21] motu is on my todo list anyway [12:32] I'll just poke cjw, he'll know [12:39] someone explain to me how seeds work again please... [12:45] The seeds files are here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.oneiric/files Editing them should be fairly straightforward; kubuntu-common is used as the base for all our seeds, with desktop being for what ends up getting installed on the desktop CD, and live being for livecd specific packages [12:45] once you commit your changes there, apt-get source kubuntu-meta [12:45] then run the update script in the top level folder [12:45] debuild, upload [12:46] what's the 'supported' one for? [12:46] for stuff that should be in main that can't fit on the DVD [12:47] was asking cjwatson about kdevelop-php, response: [12:47] shouldn't those be in the Kubuntu seeds if the Kubuntu development community intends to support them? [12:47] if you do that, then (a) they will be pulled into main, (b) they'll (mostly) automatically end up in your package set to [12:47] I'd prefer not to add manual exceptions for things that can be done by seeding things, as it gets hard to maintain [12:49] I'd personally throw kdevelop-php on the DVD [12:49] bbiab [12:50] true, kdevelop is on the DVD. Btw. what's the difference between packages with and without brackets? [12:53] brackets? [12:53] yofel: packages in brackets are optional/recommended [12:53] ah [12:53] shadeslayer: see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.oneiric/view/head:/dvd [12:53] ah [12:54] man germinate for the full details [12:54] apachelogger_: free for a bit? [12:55] looking [12:56] yofel: rule of thumb: use brackets :P [12:56] the less deps kubuntu-* has the bettar [12:57] heh [12:57] shadeslayer: you broke my qtcreator [12:57] \o/ [12:58] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/103663/ << any ideas why my highlighter is only shown for the first element? [12:58] shadeslayer: only one item can be highlighted? :P [12:59] I very much think you are using it wrong [12:59] nope, my list has 3 entries [12:59] apachelogger: oh, how so? [13:00] shadeslayer: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-listview.html#highlightItem-prop [13:00] RTFM [13:00] you mean RTFD ;) [13:01] ah hmm [13:04] ok, did I get this right? If one would add kdevelop-php to the dvd seed, kdevelop-php-docs would end up in supported by Extra-Includeds: ... *-docs ... ? [13:04] *Includes [13:04] bah, *Include [13:10] apachelogger: i think my mouse area is wrong [13:11] because the highlight shows for the first element whenever my mouse enters the list area [13:11] so even if i'm hovering on item 3, it highlight's item 1 [13:11] and as soon as i go out of the list, the highlight is removed [13:12] yofel: I guess so [13:12] but why do we have kdevelop on the dvd? [13:12] apachelogger: might have something to do with the fact that i store the entire list under one key [13:12] epic [13:15] :P [13:29] apachelogger: is there still a ppa for ubuntuone-kde? [13:45] shadeslayer: Can you test AutoKey-Qt? [13:45] shadeslayer: I can't get it to work with keyboard input [13:46] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdeartwork] Philip Muškovac * 118 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1 [13:55] bbl [13:58] FFS [13:58] Y U NO WORK AUTOKEY [14:24] Quintasan: what is autokey? [14:31] apachelogger: Exactly what the name would imply. Keyboard automation, text expansion etc. [14:36] no idea what all that means === tazz_ is now known as tazz === timblechmann is now known as tim [15:12] re [15:21] Quintasan: its tf2 time, will look at it later [16:01] apachelogger ping [16:02] sheytan: pong [16:02] apachelogger: can you write down everything you need to finish the player? [16:03] everything [16:03] * apachelogger needs a complete UI spec [16:03] ok [16:03] what does it look like when you start it? what can you do in that interface, are there animations when you do something etc. etc. [16:04] Let me write that for you. Have no time for new artwork right now, but i will do it :) [16:04] sure, I can throw in place holders for artwork ^^ [16:04] apachelogger can you get rid of win decos? [16:04] I can, mgraesslin will not like it though [16:04] he doesn't have to :) [16:05] hi there, I get deps issues while trying to upgrade to 4.7 packages. Can anyone look into this and suggest if there is any packaging bug. http://paste.ubuntu.com/655177/ [16:05] or at least make the decos same colors as controller background (dark) [16:05] sheytan: considering it will be part of the kde workspace's default offering for multimedia I do very much think that he needs to be ok with it [16:05] I know that I can't proceed with the suggested solution by aptitude.. [16:06] I am on natty with KDE 4.6.5 [16:06] the solution is to not use aptitude for starters [16:06] as it is not supported [16:07] apachelogger imho every kde app should be able to set different color scheme :) [16:09] arpan: btw, those suggestions seem just fine [16:09] kdebase-{runtime,workspace} was renamed to kde-{runtime,workspace} [16:09] arpan: It's all good, those are transition removals [16:10] the libs in question probably got an ABI bump [16:10] apachelogger: thanks.. you mean if I proceed, i can have working kubuntu desktop? [16:10] nepomukcontroller was included in runtime [16:10] arpan: Yes it will work normally [16:10] plasma-scriptengine-declarative was included in workspace [16:11] apachelogger, Quintasan : thanks... let me try it and will post feedback on kubuntu feedback page.. thanks a ton!! :) [16:11] Quintasan: wanna package phonon-backend-vlc with .xz tar? ^^ [16:11] apachelogger: Can try [16:12] Quintasan: http://aplg.kollide.net/phonon/pvlc-0.4.1/phonon-backend-vlc-0.4.1.tar.xz [16:12] I've got guests right now, I'll tackle it a littler bit later [16:12] like in 30 min [16:12] ah sure [16:12] still waiting for testing on that tar anyway [16:12] (and a sho to publish it ^^) [16:15] sheytan: I have the power to add windecos and to annoy artists :-) [16:15] that means: if I do everything correct apachelogger won't be able to remove windecos in 4.8 [16:16] bonkers [16:16] mgraesslin: please don't! :D [16:17] sheytan: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/open-letter-the-issues-with-client-side-window-decorations/ [16:17] mgraesslin: i'm against client-side windecos. But the possibility to not require windecos is a good idea :) [16:18] which *is* csd [16:18] * apachelogger agrees with mgraesslin very much [16:19] mgraesslin: if so, then just allow to change the windecos color. Independent from KDE settings [16:19] either a window is fullscreen or it needs decorations or it is part of the desktop shell [16:19] sheytan: impossible that is part of the client which kwin doesn't have control about [16:20] s/client/deco plugin/g [16:20] mgraesslin meant: "sheytan: impossible that is part of the deco plugin which kwin doesn't have control about" [16:21] mgraesslin: so now imaginge digikam with dark theme and light widecos. This is crap :) [16:21] sheytan: this is the fault of digikam by switching the theme [16:21] no application should be "special" [16:21] not even if it is a KDE application [16:21] we have global settings for that [16:22] mgraesslin: What if i wish amarok to be a dark colored app couse it looks way better that way, but dolphin doesn't. Can't do that with global settings, right? [16:23] well no, but that's a pretty bad argument for CSD [16:23] because we *could* fix that even with normal decorations if we wanted to [16:23] that is: ask Hugo [16:24] mgraesslin: you said we can't change app colors without csd [16:24] no I didn't [16:25] I only said that KWin cannot change the color of the deco [16:25] which doesn't mean that we cannot do it without CSD [16:25] mgraesslin: well, the easiest way to change the decos colors would be the ability to change the whole app colors, right? [16:26] yes, but how that is implemented is completely irrelevant to the user, application developer and artist [16:26] it's part of the widget style (which in our case is also the deco) [16:27] it would be rather trivial for Hugo with his current approach of client/deco sync to adjust it [16:27] mgraesslin: so if a developer decides to add the possibility to change app colors, then only that way it will be possible? [16:28] sheytan: it clearly depends, iff the widget style is Oxygen and iff the windeco is Oxygen then the settings could be synced [16:28] * apachelogger points out that the player aint gonna be using qwidgets :P [16:29] in case of the developer wants more control then it is clear that he is an idiot and is about to break the consistency of the workspace and that has to be prohibited [16:29] e.g. we don't need a skype with custom windows look [16:31] btw. for Wayland we need windecos for all windows due to technical constrainst - just wanted to mention it [16:34] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kgamma] Philip Muškovac * 4 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1 [16:38] apachelogger ready [16:38] can i have your mail [16:38] ? [16:38] sitter@kde.org [16:42] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kgeography] Philip Muškovac * 6 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1 [16:44] apachelogger: sent. ask if any ;) [16:45] * sheytan is going to reboot [16:47] sheytan: ping me when you get back please [16:48] hey jussi [16:48] o/ highvoltage [16:49] sheytan: you back now? [16:56] aww [17:07] sheytan: ping [17:08] apachelogger: btw, did you see this? I think you mentioned wanting something like thaat at UDS: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dR-Volf-U44/TjNtxTynFDI/AAAAAAAAAG4/PSDseUeTB4E/s1024/overlay.png [17:08] luvely [17:08] now you need blur :P [17:08] and perhaps even darker [17:09] currently I'm just setting the background color to 0,0,0 with some transparency [17:09] actually I mostly ripped some code of from akonadi [17:12] JontheEchidna: oh the famous overlay code ^^ [17:12] I also borrowed that for busy indication in the ubuntusso gui I did ^^ [17:16] JontheEchidna: This is fabulous [17:16] apachelogger: I'm almost done with telepathy-kde ppa [17:20] oh, Grid layout crash fixed [17:20] * yofel goes cherry-picking [17:25] JontheEchidna: could do with a border of some sort so it can't be mistaken for a window [17:26] apachelogger: Do you want me to upload new vlc backend to archive? [17:27] jussi: Want me to grab sheytan? [17:27] is the "Page One" thing for plasma-netbook a Kubuntu thing or upstream? [17:29] Quintasan: not yet [17:30] apachelogger: It works without doing anything to the packaging [17:30] lovable [17:30] back [17:31] jussi: ^ [17:31] sheytan: how should one open files? [17:31] regular file open dialog? [17:32] apachelogger yes, in menu bar: dragonplayer->play media/open file [17:32] * apachelogger wonders how to get this working with qml ^^ [17:33] * sheytan wonders hoow to get a nice font like in oneiric devel preiview :D [17:33] did any one tested the PIM stuff in experimental? [17:34] Does it causes any known problems right now? [17:35] shadeslayer: I did, it works fairly well on VM [17:38] Quintasan did you mean me? [17:38] Yes [17:38] Tabfail :S [17:40] good, grid desktop fix works :) [17:41] sheytan: are you sure you want a regular menubar? seems kinda unfashionable to me [17:51] https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa/+packages [17:51] Anyone up for a test? [17:51] :D [17:52] Quintasan: that was IM right? [17:52] Huh? [17:52] That's telepathy-kde ppa :P [17:53] valorie: ping [17:59] Quintasan: I can test, though test results won't be all that good I don't think [18:00] Linkmaster: Go ahead in 2 minutes [18:00] Linkmaster: waiting for text-ui to be published [18:00] Linkmaster: install telepathy-kde metapackage [18:01] I should probably make sure 4.7 is completely installed though...I haven't logged out of X yet [18:02] Linkmaster: doesnt matter [18:02] Hm, okay [18:02] Linkmaster: it's not really 4.7.0 dependant [18:03] Well, I want 4.7, so I'm going to log out, then add the ppa, install it. Is it a framework, or a new IM system? I currently use kopete [18:04] wait..how do you add this? I don't see a "ppa:telepathy" or whatnot..I'm still learning :( [18:04] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdeplasma-addons] Philip Muškovac * 166 * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Cherry-pick upstream commit 67b5c56e564f5052238bab38342a85e5f4af570b as kubuntu_Fix-assignment-operator-and-add-copy-constructor.diff to fix crash when using the desktop grid layout. [18:05] Linkmaster: ppa:telepathy-kde/ppa [18:05] I was close in my guess. Thanks! I shall hop to it, and inform you of what happens [18:05] Linkmaster: It's a frontend to Telepathy which is a communication frontend [18:05] It'll install whatever it needs as well, correct? [18:06] Linkmaster: it should [18:06] Okay, be back momentarily [18:16] only 4(fb, gtalk, jabber, wlive) available in telepathy acc type? [18:17] jemparing: you need telepathy-gabble or something like that as well [18:17] * jemparing currently testing telepathy [18:17] Quintasan: ^^ did you add those deps? [18:17] shadeslayer: i see [18:18] jemparing: there are a couple of packages that provide functionality for extra accounts [18:18] tp-haze, tp-gabble, tp-butterfly [18:18] afaik telepathy-accounts-kcm-plugins should recommend em [18:18] those are the ones i remember off the top of my head [18:18] bbiab [18:18] haze is stupid imo [18:18] adding another layer [18:20] sheytan, apachelogger, jussi, valorie, shadeslayer, yofel: Can has redents? http://identi.ca/notice/80063905 [18:21] * yofel wonders when he closed choqok o.O [18:22] shadeslayer: telepathy-kde recommends tp-butterfly and tp-haze and suggests tp-gablle [18:22] there is also sunshine [18:22] salut and idle as well [18:23] i haven't dented in a while [18:24] shadeslayer: Do it [18:24] slow intrawebz still opening [18:24] Quintasan: i think we should follow empathy in this regards [18:25] What? [18:25] Quintasan: for kde-telepathy [18:25] You mean recommended tp-* stuff? [18:25] *tp-kde i mean [18:25] yes [18:26] empathy recommends gabble, salut, haze, butterfly [18:26] I have no idea why I should change that now, it's 0.1 and not everything is supposed to work [18:26] I believe haze doubles acc types [18:27] sheytan: Thanks [18:27] Quintasan: done [18:27] kubotu: cookies for shadeslayer and sheytan [18:28] derp [18:28] kubotu: order cookies for shadeslayer and sheytan [18:28] * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to shadeslayer and sheytan. [18:28] i'd prefer a sub :P [18:28] * yofel goes installing tp [18:29] * Quintasan goes playing games [18:34] ok, how does one actually use telepathy-kde now? [18:34] Quintasan: I tried installing 'telepathy-kde metapackage' but it said something about the metapackage, which means I probably did it wrong, but I am currently installing telepathy-kde, and have enabled the ppa you gave me, so hopefully its the right one [18:34] Linkmaster: yes [18:35] telepathy-kde is a package which is a metapackage [18:35] its telepathy-kde [18:35] Got it :D [18:35] since it doesnt contain anything on it's own, it only depends on other packages so we tell uses to install one instead of install that this and that [18:37] so does telepathy appear in sys-tray? [18:37] coz i cant see mine [18:38] Quintasan: how does one run tp-kde? [18:38] yofel: add account in system settings [18:38] then you should ave telepathy-contatcs list in menu [18:39] ah, found it [18:40] the logos when selecting the network are far too small [18:42] when adding your account data there's no default resource name for jabber, wouldn't hurt to set one IMO [18:43] Quintasan: ok, now I'm online [18:43] now how do I use it? [18:46] Well, I can connect my facebook, gmail, and @live with the telepathy, but I can't see any of my contacts [18:47] hm... [18:47] sheytan: ping [18:47] * yofel looks for a widget [18:47] I got it [18:47] I like telepathy..its smoother then kopete [18:49] how can I make the widget show my jabber status? http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/tp1.png [18:49] and what's that other acc. ? [18:51] Presence control widget? Where can that be found? [18:52] check in widget [18:55] ah, the left part controls all accounts I guess [19:01] yofel: you can set your status in that line edit [19:01] and then iirc it pop's up into the part on the right as well [19:01] also, http://wstaw.org/m/2011/07/30/plasma-desktopxx1493.jpg \p/ [19:02] \o/ [19:02] apachelogger: ^^ [19:02] i just needed list.currentIndex = index in the onEntered signal [19:02] them icons are gigantic :P [19:03] How come telepathy isn't in the system tray, I just noticed that.. [19:04] Linkmaster: that a conscious decision [19:04] Linkmaster: right click on the systray -> you can add it there [19:04] yofel: i think he means the contact list [19:04] er, in the settings [19:04] I was thinking about the widget [19:05] Tanks, I didn't think about that [19:05] *thanks [19:05] although, looking at http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/tp1.png there's enough space for a contact list in there [19:05] yofel: seen the shelf plasmoid? i'm thinking of adding the capibility to show contacts using that :P [19:06] it can show kopete's contacts [19:06] I just loaded up the telepathy systray icon. My first thoughts = WOW [19:07] :D [19:08] not bad in itself, but needing 3 clicks to get my contact list is a bit :/ [19:08] click on widget -> on contacts -> unfold the list [19:08] can someone show me a screenshot of the part where you can set your current status via the drop down list? [19:08] i haven't had the time to set up a build of tp on this machine [19:09] drop down lists? [19:09] *list? [19:10] in the contact list [19:10] there are like boxes which allow you to set your presence [19:11] http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/tp2.png ? [19:12] yes [19:12] looks like they added a commit of mine [19:12] or rather ... 2 of them :P [19:19] Who exactly is in charge of telepathy [19:21] packaging wise, Quintasan [19:21] Linkmaster: code wise, #kde-telepathy [19:23] apachelogger pong [19:24] sorry, i'm busy all the time :) [19:25] hm, alpha3 on thursday, we need to get packages into the archive... [19:25] sheytan: The black background appears with the app logo on the center with reflecting [19:25] background. [19:25] please define appears [19:25] apachelogger it just shows up. Like in banshee :) [19:27] gtg [19:27] * apachelogger has no idea what banshee does [19:30] gnome's idea of amarok [19:30] nvm [19:30] I'm tired [19:55] * sheytanDroid is now mobile [19:56] btw. can someone upload kdevelop-php and kdevelop-php-docs? === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [20:00] apachelogger will you present the player in berlin? [20:08] sheytanDroid: yes [20:08] jussi pong [20:08] sheytanDroid: also when you get a chance, start qmlviewer, it has some fancy startup animation, maybe you'd want something like that [20:08] yofel: do you have a spare wifi dongle by any chance? [20:09] apachelogger you can credit me in berlin. make me famous :D [20:09] that is the plan [20:10] http://i.imgur.com/woCNo.jpg [20:11] apachelogger: question, KDE uses KNotify for notifications right? [20:11] i saw something about another notification system long ago, can't remember what it was called [20:11] sure, why not [20:12] great. i kepp working on artwork. the current one is too big and looks boring. already have an idea but no time to implement [20:12] shadeslayer colibri? [20:13] yofel: where are the packages? [20:13] sheytanDroid: nah [20:13]